Horwin CR6 range is a lie
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- Опубликовано: 7 ноя 2024
- Let's get to the bad news right away. Total range I got in sport mode was 63 KM. I rode around town, through some rural areas and a few hills. I weigh 195 lbs and am 5'11". Vancouver company I bought from says I should get 100 KM range in sport mode. Horwin website says 120 km and doesn't specify what mode I need to be in to achieve that. Neither sites discuss how heavy the rider should be to achieve optimal distance.
Good news this bike does really well on the hills. Much better than the Super Soco. However a couple things to note. Obviously range is garbage compared to what is advertised. I would be fine with 90+ km range but 63 km when you advertise a minimum of 100 km is false advertising. ALSO when you hit 19% the bike drops a ton of power. You will see 6:27 mark that I am doing just over 70 KM/h and without laying off the throttle it goes down to 60 km/h all by itself. I can get back to 65 or 66 at times with a long straight away but it takes a long build up. Feels very unsafe riding through town with little to no power. Really make sure you have time to pull out in front of traffic.
Not worth the money. I definitely feel lied to. Really wish the million videos I watched before buying this bike were more honest. Clearly they were paid by Horwin and not honest reviews.
I own several electric motorcycles. As a rule of thumb I find you get 10 empirical miles of distance for every kilowatt hour of storage you have of battery. So if it's a 4 KW hour battery pack you'll get 40 miles of mixed riding. Of course if you just ride 20 miles an hour the whole time you'll get a lot more but nobody does that. And these companies are always overly optimistic about their range
They really just need to have an astrix as to where they get their numbers from. If they told me it was based on a 160lb person riding super slow in the vacuum of space I might have questioned it a bit. The local company in vancouver where I bought it for some reason added an extra 10km of range to their website. So I thought 130km advertised means I should easily get 100....but sadly no. Lesson learned.
Well with cars here in America they have what they call the EPA estimated range. And they have to do so many miles of highway driving and so many miles of City driving to come up with the figure. They should have to do the same thing with motorcycles but the smaller companies get away with just lying or majorly exaggerating if you want to be euphemistic
I own one and live in the UK.
The range indicator is funny, but I assume it calculations are PIR related which I never bothered checking as it would explain the fluctuations (regen breaking aside).
I found overtime and adjusting my riding (style) greatly changed my range. My fav journey not ending in 6% but 36%.
Saying this note this is my first ever motorcycle.
My 2nd is petrol (yes I still have the horwin). It has it's purposes.
In the contrary to what I see here I am very happy with my super soco TC Max. With the standard battery I get real 80km of range with activated regen-braking (before it was 70km). Acceleration does not change down to 0% battery, maybe max speed a bit from 100kmh to 90kmh. So it is pleasently usable to the last drop of juice.
thanks for the video. Very helpful
First of all, the Horwin driver is inefficient, so it consumes a lot of energy. Currently, I have a Horwin SK3. I made 2 batteries myself, 72*50ah, a total of 72*86 Ah, and I updated it with the software. While its max power was 6.3 kW, it is now 10 kW and the engine is oil-cooled, and the driver is air-cooled, with the original software.
Max set to 90 ampere, now Max power is 135 amp,
1 gear 20 amp, 45, 50 km speed, 200 km real range,
2 gear, 50 ampere, set to 70 to 75 km Max speed, 110 to 120 km real range,
3 gear, 135 amp, Max speed is 115 km but Gosger does not show it after 99 km. If you go at 90 km Max speed, there is a clear range of 80 km. If you go at 105 km speed, there is a real range of 68 km.
The tests were done on the highway, I will add a video at a convenient time.
Dude that's impressive!! How does it feel going that fast on such a light bike? Does it handle ok?
There is no problem, I was using it with 25 kW continuous power before, it was doing 180 km speed, 110 speed does not make me feel anything.
@@slapsoldonitThe biggest problem is finding the batteries that can handle that power. The batteries of the engine exploded while charging. When there is high power, the batteries are very stressed. Even if it is a quality battery, it is necessary to use the batteries at Max 2 C.
This is my second bike, now I'm using Max 1.5 c :) It never gets tired, the batteries seem to last easily for 1000 cyle
Thanks for this test, it sure clarifies things. I've been considering one of these as a commuter bike and it'll likely suit that purpose fine. Still good to see a real-world test like this.
Would appreciate a similar test on standard.mode, if you have the inclination.
Horwin reached out to me and said I would get batter range if I was 165 lb and only went 45km/h no hills and minimal braking. So I tried that but I had the wrong SD card in the camera and it filled up before I finished. I did manage to get 86 km range though which is still a far cry from 120 km posted on the site. But I am 30lb heavier. But now I know 45km/h is actually 40km/h so not a speed I can use riding around town. Overall the bike is great and super fun to ride so far. Really impressed with the way it tackles hills.
@@slapsoldonit With any luck they'll upgrade the design in the coming months... now to lose 40 lbs!!
@@Barbreck1 lol yup!
Yup, that's why my wish was electric scooter😍 and finish @yahama, tricity 300(Perfect, just not electric).
I'm 125kgs guy. If I get something like tromox ukko s or this one... 😵💫
@@Tomaskii ya I'm kinda wishing I waited a few years to buy electric. Not quite there yet. Everything so far is great except the range. Just need 30-40 km more.
I get 55-65 km.
Riding at full throttle uses a lot of battery.
70-75km/h is a good max speed for this machine.
I bought it for 70km minimum range. Pretty disappointed. Just enough for my way to work and back in summer.
I'm just planning to swap the charger, that would improve the range a lot.
The build in charger works great, but it's just a little too slow for traveling.
I hope, there is enough space for a bigger one. 2300W max. for the socket results in a 72V 25A charger.
Any alternative is double the price.
I don't regret buying this thing. It's great for my way to work. I'll buy bigger next time.
I kinda wonder if the Super Soco with the dual batteries that can be removed and charged indoors would have been the way to go. I test drove one and just felt the power wasn't there, especially for hills which I go up a lot. I think for me I just needed a tad more distance and it would have been perfect. So close.
@@slapsoldonit No build in charger and 10Ah less capacity. Just a step backwards.
You need to pay extra for a "fast charger", which is not really fast at all.
I just ordered a 72v 25A charger. That's the largest that fits in and the most power you can get out of a regular 230V socket in Europe.
Type 2 to Schuko Adapter is on its way, too.
You can fit another 10Ah into the battery case maybe, but 18650 are extremely overpriced right now. I won't do that.
There are only 5 Packs in the 6 available slots if my eyesight is correct.
@@slapsoldonit You may want one of these:
Alrendo TS bravo (best specs for the price)
Zero S
Stormborn Thor
Stormborn thunder
Rgnt no.1
Tacita t-cruise (more than 11kw)
I'm sure, I forgot some.
The rgnt was out of my budget for a first try.
@@CyberlightFG very interesting. Thx I'll check them out.
I really want to buy one but I won't after watching this video. Even if the range is 86 Km as you mentioned below in the second test, it does not fit to what I need the bike for. It would make sense buying it only if the range was 150-180 km for real without marketing tricks. We have to wait a little bit longer to have better batteries at this price level. The view number is not reflecting the useful value of your content! Very well done Kyle, thanks!
Ya I agree. It's a great bike, but 100% not worth the money for the range you get. I wish I did more research before my purchase but that's life.
I think, it's still good value. It saves me a lot of gas money.
Sometimes you can charge for free. Not much money, but nice to have.
@@CyberlightFG its perfect if you have a car XD.I have a car and ill ise horwin just to quick moving for work,and moving in town
The maximum range of every electric motorcycle is always at very slow city speeds. There are a few manufacturers such as Zero that will give you different ranges based on different speeds. They even go so far as to give you the basic test conditions. Very few (if any) other electric motorcycle manufacturers give you all these different range specs.
I've learned that the hard way. I guess I was surprised at how much it can be off by. It's frustrating when u watch a ton of "reviews" online and no one talks about the actual range. I wanted to show people before they bought what they are getting.
@@slapsoldonit Yeah, the few actual rider reviews on the new Metacycle are showing that the 80 miles claimed range is BS under normal riding conditions. Like other manufacturers, Sondors stated top speed and range in a single statement, leading some to believe they would get that range on the highway. That is of course impossible as motorcycles have very poor aerodynamics and thus produce a ton of wind drag as speed increases.
I've had my cr6 for 2 years now and have expericened the same. Quite underwhelming. I'm surprised no company has comeout with battery upgrades or anything
it could also do with some sort of firmware upgrade or something to improve battery consuption and speedo info
Good to know it lasts a couple of years at least lol. Yes a firmware update would be great. I've also noticed mine is 5km or so higher on my speedometer than the actual speed. Is yours the same?
@@slapsoldonit Haven't noticed that as I'm in UK and use mph, seems to be true to what it states on the clock. I've not noticed anything to suggest otherwise.
also I've recently had to replace my speedo because mine stopped working after the extreme heat we had recently. Suspect that the solder melted or something. the new one cost £175. which i thought was abit ridiculous
@@Webbsy ouch!
Zero S motorcycle uses almost the same amount of power, so there is nothing a firmware could fix.
They could reduce speed or acceleration to increase milage, but I wouldn't want that.
ktm premium austrian brand is a LIE, it is INDIAN