EXPLAINED - Why is 30 FPS (Frames Per Second) SMOOTHER on Consoles than PCs?
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- With the recent announcement that Assetto Corsa Competizione will only support 30 Frames Per Second, many PC players have instantly dismissed it as being not enough to provide a good experience, while many console players insist that 30 FPS games play just fine.
There's no argument that in most cases, 30FPS is almost unplayable by today's standards on a PC, so why is it that lower frame rates seem smoother on consoles than PCs.
In today's video, I explain why!
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Im playing rdr 2 on ps4, 30fps but its feel smooth. When i play on my pc with 30fps its sucks af, even motion blur is on
That's because on PC the frame should be a little above 30 fps like 33/35 fps to have the same experience..or lock on 30 fps the frame but in this case you have to set the monitor on 30Hz.
What if you play with Controller on pc?
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Facts
Bcuz pc likes 60+ 30 fps suks
I see JESUS every time I crash into a wall on Assetto Corsa!
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I know, right! It gets etched into your gosh darned eyelids after a while! =)
I see Jesus in VR while playing Dirt Rally - he looks a lot like that tree .. AHHH!
It’s frame pacing that makes smoothing but it’s not anything like 60+
trash stays trash!
@@MadLustEnvy
also placing more stationary objects on the screen gives the illusion of moving fast. do this in movies during car chases
Your eyes can’t see difference more than 60
frenchplan12 fr . Well that's not true either. However, there is a diminishing return.
@@arthusmarande8885 yes they can
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After searching far and wide, I've realized that your TV makes a HUGE difference in how good 30 fps looks (it's not the game itself). On my LG C2 OLED, although it's a great TV, it's able to so quickly turn pixels on and off that 30 fps games look pretty bad on it when in Game Mode... this is because there is no Motion Interpolation (aka. motion smoothing) so it results in a very stuttery image when looking at far away scenery / objects when panning the camera. At least for me, the solution was changing to a different mode like "Cinema mode" and turning off ALM (auto low latency mode on my PS5 settings) and THEN finally you can turn on Motion Interpolation in the TV picture settings under "Clarity". I set mine manually (the de-judder setting to 5 out of a max of 10) and now 30 fps looks really good and smooth... The downside, is that when not in Game Mode like this the latency for when you press a button on the controller to when your character moves on screen is WAY higher than in Game Mode. Still, it's playable (at around 80 ms now as opposed to 15 ms in Game Mode) and it's worth it for 30 fps modes otherwise it looks just awful. Motion Blur is also an absolute MUST when playing in 30 fps modes because it smooths out the image. Unfortunately, 60 fps (which is usually better) is not always possible OR you may want higher graphical fidelity, so this what I found to work when at 30 fps.
That's right. I have a PS4 pro and I'm playing on Philips TV. I use HDMI PC mode & game mode (in TV) while gaming because then the TV is working like a monitor..I mean it use pixel to display the image. No over sharpness or other things. But you know in TVs theres a smooth image processing option & 100+Hz clear image processing..But in my TV it only allows me to turn it on when I change my HDMI type to Video/Cinema. I have changed it and played for some time. It changes 30fps to almost 60fps. But it's not constant. Because the process is like almost in real time processing the image displaying by the TV and at the same time TV have to process it further for 60fps output. But if the game is slow..not so fast moving actions..then most of the time it works pretty well almost feels like 60fps That's really awesome 😐. But the thing is in hdmi video type mode the game looks sharpy and horrible. So that's why I always use HDMI PC mode with game mode for gaming 😊
People buying 60 fps with a 300-500 dollar console will cause them not to buy a PC. This angers the PC lobby and they put pressure on the gaming companies. Manufacturers cant sell graphic cards, rams and processors and go bankrupt. They tell game makers, don't give 60 fps to console buyers, people won't buy parts from us. That's why no console will ever play all its games at 60 fps. Not allowed. The keyboard and mouse can be used. This is not allowed either. They want people to go and buy a PC for 1500 dollars.
Nice video man, in the end it is what it is. For me I'm just happy to be able to play such a good simulator on my old OG PS4. I hope and expect a patch to 60 for the PS5 and that's not far away. It'll be locked hard at 30 at least and that's something you generally don't get on PCs
Honestly, I hate the people that are cancelling there pre order by just hearing that its gonna be at 30fps
@@goosegoose4656 Bad luck for them I guess. I'll be lapping Bathurst at 30 frames to keep me busy while Sony build my PS5. :) I'll see you out there
Almost all games on pc have fps caps. And ofcourse you can always use Nvidia control panel, or Nvidia inspector to do that and more even.
Infact you can even control the LODs of the game through Nvidia inspector, to reduce it beyond the games limits or enhance it beyond the games limits.
Would love to see the video regarding frame rates. Keep up the good work Will 👍
You always have a very thorough delivery of information. Very well put together and we'll explained.
Dropping frame rates or playing on 30fps is no big deal for me, i gotten used to playing games at a low graphics low fps for years unless it is an online game
30fps on consoles is not very smooth in WRC, hopefully 30fps in ACC will be better lol.
No...it is not. I have WRC 7 on my PS4 Pro and I have WRC 7 & 8 on PC and the PS4 version is atrocious. Personally, I'm a huge fan of the Dirt games and just can't play them on my PS4 after playing Dirt 4 and Dirt Rally 2.0 on my PC. Both games just don't feel as responsive on the PS4.
Agreed. I found WRC 8 unplayable on my PS4. DR2 and GTS at 60FPS with some drops, were much better.
First videol i've seen from someone who understands frame times and how they work. I think you should make a video on this topic Will. It's super important and very easy to cap your frame rate.
Spot on Will, people need some info on this topic, without the platform fanboy stuff in the way. "Smoothness" has much much more involved in it than just pure FPS
This is really cool - I've always wondered why 30fps was so smooth on XBOX/PS4.
it's not 😂
Minecraft looks WAY better on a PS4 at 60 frames than 150 on a PC. I have both.. I play it on the ps4
TheRandyPuff relax, I use 1440p 144hz, consoles do look smooth for 30 FPS on AAA games.
@@thomassmith4999 thats gotta be some BS
@@snozbaries7652 Try it!, Bedrock is a little better on Windows but still not as nice as on PS4. The Java edition on PC is just a bad joke
You're partially right. But consoles uses their own techniques to make 30FPS smoother. The mainly one is encapsulate the 30FPS equally on 60Hz. So let's in a very rude way that each 2Hz, 1 frame is inputed. If you not use any sync method, 30FPS will looks like a hell because every resfresh on monitor you will have the 30FPS distributed in a different way. Get it?
But the good news is that everyone can do something similar on PC using Scanline x/2 on RTSS and it works very well. It will cap the FPS on 30 in a very consistent way and will encapsulate properly the 30FPS between 60Hz panel. Some games have Half Sync option on settings menu too, but it creates too much input lag in my opinion and it's very inconsistent too. You will need to cap FPS on RTSS anyway since it uses hardware to cap fps and software is much more capable to keep it stable on 30FPS (you will have 1ms more input lag on RTSS cap, which is nothing). So Scanline x/2 is a better solution. Even better than console solution. See it from yourself. Most GPU and monitors need a value between -30 to -80 on Scanline sync. It will depends on GPU usage and how much screen lines the monitor have to hidden screen tearing.
Thank you sooo much dude 😊
its frame timing that makes it feel "smooth" on a console. usually they lock their games to 30fps because that is exactly half the refresh rate of the 60hz tv's most people are using with their console.
(so the screen displays each frame exactly twice which makes for tight frame timing) if a game was running at say 50fps then the screen is displaying 1.5 frames (not accurate) before the console is ready with the next rendered frame. this mistiming is what causes screen tear (the screen has drawn half a frame and the console gives it another to display so it stops displaying a frame halfway through to start displaying the next frame received from the console and you see the telltale cut where the screen only displayed half a frame.
if a game has a locked in constant framerate of 30fps it will "feel" smoother than a game that has framerates jumping all over the place (even if the game can hit 60fps at some points)
that jumping around of framerates (say dipping from 60 to 40) is what makes a game feel jittery. (most pc players will be able to notice a dip from 60fps to 55......... it's only a dip of 5fps but the inconsistent frame timing this causes makes the game feel jittery.
however 30fps on a console is by no stretch of the imagination smooth (it's just consistently unsmooth so your brain "gets used to it" ) , it's what they are capable of and thats fine, but playing forza on my xbone simply isn't as smooth an experience as playing it on my PC, it feels ok when playing on the console but once you switch to PC the difference is night and day (because my pc can lock in frame rates of 120fps to match my 120hz screen. (if I used my console on this screen the screen would be displaying each frame rendered by the console 4 times before the console is ready with the next frame
ideally you want your GPU to be rendering at the exact same rate as your screens refresh rate (or exact divisions of the refresh rate).. it's why Vsync exists and why you should ALWAYS have it turned on in every game (to sync the FPS the gpu is rendering to the vertical refresh rate of your screen) that way the exact millisecond the GPU is done rendering a frame the screen has just finished displaying the last frame and is ready to display the next, this will give the smoothest experience possible on whichever screen you are using. (a 120hz screen was designed to display 120 fps so give it exactly that)
a lot of pc players will have screens capable of 120-240hz so 30fps on these screens is obviously gonna feel worse than if you played the same title on a 60hz screen (the 120hz is displaying each frame 4 times and the 240hz is displaying each frame 8 times so of course it's gonna feel like a slideshow because on these screens it is)
think of slow motion photography, you record the images at 1000fps and display it back on a screen going at 60fps which slows everything down
the same is happening to a degree (not as extreme of course) when you run a game at 30fps on a 60hz screen (it's stretching the frame times by a factor of 2) it feels smoother on a pc which is truly doing 60 fps for the simple fact that it is literally smoother ,as you say when you play on console your brain fools you into thinking it's smoother than it is (it is consistently bad so doesn't feel AS bad)
I wouldn't play any racing sim at 30fps even if you paid me :) (for arcade stuff like forza etc it's fine tho) so tbh I wouldn't touch ACC on console with a barge pole
Well said. You obviously weren't paid off by the ACC game devs like this guy was.
You just put it perfectly bro...
@Lord Milo , sure sure, all the internet commenters love saying people are shills.
@MostlyRandom . Funny as Forza is 60fps.
@@robertt9342 yeah but on my PC it is running at 120 (as i said) so the difference is still night and day.
I only mentioned forza because it is the only game i can play on both xbox and pc
I’m in Australia and have pre ordered. I don’t think the launch is global, so I’m tipping it will be available to me at midnight. I’ll stream it so all of you can have a look.
Yes. Consistent 30 Fps is better then the framerate jumping all over. 30 Fps is still horrible :p And as low input lag as possible is a must for most games, so any fancy features of the TV would likely have to be disabled. There are some PC games that are locked to 30 FPS as well. Console ports, and they always irritate me a lot when I play them. But I don't see them having ACC running at 60 fps without making it look horrible. It's rather demanding.
yeah old gta games have a 25 cap but can be modded to run a stable 30[otherwise car handling is messed up and you may die from climbing or falling]. ITs typical with old physics engines on old games. the only one I know of thats still relevant is skyrim being locked at 60 for physics on pc
Nobody noticed that the car in the video was creeping forward really slow?
Holy shit how did you notice that
People are getting crazy about FPS , and fail to understand that if all working good, minimum input lag, no slow downs, 30 FPS is they need.
No way, even if you take input lag and inconsistent framerates out of the equation, 60 fps, and 120 fps even more are so much more fluid looking.
Spoiler alert : it's not fucking smoother. It's placebo effect at best or you're just downright being in denial of a fact.
Andor Marcel, it's smoother. It's not a placebo effect. I compared on 4 different displays i can tell that between console and pc at 30fps, console is smoother. pc is still superior tho
Very nicely explained mister!
Nice video, but there is a big difference in smoothness also on TV.
For example. I play MotoGP 20 on xbox X on my new 4K TV. You have image option in the game to play it on 1080p 60fps or 4K 30fps. And man.. that’s day and night difference. 30fps are almost unplayable.
I’m pretty good in this game so i tried little experiment. I played with the same bike on a same track on 30fps, then on 60fps.. At 60fps i had 2 secs faster laptimes!
Also there is a really small difference in graphics between 4K and 1080p. 4K image with 30fps tear up and Its not smooth so image quality looks worse than 1080p.
It doesnt make sense why they put 4K 30 fps image into the racing games. Its unplayable.
This is true. Higher framerate is ALWAYS better.
....and yet some alien player with a controller will still come along one day, and beat you at 30fps all the same and say, "meh.."
It's true, but he's just saying that 30fps is smoother on console. I've seen 30fps on console and pc and console was soo much smoother.
Informative as usual Will. 😊
Thank you, good explaination!
I can't stand to play under 60 fps on a pc, because its laggy for me (mostly i play with capped 144 fps on a 144hz monitor), but when i play on my ps4, the 30 fps are good enough and feel smoother, than 60fps on my pc. Thank God, because i dont want to throw my ps4 away. 😊👍
Interesting, must be brain magic, our brains are weird.
Saw types of arguments like this. A game being 30 FPS or 60 FPS doesn't matter to me. I play both and honestly struggle to feel a difference. Heard many people complain that backwards compatible games on Xbox Series X and PS5 aren't all 60 FPS while I'm over here just happy that I get to keep on playing my games from the older console while getting a chance to play upcoming games.
Very interesting. I've been curious about this for a long time. Consoles look soooo much better at 30 fps than PC's do. I'm sure ACC will be fine. Honestly, I'm more worried about how many people will actually play it.
as long as the game is well optimsed, it's no biggy. I believe in this case (ACC) the issue was making sure the complex physics modeling was retained, and so I guess sacrifices were made elsewhere. Most console gamers will just be grateful it exists, and there is the small case of the next gen just around the corner anyway. As an older gamer who had to suffer modified PAL games in the UK running at 25 fps for years, I feel the pain, but boy did I appreciate the NTSC 30 fps version!
Small note: check out Digital Foundry for more in depth look at frame rates on console with different games.
Great video Will, well explained!
The TV I use on my sim rig doesn't even support 60fps. I can hit it with that much, but it'll only show every second frame so I don't care at all.
@Das Raffnix . All tvs support 60fps, Sounds like your TV is broken.
Nicely explained!
30fps makes me sick
Well 30 fps makes me feels better
@@calvin-marvellous why yak lol, 30 fps makes me feel dizzy
@@radalz3714 im low end gamer😭
But it doesn't matter cause i play anno 1800 at 10-19 fps but i can still feels the gameplay and the sensation...
Same with me. After five minutes I get this pain behind my eyes and feel like I need a bucket then I'm pretty much screwed for the next few hours. I can't say I've ever seen a "smooth" 30fps.
@SKEKMAL Sadly mate, always has, always will. For me anyway, in case your comment wasn't intended for me.
I am on XB1X. my setup is a 42inch monitor placed aprx 88cm from my eyes. 30fps is a nightmare. Specially for us who drives with helmet / dash camera view . Tried WRC8 and got such motion sickness from the staggering i had to quit playing that game. Its OK from 3d person perspektiv but of i wanted 3d pers. View i could just play Mario Kart on my old Nintendo😞We’ll have to wait and see...
The maker of this trash video isn't concerned about reality. He's been paid by kunos. The world knows 30fps racing games on consoles suck. This guy is just trying to brainwash people on behalf of the developers of ACC.
Lmao! I even paid for ACC myself. I have no relationship with them.
I noticed this thing few years ago, to have the same feeling of smoothness on PC you should lock the frame a little above 30 fps, like 33/35 fps, this avoid stuttering as well. Another solution is to set to 30Hz the monitor, in this way you can lock the frame on 30 fps and get the same console's experience. You can't really have the frame lock to 30 and refresh rate on 60Hz on PC, because it increase the latency, which generate stuttering ruining the smoothnes of the game, that's doesn't exist on console because developers optimizated it. So, or you set a frame a little above 30 or just set 30Hz instead 60Hz. That's it.
U sure about this ? Any more tips ?
Until now i was locking to 30fps + vsync enable within the game, and i set low latency modw to ultra in nvidia cp. Will try with 33/35 now like u said
It does happen on consoles. It does stutter.
@@drejzo you can try rtss 30 fps lock and keep the low latency mode at on
But my monitor doesn't support 30hz
Nice Vid, 30fps is not smoother I get what you say and it is true ref the tech side but once you jump on a rig and then back on the console it makes you sick! Console looks and plays like utter trash !!! Additionally, motion blur is horrible !!
Great video & explanation
I lke high Fps but sometimes i realy enjoy the Cinematic like 30fps but with a good Motion blur. Motionblur is the key for nice 30fps! Best example to show a great 30 fps is "Driveclub". Looks so fantastic, like CGI motion sometimes and its 30fps.
Be great to see some more tech videos. Your over clocking videos were a massive help to me in the past. 👍
Frame rate on games is less about "looking smooth" and more about information update.
Go into a high speed corner and watch your brake marker approaching. Each frame at 30fps may be 1 meter of track while at 60 fps it's 0.5 meter of track. That's a big difference in timing your braking or avoiding a collision. That's the real advantage of higher frame rate. It's the information refresh rate that give you the advantage and better connection with the road & vehicle
What you said about consistent framerates being the most important thing was correct 5 or 7 years ago but not really relevant anymore thanks to refresh-rate-to-framerate sync technologies like Gsync and Freesync. A fluctuating framerate between, let's say, 76 and 138 fps using Gsync/Freesync blows a consistent 60 fps away due to the refresh rate always perfectly matching the framerate (thanks to Gsync/Freesync). What you say is indeed true but only before those technologies existed or for people today who still don't have monitors with that technology.
Yes, these people need to buy a new display with VRR (variable refresh rate) support. I play some games at 30fps on my PC using a VRR display, and they are smooth as Console versions.
30fps + 120Hz (or more) + FreeSync (w/LFC support) = Console smoothness.
Not everyone has the money to spend $1,000 for a TV or gaming monitor that supports variable refresh rate So what you just said is irrelevant I still have my beautiful Samsung 1080p HDR 120 Hz TV But It doesn't support VRR 😢 And I have my Xbox One X and PS4 Pro connected to it and it has really made a big difference how smooth it is 😉👍
@@HeyCMDR1991YT If everyone has money to buy a Console today (PS5/XSX), has money to a Monitor/TV too.
I play Dirt Rally 2.0 in VR. Playing it forced to 45fps is a much smoother experience and feels great, as a bonus it means i can play it with higher graphics. Pc2 is the oppisite. force that to 45 and its a mess and feels terrible. I've read in forums people say Dirt rally is optimized well so it feels like it's running at 90fps.
i cant play dirt rally 2.0 at anything other than a locked 90 personally. but i remember i used to play dirt rally 1 in vr at 45 a lot. but it was night and day when i had the hardware to push 90. i kind of miss og dirt rally now. im addicted to DR2.0 and have not played the original in a while. i did play it at max settings locked 90fps and up to 200 percent supersampling when i first upgraded my pc though. freaking beautiful. ran like a dream. dirt rally 2.0 doesnt look as good, or at least not as realistic. especially with the settings i use. which is a lot of things off, most on low or medium. and a few on high. with locked 90 and 150% supersampling. 2xmssa etc. its decent. but it could have been optimized a LOT better. to be fair though it was 'apparently' never planned for VR support though so they did a decent job and im just happy it has it. maybe ill upgrade to an RTX 3000 series gpu in another year or two and will be able to max it then.
Very informative video, Nice
Fps caps are common in games. Almost every game on pc now has fps limit option and vsync options.
And ofcourse you can always tweak setting through Nvidia control panel or amd radeon software to cap the fps.
And you also have Nvidia inspector, a third party tool which has loads of options like 1/2 refreshrate vsync, 1/4 refreshrate vsync, VSYNC AFR smoothening etc...
You won't be able to tweak these on a console.
its worth noting 90% of in-game fps caps are flawed and not nearly as effective as something like Rivatuner
30 fps on console is really different! really suit them!
When you go fast it’s like the spoiler can’t catch up to the car and u can see it on the road
I don't think smoothness is the issue and is a bit of a straw man to the issue at hand. The problem is 30fps introduces a very slow image response from action for a competitive / sports game that's based on reaction and timing even if it's butter smooth.
It's very obvious that ACC on PS4 is just a case of a publisher wanting to get the sales from this gen and next gen consoles regardless of the product quality.
Obvously a downgraded product is expected on slower platforms but there is a limit to how much something can reasonably be downgraded before it reflects badly on the publisher and developer.
Of course people are free to buy or not buy something.
People have to be honest about the objective shortcomings though.
Set your monitors refresh rate to 30 Hz and lock your framerate at 30 fps. There is your console grade smoother 30fps gameplay
Exactly, or if you want to keep 60Hz, just lock the frame a little above 30, like 33/35 fps, that's it.
@@AzzAra09 WEll to a 33 or 35 wtf it is not the same !
why wont people figure out smoothness is low stutter and drops not frames
Would limiting the frame rate to 30 adversly affect some simulation and FFB elements? Like in F1 2019 when they advertised the suspension is being simulated at 120hz, if the game is capped at 30 surely you will not feel or see the difference. The same with FFB, would what you see and what you feeling be out of sync or would you miss out on higher fidelity details in the FFB?
Only the visuals will be at 30 frames, all your inputs and feedback will be running faster. They have done this with Forza and Gran Turismo way back in the day
It depends on the game. Some tie the physics to the frame rate. Others don’t.
@@boostedmedia You wouldn't expect a game of this caliber to miss out on that. Hopefully I don't get a surprise because I pre ordered it months ago. I didn't really buy it with the intention of playing it much on ps4 though. It's mostly thinking forward to a ps5 patch.
The only thing I'm concerned about is input lag, the effect is very jarring on steering wheels because the input is so constant
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Just because a console is better optimized doesn't mean that it will be guaranteed smoother than a PC version of it. If the console isn't able to put out a constant 30 fps, then it won't. In GTA 5 for example, even on my Xbox one X it struggles to keep it constant 30 fps often getting down to 20 (this is estimation, it's easy to tell when there are frame drops/lower frame rate). Generally PC can sometimes have lower 1% or .1% average frame rates or lower frame times, but that also isn't guaranteed either. Most PC's are heavily optimized themselves nowadays, with constant driver updates, often ones coming out for specific games. Also, if you are saying that a TV can make you get a "smoother experience", then I could just plug my PC into a TV and get the same effect. I use both my Xbox and my PC on a monitor, because I can't stand the input lag that TV's have (even in "game mode"). VSync being forced on for consoles can also give a smoother experience to some people, but I much prefer a high frame rate with nearly no input lag over that. I currently play FH4 at 120 FPS with a ULMB enabled monitor, and it is an AMAZING experience, I would never say that it's worse than a 30 FPS experience on a console. Also, the actual reason why people are angry is because they want the freedom to do what they want, and to not be limited to specific settings that make the game unenjoyable for certain people. If I had the option to, I would opt to make GTA run better on my Xbox and sacrifice graphical fidelity, but that isn't an option, so I just have to wait for the series X, or play it on my PC where most of my friends don't reside.
Because of 30hz supported by TVs, monitors don't support 30hz,30fps on 60hz feels choppy but 30fps on 30hz feels much smoother
Yea bro i agree with you 30 fps on 30 hz feels smooth
So the weird thing is dell computers is not a Console!
Whos with me 30fps on computers mhm why is it not popular anyways!?
PC gamer here (primarily), I play on the PS4 and XB One as well...Switch too. 30 FPS on a console does feel slightly different and I have no issues with the fact most games run @30 FPS. I have the PS4 Pro and some titles are unlocked or 60 FPS. Anyway, the only issue I have with 30 FPS on the console is if the games drop below that 30 FPS, making the game lag or feel choppy. Although I love Bloodborne, it's a perfect example of what happens when frame rates drop below the intended locked 30 FPS. Of course that game had bad frame pacing as well so it was a combination of issues. As for 30 FPS on PC.... acceptable said no PC gamer, ever. Lol.
I am trying to get a new tv now for story games. I tested ac origins which had poor opt for my amd gpu and I had to lock it on 30 fps, I was surpirsed how much smoother 30 was on that old tv.
So what options should I ask for when buying which 'hides' these stutters. Or is it too common in tvs to ask.
I would definitely recommend the latest Sony Bravia TV They are built for gaming including Samsung has always made the greatest gaming TVs I have a Samsung 1080p HDR 120 Hz TV 2016 model and I am amazed how great it is Plus I have a Sony Bravia TV 2016 model But It's in the living room instead of my room 😑
@@HeyCMDR1991YT lil too late but thanks
Thank you for this video! I’ve got mine pre-ordered on PS4 so will feedback if your predictions are accurate. They make sense though.
Seeing lots of PC gamers saying 30 FPS is simply unacceptable. Are you all forgetting that the game needs to run on hardware that is 7 years old? Are many of you playing ACC on a 7 year old PC? Thought not...
Best bet is to try it out and be thankful this is available on console. If it’s awful, chuck it in the draw and try again when the PS5 is out.
Its still 30 fps and still gives you a delay in everything you do
30FPS with 60Hz is not smooth, but games that are optimized run 30fps at 30Hz which makes it smooth
You are dead wrong about that That's not how it works please do your research before you make a comment games that are locked at 30fps with 60 Hz output is actually smoother than 30 Hz output simply because older TVs at that time was only capable of maxing out at 24 FPS interpolation which was not really that great which is why it's actually better to have a 60 Hz monitor Which is the best way to experience gaming but at that time most commercial TVs were not even built for gaming the first gaming TV was made by Samsung Which was known as game mode which is designed to decrease input latency as much as possible in order to increase the frame rate output and controller delay is also improved 😎👍 during my school years in around 2000 to 2010 many of my friends Actually have a 60 Hz gaming monitor with their Xbox 360 and PS3 connected to it and I was blown away how smooth it is compared to my liquid crystal Samsung TV plasma TVs didn't exist at that time The first models started early at 2009 and Samsung became the first company to actually include a gaming mode for gamers and ever since then it has improved my gaming experience ever since then 😍
Nice video but I really want to make one statement. You opened the talk about frames by saying that console gamers on the whole play with a pad. Now although this is the case if talking about cal of duty or fortnite it is far from true when coming to true sim racing games. Not talking forza gt sport of f1 I’m talking AC PC2 and the like. Most are on wheels. And this misconception is why console sim racers aren’t taken seriously. It’s assumed we are slow crash a lot and don’t take it at all seriously. This couldn’t be further from the truth
30 fps is just fine, but if you've gotten used to 60fps plus then dropping down to 30 is quite a shock but you will always get used to it again
You did explain al perfectly but it hurts that the answer in the end is "It is how it is". Consoles run 30fps smoother than pc and that's it, you can try to emulate it but you won't get the same effect, and I can't swallow the reason why there's no proactive way to go for it.
Gonna be honest. Go play a game on consoles that is 60fps (smite, tomb raider) then go play destiny 2 with its trash ass 30fps. then tell me its a better experience.
i played tomb raider for 4 hours and it was legit good 60fps. then went to destiny and its absolute garbage. cant even play it.
its just insane how it changes your feel for the game. i just hate how some games are 60fps but make the cinematics 30fps for no reason. just make 2 varients of the game. 1 is for visual 30fps type of game and 2 for frame rate.
Between monitor and TV, which one do u think is the better choice for sim racing games like ACC, F1 2019/2020 on PS4 Pro and what size?
Marco has already told us but people don’t get it. These consoles cannot support this game at 60 fps cause their softwares are not able to run this game as full potential. I don’t care but i just wanna enjoy this game cause i don’t have a pc gamer for now.
I still like high frame rate .
Over 60 !!!!
more like 200fps
Still mite work on console at 30fps
Idk I prefer pc experience for racers.
"There's no argument that in most cases, 30FPS is almost unplayable by today's standards on a PC"
That's a lie.
Use nvidia inspector for limiting your fps. Perfect.
30 FPS sucks
Would like to see a video on how to lock your fps. I struggle to run more than 18 cars in single player. GTX 750ti in my ageing pc, hopefully I’ll upgrade it this year.
It needs game support. Some have it in settings. Others don't.
If the game doesn't support it you can use Nvidia control panel (one of the latest versions) to cap fps in any chosen game.
Hey mate, I know this is late , but go into nvidia manager find the game you want in settings and lock the vsync option to adaptive half rate, then in the game itself set it to 30fps...it'll be smoother then just using the game fps setting
Actually 30fps is worse on console. Because of vsync and the lack of most console gamers displays not supporting LFC. This then forces on vsync and adds more latency too the game. Everything else is the same but better on pc. More options to increase frames
2:52 so basically its natural DLSS
learned new stuff :) ty
30fps is completely okay to me 60fps is nice if they include it but I really see no problem with 30fps it's not a deal-breaker for me if they say it'll only run at 30fps those who say it doesn't control as well as 60 fps I just have to say two words git good
DriveClub was locked to 30FPS on PS4...... visually it looked superb and game play wise it ran just fine.
@@user-zv8qg1co4z and your point here is?
Kunos, I hope you will sell 3 copies!!!
What kind of Tower are you using?
FPS > Graphics. I don't care what kind of game it is, 60FPS should be the minimum imo. The fact that games are still coming out locked at 30FPS is just embarrassing.
I'd be less concerned about the frame rate if there were any reviews of the game. It's out in a few days and still nothing. Can't help but think it's a disaster snd they're afraid of being hammered in reviews and losing preorders. This is not how you launch a game.
Not a topic that matters to me as I’m not in the console space, but valuable information for sure when discussing the general point at 6:09
Why don't people make a video on how to fix this. The simple way is play with a controller get a freesync or gsync monitor that works in 30hz+ range and lock the frame rate to 3 or so higher then the lowest adaptive-sync range of the panel within Nvidia's control panel or Amd's settings or even Rivaturner. I for example use 45FPS on my G-sync monitor when i need too and play using a controller and set back and its smooth as butter to me and i'm very sensitive to this stuff i can easily notice when consoles drop below 30fps the Wii U made me laugh hard at times lol
Doesn't matter that consoles use this or that hardware its still hardware and API's at the end of the day what matters is the output its giving all it's doing it giving the screen a constant 30FPS(in theory) which gives one consistent frametimes you can mimic this on a PC.
What he said about monitors is correct but you can ALSO just get a TV and use that as a monitor if you want too.
Can you tell me please how can i make my games run at 30 fps on my laptop ( it is 60 hz ) gtx 1650 please !
Thank you for posting.
UPDATED: Installed new firmware, no rattling, I’m happy. The difference is amazing. Played ACC on PS4 for couple of hours. I like AC better at the moment. My TV - plasma panasonic tx-p50gt60B. Motion rating 3000hz , input lag average 23ms. Wheel Thrustmaster T300 Alcantara. Maybe they will fix issues - at 30fps I hardly can see braking marks 200,150,100,50. Force feedback is no good. At all. Tried all different ffb settings on few cars. My T300 Alcantara rattles like mad, even on straights rattles lot. If put ffb to 0 then no rattle no FFb. Turning FFb on rattle increases, so loud and annoying. Especially when playing late/night. Ideally I would like ffb about 50 and rattling 5. Anybody know how to take that rattling off? I had all ffb settings 0 except main ffb (gain) and there is mad rattling. I think at the moment AC is so much better. ACC needs a patch I think.
I still can't believe that I used to play gta sa on PS2 at 30fps.
it doesnt even feel like 30fps to me lol
Lol it was well below 30fps the majority of the time if you were having fun on the game.
Solution:Just play indie games
ac is an indie game as far as i know
Hey there just got my ACC. Using my DD1 on PS4. Have you got any settings to suggest? I'm using my previous AC settings from Fanatec and it doesn't seem to work that good. The game seems awesome though! I would like to get off that virtual steering wheel from the screen but it won't go anywhere...
Riva Tuner statistic server is an useful software for the frames pacing. If you play on pc on 30 or 60 fps you should try it.
30 FPS vs 60 is disappointing, but at least all the other console players will have to deal with it in multiplayer, so it won't be a competitive advantage. Maybe with the next generation, the FPS will be increased.
I'll be really honest and say that I'm not normally a fan of your videos will, but this was excellent and very relevant and you're the only one that's offered any explanation to the straight dismissal opinion. Thanks!
I'm on Xbox but i use g29 controller is horrible to play
I can resume this in 30 seconds. FRAME TIMES, on a lowspec PC, 60fps will have long frametimes cause it cant keep up, therefore it won't be CONSISTENT. Consoles can't do 60fps on some games, but enough over 30fps to have low frametimes.
30 frames isn't smoother on consoles it's just that it's been more accepted in the community since the beginning, so people are more accepting of it. I've been around long enough playing pc games and can remember even on shooters that 30 was and still is acceptable to play on. I remember doom 1 and 2 and even quake being perfectly acceptable at 25-30 FPS... that's a fact. Consistent frame rate is the key. People have acclimated to higher frames now so automatically assume 30 is not acceptable.
I guess I could agree with this but even 60 fps on my pc on a tv feels so much choppier than my console on the same tv
30fps is horrible on a console, But its the accepted standard so I'm unsure of why anyone is surprised or upset. If its PC players making noise then whatever, The console release was never about them.
Hint: it's not, a lot of console gamers just have lower standards.
why did we jump to 4k low to medium 30 fps instead of 2k ultra 120/60 fps not many people with 4k tvs
I have still preordered ACC. I have an Xbox One X and hoped they would do 1080p 60fps instead of the 4k 30fps.
I’m not getting it
NORMAL ASETTO IS 60 FPS
I DONT CARE IF ITS GOT THAT MUCH BETTER GRAPHICS
REDUCE THEM AND MAKE IT 60
Lock your fps with nvidia inspector, its PERFECT FOR 30FPS ON PC, don't use ingame frame limiter or rivaturner = framepacing issues.
is this true? would have been nice to know for certain games back when i had my old pc parts. interesting.
Your joking ! I’ve been soooo looking forward to this game coming to console. If this doesn’t run at 60fps on PS4 Pro I won’t be buying it.
Also how big are your monitors? And XB1X and PS4 Pro are both 1080p
I get the reasoning behind it, but isn't going to make the product less crap. Especially with a wheel.