1000% always spread damage with a slicer at the table, because it also means if anybody who isn't the slicer player starts to pop off, you also have an easier time using slicer to get rid of them. Slicer solves problem players. That's the deck.
Fun fact on how to play against Slicer: whoever controls a creature with Trample may assign the trample damage however they desire, meaning you are allowed to simply assign all the damage to a single creature that is blocking it rather than deal the excess to the defending player. However, thanks to Slicer's Doublestrike, if the defending creature(s) dies to the First Strike damage, the normal damage must still be dealt to the defending player.
I can answer that slicer question. People take more attacks from slicer per rotation in a 3 pod than a 4 pod. There is no Slicer decklist submitted btw
I have been waiting to see how you guys deal with slicer. Well worth the wait. You all had about the same reaction I did when first dealing with this insane card. It didn't help he got it on the front turn 1. Also didn't help that Dylan didn't read his cards lol. Good game none the less. Can't wait for the next video.
Shirt brothers!!! This game was so good, so funny! The smash cut to dylan and his list of incredibly reasonable events over his last few weeks was amazing He's so busy and works so hard, no wonder he missed that removal spell, he was in Hong Kong like a day before this video Thanks for the video guys!
"It's like a pulled pork sandwich you don't want but are forced to eat." I must just love barbeque that much don't think I have ever been given a pulled pork sandwich I didn't want.
Slicer is one of the decks where if you don’t know how it works it can run away with something, but as soon as someone at the table does it can’t do much. The entire game plan is commander damage with slicer. If he doesn’t stick, the deck literally can’t play the game. Keeping a cheap removal spell in the opening hand means the game is over for the slicer player.
Yeah, if you see a Slicer the correct play is just to mull to make sure you have a removal spell. Slicer falls apart if 2 players have removal in their opening hands.
??? We just replay slicer and you lost pace doing removal. Guaranteed you aren't mulling a good hand just so you can start with removal. Most players just bank on winning before slicer kills them
OooOoOoo boyyy....I just built three of these decks, and played with a few of them. Super stoked for this episode! Slicer notes: Focus on the Slicer player because otherwise they will take everyone out. If not, they'll have enough stax pieces out and it'll be more difficult to take them out. BUT, obviously keep an eye out for others because it creates the perfect situation for someone to cook something up quietly behind the curtains...
I play slicer a whole lot, you want everyone alive as long as possible so that he gets to attack more, and you want the person who went first or the person directly after you to die first cause they are ahead the most when it comes to slicer damage. Slicer is my baby
You need to keep everyone else other than the slicer player alive for as long as possible because you will just sometimes accidentally die to an additional equipment and having 3 decks with removal is better than 2
Personal nightmare for slicer is Winota, yuriko, minsc boo and Tevesh(pw in general goaded slicer never connects and kills off other things from attacking ) and worse of all, another slicer.
@@luizgmarin yep, hence why slicer doesn't have a great time against them. He'll never attack them barring on your turns. Other people are less willing to attack them because they need blockers so they don't die to slicer themselves. Worst feeling getting your car totaled by a hamster, and they draw 4+3x cards for life insurance on Boo.
At risk of dating myself you guys need to have a radio show/podcast where you talk about shit happening in the world. I swear I love listening to you two banter and ramble on. It's beautiful lol. So entertaining.
I remember when slicer was first released, I played in a pod where someone had the deck built and he was gushing about the deck. I then showed him I was playing Yuriko and the light in his eyes died just a bit haha
Oh, wait! I recognize the Gemstone Caverns coin! I gave that to you in Minneapolis! Glad to see it getting some usage, haha. Another game where it ends and I think "Do I want to make a Slicer deck?"
I've found that the best way to deal with Slicer is hold your hand out and firmly say "Slicer no slicing! Slicer no slicing! Slicer no slicing!" Not saying it's been very successful, but what else can you do?
There’s a Slicer deck in my meta currently. MF hits the board every turn 1 and unless you have turbo naus deck in the pod, it’s better to spread the damage or you’ll be helping the Slicer player to win the game.
I love slicer so much! Joe's "this deck is silly" is something I've said. And it's usually the table spreading the damage as best as possible till someone slaps a Paradise Mantle on it then everyone loves Slicer but the Slicer player.
I think if Dylan was probably the best deck to deal with the Slicer. Or really any deck with Jeska honestly. If you get down to a 1v1 against it, the Goad doesn't apply anymore, and you can just triple damage blow them out with their own commander if they're silly enough to give it to you
I heard of a tournament where a player conceded before attack step. only 2 players left. Slicer player had already boosted to lethal 1 shot with jitte. Now, slicer was forced to attack its owner because of a toxic concession.
Against a slicer player I always keep a bounce, free counter spell or something that takes him out. I learned against this deck early on to make him the arch enemy.
I personally play slicer and the main goal/OBJ in the deck is to deal much damage as possible to everyone without killing one person at a time, the more opponents you have slicer gets to attack. i personally recommend spreading the damage to one target player or just around the table so everyone can survive. but the best way to deal with slicer is by simple removal. hes really broke and often win with him turn 3-4. thank you for showing light to one of my favorite commanders
Wheeling the otherworldly light slayed me, loudest facepalm of my life 🤣but I mean Dylan did just come back from a round trip, no sleep flight from Tokyo so I can understand. Fun game all!3
I wondered why Joseph was the only person with a portrait in the thumbnail. Then I watched the video. After, all I can see is Joseph's smile in the thumbnail.
Everytime I have played against Slicer, we always negotiate on spreading the damage out. Everytime we take the alternate option, it always goes so wrong
The number one solution to Slicer in the current CEDH meta is player removal, specifically removing the Slicer player first. Everyone else should spread out the damage, and chump Slicer whenever possible. Slicer is always fast out of the gate between rituals and fast mana, so they should always be target number 1. I don't think I've ever played against a Slicer deck that didn't get their commander out on turn 1 or 2. Chump and spam targeted removal at Slicer until the Slicer player is dead, or until Slicer costs 21 mana to cast.
Amazing! I don't know how many times I've made a similar mistake--needing a card as an out and totally overlooking an option in my hand. Have you considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?
So one of the constituents of my gaming emporium (my discord server) has absolutely ludicrous deck-building chops, and of course has a nasty Slicer build. The way to deal with slicer is absolutely to get some protection and spread the damage out so you can all work together to deal with slicer The only exception is if another player is going to win the game before the slicer player. In this case, swing slicer at them as much as possible and then remove slicer. Typically past the first turn or two, if that, blockers aren’t gonna help against a strong slicer build. It’s assault suit on a body in the command zone with situational evasion. Dank dank rectangle.
worth noting that the sword of sinew and steel would have triggered of hitting dylan, allowing cam to blow up slicer and giving him one more turn, dont think it would have mattered but still Edit: nvm im dumb
That would'nt have happened since the Sword is still controlled by its owner (Joseph), who is the one getting that trigger. If the equipment says that the equipped creature gains "[insert triggered ability]", then it works as you said.
It's probably best to spread splicer damage as best as possible, but I don't think it matters much since his back side is only 3 mana and has haste, and transforms when it deals combat damage, so if they get the front side out early, they can probably just recast on the back side just as easily
As much love as slicer got, I've honestly been interested in Cyclonus. He seems like he could make for a really good doomsday commander, it'd be like Raffine, but just dimir.
Cam and Dylan! Big question. I'm getting into cEDH now with some friends thanks to your awesome videos and I'm deciding between Jeska/Tymna with or without the ad naus. I'm a big fan of mardu in most formats and also like versatile decks. Which would you say is your personal favorites for me to make and why? (If you prefer Jeska/Ishai let me know why too) Keep up the great content!
I've been trying to build a Slicer, Hired Muscle deck and don;t quite have all the cards from these cedh lists, but I was curious how you guys felt about flashfires and boiling seas in the list, too slow for cEDH?
The answer to stop Slicer is - (as cliche as it is) to remove the Slicer. As soon as Slicer is removed once, the commander tax is usually more than enough to get to the point where it's too slow to impact the game.
You should try to kill a single player, because Slicer benefits from as many combat phases as possible. For example, if the Slicer player draws cards for each attack because of an equipment, now they’re drawing less cards. And that’s a reason why shadowspear’s lifeline is beneficial on slicer, because it keeps other players alive regardless of overall dmg
I've been waiting for something else to the sleeves i want to order from you guys and these deckboxes are so perfect! But you only ship in the US... so that's a bummer, hopefully soon it will be available in the Netherlands too 🇳🇱 😅
Assault Suit on a creature. Spread the damage. Buddy played Slicer against my Food Chain deck. I was seated after him, so he proceeded to feed me Slicer turn after turn.
As a guy who thoroughly loves his Slicer - yeah the play is absolutely to keep everyone alive and dogpile the Slicer player into the dirt. That said, it doesn't normally play out that way from my experience. That robot boi is an absolute UNIT. Also vandalblast is the absolute bane of our decks. Like legit you'll send us to the stone ages
Playing against a Slicer in my pod like twice a week, spread damage around and keep everyone alive until someone can remove it until it's too expensive to play.
If everyone had a homeward path/Maze of ith slicer does nothing except possibly on Joe's turns. 🤷🏾♂️I've played against it a few times and it's insane how fast it can come back down even after removal.
This was perhaps the most comical episode to date! 🤣 Absolutely died when Dylan came on said "Drew two?! I already had one you stupid f@ck!"
I just got to that part and had to pause to laugh! 😂
Eyes still watering on that one 😂
Bring back Gay to Win shirts so I can be a Shirt Brother.
Yeah i burst laughing too
Dylan coming up with every excuse only to call himself a stupid fk later is such an edh vibe. Amazing game, loved the energy and interactions
1000% always spread damage with a slicer at the table, because it also means if anybody who isn't the slicer player starts to pop off, you also have an easier time using slicer to get rid of them. Slicer solves problem players. That's the deck.
Fun fact on how to play against Slicer: whoever controls a creature with Trample may assign the trample damage however they desire, meaning you are allowed to simply assign all the damage to a single creature that is blocking it rather than deal the excess to the defending player.
However, thanks to Slicer's Doublestrike, if the defending creature(s) dies to the First Strike damage, the normal damage must still be dealt to the defending player.
I found keeping everyone alive is important with Slicer, since when you kill 1 guy it becomes a guaranteed punch fest and nothing else
I agree!
Yea I feel the same, more players alive is more combats for slicer to attack and more damage he does.
@@benbarclay4239that's not what the other two guys said
Slicer player here, absolutely agreed. There are two things that screw me over: early spot removal and teamwork.
Slicer is an actual menace to society and I love it. My friend has the deck and it easily competes with our cedh pod
"Drew 2!? You already had one, you stupid fuck!" 😂😂😂
Such a funny video lol
Dylan reacting to discarding the removal for slicer is hilarious, love this!
I can answer that slicer question. People take more attacks from slicer per rotation in a 3 pod than a 4 pod.
There is no Slicer decklist submitted btw
This episode started with Cam saying a card was basically 2d and got funnier from there. Love this channel, loved this episode.
I have been waiting to see how you guys deal with slicer. Well worth the wait. You all had about the same reaction I did when first dealing with this insane card. It didn't help he got it on the front turn 1. Also didn't help that Dylan didn't read his cards lol. Good game none the less. Can't wait for the next video.
Shirt brothers!!! This game was so good, so funny!
The smash cut to dylan and his list of incredibly reasonable events over his last few weeks was amazing
He's so busy and works so hard, no wonder he missed that removal spell, he was in Hong Kong like a day before this video
Thanks for the video guys!
"It's like a pulled pork sandwich you don't want but are forced to eat." I must just love barbeque that much don't think I have ever been given a pulled pork sandwich I didn't want.
Slicer is one of the decks where if you don’t know how it works it can run away with something, but as soon as someone at the table does it can’t do much. The entire game plan is commander damage with slicer. If he doesn’t stick, the deck literally can’t play the game. Keeping a cheap removal spell in the opening hand means the game is over for the slicer player.
Ive been running magar with a heavy removal suite and lemme just say slicer does not like that deck
Yeah, if you see a Slicer the correct play is just to mull to make sure you have a removal spell. Slicer falls apart if 2 players have removal in their opening hands.
Cant agree more...Winota suffer the same way-ish
??? We just replay slicer and you lost pace doing removal. Guaranteed you aren't mulling a good hand just so you can start with removal. Most players just bank on winning before slicer kills them
We need a game 2 of this pod. It was just “try to kill slicer” all game
That's what most games with him in devolve into. He's nuts.
OooOoOoo boyyy....I just built three of these decks, and played with a few of them. Super stoked for this episode!
Slicer notes: Focus on the Slicer player because otherwise they will take everyone out. If not, they'll have enough stax pieces out and it'll be more difficult to take them out. BUT, obviously keep an eye out for others because it creates the perfect situation for someone to cook something up quietly behind the curtains...
So cEDH now has a giant robot running amok whacking at people left and right. I like it! Slicer be slicing!
I play slicer a whole lot, you want everyone alive as long as possible so that he gets to attack more, and you want the person who went first or the person directly after you to die first cause they are ahead the most when it comes to slicer damage. Slicer is my baby
The “I ALREADY HAD ONE YOU STUPID FUK” is so relatable, I stg lmao
I love seeing Slicer do so well. It’s my go to deck and has been for months now.
The only disappointment with this one is that I was stoked to see Tyler's Gandalf in action
This channel is always so entertaining. I find the screwups more entertaining than perfect gameplay tbh. Keep it up!
You need to keep everyone else other than the slicer player alive for as long as possible because you will just sometimes accidentally die to an additional equipment and having 3 decks with removal is better than 2
Bring back Joseph, love this guys attitude and banter.
Holy shit this is the best showcase of how busted slicer can be. Super fun episode!
This video made me laugh so much. Thank you both for all of the amazing content
I love playing slicer a lot, but when your metagame has a lot of yuriko players you feel like the worlds against you, since you can ninjutsu him
Personal nightmare for slicer is Winota, yuriko, minsc boo and Tevesh(pw in general goaded slicer never connects and kills off other things from attacking ) and worse of all, another slicer.
@@shonmatthew Goaded creatures cannot attack planeswalkers
@@luizgmarin yep, hence why slicer doesn't have a great time against them. He'll never attack them barring on your turns. Other people are less willing to attack them because they need blockers so they don't die to slicer themselves.
Worst feeling getting your car totaled by a hamster, and they draw 4+3x cards for life insurance on Boo.
At risk of dating myself you guys need to have a radio show/podcast where you talk about shit happening in the world. I swear I love listening to you two banter and ramble on. It's beautiful lol. So entertaining.
I remember when slicer was first released, I played in a pod where someone had the deck built and he was gushing about the deck. I then showed him I was playing Yuriko and the light in his eyes died just a bit haha
Saw Neto was at the table. Hadn’t heard of PTW but now a sub. Great content guys
Oh, wait! I recognize the Gemstone Caverns coin! I gave that to you in Minneapolis! Glad to see it getting some usage, haha.
Another game where it ends and I think "Do I want to make a Slicer deck?"
Great episode fellas!
I honest to God laughed out loud at "you already had one you stupid f***" that i rang the bell. Great episode!
Them deck boxes are sweet af.... leetttss goooo Joe
I've found that the best way to deal with Slicer is hold your hand out and firmly say "Slicer no slicing! Slicer no slicing! Slicer no slicing!" Not saying it's been very successful, but what else can you do?
Best way around Slicer is making sure everyone gets a slice from Slicer (or politic if you have all the answers 😉). Amazing episode, Great game🤘
Somewhere, out in the world, a Rog/Si deck yells in the distance
There’s a Slicer deck in my meta currently. MF hits the board every turn 1 and unless you have turbo naus deck in the pod, it’s better to spread the damage or you’ll be helping the Slicer player to win the game.
"Drew two, Drew two! I all ready had one in my hand you stupid f***" 😂😂😂😂 made my day!
I love slicer so much! Joe's "this deck is silly" is something I've said. And it's usually the table spreading the damage as best as possible till someone slaps a Paradise Mantle on it then everyone loves Slicer but the Slicer player.
Oh my goodness I was cackling this whole episode! Such a great pod!
I think if Dylan was probably the best deck to deal with the Slicer. Or really any deck with Jeska honestly. If you get down to a 1v1 against it, the Goad doesn't apply anymore, and you can just triple damage blow them out with their own commander if they're silly enough to give it to you
I heard of a tournament where a player conceded before attack step. only 2 players left. Slicer player had already boosted to lethal 1 shot with jitte. Now, slicer was forced to attack its owner because of a toxic concession.
slicers ability is a may so in 1v1 if its lethal on you they just dont give you slicer?
Against a slicer player I always keep a bounce, free counter spell or something that takes him out. I learned against this deck early on to make him the arch enemy.
I personally play slicer and the main goal/OBJ in the deck is to deal much damage as possible to everyone without killing one person at a time, the more opponents you have slicer gets to attack. i personally recommend spreading the damage to one target player or just around the table so everyone can survive. but the best way to deal with slicer is by simple removal. hes really broke and often win with him turn 3-4. thank you for showing light to one of my favorite commanders
Wheeling the otherworldly light slayed me, loudest facepalm of my life 🤣but I mean Dylan did just come back from a round trip, no sleep flight from Tokyo so I can understand. Fun game all!3
Those 76 hour no sleep gameplays are for reals lololol
I wondered why Joseph was the only person with a portrait in the thumbnail.
Then I watched the video. After, all I can see is Joseph's smile in the thumbnail.
Have heard of Slicer but first time seeing him in action! Wild 🤣
This was such a good episode
9:10 The worst part is Tyler was insistent on not having a disenchant XD
Everytime I have played against Slicer, we always negotiate on spreading the damage out. Everytime we take the alternate option, it always goes so wrong
Fucking love the endgame Slicer play pattern where you kill player 1, player 2 is forced to kill player 3, and then you kill player 2
The number one solution to Slicer in the current CEDH meta is player removal, specifically removing the Slicer player first. Everyone else should spread out the damage, and chump Slicer whenever possible. Slicer is always fast out of the gate between rituals and fast mana, so they should always be target number 1. I don't think I've ever played against a Slicer deck that didn't get their commander out on turn 1 or 2. Chump and spam targeted removal at Slicer until the Slicer player is dead, or until Slicer costs 21 mana to cast.
The new deck boxes can hold 69,420,000+ 2D cards. Infinite copies of 2D tokens, too.
Who knew creature removal was such a scarce commodity in cEDH?
Loved this episode, hilarious!
just bought the glow in the dark box! so excited!!
Damn. Rough night Dylan. This is why I don’t play at 4am. 😅
The discard of March rant was 10/10
I would love to see some pilot etali turbo in a soon to come video thanks, love the content!
Amazing! I don't know how many times I've made a similar mistake--needing a card as an out and totally overlooking an option in my hand. Have you considered making a best enchantress deck in cEDH video?
So one of the constituents of my gaming emporium (my discord server) has absolutely ludicrous deck-building chops, and of course has a nasty Slicer build. The way to deal with slicer is absolutely to get some protection and spread the damage out so you can all work together to deal with slicer
The only exception is if another player is going to win the game before the slicer player. In this case, swing slicer at them as much as possible and then remove slicer.
Typically past the first turn or two, if that, blockers aren’t gonna help against a strong slicer build. It’s assault suit on a body in the command zone with situational evasion. Dank dank rectangle.
The misplay commentary made this a comedic masterpiece.
worth noting that the sword of sinew and steel would have triggered of hitting dylan, allowing cam to blow up slicer and giving him one more turn, dont think it would have mattered but still
Edit: nvm im dumb
That would'nt have happened since the Sword is still controlled by its owner (Joseph), who is the one getting that trigger. If the equipment says that the equipped creature gains "[insert triggered ability]", then it works as you said.
I think cam can’t chose the target for the sword, although the player control slicer, they do not control the equipment attached to it
@@MultiEeeeeeeeee your so right, woops
Best line was, "drew 2??? You already had one" lololol
Dylan chirping himself was hilarious xD
Best "Begin" to-date!
Absolutely love dylan arguing with past dylan
Unrivaled! Let’s go!!!!!!!!❤
if you were recording a Commander game from an east PA warehouse at 4am, you too would forget to March Slicer
This was legit hilarious.
A robot smacked you guys around. Tee hee.
6:50 why did Cam take damage here? Slicer doesn't have trample. Mistake or am I missing something?
Shadowspear!
This game was hilarious, having the removal the whole time lol
It's probably best to spread splicer damage as best as possible, but I don't think it matters much since his back side is only 3 mana and has haste, and transforms when it deals combat damage, so if they get the front side out early, they can probably just recast on the back side just as easily
Bring back the REAL BEGIN
PROMISE ME YOU'LL NEVER FOLLOW A RULE AGAIN
🤮🫵
That intro was incredible 😂
Bro I love this episode 😂
As much love as slicer got, I've honestly been interested in Cyclonus. He seems like he could make for a really good doomsday commander, it'd be like Raffine, but just dimir.
God damn, I love Slicer.
Cam and Dylan! Big question. I'm getting into cEDH now with some friends thanks to your awesome videos and I'm deciding between Jeska/Tymna with or without the ad naus. I'm a big fan of mardu in most formats and also like versatile decks. Which would you say is your personal favorites for me to make and why? (If you prefer Jeska/Ishai let me know why too) Keep up the great content!
Love the episode! Wonder if there a decklist for Slicer?
It’s there now!
Yaaaay 😁😁🙌🙌
I've been trying to build a Slicer, Hired Muscle deck and don;t quite have all the cards from these cedh lists, but I was curious how you guys felt about flashfires and boiling seas in the list, too slow for cEDH?
The answer to stop Slicer is - (as cliche as it is) to remove the Slicer. As soon as Slicer is removed once, the commander tax is usually more than enough to get to the point where it's too slow to impact the game.
You should try to kill a single player, because Slicer benefits from as many combat phases as possible. For example, if the Slicer player draws cards for each attack because of an equipment, now they’re drawing less cards.
And that’s a reason why shadowspear’s lifeline is beneficial on slicer, because it keeps other players alive regardless of overall dmg
I've been waiting for something else to the sleeves i want to order from you guys and these deckboxes are so perfect! But you only ship in the US... so that's a bummer, hopefully soon it will be available in the Netherlands too 🇳🇱 😅
We do ship internationally!! Just put in your address!
Assault Suit on a creature. Spread the damage. Buddy played Slicer against my Food Chain deck. I was seated after him, so he proceeded to feed me Slicer turn after turn.
Ah yes, Slicer, my boi. So happy to see him commit war crimes
As a guy who thoroughly loves his Slicer - yeah the play is absolutely to keep everyone alive and dogpile the Slicer player into the dirt. That said, it doesn't normally play out that way from my experience. That robot boi is an absolute UNIT. Also vandalblast is the absolute bane of our decks. Like legit you'll send us to the stone ages
I think what you should do is attack slicer user, with slicer, always
Slicer was so funny to watch
Spreading out slicer damage means there's more players to swing with it. Four players is 4 attacks, 3 players is, surprise, 3 attacks
I didn't know youtubers still associated with blackneto
Playing against a Slicer in my pod like twice a week, spread damage around and keep everyone alive until someone can remove it until it's too expensive to play.
I don't play Slicer myself but I have been told by slicer players that spreading the damage is the way to go
Hey question for cedh. I'm sorry if this is a dumb/already asked question, but how are the Transmute cards competitively?
I found the best way to handle slicer is casting spells to get it off the battlefield
Dylan - I love you. I’ve been there so many times
Starting is good fo sho
If everyone had a homeward path/Maze of ith slicer does nothing except possibly on Joe's turns. 🤷🏾♂️I've played against it a few times and it's insane how fast it can come back down even after removal.
Haven't full read slicer but is it not sudo goad? Or just open opportunities as yall played?