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Jon Wilner: SMU & SDSU Had a Pac-12 Invite Until Oregon & Washington’s Last Minute Decision | CFB
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- Jon Wilner, Pac-12 Hotline joins 365 Sports to discuss his thoughts on the demise of the Pac-12, what role did the Big Ten play in the falling apart of the Pac-12, his thoughts on Big 12 Commissioner Brett Yormark, and more.
With David Smoak, Paul Catalina, & Craig Smoak
Also Wilner conveniently ignored the fact that Colorado jumped to the Big 12 the week before and Arizona and the Big 12 agreed to a deal the day before the Pac-12 meeting. I love how David kept the pressure on him about his feelings towards the Big 12.
He ignores Colorado left with the exception of writing them off due to there “60 year history with the Big 12”. And then he goes with the Pac 12 arrogance of SMU and/or SDSU had more value.
Wilner is both delusional and still carrying the Pac 12's water.
Wilner's biases rendered him utterly incapable of appreciating the peril that the Pac was facing for 9 months after Yormark snagged the last decent media deal. He constantly moved goalposts on how he assessed the Pac's prospects and he failed to push back on Canzano's defamatory attacks on real journalists' reports of the Pac's struggles. I don't know why anybody is seeking out his perspective on where things stand now...he has demonstrated a lack of credibility throughout this saga.
Nobody has analyzed and reported the missteps and increasingly woeful state of the Pac for years than him. His forte is not in working the rumor mill and being the first to tweet out source's comments. And his sources are in the conference and Bay Area not the mountain schools or Big 12- where the breakup was triggered. But he long ago acknowledged that conference breakup was a possibility.
What he really misreported was his attempt at "media economics" and repeatedly stating going to market would lead to more money rather than timing the degrading market as Yormark did.
Wilner and Canzano destroyed whatever credibility they may have had.
Well said!
100%
If Wilner thinks that AZ was going to sign a deal for only $23 Mill and having to sell 2 million Girl Scout cookies, aka Apple subs, he is fooling himself.🤣
Exactly.
There’s no way we’re smarter than all of them right? It should have been an easy decision to decline. Look at Bally sports right now. It was an unmitigated disaster
Had Oregon and Washington agreed, UA would’ve fallen in line like the little brothers they are.
How much do you think AZ is going to get from the B12???
@@JC-zq8vkThe same $31M all the other Big 12 schools are getting
You are high if you think juggernaut programs like Oregon and Washington are gonna sign TV deals where you can't see them on cable. That would have killed Oregons program. Strsight down the tubes.
Oregon is USC'S little brother
@davidjasso178 Dakota Fields didn't think so, DeAntony Thomas didn't think so, oh and the scoreboard never says so. 🤭
It’s true. Had they not had a B1G offer, wouldn’t have had any choice. They weren’t going to the B12, so of course they would’ve signed. 100%.
@@davidjasso178Rent free
Oregon would not even be on the radar without Phil Knight bankrolling the football team. They were nothing before Nike money gave them life. Small market, average academically, only thing they offer is Nike.
As an Arizona Alum I am sooooooooo happy this happened. I excited about move to Big 12. I thought Arizona never really aligned with schools like. (Cal, Stanford, UCLA).
I’m an Oklahoma State fan. Im very excited for ya to come to the Big 12, and also been wanting ya in forever!!!
I just wish AZ had won at least one Rose Bowl, or at least played in the Rose Bowl Game.
So I guess AZ might have better luck elsewhere.
B12 is happy to have added a FB power and 2 patsies.
@@TSK246923 patsies. AZs + CU 😜
I see what you did there. Yes, right now Utah is better than Arizona and ASU. . . Haha.
Add Stanford, Cal, MWC plus SMU. Memphis and Rice or Tulane along with Oregon St & Washington St; you’ve got good programs in some large markets
Still running the BS lines like "upgrade over Colorado ". Crock mouthpiece for the pac 12. Dead conference. Trying to sully the B12 post op
Only a handful of ostriches thought the pacs gor was being signed last friday: Wilner. Canzano. Kliavkof. Shultz.
@@yello33but they are democrats and let’s not forget Spencer on Locked On PAC12 and all the other Democrats and woke libtards who got most of this wrong. I didn’t think the demise of the PAC would happen until 2025 but speed warped it to now. I stand by the ACC doesn’t get picked apart just like the Big12 didn’t.
@@yello33 OSU and WSU's best option was the conference staying together. Not the same situation as the commentators.
I hate the way Wilner puts all the blame on Oregon and Washington for the collapse of the PAC. It starts with Kliavkoff and those who enabled him like Michael Crow of ASU. Oregon and Washington simply chose stability just like Colorado. Who can blame them?
UW and OU 100% could’ve kept the P12 together. That’s just a fact.
@@daddio159
True, but so could’ve USC/UCLA.
@@jimedick9496 oh 100%. Had they stayed, the PAC also could’ve then gotten the 40-45 ish ( maybe 50) million per school.
@@daddio159
I hate blaming any of the schools athletic departments. They are in a position to compete and they have to have results. The AD’s and coaches have a lot of pressure to win. If you don’t, they get fired. Imagine being any one of those AD’s and receiving an offer to get out of a sinking ship, who’s going to say know? They have a job to do, and that’s to give their programs the best opportunity to win.
I truly put the blame on Larry Scott and the school presidents. They allowed Scott to call all the shots, even when it was obvious he was repeatedly making mistakes. His salary was ridiculous. He moved the PAC-12’s HQ to a high rise in downtown San Francisco that had a insane monthly fee. He turned down ESPN as a partner for the PAC-12 network. He made one mistake after another. He literally had Texas and OU begging to join and he did nothing with it.
All this was taking place when the PAC-12 was considered the top conference in college football. He was stacking bad decisions on top of poor decisions. I remember scratching my head at the presidents for not stepping in and getting rid of him.
The death of the PAC falls squarely on him and the presidents.
They could have perhaps. They Also would have had all their games behind a paywall while USC and UCLA had most on free TV
This merger would have had a killer name, “The PACMAN Conference”😂😂😂
SMU should worry about how they are going to fill their football stadium before worrying about a new conference
Lol true
Not a problem with quality opponents.
With all due respect to Jon, I don't think he has the pulse of what's really going on.
Exactly, the Oregon/Washington departure was going to happen all along, it’s just there was an 11 month pause when the BIG 10 was getting back up to speed with its new commissioner. Naturally, when the administration changed, there would be a temporary lull. I’m curious as to who will be 19 & 20 for the BIG 10?
Jon, an expert on taking the pulse of a corpse.
He's not due the respect. He's a biased bay area tool
Heartbreaking for those two schools
I love the anger he has at the Big 12. 😂 He is so salty! And the Big 12 doesn't need Stanford.
How could anyone be mad at the big 12? The big 12 made adds to survive. The big 10 and the sec have made adds for money for decades.
Stanford and UCLA have the most National Titles in the NCAA all sports. Last look it was Stanford number 1 UCLA number 2 but the difference was 1 title so that could have switched.
Easy fix, get UNLV, Fresno state, San Diego State, SMU, Rice, and UTSA, UNT and Texas State. Play really big into the texas vs Cali rivalry
Nobody cares about rice utsa unt Texas state or Northern California schools though .
I remember Wilner said BYU would go 0-5 in the PAC-12 in 2021. Lol look what happened 😅
...and you losers are still talking about it like it was the greatest season BYU ever had. Despite going 5-0, your team still has a losing record v. The Pac-12 (11-16?) Hilarious.
@@THEeyepatch11 yeah wins are wins against the PAC-12 hello mr troll from the Monty show haha
Not shocked, would love if the MWC could merge with the PAC-3 and then add SMU as a full member. That would be a 15 team conference and then they could add Gonzaga, Wichita state, or GCU to balance out the basketball because of Hawaii.
Well, there’s a mouthpiece for the for the Pac 1012 whatever we’re calling it now, so I can take his opinion with a grain of salt
I used to be angry about the networks until I looked at the figures. If the SEC and B1G are pulling in so much more revenue than the PAC, then what’s the issue? The PAC blames administration, but here’s the real issue. I just heard the Utah AD say that he made 20 trips to Pauley Pavilion but not once saw a sellout. Kansas, before COVID, sold out 324 straight home games. There’s the difference.
You think Kansas sells out for Utah? Lol. I’m jk.
@@daddio159KU sells out for BFE state OoC games. Of course they’ll sell out for all the New BIGXII games.
The Pretentious Athletic Conference got what they deserved.
They had the 2 worst commissioner's ever back to back. Not sure any 108 year old conference deserves to implode but I guess haters are gonna hate. Thx for your excellent help.
@@kenstewart5991And no conference deserves to implode no matter their age, they are no difference than anyone else. But thanks for contributing nothing.
Great questions!!!!
Bull. Don’t believe that at all. SDSU couldn’t bankroll $34 million.
Yes they could, over a ten year period. Come one. Especially if their tv money went from 4 to 23 mil per year.
@@daddio159even Texas a&m is reluctant to spend that kind of money, hence why Jimbo still has a job
Hahahahahaha...Jon Wilner has some really funny PAC 12 Stories!!! LMAO 🤣😆😂 hilarious 💯
This was supposed to be a layup. Now it's Pac 12 - 8.
Wilner got it exactly correct about the "arrogance" of the majority of the PAC 12 Presidents looking down on the Big 12. The opportunity to add up to six Big 12 schools in 2021 would have saved the conference of champions.
How in the Heck a sports beat writer from San Jose know Apple is buying ESPN, Really?? What a jokester. Stanford is gonna buy a Network, they got more important priorities on Earth.
ESPN is for sale. Disney's earnings call is tomorrow and there may be more news on it.
@@KarlDahlquist I hear you, Apple haven’t been raking in the dough also. They lost $160Billion in market value also, that’s 4.8% supposedly.
@@JP76511Apple is still the most valuable company in the world, lol. They have $$$.
@@KarlDahlquistno it’s not….Iger pulled that off the table but did say a stake could be sold to a strategic partner to lower Disney’s costs
Wash/Ore was never signing that deal. I sense some denial in the caller.
Jon is a terrible analyst.
This wasnt about # of teams, it was about Quality (P5) or lack thereof. More teams just meant less piece of $ pie to divy up
Wilner has lost all credibility.
ABSOLUTELY
Agreed.
He lost credibility a long time ago.
Add San Diego State, Fresno State and Boise State and SMU.
But Cal and Washington have over 30 National titles between them. (My memory says 36 but I am not sure) The schools you mention do not have 1 between them
the Offer.... 20M, no linear, only apple, vs 40 M all linear, tougher competition , WIN WIN!
Looking forward to the Big-133 as the only remaining conference with all the FBS teams. Just take the top ranked 4 teams and run the phony FBS playoff series. Everyone else can bid for bowls like the Raising Canes Chicken Finger Rose Bowl in Myrtle Beach SC.
PAC deserves what they got. That group is so hard to listen to.
Wilner is a Pac 12 homer to the last. No one was going to sign the Apple contract.
Same schools signed the P12 channel. Geniuses.
Wilner needs to look in the mirror man. Easy to blame the conference for arrogance all while you were a prime example.
The minute a conference is looking to SMU for help your conference is already hot garbage.
They need to save the Pac12. 100 years of history
There's really nothing left to save. It's over.
The only schools that cared about/know about sports are now in the B1G 10.
The schools with decent enough value are in the B1G 12.
The ones that are left don’t have the value/brand or care enough about football to be of use.
UO/UW/usc/ucla knew that leaving was the only way they could survive
I would argue Utah knows and cares about sports but they're starting from way lower than Oregon and Washington. Utah has only been a power 5 team for 13 years
@@wesleyowens4089 I did forget about Utah and I respect them a lot as a UO fan.
SEC schools know that’s BS🤡
I am so happy to know i'll be watching Oregon go head to head against Penn, Ohio St, Wisconsin, and Michigan on satuurdays and and not San Diego State. lol. We were saved and then elevated.
Then again, when has Oregon, in my 63 year lifetime, ever played for a national championship?
@@jeffkilgore6320 they played twice in the Kelly/Helfrich era
@@jeffkilgore6320
Are you serious??? They’ve played 2 times out of the last 12 years!!!
@@jeffkilgore6320umm... 2014 ring any bells
Question
Does Clemson and FSU go to the SEC now??? I welcome all opinions.
Asap
@@brianmyers4444 I suspect the same.
I think FSU maybe to the BIG.
@someguy6212. That would leave the BIG at 19 teams right? Who would be the 20th team? Or would the BIG not search for a 20th?
@@Mors_Atra_ if did go down that way I think the target for twenty would be Miami
Assuming everyone would say yes I'm thinking something like this
Pod 1
Stanford
Cal
Fresno State
San Diego State
Pod 2
Washington State
Oregon State
Boise State
Utah state
Pod 3
SMU
RICE UTSA
TULANE
And if the ACC blows up see if any of then would join...Boston College, Wake, Georgia Tech, and idk maybe Memphis is still in play
That's actually a good conference. But who will bankroll it ?
And will Apple pay for it ?
Why not add a few more ?
Colorado St
Airforce
UNLV
SJSU ???
Tulsa
Memphis
UNT or Texas St
LA Tech or NM ?
Big12 will be in a battle with them over SMU, Tulane, ... SDSU, Fresno, Boise, Colorado St ... maybe UNLV.
Utah St & Airforce would be 2 big pickups without a battle really. Those 2, plus Boise, Colorado St, Tulane & SMU are all comparable, from a media viewership numbers standpoint, to Arizona, Colorado, Arizona St. Maybe Notre Dame with enter into a scheduling agreement with more of the conference to help them over the hump ?
Why would all those schools join a sinking ship with incompetent leadership?
This is good however id swap UTSA with New Mexico because of their academics and believe them to be a larger brand. Also swap Colorado state for Utah State for the same reason
@@CharlesFosterMalloyalso maybe take UNLV over Fresno
The Pac is dead! MWC would be happy to pick up the crumbs of a former P5 conference.
Sdsu isn't better than Colorado you so crazy
It’s a better fit for a west coast conference that needs So Cal. Plus, CU has been a joke for a long long long long long long time lol.
@@daddio159 shut it
@damienk2652 but Colorado is power 5 school sdsu is rinky dink. Plus Denver market is much bigger than San Diego.
Washington and California seem to be the best rowing programs in the nation. That being said the Ivy league is also very good in the Sport.
Cal has 3 Olympic gold medals Washington 1.
The Washington-California men's varsity eight dual series dates back to 1903, with 107 meetings between the two schools. UW currently leads the varsity series 74-32-1
this is 4 years old
Maybe so but UW has a dominate record on head to head competition
Az st would have stayed but AZ was gone either way!
What MWC team is going to pay an exit fee to join a dead conference?!! I don't see it!
No one will tell me different that the Big 10 didn't have a hand in the Pac 12's demise
Wilner is delusional
Thumbs down for such a terrible guest.
Pac 12 schools always got screwed with lack of east coast viewership. Ofcourse the Pac 12 could have started some games at 8AM Pacific time. I would have gone to, and watched early AM games.
That's a terrible idea for the athletes and fans nobody is going to start a game at 8am
As usual, it's all about the money.
Why is Wilner still trying to sell that Arizona "signed in blood" thing?! They LITERALLY applied on Thursday night, yet Wilner is still spinning like a gotdamn top.
If the Pac merges with the MWC they should invite Hawaiʻi, high academics, a new stadium in development, huge fan base, late time zone, mid market, most popular American school in East asia and Oceania. Olympic sports multiple championships.
Hawaii is aleady in the Mountain West.
@@jimstallings3he never said they weren’t he said they need to be invited into the new merged conference
The best schools Wilner is trying to add to the P12 is right there with the lowest ranked schools in the B12… no chance Stanford and Cal agree to any of these scenarios.
Wilner>Mandell>Canzano>Altimore
😢
SDSU was not paying 34 mill exit fee to join that😂.
They would have borrowed it from the pac 12 against future earnings. They make like 4 million a year they would have came here for 20-25 million a year and have it paid off quick
PAC 4 are the first 4 out
Mississippi State
Rutgers
Iowa State
Vanderbilt
Wake Forrest
Kansas State
Your move out of the power structure is upcoming….good luck
The writing has been on the wall for years with the PAC!!! One red flag after another after another after another!!! Why are some PAC loyalists still spinning the web of denial??? Reality is harsh, reality is always evolving, reality requires knowledge, reality requires growth, and reality requires change! And change is hard, often extremely hard! “Acceptance is the key to all my problems today.”
Wilner slurping WSU big time
This is all bees wax. Horse manure
It is a sad situation for Oregon State. However, they had 100+ years in a PAC 12 conference that other schools would have loved to be part of. What did they do to earn their seat at the table? Why them instead of BYU, Utah, UNLV, SDSU, Boise St? Oregon State have the short straw now. Well, how many other schools have had the short straw for the past 100 years (BYU, Houston, Cincinatti, etc.). It's sad they're losing their seat, but I personally don't think they ever should have had one.
They were a founding member of the conference, dummy.
3 nattys in baseball, for starters. Do your homework junior
@@jbrobinson2728 in case you haven't realized, the realignment happening hasn't had much to do with baseball...
Goodbye PAC!
Id be glad to see the Pac 8/10/12 die. Long live the Mountain West Conference. The MWC is now the #1 conference on the west coast.
This guys timeline is all wrong UA and the mountain schools all left before the Oregon and Washington deal was done…
Wilner has successfully tanked his credibility in almost record time.
I feel bad for this guy. Such delusion and STILL can’t admit big 12 was simply a better conference.
Wilmer has zero credibility with me, he is still a PAC talking head. UA was out regardless. ASU and UU might have stayed but that was even doubtful.
Curse the BigTen Conference
SDSU was never going to get an invite. PAC 12 doesn’t want religious schools
What? San Diego state university is a public school not a religious school.
@@The_k1d206 smu
The PAC-12 will survive and need to rebrand as “the PAC” 17:21 Bring in SDSU, SMU, + 2 schools from the AAC. NDSU too! 17:58
Bummer, no hard Qs to Jon about any of his crazy Propaganda reporting for Pac12
Occasionally watched Oregon if they had a good team but other than that rarely watched PAC 12 teams. If they had huge TV ratings the discussion would have been a lot different. No one is talking about it but CAL and Stanford, especially Stanford have become such woke schools wonder if recruits are balking? Consequences for everything these days.
Wilner is a joke of a journalist
@19:57 his lack of wisdom
SMU football program is caca!!!!!
David is very confrontational in this 1...
Every P5 conference president outside of the B12 looks down on the B12.
There are reason why....dont act you guys dont know why the B12 is looked down upon.
If u mean the big 10 and sec I agree . If u mean the Acc I don't agree . I believe the bottom half of that league really lowers the value of the conference in football at least
Pac 12 hubris
And arrogance. They’re still so arrogant and they are a dead conference