Wingspan: Oceania Expansion - Review
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Join us as we discuss our thoughts on the second Wingspan expansion called "Wingspan: Oceania Expansion," a board game designed by Elizabeth Hargrave and published by Stonemaier Games. Let us know what you think about the game in the comments section below!
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00:58 - Bonus Cards
01:51 - Goal Tiles
03:48 - Eggs
04:30 - Nectar
06:28 - New Player Mats
07:56 - Bird Cards
11:55 - Automa
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What are your thoughts on Wingspan?
Love it! And I've been refreshing RUclips daily in hopes of reviews! Thank you for making one. 😊
@Steinar Furuli Hi Steiner! Thank you so much for the kind words, I hope the video helped. Let us know if you have any questions about the expansion. 😉
I love Wingspan, and going to get this expansion for sure.
I really like the unique theme and think that Elizabeth Hargrave brings some much-needed diversity to the cast of top board game designers. That being said, as far as tableau builders go, I actually prefer Everdell over Wingspan (pretty unpopular opinion in the hobby).
This expansion seems like it adds a lot of interesting ideas to the game though. Thanks for sharing!
Wingspan is probably my wife and my go-to game. We love birds already and sometimes will be in the mood for this game after a hike with binoculars... but the gameplay of building on these actions and how different the game can feel just with a new hand, different goals, and an lucky birdfeeder roll makes this one we always come back to. The European Expansion's new goal tiles were awesome as a way to make it feel more varied (less egg-centric goals) and provided us a new challenge so out. We only just got the European Expansion but I'm excited for what this expansion will bring. I would also say that this game has probably had the biggest influence on my tastes in the hobby by introducing me to engine building and to SM games.
I was hoping you were going to do this expansion and I am not disappointed :) One thing that is easy to miss about the "no goal" tile, though. Since there is no goal that round, you don't need to place a cube on the end-of-round place, which in turn increases the number of actions you will have in subsequent turns. Thus, if you put the "no goal" tile in round 1, you will have 3 additional actions in the game, one more in each following round. It was the very reason why that tile was included (according to the design diaries), as some people wanted to have more actions and this is the designer's response.
All in all, this appears to be an even greater expansion than the previous one :) It shakes up a lot of the existing mechanics without making them more complicated. I can't even think what new mechanics they are going to put in the next expansions, but I am ready to be pleasantly surprised. By the way, Elisabeth Hargrave is an avid bird watcher herself, so she really knows what she is talking about when it comes down to birds.
One final thought - I have never been frustrated with the original Wingspan. I find the game very well designed and balanced, as it offers a lot of paths to victory. I guess what frustrates people the most is that the game often forces you to adapt on the fly, rather than plan your move in advance. I believe a good comparison is backgammon, which does the same thing - you need to adapt to every dice roll you get.
Oh my gosh such a great point! You're right it does give you the potential for 3 extra actions over the course of the game. You're right, the game adds and even more well rounded Wingspan game. We have seen in some games a player can't get the right combination of food and bird cards at the right time and they end up feeling like they are 2-3 turns behind everyone else. I tend to agree that the more experienced player is less likely to find themselves in that position.
You guys have become my favorite RUclips board game reviewers. Thank you for the the video.
Hi Kevin, thank you so much for the support! It really helps keep us motivated 👍
From New Zealand, I was so glad so the Kiwi (Our National Bird) and the Kakapo (an endangered parrot owl species with < 300 living birds left living in protective predator-free sanctuaries) on screen! Another awesome review guys! I've got this on pre-order!
I just bought Wingspan! Now have to make friends to play with.
Haha, we feel it's best played at 2-3 players. Haven't tried the solo game but have been told by others that it is good!
Haha that’s what I was just thinking
you don't need friends! this fabulous webpage runs as a digital Automa. It is really good, I've used it many times,. Enjoy! :) myautoma.github.io/#wingspan
Thanks for the review guys - this was really helpful. Whilst I would have liked to have seen more of the actual bird cards, I really enjoyed the format and delivery of the review. Well done!
Thanks for covering this. I have followed the information released from Stonemaier for this expansion and still learned more watching your video! Looking forward to trying it!!
Can't wait for that big empty box Stonemaier is planning... Great work as always!
It's in desperate need of storage solutions lol.
Always love watching your videos! The piano play off at the end is a really nice touch. :-)
I just came across this review in the recommended section, and I'm so glad I did. This is a topnotch review. I subscribed right away, and I look forward to more content like this.
thanks for the review you covered all components i wanted to know about great work !!!
sound awesome! thanks for this review guys :)
Great review! Thank you 😊
Great job guys. You're quickly becoming one of my favorite board game content creators!
Wow, thanks!
Nice new channel! 👍 love the explanations 🤗
Hi! I am a 11 year old from India and a new subscriber. Thanks for the review. I have both the base and the Europe expansion and can't wait for Oceania to be available here.
Because I play only 2p with my Dad, I love your choice of games. Thanks for all the videos!
Hi Aditya, I'm so glad you found our channel! I think it's fantastic that you like to play games with your dad. It really made me happy to read your comment :)
Wonderful explaination, thanks guys. Love your channel and love from India.
So nice of you, thank you for your support!
Love you guys!
Great video guys! As an Aussie, I can’t wait for this expansion.
Just got the game for Christmas....already ordered the upgrades and going to make a real dice/birdhouse in my woodshop this spring.My wife loves it.
OMG! I'm so excited about this expansion! It looks great! ❤️
Hey 'Before You Play'. :)
You've made the best playthrough I've seen of a board game, the playthrough of Fort. And the thoughts you shared about the game afterwards were very relatable. :) It's now natural to check out your videos for any board game I'm interested in.
If I can give you just one tip! At least from my point of view. When looking for a review of a product, I would like to see the product. :) For example, I'm very excited about seeing the new bird cards in the Oceania Expansion, and 08:27 - 08:30 is mostly all I got to see. :) There were a couple of other shots, but still only for a few seconds. You mention that there are a wide variety of abilities, and you continue to talk enthusiastically about them, while on my end I'm sitting here thinking "ooh, let me see!". If you click the timestamp and imagine you're me going nuts from seeing new cards, also imagine me when it ends in 3 seconds. :D
In any case, keep up the good work, and thanks for taking the time to make this review!
So many eggs! Maybe we'll use those yellow eggs for our incoming copy of Praga Caput Regni. Thanks for the review!
So excited for this one. Wingspan is my wife's favorite game so we play it a lot. The European expansion really helped refresh it for me since it provided other viable last round options other than egg spamming. I am really excited what other avenues become available here, especially with the end round goal or no goal so you get a few more actions in the game.
100% agree. Egg spamming was a legitimate path in base Wingspan. Each expansion chisels the game into a more well round experience.
Also guys, "Gain food" and "Draw cards" actions are improved on the main board (all spots are more powerful) and "Lay eggs" action is weakened on the main board (all spots are worse) - so the board is not only different from old one in a sense that it has refresh spot and nectar mechanics, but is also IMO more balanced, it adresses the base game issue of gaining food and drawing cards being much weaker actions than laying eggs.
1. Storage solution is definitely needed. I think I've heard Jamey talk about this before so fingers crossed!
2. The automa for wingspan is awesome! It's so simple, and I get some theme out if it as well. I would love to hear your thoughts on the co-op that Rodney Smith completely missed out on!
Thanks again Monique and Naveen! Another awesome review from my favorite RUclips channel :). With this expansion, does the last round still feel like 'just lay eggs' or does it feel different now? Or is the European expansion still needed in your opinion to fix this issue? Thanks again and have a great Essen weekend :)
Super stoked for this. Sucks my wood organizer I got on etsy probably won't fit all the extras, but hopefully the big box is a good solution.
Great video. Cool to see all the things in this expansion. I guess as they look to add to/improve game play, some theme may be lost. I mean, birds looking in a particular direction? Definitely like the addition that you can somehow flush the tableau. Do the new bird cards that are added to the game keep the same % of attributes as stated on original private goal cards? Or is that information just known to be outdated?
Thanks for the overview, I hope you guys will also do a playthrough
Thanks for checking it out! We might do a live-stream sometime in the future (which you could always watch later), we just need to figure it all out with our schedule.
@@BeforeYouPlay Since you two expressed interest in the Automarazzi during the video, that might be fun to watch if you guys enjoy the co-op. Though it IS fun to watch you at each others' throats too.
I believe nectar is wild for playing birds and counts when a wild food symbol is present. However, I think Jamie Stegmaier confirmed that nectar is not wild when a bird power requires a specific food type (e.g. discard 1 seed to tuck 2 cards). Bird powers still require specific food types. Otherwise, great summary.
Thanks for the review! I cannot wait to get this expansion! Wingspan is easily our most played game.
It's such a great gamers' game that you can still play with a newbie!
Oh thanks for this. I love Wingspan. Have European Expansion too .. now just need to get a hold of this one!
Hope you enjoy it!
I've heard the flightless birds with "*" wingspans work as wildcards when trying for the goals of ascending and descending windspan order.
I enjoy your videos soooo much, thank you guys!! I've glued my birdhouse so don't store it in my base box, plus we only play 2P so we don't even use the purple eggs. I'm hoping I can make this expansion fit as well. Since the new player boards replace the base ones, I'll just store 2 in the box and hopefully all those beautiful cards will fit just fine. 🤞
We honestly just use a dice tray when we play lol. Definitely replace the boards, add in the new cards, swap the dice, add the end of round tokens, and of course add in that nectar. You may be good to go!
@@BeforeYouPlay will do! 👍
I can put all three wingspan games in one box. I have the wooden wingspan inlay and dropped off the base game boards and dices. Everything fits perfect! I would like to recommend the inlay! 😃
From my understanding the Automa hoard is a way to account for those brown powers where "All players gain x" such as the hummingbirds. I guess in the multiplayer game players like to think about whether or not they want to give their opponent that extra resource, so the hoard simulates that for solo (or co-op). My wife and I aren't quite so competitive when we play but thinking back to how much fun you two had "hate-drafting" each other in the Calico playthrough, maybe you'd like the subtle difference it adds, haha.
If you play with Automarazzi the hoard is used to help balance out one of the options it gives you as players to share resources though you apparently can forgo that option and play Automarazzi without the hoard.
I like how you both focused on how oceania addresses some of wingspan's criticisms.
I absolutely love the idea of wingspan. I love how it makes birds cool, is an approachable game and elizabeth hargrave herself seems awesome butttttt the way people talked about the gameplay made it seem like egg laying was kind of the dominant strategy and it made me think twice about it.
This expansion really feels like a mature tweak on the wingspan formula in a way that makes me more interested in picking up the base game and giving it a try.
Watching that subscriber count growing steadily 👀
This looks like a great expansion ... I like the updated player boards. 90+ more birds seems like too much ... can I even fit that in my box lol
Being Aussie. Thank you for having an Oceania Wingspan game.
This is a really solid game and one that regularly gets to the table, especially as each expansion adds new gameplay and "fixes" little quirks in the game. I have used it to bring many people into the hobby. Many people who would not be interested in space, fantasy, or medieval cultures will come to the table to play a cool game about birds. I love what Elizabeth's games are doing for the hobby. Just wait till the next couple expansions, we will be awash in bird cards...
This was a really helpful video, thanks! I'm not really sure from watching this, or from any of the links I've read about this expansion so far, but how well does this integrate with the vanilla game? Can you play the expansion even if you don't have either prior installment? Can you shuffle all the bird cards from all three installments together and still have a coherent game?
Yes, you can play it with or without the europe expansion. You will have to shuffle it with the base game.
In the base game, spamming eggs usually bags you the win most of the time but in this expansion, eggs are nerfed and there are more creative ways to score points. (the creator even acknowledges that chihuahuan crow and common crow cards are OP and can be removed if you want to)
It also addresses the foodtray problem by allowing you to reroll by paying a resource and adds a wild food type (nectar).
10/10 recommended to get this expansion.
about storage: I have all player boards of the base game and the oceania expansion in the oceania box. they fit perfectly! the rest is stored in the base box. if you also have the european expansion, you end up with two of those cardboxes. they just don't fit both in the base box, but it's not that big of a deal...
I know there are more expansions going to come. I'm looking forward to Asia if at all its in plan. But i wish they produced a big box accommodating all future expansions as well.
We hope for the same thing, a storage solution will be really improtant! I think it's beautiful they are including such a wide variety of these species from different parts of the world.
sounds great. i never felt frustrated in a negative way with the original when food wasn't available or no good bird cards weren't available, it added good tension to the game for me. im wondering if the wild makes it too easy to always have the food you need and the reset will always get you what you want. one question: i didn't like the emphasis on tucking in the european expansion, with added 95 bird cards, is that strategy a little more watered down?
Hmm it's hard to say as there are so many combos out there. The wild food is interesting as it makes timing of choosing to get food really important. You don't want to be the one to reset the feeder for others to gain. In terms of the tucking issue, it was really hard to tell as we played 1 game with all the new bird cards (95) and roughly another (95) of the old cards. This made it so that we could ensure we felt the effect of the new cards more. Another game we played with all the cards mixed together. Hope this helps!
We opened it tonight. My wife played lots of tree birds, so she reset the feeder any time she wanted food, which always rolled nectar. She never had to worry about what food to get, as she almost always had 2-3 nectar. It became a get nectar, play any bird you want, get more nectar. I think the expansion is mostly about food management, which I don’t particularly like.
@@ronthelibrarianMany people came with a solution for this problem : take 3 dice from the base game and only 2 dice of the Oceania expansion. This way, getting nectar is way more difficult and it balances things up.
For card storage solution I just removed all the cards that no one likes to or will ever use in the game in the European expansion box and keep all the ones we DO use in the base game box.....😁👍🏻
I hear the next 2 expansion will come in a triangular box and a sphere. But seriously, great review! I gifted this game to family last year, and each year a new expansion :D (G)
LOL! Making room for the Spherical expansion as I type this :)
Have you tried playing this expansion together with the European one? If you had to recommend only one, which one would you prefer?
It's honestly seamless. It feels like with each expansion they've taken the criticisms and figured out ways to improve upon the base game. It doesn't add complexity for no reason and provides more options for a more well rounded game. Storage is a nightmare though lol
As always, a very good review. I’m from Australia and I kinda wish I bought this expansion before I bought the European expansion. The completist in me wants all the expansions, but my shelf space does not. What expansion do you prefer?
Such a hard question to answer!! haha Maybe, just maybe this one, although we felt like the previous expansion did help with some strategy balancing.
@@BeforeYouPlay oh no, I’m going have to buy this one as well aren’t I? Haha
Do you guys back in KS? For some reason i want to know what games you are looking forward to
Did Stonemaier games inform you as to MSRP? It seems like if they're replacing dice and mats it's going to be almost like buying the base game again.
I think they are creating a official sotrage solution/expantion, i've heard.
They BETTER!!
That's kind of crazy that so many more cards are added. I feel like at this point some of those base game ones need to be filtered out. Otherwise you may never or rarely see the cards for these in a game
Lol it's definitely not one of those games where you sit, plan, and wait for that ONE GLORIOUS card haha
If it's just two of us playing we purposely not use the cards we use or discarded for the next time we play.
@@BeforeYouPlay oh I definitely agree. I'm just saying I would like to see a blend of all these cards from 3 sources. And when there continues to be an addition of more and more stuff, that ratio of how often you'd see stuff from all three is diminished.
@@DiscopatrolI don't think that's a bad plan and if I played it more, I'd likely do that or something similar so I don't have repeated experiences.
My wife and I have started to remove some of the duller, less interactive cards from the game and the 1st expansion from circulation.
Thanks for the review and for bringing up the storage issues with the game. Is there room to fit just the Oceania expansion in the base game if you swap out the boards and dice? Just adding the birds will it fit?
Hi Michael, I think that might work is swapping out the boards and dice, and then adding the cards and new food. Everything else is relatively small in terms of footprint.
At this point, is Oceania like the Tuscany expansion which feels almost required once you've played the base game a few times? I can't play Viticulture with the base board, I only play the Tuscany board with its mechanics. I might not always use the extra buildings or special workers, but the base board is now in the expansion box and the Tuscany board is in the base box.
Wingspan .... possibly my favourite game of all time! The reason i bought all other stonemaier games! Even though i’ve been dissapointed with the others!
I love Wingspan, but the whole storage issue is real! With limited shelf space, I may have to wait on this one till they release their big box like they did with Scythe
For reeelz! All 3 boxes are completely different shapes and sizes lol. It'll be nice to consolidate at some point (pure speculation).
@@BeforeYouPlay My understanding is that they were originally going to wait until all 6 expansions (one per continent) were released but after this one they decided to start looking into it sooner. It's gotta be hard to try to future proof a big box storage solution though.
can you play with only the oceania deck only so not shuffle the other cards?
My big question is, do these changes to the player board and goals make it so that pursuing your private goals and the public goals is competitive with just creating a brutally efficient egg-generation engine? I always feel like our games come down to the fourth round, asking "ok, I could try hard to maximize my food generation to play more birds and max out my goals, or I could just add one or two final birds to lay more eggs and or provide lots of egg slots, and then lay as many eggs as possible". I find the first one a lot more fun, but feel like the second one virtually always creates more points. This expansion seems like it might have changed that, I hope it did.
I feel like it actually helps round out the game more so that there is less emphasis on egg laying and more emphasis on private/public goals. The addition of using nectar to try and score majorities can also influence this if you see an opportunity to pass up a competitor.
@@BeforeYouPlay Great to hear. Honestly I was going to buy it regardless but I'm glad it addresses some of the dominance of egg strategies.
Oh shut... This is expansion sounds waaaay better than the first. I think I shouldn´t bougth that and wait fot this one. Really like what adds to the game!
Really looking forward to this but I wish they upgraded w better dice .. hard to see the yellowish grain w tan-ish background.
Lol... Neveen ..harrdboiled eggs 🥚
Lol..typo.. didn't mean two rr in hardboiled but .. funny cuz I was thinking bout hardboiled eggs to make an egg salad sandwich for lunch prior to watching ur video
So if I was only going to get one Wingspan expansion, should I get Oceania or European?
Also, good point about the box sizes and that all cards now won't fit in the base game box(!)
Oceania for sure. The new Player Boards are really worth it. It makes tacticts with eggs less attractive and improves gameplay.
We totally did run out of eggs once... Big time... We missed like 15 at one point... Played at full player count though...
Hi Jakub, No WAY!!!!!! hahaha we mostly play this game 2 or 3 player so we never felt threatened by it. We figured there had to be a reason for even more eggs lol. Wingspan at 5 player huh? How long was that game?
@@BeforeYouPlay over two hours... 2.5 maybe... But one of us played for the first time so we had to explain a bit as we went along... Personally I like the game best with two or three... Even with four the game can get too long...
We played the base game four Sundays in a row at full 5 players and never ran out of eggs. We might just be lousy birders!
@@jakubhruza1229 Yeah definitely! Adding a 4th or 5th player just prolongs the game without adding to the overall experience. I guess hanging out with the players is the good thing lol
@@truelifetales lol Sounds like you guys didn't button mash the "Lay Eggs" action space at the end!
the oonly thing i dislike about WingSpan is it seems like your odds of winning are fully dependent on how lucky you are on getting good birds there are 3-4 powers/birds that are game breaking (ravens, killdeer, to name a few)
You never needed more eggs? I got 142 points in a game, and i was definitely in need of more eggs! MOAR
Karl Marx knows that everyone gets the same number of eggs. No corporate overlords! (hope the joke lands lol). We mostly play 2-3 player Wingspan and haven't run out ;)
@@BeforeYouPlay Good one, i have to give it to you! That happened to me in a 3 player game. But we solved the issue by just using food tokens instead of eggs :D
Are there birds from New Zealand in it?
For me, the whole mechanic with collecting spent nectar is kind of overpowered, since nectar can be used as any resource AND gives you VP in the end of the game. Nectar being discarded at the end of the round is not enough of a drawback. In 1 v 1 game, the person, who chooses food first usually has an advantage, since second player usually has 3 cubes to choose from with no nectar on them. Basically we had a situation, where second to draw food from feeder was at disadventage, because once one chooses 2 cubes, next player resets feeder and gets all the nectar, and not only he wont get punished for that, he will get more VP in the end of the game. Seems not balanced to me.
My game group strongly prefers the European expansion to Oceania. The European one brings in a nice variety of new strategy options. However, the Oceania changes seem contrived and unnecessary, and do not improve the gameplay.
The Asia Expansion does run out of eggs.
Cute people, nice audio and a fair review.
Thank you kindly! Hope you are having a great day!
So bald eagle is okay with some nectar...😂
#wingspansion
WU-TANG!
give us a big box
YES!!!
As an experienced slacker, I feel that I should automatically receive 1st place for the No Goal end-of-round goal. 😴
There is a lot about Wingspan that is refreshing, the illustrations are excellent, the flavour on the cards is a nice touch, the setting is great, but I just don’t really like it. As I said I like the setting, but the theme is a bit strange, essentially trapping birds for your private bird preserve. That isn’t a huge deal, just some icing on the cake. I don’t enjoy the scoring, and there is basically no player interaction. When I grab a lighter Euro, one to play with the familia, we want there to be a bunch of interaction, which is why we tend to skew more towards older Euros. Yes some cards care about what others are doing, but few and far between. I am glad it is doing well, it just isn’t the kind of game we enjoy that much.
Really think im going to give this a miss. I have European expansion and already that feels like theres too many cards haha, and it feels complete enough. Plus i have a box insert that all these bits wont fit into. The only thing i like about this expansion is the round goals, because the “most eggs in blah blah” tiles almost ruin Wingspan for me, theyre really uninspiring and are a downer when just setting the game up. Maybe they could do a release of just a bunch more different round goals?
Just going to say not all birds have unique powers they are unique species though
You're right, we misspoke ;-)
95 more birds? Not gonna fit in my insert. :/
I found this game too daunting,I bought the digital version and got a refund,just too hard for me,I grew up with games like Monopoly,seems the modern games have so many different rules,I prefer the simple games.
It is also hipster to bag Monopoly these days but it still outsells other games and is made for all people ,not just the snobby brainy ones.
I love birds so bought a book about Australian birds,peace.
if you really think monopoly is a good game, then you're in a trap
Ah... a cash grab. They seem to run out of thematic ideas except for nectar. They had a great original game and these unnecessary expansions are adding complexity for the sake of... well making more money.