Laser Cutting with Fusion 360

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  • @williamchamberlain2263
    @williamchamberlain2263 6 лет назад +1

    Subscribed before you even ran the logo - clear voice, concise, no hyperbole = sold

  • @andrewwilson8317
    @andrewwilson8317 5 лет назад

    No matter what way you look at it Fusion 360 has to be the most amazing piece of software ever produced? It never ceases to amaze me just what it can do! All it needs to do is learn to cook and it would be perfect!

  • @SeeCoryRun
    @SeeCoryRun 3 года назад

    Thanks a million for the post extension! So much relief after a couple days working on a pen plotter project and the normal grbl extension for Fusion not allowing me M3 and M5 commands for servo control. MIgrbl plus a slightly modified gcode works like a charm!

  • @gordonlawton8815
    @gordonlawton8815 7 лет назад +1

    Hey mate. I just added the laser ti my hypercube. I used a combination of inkscape, fusion360, slicer and excel to create a cct board. Came out perfect. Inkscape to create an outline of the tracks. Fusion ti create the 3d model. Slicer to out put a standard gcode file with 3 layers. Excell to covert to laser gcode.

  • @richmanricho
    @richmanricho 7 лет назад +32

    Go on. You know you want to fly the cardboard frame

  • @mbainrot
    @mbainrot 7 лет назад

    I wish you had've posted this a few months back :P I made the same mistake the first time. I then undersized the hole and when I tried to force the snap in switch in, well.... yeah RIP attempt #1. But my HyperCube is now functionally complete thanks to the laser additions :D
    Thanks again for all your continued work on the HyperCube, all of your effort and hard work has given many people an excellent 3D printer that is reliable and accurate. Mine is to the stage where I can just PRINT stuff, like, no stuffing around, no tongues at the right angle, just slice and print

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад +1

      Well done! It's nice to have a 3D printer that 'just works', especially after years of tweaking my previous printer.

  • @bronkula
    @bronkula 7 лет назад +4

    Great addition. Happy to support your continued efforts on the hypercube. The fact that I'm now learning Fusion 360 is a bonus.

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  • @svenoliver8311
    @svenoliver8311 7 лет назад +2

    That's a pretty impressive lasermodule!
    After I watched your video(s) today, I went out and bought a 3mm acrylic (dark grey) to test it with my 10 W laser module.
    But I didn't have the same success. Even after 20 passes at 2mm/s, no cutting through. When I just hit the "fire" button, it takes 11-12 seconds to shoot through the material.
    The claimed 10 Watts seem legit, because the over all amp draw increases by 2.3 Amps when the laser is in cutting mode...
    Like this it doesn't make great sense to me, to transfer my laser module into my 3D Printer body, although of course it would've been nice to keep up with the focus via the z-axis...
    Regards from Switzerland

    • @JT-kn6gl
      @JT-kn6gl Год назад

      you have to leave the paper on to cut through, might be the problem

  • @spikekent
    @spikekent 7 лет назад +3

    I did not know about the create base feature option. Very handy tip.

  • @UncleDiddles
    @UncleDiddles 4 года назад

    blue painters tape on the underside of the acrylic, and on the bed itself, superglue between the two. Will hold everything in place and then simply pull off when finished, used all the time in CNC machining.

  • @InventorsFactory
    @InventorsFactory 7 лет назад +7

    Thanks alot, this is a great video to start going into fusion 360 with laser cutting in mind, as I've wanted that for some time now ;)
    Keep updating my Feed :)

  • @timroach5898
    @timroach5898 4 года назад

    Fusion 360 I believe has a holding tab option. Add a small tab where the laser does not cut a very small section of the outline at each corner and it will stay put. Then when its finished you snap it out!

  • @markoroolaid
    @markoroolaid 4 года назад

    WOW - that was a pleasure to watch, well done :) Love what you are doing! Keep it up.Iam now your channel subscriber

  • @SJamesW
    @SJamesW 6 лет назад

    I've found that the warping of acrylic usually happens if the laser is cutting too slowly and the acrylic is getting too hot. Turn down the power, or turn up the speed and do more passes. :)

  • @gordonlawton8815
    @gordonlawton8815 7 лет назад

    I used excel to delete the extruder commands. Reverse the z movement. And use the different speeds between extrude and travel to determine where to turn the laser on and off. I used VBA in excel to do it so can convert and gcode in seconds. Just neex to make sure all layers are the same speed and set the travel speed to at least double the extrude speed to make to laser point clear.

  • @makestuffwithkids989
    @makestuffwithkids989 7 лет назад

    Great video. Thanks for posting. Quick tip. Instead, of selecting all the inside loops you can select the face and then use the "loops - Inside loops" option. I hope this helps.

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад +1

      I tried this, it didn't work for me. That would have made it so much easier.

    • @birdmun
      @birdmun 7 лет назад

      Could you have selected everything and then deselected the outside?

  • @karlfimm
    @karlfimm 7 лет назад

    Having both a 3d printer and a laser is certainly useful. I've often designed a simple 3d printed part, looked at the build time, and turned it into a laser cut part instead as that can be 100x faster. (I have an 80W laser).

    • @slome815
      @slome815 7 лет назад

      My main problem with both is that cheap low power lasers, and 3D printers are not usable for any metal. With most 3 printers you are also limited to rather weak plastics (like PLA ABS or PETG).
      A CNC milling machine will do all plastics and metal, and 3D forms are not a problems. If you have a fourth axis you can also do undercuts without problem. It also is 100 times as fast as a 3d printer, and you have no problems with layer separation, warping, or any of that nonsense.

    • @raymondbradford3328
      @raymondbradford3328 7 лет назад

      Would you print the 3D printer parts for me in the UK so I could build a printer as well, I will pay for the part and postage.

  • @hk07666
    @hk07666 5 лет назад +4

    8:00 Wouldn't it be easier to select the whole thing and then unselect the outer area?

  • @thebeststooge
    @thebeststooge 7 лет назад +3

    I gave up on this blue laser being able to engrave nicely so I went out and bought a K40 CO2 laser engraver and cutter.

    • @karadanvers6136
      @karadanvers6136 4 года назад

      were you able to use fusion to cut with the K40? i've tried inkscape but i like fusion more. is it possible to design in fusion and export to k40?

  • @JonathanHuizingh
    @JonathanHuizingh 7 лет назад

    On the part where you select all of the small shapes to cut on the first pass, you could do a window select rather than clicking on each shape. If you drag from left to right, it selects all geometry completely within the window. From Right to left, it selects all geometry which has any part within your window. So, if you drag a small window only containing the small shapes from left to right, you could get most of them in one click and drag.

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад

      Nope, when I click and try to drag a box, nothing happens. No box is drawn. It seems I can only click a shape that gets highlighted by the mouse-over.

    • @JonathanHuizingh
      @JonathanHuizingh 7 лет назад

      Tech2C interesting. Maybe it doesn't work in the mode you were using. I've only used modeling mode but assumed it would work the same.

  • @sqwert654
    @sqwert654 7 лет назад

    You could add some tabs to stop the problem. I think 360 has an option for doing that for CNC cutting.

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад

      That's a good idea. I did see that option but haven't tried it yet.

  • @mzeemitchell
    @mzeemitchell 6 лет назад +1

    Thanks for the good vid. Do you have any idea how to get fusion 360 to simply etch an area rather than just etch the line around the area? Thanks!

  • @connormccarter9581
    @connormccarter9581 7 лет назад

    I wonder if you could soak the corrugated board in an epoxy resin. Or maybe cut card stock and soak it in resin. Might be a really fun experiment... But this is a really informative video. Thank you!

  • @hans-joachimbierwirth4727
    @hans-joachimbierwirth4727 7 лет назад +1

    Maybe you should do a video talking about the problems with exaggerated claims in the description of chinese diode laser modules. Some vendors are selling 2.5W lasers labeled upto 7.5W, others are selling 1W lasers as 2.5W, many sell 1.5W lasers labeled 3.5W and i guess lots of people have problems with laser modules not matching their expectations. In some cases reading carefully can help, in other cases it is pure guesswork if one isn't familiar with technical details that can be identified.

  • @Mark95621
    @Mark95621 7 лет назад

    Adding my vote for adding tabs. Could simply edit final pass to add tabs, so they are already half way through. Also isn't there a multiple passes option so you don't need to duplicate the operation? I know this works for CNC but not sure on laser. Nice work keep it up!!

  • @thelookingglass1737
    @thelookingglass1737 7 лет назад +1

    Hum.... food for thought there!
    How about you soak that cardboard in epoxy resin see what happens.
    Great stuff!
    Thumbs up from The Looking Glass

  • @elzariantlp4594
    @elzariantlp4594 6 лет назад

    Hello, very nice tutorial. Is it just an impression or did you definitively engrave your aluminium bed during that test ?

  • @WhiteXCr0w
    @WhiteXCr0w 7 лет назад

    I have a question about the Milling attachment you're planning for the hypercube. What materials will/is it being designed with in mind? I know PCBs but are you including wood in that? and metal?

  • @vizionthing
    @vizionthing 7 лет назад

    Just test fitted the x axis on my HC still a long way to go but I swear I'll have a laser running by the end of Jan next year!

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад +1

      Tick tock, end of Jan next year is fast approaching...

  • @guywolf3674
    @guywolf3674 7 лет назад

    It would be just great if you would do a complete hypercube build with all the final parts (and maybe a Titan Aero) but with 30×30 aluminum and 2 z axis motors. What do you think?
    Admire you badly,
    Guy

  • @srmofoable
    @srmofoable 7 лет назад +1

    What program are you using for sending g code? It sounds like you are saying proto face and closed captioning confirms this, but I can't find any program named such.

    • @birdmun
      @birdmun 7 лет назад +1

      pronterface aka printrun. It is hosted on github github.com/kliment/Printrun

  • @tobylarone3831
    @tobylarone3831 7 лет назад +1

    Do you think the 5w laser from banggood is worth it or is the 2.5w enough ?

  • @No1sonuk
    @No1sonuk 5 лет назад

    For the outer perimeter, would it not have been quicker to duplicate the inner again and edit the selected mesh?

  • @ahmedashraf-bn8rt
    @ahmedashraf-bn8rt 2 года назад

    nice work i have tried to use cps file you have attached but when post processing with fusion i got an error telling me that my post processor needs to be re-certified? could you help me?

  • @devalopr
    @devalopr 7 лет назад +2

    @Tech2C I don't know if diy electronics are your thing but is it possible to mill a PCB with a small milling motor and pcb milling bit on hypercube?

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад +1

      It will come, soon(tm)

    • @devalopr
      @devalopr 7 лет назад

      awesome!

  • @VikasTechBytes
    @VikasTechBytes 5 лет назад

    Thank you so much for the tutorial.
    I wan to know about how to set-up .cps file for Ender 3 for laser cutting?

  • @coilhead3168
    @coilhead3168 6 лет назад

    This Tutorial Is Brilliant, what Profile wil work for a Creality Cr10S 3d printer?

    • @melvi8834
      @melvi8834 5 лет назад

      hi...have you find what to put in post processor for a creality?

  • @Dejawolfs
    @Dejawolfs 6 лет назад

    cooler than laser sharks.

  • @metzUK
    @metzUK 4 года назад

    Excellent video, thanks! I'm guessing this is no longer accessible, right? Is the CAM extension the same as Manufacturing? If it is, $125/month is a little steep for the hobbyist.

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  4 года назад +1

      There is a personal license for hobbyists which is free.

    • @metzUK
      @metzUK 4 года назад

      @@Tech2C I'll investigate further, thanks :)

  • @Iridium1O
    @Iridium1O 7 лет назад

    Love these videos, wish you could explain how you made that post configuration file. I tried using your hyperion cps file on my wanhao i3, and although it is running marlin firmware, it was a bit glitchy and I had to manually edit gcode to turn on laser on some parts. Thanks for contributing!

  • @michaelgoodfellow4992
    @michaelgoodfellow4992 7 лет назад

    When I do that same kind of thing, my cardboard is visibly burning during the cut, and leaves charred cardboard all over my fingers afterwards. On acrylic, if I don't remove the paper first, I get a burnt piece of paper lying in the cut. I'm using the laser you link to. What do you think the problem is?
    Also, are you just running outside all the time? I built a cardboard hood for mine, and it still stank up my apartment!

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад +1

      Double check you have focused the laser beam as tight as possible, and have the laser at that exact distance from the cardboard when cutting. Yes, whilst cutting this cardboard my room was filling with smoke. I had a window open but still took a couple hours to vent the smell. If you're cutting acrylic then definitely do it outside - that smell is toxic!

    • @michaelgoodfellow4992
      @michaelgoodfellow4992 7 лет назад

      The safety goggles linked in your original post were very bad. So many ripples in the plastic that I can hardly tell when the beam is focused! I'll try again.

  • @alexlud1897
    @alexlud1897 7 лет назад

    hy
    a great video, thump up
    a question. why i can't do the conversion from stl to objekt.
    a message is comming, too many facets. PLZ HELP :-)
    thx

  • @TheDudeGuyBroManPerson
    @TheDudeGuyBroManPerson 7 лет назад

    I was wondering if you still have your old prusa i3 software and if so, could you please send me it. I bought a prusa i3 about 2-4 years ago and the software I downloaded from the website didn’t match up with my model so I put it on hold. But now I finally have the time to start up my printer and I could not find the right software anywhere for my printer besides finding your videos with my exact same model.
    Thank you so much for your time, -Beau

  • @stefaandeconinck1531
    @stefaandeconinck1531 6 лет назад

    How mm leather i could cut with a 2500 laser diode? Super video’s man

  • @TheLarsUrban
    @TheLarsUrban 4 года назад

    Awesome video!! Also your .cps file works great with the Snapmaker laser module. The snapmaker.cps only supports cnc. The gcode from the Snapmaker program is just crap.

  • @ryan-dewitt
    @ryan-dewitt 6 лет назад

    Nice fusion work

  • @3dgussner958
    @3dgussner958 7 лет назад

    Again a great video, thanks.

  • @spikeydapikey1483
    @spikeydapikey1483 7 лет назад +2

    Excellent stuff!!

  • @twgray2007
    @twgray2007 6 лет назад

    Is the .stl file for this quad on thinkaverse or available elsewhere?

  • @mackocour
    @mackocour 7 лет назад

    But will the cardboard quadcopter fly?

  • @georgecorrea6302
    @georgecorrea6302 6 лет назад

    Good Morning,
    Do you have actually this vector in DXF so I can make a test with my machine:

  • @airborn101st
    @airborn101st 5 лет назад

    how do you edit those yellow lines if a few of them need to be corrected?

  • @theancientones3755
    @theancientones3755 5 лет назад

    What firmware were you using on your laser machine

  • @janwiersma1449
    @janwiersma1449 7 лет назад

    mmm how about carbon fiber?
    will it make the cut?

  • @ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt
    @ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt 6 лет назад

    How about a drag knife attachment?

  • @samuelyeaton6648
    @samuelyeaton6648 4 года назад

    Just bought my first laser! Trying to model in Fusion 360 and upload in LaserGRBL. When I do this the laser leaves corner material as it decelerates. Anyone know how to fix this? I tested a cut only using GRBL software for a random image and did not have this problem.
    Please Help!!

  • @toinevanderwielen9508
    @toinevanderwielen9508 6 лет назад

    I'm having trouble with the Post processor. I don't know how to select the hypercube.cps file in for generating the g-code. When clicking on the postprocessor menu I get a different menu than the video shows. But I get a exstensive list of post processing modes though. Which is best to choose for an 2500 W Banggood laser cutter? Does anyone got an idea?

  • @joeynuggetz
    @joeynuggetz 7 лет назад

    Would like to retrofit my Prusa so it works with a laser.

  • @Wodpuncher001
    @Wodpuncher001 6 лет назад

    Is it possible to cut a sheet of carbon fibre?

  • @RobinGantois
    @RobinGantois 7 лет назад

    What firmeware are u using?

  • @radiorob007
    @radiorob007 7 лет назад

    a question?
    this is now with 2.5W laser
    would not it be better with something more power?
    for example with 3.5W?
    friendly greetings from The Netherlands!
    Rob.

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад

      Bigger is better if you wish to cut. Engraving doesn't need as much power.
      Greetings from Australia :)

    • @birdmun
      @birdmun 7 лет назад

      I have seen a 15W module on ebay for about 280 usd. The problem I see is that you are only about 100 usd from a k40 at that point with more power and a larger bed.

    • @radiorob007
      @radiorob007 7 лет назад

      ok thank you for reply!
      15W is too much! (I think!)
      What a pity you did not buy a 3.5W laser.
      that seems to me more interesting!
      Kind regards from the Netherlands again.
      Rob.

  • @Knobiks
    @Knobiks 7 лет назад +4

    i think leaving tabs between acrylic base and frame to cutout at the end would be a better idea then this process of cutting inside to outside.

  • @cristianconrads9109
    @cristianconrads9109 7 лет назад

    The outside operation could have been also a duplicate then just reselect what to cut, easer :)

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад

      Yes, correct.

  • @AndrewGilmour-qld
    @AndrewGilmour-qld 6 лет назад

    Hi I downloaded your HyperCube.cps file and edited it to use M3 and M5 for my laser cutter, in most cases it worked, but some time it turned the laser on before going to the start of the first cut,and some times it does not turn the laser off between cuts.
    eg
    M117 Starting...
    M5 ;Laser/Fan OFF
    G21 ;Metric Values
    G17 ;Plane XY
    G90 ;Absolute Positioning
    G92 X0 Y0 Z0 ;Set XYZ Positions
    G0 F1000
    G0 Z2 ;Position Z
    M400
    M117 AUSTRALIA
    G1 X-32.176 Y-52.444 Z2
    M3 S1000
    G1 X-30.055 F250
    G1 X-31.272 Y-48.98
    G1 X-32.464 Y-52.444
    G1 X-32.176
    M5
    above is what I want , below is what I get
    M400
    M117 AUSTRALIA
    M3 S1000
    G1 X-32.176 Y-52.444 Z2
    G1 X-30.055 F250
    G1 X-31.272 Y-48.98
    G1 X-32.464 Y-52.444
    G1 X-32.176
    M5

  • @nenaddinic9326
    @nenaddinic9326 4 года назад

    I followed the tutorial, but when I try to cut some shape, my printer always leaves 5mm uncut and always at the beginning. What can be the issue? I am using anet a8 with ramps and marlin.

    • @michal_king478
      @michal_king478 3 года назад

      did you find a solution? I have the same problem. The shapes are always connected to the board by a few mm of material but when I simulate in fusion 360, it looks like its supposed to cut all the way but it doesnt

    • @nenaddinic9326
      @nenaddinic9326 3 года назад +1

      @@michal_king478 I put pause for a half a second or so after it starts to cut. Laser is on, then half a second delay. You need to do this every time the laser is stopped and then turned back on. I modified some file in fusion 360, so it add this command automaticaly. I think this is because it turn on laser a bit late, at the time the laser is on, it already moved a bit. This was over year ago, cant remember all the details. Sorry english is not my native language, its hard for me to explain. Hope I helped.

    • @michal_king478
      @michal_king478 3 года назад

      @@nenaddinic9326 thank you :D

  • @dunichtich100
    @dunichtich100 7 лет назад

    Where do you buy your acrylic plates?^^

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад +1

      Gumtree, or Banggood.

    • @dunichtich100
      @dunichtich100 7 лет назад

      Tech2C thank you verry much for this quick answer :D

  • @walteralbano
    @walteralbano 4 года назад

    How to engrave pictures with fusion 360 ?!??????

  • @madasamyramasamy6297
    @madasamyramasamy6297 4 года назад

    How much this machine cost to india....

  • @smith1401
    @smith1401 7 лет назад

    How about double-sided tape? :D

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад

      Good idea.

  • @Exaltar
    @Exaltar 5 лет назад +1

    I know I'm really immature for thinking this and then going as far to post it as well...
    But I have to... One of the file names is I noticed when loading your .stl file is...
    Doggy.stl... XD

  • @raymondbradford3328
    @raymondbradford3328 7 лет назад

    Would you print the 3D printer parts for me in the UK so I could build a printer as well, I will pay for the part and postage.

  • @borisjohnson1944
    @borisjohnson1944 7 лет назад +1

    Are you the same guy who does the EEVBlog

  • @KarolisBorkertas
    @KarolisBorkertas 7 лет назад

    vinyl cutter next

  • @Henchman1977
    @Henchman1977 7 лет назад +1

    Could you power the laser cooling fan separately? It's distracting hearing it power on and off like that. 😀

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад +2

      Haha, you're lucky you can't smell the huge amount of smoke created whilst laser cutting - now that's distracting :P

    • @RobB_VK6ES
      @RobB_VK6ES 7 лет назад

      just another reason to use a fully enclosed machine. noxious gasses can be controlled and evacuated as well as adding important eye protection from the laser.

    • @Iridium1O
      @Iridium1O 7 лет назад

      Good idea, would probably increase durability of laser as well, as it would be cooling while the laser is traveling over to the next cutting line. As opposed to just turning on and off with the laser.

  • @RadaROnlyOne
    @RadaROnlyOne 7 лет назад +1

    Excelent!

  • @nbanggi1730
    @nbanggi1730 6 лет назад

    nice

  • @alexandrebertolinAB
    @alexandrebertolinAB 7 лет назад

    Hello Friend. I like your video. I need help. I have a 3d printer that I set up following some videos on the internet. The printer from time to time stopped connecting to the computer via the pronterface and the repeater. All the ports are configured normally on the computer and the arduino, already I switched of computer but nevertheless does not work more, what could have happened? Help me please. SOS

  • @salehsahory9658
    @salehsahory9658 7 лет назад

    wondurfull as alwes
    when we gonna see ur face at vedio :))

  • @edwinestevez5369
    @edwinestevez5369 7 лет назад

    Excelent

  • @originalmianos
    @originalmianos 7 лет назад

    Soak it with two part resin and fly it away.

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад

      That's the spirit!

  • @asalbct1973
    @asalbct1973 5 лет назад

    im confused

  • @hegedusrp
    @hegedusrp 7 лет назад

    8:30 thug life

  • @scottmcdonnell7559
    @scottmcdonnell7559 5 лет назад

    Are any hobbyists really paying $500 a year for a subscription to Fusion360?

    • @ianlevitt6920
      @ianlevitt6920 5 лет назад +1

      Only stupid ones as it's free for hobbyists.

  • @lotscenedave
    @lotscenedave 3 года назад

    this seems way too complicated

  • @BaldurNorddahl
    @BaldurNorddahl 7 лет назад +3

    You need a faster computer...

    • @Tech2C
      @Tech2C  7 лет назад +3

      My PC: Ryzen R7 1700 @ 3.7GHz (OC), 16GB DDR4-3200 CL14 RAM, Asrock b350 MB, Samsung 960 EVO 512GB NVME SSD, RX570 GPU...
      I think the application is either un-optimized, or the whole 'in-the-cloud' application lock is slowing it down.

  • @joematarc5245
    @joematarc5245 5 лет назад

    crap software .
    with RDworks, I just tell it to cut the inside first. takes me 5 seconds.
    I don't know what the developers are thinking when they create this so counter intuitive pieces of garbage.
    you would do it faster by hand, then using CNC technology

  • @DrigitaRygen
    @DrigitaRygen 5 лет назад

    Is it possible to cut 3mm carbon fiber sheet using the laser?