Love this scene. Still, poor Deep Throat. He was deeply troubled after killing the alien in Vietnam, so you can tell he really didn't want to do it again.
I think this event and the vietnam one are the same event. Both CSM and Deep Throat were liers who frequently fudged the truth. I think this is the alien he was talking about in E.B.E, just with the details mixed around.
this scene is a mere perfection. notice the moment just after the shots, the dark figure of the cigarette smoking man is positioned just right so it creates a reflection of the hand holding the gun. and while the gun is lowered it looks like this is his hand holding the gun. and you may bet this is not a coincidence nor it is by chance or random. oh my god! the perfect metaphor that it is! i am just loving it!
“I’m the liar, you’re the killer.” “Your lies have killed more men in a day than I have in a lifetime. I’ve never killed anybody.” “Maybe I’m *not* the liar.” I always loved this exchange. It is so telling of the two men in such a simple back and forth.
What really makes me nervous is that I’m aware that the real life people they pretend in this scene are the “bad guys “, but right now we are lacking individuals like this which actually increases the likelihood of an increasingly bigger conflict worldwide
If people like this exist today, we wouldn't know it, just as people in the X-Files didn't. As was said, they've changed and made history many times over, but no one will ever build monuments to them or even remember their names - because they act in absolute secrecy.
This was my favorite episode. It's the one that always stuck out in my mind more than any other (despite how much I love Scully and Mulder). I just thought what they did with the CSM's character was just brilliant. Here is a guy who spends the entire show in the shadows as the "bad guy", we never even learn his name(unless it's in episodes after Mulder leaves, I stopped watching at some point), as though that would humanize him too much. But then that's exactly what this episode does. It shows he's human & vulnerable just like everyone else & part of what leads him to become who he is, I was shocked to find my heart go out to him with his writing. That's actually what I remember most & the parts in b&w. I don't really remember this scene (it's been years) but it was heartbreaking in a different way. Need to watch this episode again! Sorry so long lol.
Thing is the show never makes it clear whether this event actually happened or not. Watch the video again - as soon as the smoking man finishes writing he gets the phone call about the alien ufo crash. It is sort-of implied that this the smoking man wrote this scene in his novel so it isn't entirely clear whether it took place or not.
The chapter where they give a little bit of an insight in the CSM's head, as any great villain deserves. Although the show had its blind spots and can be easily pidgeonholed, it still was a great conspiracy/semi sci-fi path builder, not even Fringe got to the same level with all the special effects.
The thing I never got was why was there no expectation for the E.T.'s people to come and get him? They don't do rescue missions? Their ships don't broadcast distress beacons?
Technically we never saw him kill anyone directly, besides MLK, and JFK....but Chris Carter points out that this episode is based on what The Lone Gunman pieced together about CSM. Later, we see CSM have a soft spot about the possible death of Mulder, Samantha, Teena Mulder, and later he cannot bring himself to kill his ex wife, Casandra Spender. Ultimately he did not even kill his son Jeffrey, instead submitting him to project experiments.
I really like this scene. All the little details are wrong (when and where Deep Throat killed the alien, other stuff) but overall being how things went down.
@@davelowets Its a fictional story obviously heavily inspired by the CSM's personal experiences as a spook. Both CSM and Deep Throat tell a similar story about the time Deep Throat executed an alien and was traumatized by it and I think that is far more than just coincidence.
There was a law stating that any country on the Security Council which captured an EBE was responsible for immediately executing it. So, they were required to kill the alien. Neither of them outranked the other, and both had reasons to not want to be the killer, so CSM decided to settle it with a coin toss.
There is so much about this show I still don't get. If the syndicate was allied with the grey aliens why did they kill them when they captured them. Was this ever explained?
Because it was captured by the US Government. There was a Secret UN Security Council rule that any country that captures an alien needs to kill it. The syndicates agreement with the alien colonists was kept secret from all governments including the US. So in the end they had to play along.
Hi, this is how i see it; the colonists (greys) want earth and to exterminate humanity. Their weapon is the black oil (sentient) and spread through specially polinated bees that cause a virus. They don't want a blood bath or a wreck of a planet. So if they can have the humans submit to their will? All the better. That happens through changing humans into hosts/aliens. Now it was a secret plan for a long time but our government found out about it after Roswell. With that a shadow group formed (syndicate) to deal wity this threat. This included Bill Mulder, CSM, deep throat etc. (OG group) They understood that for self preservation a deal should be struck with the colonists. That deal is that they'll help humanity submit to the will of the aliens through lies, tampering and subterfuge. There are terms on both sides though. On the syndicate's they get an alien fetus so they can create hybrids to survive in this new world. On the colonists? Each syndicate member has to give up a member of family as collateral to the aliens. Bill Mulder gives up Samantha, CSM gives up Cassandra his wife. The colonists will turn these family members like them and ensure their survival. Think of the syndicate group as elites with special privilages. Essentially making a deal with the devil. Sounds all neatly wrapped up right? Wrong each side is backstabbing the other. The colonists have no intentions of allowing humans to survive. They want the planet. We're in the way. So their secret weapon is the black oil that will infect and change us into aliens. The syndicate are unaware of this weapon but find out. Bill Mulder rebels and creates a project to prevent the colonists from suceeding. He secretly begins working on a vaccine. This vaccine will kill the black oil and the colonists plans. Then all the dark politics come into play. Other countries know and a sorta treaty is formed between the countries. The aliens are dangerous so if one is captured. That country must deal with it's extermination. Hence deep throat (USA) shooting it. I assume it's like the CIA and the colonists are pragmatic, ruthless and emotionless. The alien got caught so it must bear the consequences. And we must remember aliens are backstabbing the humans so basically the alien was compromised doing backstabby stuff. Russia is always rogue so it starts experimenting with the black oil and trying to beat the americans to a vaccine. Then add in all the government experiments to stop the aliens taking over (abducting humans, harvesting ovum etc to create alien hybrid clones) all designed to backstab the colonists's plans. And then the colonists realising that to win they need to infiltrate high levels of power to sabotage these human plans from the inside hence supersoldiers in the FBI and military. And changing abductees with special forms of the black oil when they abduct them e.g Billy Miles, Mulder. So all these games are going on within this alliance between humans and the colonists. And then like humans can be at odds with each other (Bill mulder and the syndicate) so can aliens. So there is a warring faction against colonisation (Rebels) and they have disfigured themselves to prevent the black oil infecting them. To prevent colonisation they have to undo the colonists work. So they get rid of the abductees (burning them e.g the syndicate's demise in S5 and Cassandra spender who was the only sucessful human/alien hybrid. The goal is taking over the planet for the aliens. The mythology is humans doing everything possible to prevent this and ensure survival. With an uneasy alliance struck over decades and each side doing whatever it takes to sabotage each other. Mulder is the prodigal son who uncovers the truth.
2:08 Interesting how he calls it "bill mulders project", if hes talking about the alien human hybrid plan that mean fox's dad is more involved than they say.
I've always wondered why Deep Throat says in an earlier episode that the alien craft he saw in Vietnam was shot down by Marines, yet here he says they couldn't shoot it down. So was he referring to 2 different craft on different occasions?
No, it's a sly reminder that these events aren't canon. What is canon is that CSM listened in on the lone gunmen telling Mulder and Scully this wild and often inaccurate version of CSM life. Interestingly, the fact that the Lone Gunmen were known to the CSM, and that he was going to personally murder them, gets completely lost! The overall plot of the show revolved around the government's decade long knowledge of, enabling of, and even surrender to of extra terrestrials. They wouldn't have a directive 1013 in the xfiles universe, it's B.S and the entire sequence is fantasy.
There was a little reported UFO sighting in Vietnam. Supposedly there were 2 “ enemy helicopters” which engaged several patrol boat rivers in a running gun battle of some length. They expended 100s of rounds of munitions on them and were unable to score a kill. An F-4 engaged one with an AIM-9 they alleged but again no damage. That same AIM-9 reappeared several hours later and struck an Australian frigate. Parts of the missile matched the serial numbers of the missile carried aloft by the F-4 and USAF records confirm the missile was fired, however the AIM-9 is a short range air to air missile how it stayed up for hours and miles from where it was corked off is unknown. There’s your connection, and there are plenty of marines who said they were part of it
Nicotine patch. In this episode he decides he wants a better life for himself. Quit his career, stop smoking and become a writer (his dream). Him taking the nicotine patch off in this scene is a symbolic way of showing the audience that these plans are now effectively cancelled.
this is prior to jfk, i believe. kennedy was shot in the early 60s, while this scene seems to be about roswell '47 incident. or i may be wrong. and this could be just a lie. nothing out of character for the cigarette smoking man. indeed - they were talking about vietnam war weren't they...? i don't know
Yeah, it's an odd thing for CSM to say because he's definitely killed people before this point. I wonder how much of CSM's recall of this event is real and how much of it is the "Jack Colquit adventure" he's been writing. He may be editing this scene in his mind to make himself look good in his book. It's probably the only way he can live with himself.
@@KneelB4Bacon I thought the whole episode was based on the information The Lone Gunmen had discovered. Remember, the episode cuts back to CSM listening to them telling Mulder all they have discovered. He’s intending to snipe them for it.
The nicotine patch part was foreshadowing , CSM going back to his old ways once he realizes that this ''chance'' of his to a normal life as a writer just went down the toilet.
1:13. In real life have you ever seen military do that rifle pose as a superior passes by? It’s the dumbest thing and it happens all the time in movies/tv.
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Love this scene. Still, poor Deep Throat. He was deeply troubled after killing the alien in Vietnam, so you can tell he really didn't want to do it again.
+Jay L Thus began his disillusionment with the Syndicate and his decision to help Mulder.
Lol these dudes would sacrifice a whole city for PR reasons they don't give a fuck
He not killed the alien it was the csm
@@jaycefelix7691 From a point of view, I guess. He forced Ronald to kill the alien through the coin toss.
I think this event and the vietnam one are the same event. Both CSM and Deep Throat were liers who frequently fudged the truth. I think this is the alien he was talking about in E.B.E, just with the details mixed around.
this scene is a mere perfection. notice the moment just after the shots, the dark figure of the cigarette smoking man is positioned just right so it creates a reflection of the hand holding the gun. and while the gun is lowered it looks like this is his hand holding the gun. and you may bet this is not a coincidence nor it is by chance or random.
oh my god! the perfect metaphor that it is! i am just loving it!
"You'll never believe what we just got for Christmas."
CSM: A Nintendo?
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A box of chocolates?
The writing in this scene alone surpasses what Disney considers "screenplay" nowadays.
Well it looks like ET won't be phoning home.
Deep Throat talked about this scene early in the series with Mulder, about having to kill an alien, it was cool they actually filmed it out!
“I’m the liar, you’re the killer.”
“Your lies have killed more men in a day than I have in a lifetime. I’ve never killed anybody.”
“Maybe I’m *not* the liar.”
I always loved this exchange. It is so telling of the two men in such a simple back and forth.
What really makes me nervous is that I’m aware that the real life people they pretend in this scene are the “bad guys “, but right now we are lacking individuals like this which actually increases the likelihood of an increasingly bigger conflict worldwide
CSM'S exist irl. They're just mormon
Very good point.
If people like this exist today, we wouldn't know it, just as people in the X-Files didn't. As was said, they've changed and made history many times over, but no one will ever build monuments to them or even remember their names - because they act in absolute secrecy.
this episode was pure perfection, shame they dragged the series main sorry to long and ran out of ideas :(
This was my favorite episode. It's the one that always stuck out in my mind more than any other (despite how much I love Scully and Mulder). I just thought what they did with the CSM's character was just brilliant. Here is a guy who spends the entire show in the shadows as the "bad guy", we never even learn his name(unless it's in episodes after Mulder leaves, I stopped watching at some point), as though that would humanize him too much. But then that's exactly what this episode does. It shows he's human & vulnerable just like everyone else & part of what leads him to become who he is, I was shocked to find my heart go out to him with his writing. That's actually what I remember most & the parts in b&w. I don't really remember this scene (it's been years) but it was heartbreaking in a different way. Need to watch this episode again! Sorry so long lol.
Thing is the show never makes it clear whether this event actually happened or not. Watch the video again - as soon as the smoking man finishes writing he gets the phone call about the alien ufo crash.
It is sort-of implied that this the smoking man wrote this scene in his novel so it isn't entirely clear whether it took place or not.
The chapter where they give a little bit of an insight in the CSM's head, as any great villain deserves. Although the show had its blind spots and can be easily pidgeonholed, it still was a great conspiracy/semi sci-fi path builder, not even Fringe got to the same level with all the special effects.
Fringe tied things up better...but of course stood on the shoulders of shows like The X Files)
They wrote him perfectly
Double headed quarter
Probably the best episode
The thing I never got was why was there no expectation for the E.T.'s people to come and get him? They don't do rescue missions? Their ships don't broadcast distress beacons?
Just a simple pilot. Alien colonization is more important
none of the other aliens liked him, he was lazy and boring
I have vivid memories of watching this episode with my fundamentalist Christian aunt when I was eleven.
What dose "Fundamentalist Christian aunt" have to do with anything?!
@@Ninja1live she was against the 'alien' postulate
2:31-2:42
I like how this one X-Files book is summarizing this scene and at that line it says right below:
This is, of course, a lie.
Technically we never saw him kill anyone directly, besides MLK, and JFK....but Chris Carter points out that this episode is based on what The Lone Gunman pieced together about CSM. Later, we see CSM have a soft spot about the possible death of Mulder, Samantha, Teena Mulder, and later he cannot bring himself to kill his ex wife, Casandra Spender. Ultimately he did not even kill his son Jeffrey, instead submitting him to project experiments.
Thats Real Security Council Resolution
Was this the alien Deep Throat refers to in season 1's "E.B.E."?
yep, this is the season 1 EBE
Season 1 was 1993, this scene is 1991
Cool theory
I really like this scene. All the little details are wrong (when and where Deep Throat killed the alien, other stuff) but overall being how things went down.
This is all fiction, NOTHING like this "went down" in American history anytime, anywhere. 😒
@@davelowets Its a fictional story obviously heavily inspired by the CSM's personal experiences as a spook. Both CSM and Deep Throat tell a similar story about the time Deep Throat executed an alien and was traumatized by it and I think that is far more than just coincidence.
why did CSM order deep throat to kill the Alien?
They flipped a coin he didn’t order him
There was a law stating that any country on the Security Council which captured an EBE was responsible for immediately executing it. So, they were required to kill the alien. Neither of them outranked the other, and both had reasons to not want to be the killer, so CSM decided to settle it with a coin toss.
There is so much about this show I still don't get. If the syndicate was allied with the grey aliens why did they kill them when they captured them. Was this ever explained?
They were allied with them out of fear but secretly plotting against them.
Maybe crashed or dying greys are considered fair game.
Because it was captured by the US Government. There was a Secret UN Security Council rule that any country that captures an alien needs to kill it. The syndicates agreement with the alien colonists was kept secret from all governments including the US. So in the end they had to play along.
Hi, this is how i see it; the colonists (greys) want earth and to exterminate humanity. Their weapon is the black oil (sentient) and spread through specially polinated bees that cause a virus. They don't want a blood bath or a wreck of a planet. So if they can have the humans submit to their will? All the better. That happens through changing humans into hosts/aliens.
Now it was a secret plan for a long time but our government found out about it after Roswell. With that a shadow group formed (syndicate) to deal wity this threat. This included Bill Mulder, CSM, deep throat etc. (OG group)
They understood that for self preservation a deal should be struck with the colonists. That deal is that they'll help humanity submit to the will of the aliens through lies, tampering and subterfuge. There are terms on both sides though. On the syndicate's they get an alien fetus so they can create hybrids to survive in this new world. On the colonists? Each syndicate member has to give up a member of family as collateral to the aliens. Bill Mulder gives up Samantha, CSM gives up Cassandra his wife. The colonists will turn these family members like them and ensure their survival. Think of the syndicate group as elites with special privilages. Essentially making a deal with the devil.
Sounds all neatly wrapped up right? Wrong each side is backstabbing the other. The colonists have no intentions of allowing humans to survive. They want the planet. We're in the way. So their secret weapon is the black oil that will infect and change us into aliens.
The syndicate are unaware of this weapon but find out. Bill Mulder rebels and creates a project to prevent the colonists from suceeding. He secretly begins working on a vaccine. This vaccine will kill the black oil and the colonists plans.
Then all the dark politics come into play. Other countries know and a sorta treaty is formed between the countries. The aliens are dangerous so if one is captured. That country must deal with it's extermination. Hence deep throat (USA) shooting it. I assume it's like the CIA and the colonists are pragmatic, ruthless and emotionless. The alien got caught so it must bear the consequences. And we must remember aliens are backstabbing the humans so basically the alien was compromised doing backstabby stuff. Russia is always rogue so it starts experimenting with the black oil and trying to beat the americans to a vaccine. Then add in all the government experiments to stop the aliens taking over (abducting humans, harvesting ovum etc to create alien hybrid clones) all designed to backstab the colonists's plans. And then the colonists realising that to win they need to infiltrate high levels of power to sabotage these human plans from the inside hence supersoldiers in the FBI and military. And changing abductees with special forms of the black oil when they abduct them e.g Billy Miles, Mulder.
So all these games are going on within this alliance between humans and the colonists. And then like humans can be at odds with each other (Bill mulder and the syndicate) so can aliens. So there is a warring faction against colonisation (Rebels) and they have disfigured themselves to prevent the black oil infecting them. To prevent colonisation they have to undo the colonists work. So they get rid of the abductees (burning them e.g the syndicate's demise in S5 and Cassandra spender who was the only sucessful human/alien hybrid.
The goal is taking over the planet for the aliens. The mythology is humans doing everything possible to prevent this and ensure survival. With an uneasy alliance struck over decades and each side doing whatever it takes to sabotage each other. Mulder is the prodigal son who uncovers the truth.
@@nicolasdantomio289 too bad you prob dont realize that in real life alien races are here
Interesting thought: this EBE has green blood, not black. Wonder if it's a different kind of alien than the one we know as the antagonist?
The black oil is only the blood in the grey creature life stage. At their mature form the black oil is most likely incorporated in the greys brain.
Singing >>> watching x files with no lights on I think the smokey man in this one
like Harrison Ford I'm getting Frantic?
His name is Raul Bloodsworth
I remember this superbly choerographed scene, but not the episode. Does anyone know the episode #?
I think it’s season 4, episode 7.
2:08 Interesting how he calls it "bill mulders project", if hes talking about the alien human hybrid plan that mean fox's dad is more involved than they say.
Bill Mulders project was the creation of a vaccine not the human hybrid
I've always wondered why Deep Throat says in an earlier episode that the alien craft he saw in Vietnam was shot down by Marines, yet here he says they couldn't shoot it down. So was he referring to 2 different craft on different occasions?
No, it's a sly reminder that these events aren't canon. What is canon is that CSM listened in on the lone gunmen telling Mulder and Scully this wild and often inaccurate version of CSM life. Interestingly, the fact that the Lone Gunmen were known to the CSM, and that he was going to personally murder them, gets completely lost!
The overall plot of the show revolved around the government's decade long knowledge of, enabling of, and even surrender to of extra terrestrials. They wouldn't have a directive 1013 in the xfiles universe, it's B.S and the entire sequence is fantasy.
Deep Throat claims to be a liar when needed.
There was a little reported UFO sighting in Vietnam. Supposedly there were 2 “ enemy helicopters” which engaged several patrol boat rivers in a running gun battle of some length. They expended 100s of rounds of munitions on them and were unable to score a kill. An F-4 engaged one with an AIM-9 they alleged but again no damage. That same AIM-9 reappeared several hours later and struck an Australian frigate. Parts of the missile matched the serial numbers of the missile carried aloft by the F-4 and USAF records confirm the missile was fired, however the AIM-9 is a short range air to air missile how it stayed up for hours and miles from where it was corked off is unknown. There’s your connection, and there are plenty of marines who said they were part of it
He was mocking the official report that stated the marines couldn't shoot it down.
Its called retcon
"Your Lies have killed more men in a day than I have killed in a lifetime".
BTW what is the disc that CSM pulls from his neck at 3.57?????
I think it's just a nicotine patch.
Nicotine patch.
In this episode he decides he wants a better life for himself. Quit his career, stop smoking and become a writer (his dream).
Him taking the nicotine patch off in this scene is a symbolic way of showing the audience that these plans are now effectively cancelled.
Bandage from shaving. You don't put nicotine patches on your neck.
....lucky me....
only on xfiles an alien can die.
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What kind of gun did Deep Throat use to change history? Wahi' Valleys
Cómo se llama la canción del fondo cuando le hablan al principio por teléfono, saben?
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Better watch Oliver Stone's Blockbuster JFK of 1991
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didn't csm kill jfk? how can he say he didn't kill anyone?
bombo atomico the point of the episode is to show how flexible the concept of “truth” is
this is prior to jfk, i believe.
kennedy was shot in the early 60s, while this scene seems to be about roswell '47 incident.
or i may be wrong. and this could be just a lie. nothing out of character for the cigarette smoking man.
indeed - they were talking about vietnam war weren't they...? i don't know
Kalin Aralov it literally tells you when this is hahaha (1991)
Yeah, it's an odd thing for CSM to say because he's definitely killed people before this point. I wonder how much of CSM's recall of this event is real and how much of it is the "Jack Colquit adventure" he's been writing. He may be editing this scene in his mind to make himself look good in his book. It's probably the only way he can live with himself.
@@KneelB4Bacon I thought the whole episode was based on the information The Lone Gunmen had discovered. Remember, the episode cuts back to CSM listening to them telling Mulder all they have discovered. He’s intending to snipe them for it.
What was that thing CSM pulled from his neck?
Something to do with him to help stop smoking I think
@@wilkeseyberry26 Yeah, it's a nicotine patch. It delivers nicotine directly through the skin.
@3:54 wtf did he pull out of his own neck?
It's a nicotine patch. CSM has been trying to quit smoking for years.
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So the ebe was breathing oxygen?🤔
Like they would just be talking about this shit openly in front of the guards.
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The nicotine patch part was foreshadowing , CSM going back to his old ways once he realizes that this ''chance'' of his to a normal life as a writer just went down the toilet.
@@arustyitalianhairyasscheek5305 yes but lighting up the Marlboro intensified the euphoria of watching the alien getting murdered
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1:13. In real life have you ever seen military do that rifle pose as a superior passes by? It’s the dumbest thing and it happens all the time in movies/tv.
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