2JZ-GE vs 2JZ-GTE: Which One is Really Better?
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- Опубликовано: 21 июл 2024
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There's pretty much no reason to choose a GE over a GTE other than cost. A GE engine is going to much cheaper to buy secondhand compared to a GTE. A turbo swapped GE has a lot of potential with the right modifications and if you're trying to save money a turbo GE is definitely the way to go.
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So, I seen you videos about the 2jz and videos about the 1uz. I have seen people argue about what is better or what they like better. What do you think???
Report these two for spamming, they do this everywhere.
One question, have you ever heard of the 2jz-FSE
2jz-ge= powa babey
2jz-gte= MORE POWA BABEY
I can hear this comment
MO POWA BABEH
220 hp GE is garbage. 320 gte hp is something enjoyable.
@@ACommenterOnRUclips i found a 2jz ge for 800 bucks...
@@itsgojoverfr ge motors are good just not as good as the gte, ge motors are like the 7m-gte
Excellent job explaining the main differences between these 2 engines. I personally have the 1uzfe in my 98' gs400, I'm very happy with my engine, it is very cool knowing my car (toyota aristo)actually was the 1st car not the supra to have the 2jzgte engine.
Thanks brother. I'm new to 2jz world and this was informative. Thank you
I Really want to learn more about the 2JZ-FSE honestly
I’ve read some articles with info relating to it but there’s always minimal info
I get it’s for low emissions and good fuel consumption and how it’s got a higher compression rate compared to the GE and GTE but I wanna know even more
So I can technically make my ge block handle 1000hp by getting an oil pan with a turbo drain fitting , and then getting a gte head ? Shit I’m going to build it now
GTE heads are part of the reason they are so expensive... so good luck
I've been looking for a gte head for the last year and the ones I've came across are around $1700 and up.
HKS has a built drift car with GE VVTI head. it ain’t that serious guys. smaller intake ports on ge but larger exhaust ports.
@@bigjdm5460 just turbo on the ge head I hear it flows better
@@robertbrown1933 buy new one from the dealer, it’s like $1500
I have a 92 sc300, same lower end as the 2jzgte making it very strong. Non vvti 2jzge now with arp head studs and a 1.5mm tomei headgasket and valve seals. Don’t assume you can slap a turbo on the early ge’s without some modifying. The stock ecu can only handle 7 psi and beyond that it cuts fuel and kills the car to protect itself. I’m running a 93 aristo ecu (2jzgt ecu) and my ge handles 14psi like no problem.
Don’t just buy a vvti 2j thinking you can throw 14 psi at it, do it right the first time.
You are correct. But people can buy a standalone set-up and control timing and fuel so much better. I'm using a crank trigger wheel and sensor on the front of my engine.
I did this and run mine at 15psi off the gate. Stock GE block. GTE head gasket to lower compression. Bigger injectors. Turbo, GE Turbo manifold, front facing GE intake manifold.
hey man, I also have a 92 sc300 non vvti and was wondering if you can give me an update of how yours is doing? and if you could give me tips on what to do to optimize the engines health and up its performance. Id really appreciate it man
The head casting even has “YAMAHA” cast into it.
Thank you
"Literally no proof." This joker has clearly never put hands on a 2jz and spouts off like he's an expert. Good looking out, Marek :)
@Wakanda Forever Toyota copied the 1J which was designed and made Yamaha. Atleast that's what blogs and 2J videos share.
@Wakanda Forever show cited research per 2jz being built by Yamaha for Toyota and ill admit im wrong.
@Wakanda Forever ill research it my self, ill cite it, then post it. Whether im right or wrong.
Could you also do a video about the third gen Toyota 2.0 3SGE vs Honda 2.0 K20A (both are 86x86mm engine)
So the engine blocks are the same. Correct same crank, same rods, different pistons for compression. And can buy forged pistons and rods. (Rebuild the short block) and swap over, heads, intake, ect. From the gte.. right?..
It's like the 4.8 and 5.3 ls engine block
How about a video on Toyota's diesel engines. D-4d vs GD6?
Watched a pretty interesting video where Goleby's pulls down a GE and says that the exhaust ports will obviously allow for much better flow and interestingly enough all of the GE ports are alot more flat in terms of angle to the combustion chamber also appearing to increase overall flow once a larger turbo is used.
Gs300 Gang❤️
I had a question about the engine. I had normal breathing or the same atmosphere. Will this engine break the timing belt? Will the piston with the valve prove it?
So i can take everything from gte to ge without any problems right ?
The both of them have the same block design and Endurance ?
What about the additional water jackets on the GTE? Will that make it a more reliable block than the GE?
A closer comparison would be the early GEs non vvti to the GTE as they are virtually the same minus the oil squirters, turbo and forward facing intake manifold, and head gasket. Everything else is virtually identical. The vvti GE is still a fantastic and reliable engine that can make good power sure it doesn't live up to the GTE or it's non vvti variant to higher boost and power outputs. They all have a purpose and an overall great engine. Majority of 2J owners won't have the cash to crank out 1000+ hp and be able to keep up with maintenance and repairs. 5-600 is plenty for daily street driving. I'm a proud owner of an SC non vvti GE and had the vvti is300. Both were stock never let me down. Planning on building the SC up a little but keep most of it's reliability
The head gasket? Isn't the whole head different?
Really good video. Thanks.
Well... That's a good video, BUT, you forgot to mention that the GE non VVTI head (earlier ones with Distributor) have the Biggest Intake and Exhaust ports among ALL of them. The GE vvti (the one with skinny rods and weak pistons) has significant smaller intake ports. The GE non vvti is the best flowing head, but since it gas a distributor nobody wants it. What I did on mine is I deleted the distributor, used a freeze plug to block the hole and bolted a plate on top. Then, I drilled the head on the intake side and welded a Cam Sensor bung from a GE vvti so I can use GTE cams. I currently have BC 272 GTE cams on my GE non Vvti head. The aftermarket support for GEs is growing. You can get pretty much the same as far as intake and exhaust manifolds for both online. A lot of drift cars are using either GE blocks or GE block/head. If you are going to build a 2jz, just get a GE for $250 from a junkyard instead of a GTE. (spend that extra $2700 in forged internals and cams). Regarding the compression ratio, if you use a stock GE (non vvti) bottom end, with a GTE head gasket, it will give you a 9.21:1 compression ratio which it isn't very "ideal". But if you mill the head a little bit, you will get 9.5:1 compression ratio which it is good for 650whp on pump gas an 900whp+ on e85 until your pistons fail (on a healthy engine they can survive 1000whp). Anyways, I like your channel and I hope to see more videos! Stay safe everyone!
good advice! I have a ge non vvti and I was thinking of just getting a built GE head with built internals...
I did exactly what you said as well in my 94 supra. Did the cam sensor and made my own distributor block off with a mill and welded a flange for the sensor. I built my bottom end with forged internals and a TT oil pump. did a bowl blend and gasket match on the head along with bc springs retainers and gsc s2 cams. I’m making 806whp and 790 ft lbs of torque on a BW s369sxe sooooo GE is just as capable. Headgames claimed with a port job it’s a better flowing head at one time too. Respect is deserved for the GE no doubt
Can I get a gte head and port out the exhaust ports on the heads and port the block for intake ports?
Glad you did this..
I’ve wanted to know myself
The GTE & GE are basically the same when it comes to endurance.
They different in the shape of the head and oil openings in the block.
Really? I was wondering what the difference was. But in still confused which one has more potentional
Janrey Siano of course the GTE is stronger!
The gte has more potential because of the aftermarket parts you can get for the gte.
@@robertbrown1933 it’s also got more durable pistons and rods I believe. In a lot of ways it’s easier to build because you don’t have to change internal parts, but if you were to swap gte pistons and such into a ge, theyd be able to handle about the same I think
Thanks A lot🙏🏼
Could you do a video on the Toyota 1KD-FTV and the Alfa Romeo GTA SA? (Both have 4 pistons)
Good video dude!
hello bro how are you i need your little help....
i have crown 1994 model with 2jz vvti 3 coil engine with 4 forwad 8wire gear ..
kindly tell me which diffrential is best for pick and fuel effeciant?
I noticed in the video the guy showed 2 different size rods. The skinny rod on the left was a ge rod without vvti? And the right bigger rod is for the ge and gte vvti set up on the later 2jz engines.
The difference between vvti ge and gte is the pistons on the later 2jz engines.
Wondering what's the longevity for the 2JZGE with a turbo kit install on a conservative tune.has anyone done it? Did you opt out to forge pistons too? To be honest I'll be happy with +350-450 HP.
Sideways performance does a lot of those builds (NA-T)
Do the oil squirters make that much of a difference?
The GE is still a great option for pushing decent power right? (400-600 wheel)?
Hey, question… on my just started quest.
I have a TE72 corolla 1980, and trying to budget an engine swap so presumably would be the 2JZ GE, but I was curious on finding information on the differences(if any) on the 2JZ-GE on a Lexus GS300/LS300/SC300 vs the US Supra or jdm 2JZ-GE?
I heard they are different and less power for the US Lexus versions but can’t find any information on what exactly is different besides certain emissions equipment.
If you could direct me if you have a video on this or a quick answer could help. Any information is appreciated thanks!!
So if you're not concerned about Raw speed is the GE still in a good dependable engine that'll go for 300,000 miles?
Yes.i have a is300 with 250,000 miles no major failures other than oil leaks. I took my engine out to do a complete service clean carbon buildup make it look pretty, but is running strong still
Gs 300 2j with 300,000 I’m taking the engine out to put into something else. It’s a million mile motor
My dad's is 300 has 360000 miles on it and he has not yet had to replace anything under the hood except the basics (oil change, oil filter change, wiper fluid, radiator fluid, etc.) My 280zx also has a I6 with 158000 miles and probably shouldn't be compared but is a alternative I6 made by Nissan/Datsun that is also known for lasting forever, it has tuning capability like a 2jz and in my opinion sounds just as good but I do have that owner bias so the 2j probably sounds better to others
My friend has a Lexus gs300 year 2002 2jzge and he has 620,000 miles on it and next time i see him,i will definitely take pictures to show you guys..strong engine blocks
He had it for 16 years,forgot to mention that
That was awesome!
So ge is good for modding for speed or was it the gte? Idk if I got them mixed up
Any information regarding the JDM 2JZ-FSE?
Economy 2jz
Ok… I get the difference… but with the ge can you rebuild the engine and upgrade those particular parts to make it as good or better than a gte???
This was what I was wondering lmao
Only difference really between GE and GTE block are oil squirters in the GTE and the oil pump is different. The GE from 97 and before actually use the same thick rods as the GTE. Word has been out that’s why you can’t find 2jzge blocks anymore. Vvti GE uses weaker rods but has the better head. Ge/gte vvti heads use the same aftermarket cams. Another reason GTE head is more preferred is because of the front facing intake manifold which makes maintenance much easier and it looks better to most. With a good tune and today’s fuel options the 2jzge NON vvti will make the same power if not better since it’s higher compression. When either block is built everyone runs higher compression anyway and use forged pistons and almost all builders block off the oil squirters when using aftermarket so in today’s day in age it’s pretty much worthless to start with a GTE block unless keeping all stock
Would you do the Toyota 4.0L V6 and the 5.7L V8 please? They have proven to be reliable and used alot in Toyota's line up.
Which 4.0 are you referring to?
The 1 UZ 4.0 is a V8
@@cinema6r845 Toyota's 4.0L v6 in the 2nd gen Tacoma. It is in the 4runner, fj, and was a base engine for the tundra at one time.
@@zzsuprazz that 4.0 v6 in the old Tacoma prerunner is an incredible motor
Damn, I have an is300 ge with vvti and I’m not trying to make 1000hp. Literally just trying to make at 300hp and I’d be good with it. How do I do that while it still being a good daily?
What's the first part someone looking to upgrade the 2jzGE engine buy? With a target horsepower of 350hp in mind?
04:33 My 2000 gs300(GCC) (Saudi Arabia) spec has this cooler and it doesn't come with any o2 sensors
Does the valve cover gasket from the 2jz Ge work on the 1jz Ge???
I have a rear main seal problem and the motor leaks oil. I have to top it off at least once a week. Such i replace the seal or motor swap. GE to a GTE...
Replace the leaking rear engine seal of course. 👍🏽
What’s the best thing about driving a yota?
Very informative just got my GS300 and thinking about boosting but on a budget. Still would love to purchase a GTE motor
Can You Compare VR38DETT vs 2JZGTE
Which engine is better in this comparison?
please do a 3sgte and a 3sge
Hey bro what do you know about the 1jz-fse ?
I don’t want to open up my 2jz ge I just want to bolt a turbo on it and do some casual drifting … what’s a safe power number ?
850HP
How can I add more HP to my Lexus gs300 2jz-ge
I got the gte vvti rebuilt in my 2001 es 300
Can you just take an oil pan from a gte and put it on a ge with the turbo oil drain?
Its way easier to drill your existing one
Yes, but the GE oil pans have either a front sump or rear sump.
Lexus sc300 has a rear sump like the non turbo and Supra. Lexus GS300 is front sump oil pan.
You just need to drill out the turbo return drain hole in the GE oil pans. The spot on the pans is already marked out. They have 2 small holes that you can tap for bolt threads or to add studs to also. 👍🏽
Really good video
Did they ever make a head with VVT-IL?
Nope, only the 2zz-ge got it
Solid info
Pulled the motor on my is300 and threw in GTE internals and it's the VVT-i. An NA-T wet dream 😩
Did someone say is300 😳🥴
I thought the 2jz gte and ge were the same just gte came with twin turbo stock. Are they still able to have the same max hp or is the gte better even with replacing both turbos?
The non turbo has weaker rods, so no
@@aaronsanchezz, only the later VVTI GE motors had weaker rods. Connecting rods for pre-VVTI motors were the same as the GTEs.
Love the video mate. But, is the 2JZ GE VVT-I block same as the Non VVT-I block?
I can tell you that nope! I juste tried to switch my 2jzge vvti from a is300 to a non vvti because I had horrendous rod knock and the block is not the same! The oil pan is not at the same place. I was able to swap the head tho.
@@louifnfs Did you changed the con rods and pistons? I mean, the con rods and pistons from the VVTI to the non VVTI?
Rifaiat Raisa I kept the con and rods from the non vvti because they are the stronger ones from a GTE.
@@louifnfs blocks are still iron that's what matters but yea the wish they had the same pan setup but they differ ones rear sump and other is front
wait, non vvti ge engie have gte rods?
Nice Video!!
Different is compression ratio for turbo and NA are different.
Only because of the actual piston tops and head gasket. Only difference.
Hi can you make a video on suzuki engines since no one know about them. Are they any good.
Suzuki’s don’t have much of a market in the US.
2jzGe VVTI engine ... target 350hp.. what's the parts wishlist n tune
Do a video on the sr20
Junk motor yw
Why doesn't a GE have that unique exhaust note the GTE or 2JZ is known for, even after turbocharging? I've watched dozens of examples but not 1 NA-T sounds like it should.
Thank u bro 👍👌
Looking at buying a 2jz ge soarer as my first car, this really helps thanks
Exact reason why I’m On this video. Find one for 9k Nd now I’m tempted
@@juanfermin289 same, looking at one for 7k
Awesome!
I unfortunately don’t see any replies on this thread. I was hoping to find out iff the ge is good for 450 horse or so naturally aspirated. I’d prefer big hp out of a NA engine. There’s a reason that Porsche does it.
Does the 2006 gs300 have a 2jz?
What’s the most you guys heard a 2jz ge hp get without a turbo but with other mods and tunes of course.
500hp
@@anthonylagan9486 with a butt tun of nos?
how much maximum Horsepower GE can Handle NA/T setup ???
i heard 450whp 500whpish. but the stock manual trans can’t hold anything north of 400whp if that. That’s we are talking about GE VVTI. Pistons and connecting rods are inferior. crank and block is same as GTE. Just get GTE rods and pistons and a couple mods to ur oiling system and yea.
I have 2000 Lexus GS300 and it has 2JZ-GE. It is a good motor. Very dependable. 👍
Have the the same bro very dependable I honestly wanna build it up but im new to this
You gonna gimmie that motor, or what?
2jz ge block is bit better in some aspects like the non oil squiters when on high hp levels the gte guys actually removed the oil squiters. If it's a non drysump engine
But ive also heard of people adding oil squirters to the ge block.... whats up with that?
@@aaronsanchezzit can be done just extra machine work
a bit more info and gonna be nice
My 02 Lexus GS300 has the 2JZ-GE engine, It's already got 300K miles and still running strong, The 2JZ- GE is the most reliable engine ever made.
Im thinking about buying a 2JZGE head and then try to find a block for it any tips? Im a noob
Its has VVTI
Which engine more better 1jz GTE or 2jz GE ?
A 1jz alll day....
Please do a video on Ford Modular V8s.
Great presentation great information 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Is 2JZA80 is a GE?
Why isn't this channel blowing up!?!?!
You have no idea how any arguments I've won thanx to the info in your videos. Keep it going. We need REAL data and stats. No more "my buddy had one and told me..." bullshit.
I wish Toyota would do an expensive well produced documentary on the supra and 2jz. Such an amazing time for cars then
Cuz they dont want you to know its totally based on the 1jz that was actually designed by YAMAHA not Toyota...
@@aaronsanchezz the head is, not the entire engine
Where can I buy at gte engine
Can u make a video on the 1jzgte none vvti?? 2 much 2jzgte
I looked up on the internet and i found out that the 2jz ge can handle more psi.
That is what the website said :/.
If that's the case then why have a gte. No point... unless if they are the same, gte just have a sequential twin turbo?? But the guy said gte cools better tho.
The ge have weaker internals tho
Can you please do 7mge and 7mgte
The oil pressure sucks and breaks head gasket easily 3.0 and under 300hp
My neighbor is selling a 1997 Toyota Supra but it’s non turbo so I’m still tryna decide if i should make that purchase :/
Get it anything with Supra is super how much he wants
Well they are worth 30k sooooo
Great head flows more I'm only 20 seconds in to this video.. gt dizzy bottom end with gte head best ...how do u not know this
Fun fact...the ge head makes more power at the same boost levels than the gte with the same set up
More 2jz videos pls
2JZ GTE Is My Dream Engine For My 1995 Supra RZ
Just turbo the ge
Doesn't the rz come with that engine?
Did you just say the ge oil pump is better??
GTE pump is better.
Ive got a non vvti 2jz ge with 220hp. Dont underestimate a NA shits really fast.
Did Yamaha help Toyota with the 4age
yes.
Yes.
Yes yamaha makes a lot of engines heads for others autos too..
2jZ engine how much kilometre 1 litre
Are head swaps possible?
he said the heads are not interchangable
Yes, you can head swap JZ heads on the engines. People have put GTE heads on GE blocks to have their own GTE engine.
Look it up. 👍🏽
Yes
Does the connecting rod on the 2jzge vvti have enough strength to handle minimal boost under 450whp
That’s what I wanna know I don’t want to open up my GE but how much power can I make safely?
Have one sittin in a gs300 in Wisconsin if anybody needs one
GE is better, because you can put itbs on it and it sounds absolutely menacing.
Cuz engines are all about the sound haha
@@aaronsanchezz yes they are. Yes they absolutely fucking are. Go drive an electric car if you object.