'Every building that's bombed is a recruiting sergeant for Hamas' | Aaron Bastani & Peter Hitchens
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2023
- Bev Turner asks Peter Hitchens and Aaron Bastani what they think about the protests taking place on the streets of London in support of Palestine and Hamas.
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Tony Blair flung the borders open to this
And if, as currently seems likely, Starmer wins next year it'll be Blair running the country on behalf of his billionaire friends.
@@veryhappychappy12That maggot Blair and his team are definitely pulling snake Starmers strings, he should be arrested for what he has done to this country and the mess he has made in the middle east.
@@veryhappychappy12Silly boy.
100% correct.@@veryhappychappy12
😂
This is what i want from my media and debates. Hitchens and bastani. Not parrots on sky news.
Very interesting conversation. Would never see this on MSM
Agreed! It is refreshing. As a person, that refuses to choose a side. Hearing two sides discussed in a civilized way, is what we need allot more of in modern media.
@@RonanTOCBoth have been on the BBC many times.
@@hmq9052so has Jimmy saville.
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Her tweet was not "inproper" it was grossley insensitive, inhumane and glorifying evil.
But it's perfectly ok for Palestinian babies to die under the Israel Terror campaign.
It was also telling. I'm glad scum like that expose themselves. We need to know who they are.
@@goodyeoman4534 you advocating going after female journalists little man, bet it was you who did Dando because she was about to expose your paedo ring.
Bastani is a seething Marxist pretending to be civil.
Has Rivkah Brown been asked to resign from her position at Novara Media and if not why not. Has she been interviewed under caution by the British police for wholeheartedly supporting a terrorist organisation and if not why not. Laurence Fox was arrested for hurting someones feelings. Think about the double standard being applied here.
Has the BBC demanded that Novara media be shut down because one of its staff said something vile?
Novara is the home of Woke/ Left wing supporting middle classes and right on students who are pro Palestine / Hamsa supporters with the occasional communist thrown in for good measure (take a bow Ash ) .
She should have more sense. What is being celebrated on the streets of the UK is that it's ok to define _your freedom_ as the right to randomly murder people because they've only been your neighbours for 1, 2 or 3 generations. That should be an arrestable offence.
You nailed that !
Spot on !!
Thank you ! You are 100 percent correct !
She is apparently Jewish as well which in my mind makes it exponentially worse. Imagine saying that about your own, clearly will say anything for a promotion which she will no doubt get
Laurence Fox und Dan Wooton cancelled for remarks that in comparison to hers are innocuos. Do the math!
Wootton has been under a cloud for a few months now due to his catfishing (and possibly blackmailing) activities. His bosses just needed an excuse to ditch him as they try to clean up their image.
Exactly!
Ironically, it was Fox's employer, this 'pro free-speech' channel, that cancelled him. Novara media on the other hand, that 'woke-lefty' channel, accepted their employees apology and moved on. Do some more maths, please.
Dress it up all yer want but I suspect the reality is that the majority of Britons neither Trust nor Want Muslims in our country ..
I live in Oxford, and they have been a nightmare
Wait till all them young illegal immigrants brought into our country get the knod from their handlers .
I think the real issue is that certain sects Muslims are not interested in assimilating - they want their religious laws and practices to supersede British laws and practices, that is why we have many problems when the two worlds collide.
I said something similar and got a warning. Have you
Well you need to Support Palestine or Isreal will shovel them this way after erasing Palestine in total. Who do you want Isreali Jews or Palestinian Muslims....!?!
What that "apology" means is - "I'm sorry this didn't get me the applause I was expecting"
Or, "sorry I didn't think I would get called out, since I am so punch-drunk on my own self-righteousness"
Pathetic woman!
Did those little girls in the Liverpool Arena oppress the Palestinians?
No they didn't oppressed the palastines
Our government bombed the shit in Iraq,Afghanistan, so our Government responsible, killings thousands of civilians fact....
What happened?
Do you mean the MEN Arena , Manchester.
@@stevensarson482Yes silly me and geography is my best subject!
Tony Blair has more blood on his hands than anyone.
no. mohammed has.
I feel for the kids,they will be brainwashed,like many of the older people were,it will never end.
the sad fact is that things are never going to change when your Greandmother throws you sweets on hearing of the deaths of Jews.
And when your grandmother celebrates dispossessing Palestinians from their land, blockading medicines and killing children through denial of healthcare.
@@dickyt1318 have you been to isreal on flag day
i feel sorry for those kids living in an open air prison, while they can see their lands being occupied by settler colonialists partying
That’s why they have to wipe the Gaza Strip out. How peaceful would this world be without Muslims
I’ve spoken to her and she doesn’t think that.
Normally, somebody writes out what they think.
What a load of BS.
She enthusiastically and energetically believes it.
bastani seems like a nice amiable chap , but he is the one that employs all those commie lunatics and defends them , he is the smiling face of the devil
Get off, Peter. Those people are Arabs, Afghans and Pakistanis.
British my arse, whatever their passport of convenience may say.
I’m sorry for the people of both Israel and Gaza. But, as an Englishman, I’m too busy clinging on to what is left my OWN identity to worry about other people. Right now, the sneering left, who run our universities, media, arts and publishing industry are doing all they can to make me hate and reject my history and culture.
Mate, I get it, but what does that have to do with Israel and Hamas?
Well said Judy.
And incase you haven't noticed, there are a lot of Jews and Muslims who would say the English don't have a right to their homeland.
Oh no poor you!
@87stevan who ever has rights to any land really? Lands were never given, only taken as a result of force against an existing occupier or competitor for the same space. Kings, Queens, colonisers, feudal warlords all acquired their Lands through force, or very rarely through trade.
The people of Palestine voted in hamas over fatah. They chose to elect a terrorist regime over fatah who had almost good relations with Israel. I guess what I’m saying is that Palestinians voted for their own demise, the only ones I feel sorry for is the children who can’t vote
When people tell you who they are, believe them.
Blair the evil child slayer, cant help himself, more blood on his hands then a butcher. Despicable
If any man on this earth had three sixes hidden on his body somewhere Tony Blair would be the most likely candidate.
@@Stevo73660Idiot.
GB News have been criticized for suspending/sacking Wootton and
Fox, but actually this is what I was hoping for when GB News was launched. Top quality guests speaking eloquently about important current affairs; not tabloid chat about Meghan and Harry.
Top quality guests???🤣🤣🤣🤣 bastani is abhorrent
Never underestimate how depraved people can be - in word, deed and thought.
Peter caught him out with his obfuscating over that women's vile post. In fact, most of what Ive seen coming out of Novara has been of a similar ilk, shown their true faces over the past few days, as have many out there...
Haven't people been saying for years: Israel is breaking international law. We must sort this situation or it will get worse. *It gets worse*
So now Novara are saying: We need to sort this situation, not make it worse . . .
If you're implying they are celebrating violence, I haven't seen that; anymore than politicians unequivocally supporting Israel are celebrating buildings collapsing on children. It might be implicit from both sides, but actually celebrating death is a step further, I think.
Apologised? That doesn't cancel what she said.
Hitchens is spot-on here.
@@TOM-TOM-TOM
Religious law is no law! You can't equate religious laws with legal laws. Religious laws carry no sanctity.
@@TOM-TOM-TOMthe Quran does NOT tell Muslims to kill. Thats bollocks.
@@TOM-TOM-TOMwhich is why they have no place in UK, EU, USA.
@@firathussein4136Why don’t you tell us about islams relationship & attitude to Jews & us infidels..
@@Shankar-Bhaskarbut muslims ignores this as they feel they’re superior & even push for their laws in our countries
Brown's remark is beyond "inappropriate." It's indicative of the mental and moral weakness of the misgendered
Exactly. It's good that she apologized, but can you just apologize your way out of celebrating infants being slaughtered?
@@Sokrabiadesno you can’t. Because the initial comment comes from the natural instinct, the apology comes from her bank balance
Context is important... 95% of deaths over last 15 years have been Palestinians
Mental and moral weakness of the misgendered. 😂Let's unpack that comment do you mean she should not have a say because she is a women, she should what make her money off her back then give it to you Tate's mini me. Morals if you are condoning either side in this war sitting on your phone, your only position is drinking on a Saturday afternoon and mouthing off. That's the definition of a coward since a man is defined by his actions. Feel free to come to me for lessons in how to be a man, I will charge you less than Tate does!
So she makes a horrifying tweet, gets too much heat and "apologies". And that's ok then is it?
You’ve never said anything you later regret online?
@@liamconlon4375she’s an editor of a - fairly popular- news organisation, that I would assume, is wanting - like GB news - to be taken more seriously. It was a very, very damaging thing to say, personally and professionally. She’s not in a position as an average Joe who can just apologise and it’s okay. She should understand this.
@@Alex-mj5dv yeah I agree. But are you suggesting people should just get fired for writing a bad tweet and then apologising for it? People should be allowed to make a few mistakes. If it's not a consistent pattern of behaviour and there's evidence of reflection and change then I don't think it's a big deal.
@@liamconlon4375 I would say, at any company, of which NM is one, if an editor or director makes a breach of code of conduct online, they would be fired or required to leave. Alison Rose made a breach regarding disclosure of NF account - she’s left in disgrace. The mechanics are the same here, but a moral issue and not a wholly policy lead issue (however, it’s a grey area if her tweet is incitement and advocacy of a terror act.. it could stray easily into the illegal.. even worse for her, and Aaron, who you can tell is embarrassed).
It’s happened to Laurence Fox, for something much more innocuous on this very channel. I think - and she seemed sober too - inciting to terror violence and praising the loss of life as a necessity (when it was clearly civilians too) is much worse, particularly in her position.
She also tweeted quickly without maybe knowing the full context - as Aaron said, to try and bring some sort of milquetoast reasoning to her behaviour - well, given that even, I would question her journalistic integrity and ability and overall intellectuality in doing that, over such a volatile topic and area of the globe. If she were editor anywhere else, or lower down the rung, she’d be fired. And I would now question how she got to the head NM in the first place given this charade. They want to be taken seriously, and often look like a classroom of sixth formers making mistake on mistake. If they want to be taken seriously, don’t tweet with abandon, and no context, as if she is an anonymous school kid, she’s not. The rigorous school of journalism Peter went to and Douglas Murray still does, was actually fairly gonzo and on the ground, before it was even really a named thing - they go, they explore, they question, they look at context, they try to remove the ideological glasses.. the opposite of Brown. The NM lot unfortunately are young, and think that tweeting opinion on Twitter / X is enough to call yourself a journalist these days. I’m not saying they all need to be authors, have print media columns, and the experience of Peter.. but they need to learn, sponge and work towards that more. Aaron, case in point, I disagree with him vehemently, but respect him and listen.
I generally agree and think she should be embarrassed. But yeah, don’t think we should fire people for making a dumb tweet. Especially if they apologise and it’s not a consistent pattern of behaviour. If she’d kept tweeting afterwards and doubled down then yeah I think the criticism would be more warranted. There’s so many journalists who’ve said and done worse who still have jobs so I don’t know why this person is being singled out as uniquely worthy of sacking.
I appreciate the calm tone & discussion. People need to UNDERSTAND not scream & hear outrage. Although I am outraged at Hamas. I am also SAD for the Palestines 😢
GB news you are allowed to have opinions unlike the BBC
Outrage for one side and “sadness” for the other is how genocides happen.
Hi yes what Hamas did is very bad but what Israel do on a daily basis systematic ethnic cleansing it's worse and would you like to be hostage in your 🏠 for 16+ years tortured killed your food being controlled Israeli tortured and killed massacred Palestinians before Hamas
Hamas committed war crimes, that does not however justify war crimes in retaliation
Wake up. Opinion mongers in this panel make a good living out of agitating the population.
Good Peter didn’t storm out of this one
He "actively dislikes you". 😉
And we Brits will have to put up with the refugees
So who gave Palestine to the European zionists?
Not if we follow Pakistan's example and just expell millions of undocumented migrants.
Mehhhhhhhhh.
Was a load of them on the train today, kitted out in North Face, flashing their free passes and dumping their rubbish all over the tables. Very enriching.
Based on what Israel suffered I don’t think we will have many refugees
Finally on GB News, an intelligent, calm, genuinely insightful discussion between two opposed, but knowledgeable and respectful individuals, and hosted effectively. This was excellent and thought provoking.
No because they attacked a fellow journalist with ad hominem attacks about her character and asked Aaron to defend her. He politely declined and tried to engage in debate but was continually dragged back to defending someone he works with. I don't know what you were watching but it was not a good or well mannered debate where both sides respected the same boundaries!
It’s a-shame that the host doesn’t have a clue
@@michaelhuggins8513correct
@@ianwright389 Yes. They very rightly called out the hypocrisy of the left when it comes to hate speech. They quickly moved on from that however unlike sly news or the BBC or other left wing outlets who would base the entire debate upon it and go nowhere else.
@@jamietherooster sky news owned by Murdoch who owns about 40% of the press here 50% of the press in Australia both places with right wing governments, one of his editors wrote speeches for Thatcher before she was PM he literally paved the way for Thatchers conservative government, that left wing media. Sit down read a book because your Chatting rubbish, go educate yourself before you make another post, people will lose brain cells reading your responses!
Hitchens is spot on
Many Judes were once isolated and contained in ghettoes. The ghetto i Warsaw had little to no food and water, but they managed to smuggle in weapons and explosives. Their leaders organized an uprising and killed many nazies..before they themselves got killed. 2 years later the nazies lost the war and was condemned by most people in the world. Does anyone today regard the uprising in Warsaw as morally wrong ?
@@ellengran6814is Israel rounding up Muslims and killing them in their millions or are they destroying building being used to launch rockets into Israel and accidentally killing civilians who are being used as meat shields by hamas? Let's see if you will engage honestly.
@@ellengran6814the uprising in Warsaw wasn’t a massacre of women and children lmao, what an idiotic comparison.
@@ellengran6814 Not the same by any stretch of imagination. What people like me who had plenty of Sympathy with people living in Gaza find repulsive, vile, and deprived , behand Humanity is the butchering, beheading rape of civilians while shouting - ALLAH AKBAR! As seen on the screen. Hamas and Israel bomb each others, knowing very well that civilians, women and children will be killed, that is the essence of war. But! as far as I know not a German women was raped, dismembered, no German child was wilfully killed of beheaded in the Warsaw uprising. Comparing what happened in 1940 in Warsaw to the animalistic attack on Saturday is simply absurd. When they were mutilating, beheading raping , killing they were doing in face to face watching their terrified faces, screaming in fear and pain, It takes a deprived, degenerate, inhumane scum, to commit such bestialities.
@@ellengran6814 Idiotic comparison indeed. It's funny but I didn't see a single attack on actual IDF soldiers on Saturday. No, they attacked families. Typical muslim terrorists. Cowards, as per usual.
Bravo Mr. Hitchens, a real, truthful, factual analogy...
His brother was twice the man this puddle of dog mess is
@@BobSmith-hn4pvthat still makes him 8 times the man you are.
@@earendil261 you sound like "one of the staff" doffing you cap to the master... Cretin
He's a dog
Send me location
Improper? How about disgusting, disgraceful, evil. Of course she meant it.
He calls the vile woman's words 'improper'...what!! He is as sick as she is!
I wonder if many of our MP's mean it when they say Israel can deny ordinary Palestinians water, electricity, food, ect. Is mass genocide acceptable? Is it better or worse than Ms Brown's improper tweet? They are meant to be the mature voice of care and reason. Should we hear an apology from them also?
@@truthseeker7612 Career politicians mature voices of care and reason what century are you living in? That women openly supported the murder of innocent woman and children. I hope karma bites her.
Lock her up
@@truthseeker7612good. Deny those animals.
Mr hitchens is top guy
Except that time a few days ago where he completely went off the rails during an interview with Alex O'conner. He comes across as a horrible piece of work
Blair is a murdering war criminal and giving his muttering air time without making this clear is disgusting!
People forget the war crime to invade Iraq which killed many people with. lies
Blair responded to 9/11.
Israel now responding to their 9/11.
Let's hope they don't get labeled the same as Blair
Great to hear Tony Bliar rooting for diplomacy. For someone responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands if not millions of innocent Arabs, maybe he should keep his trap shut.
Who asked the people of Sheffield if they wanted the the flag above Sheffield town hall
Can you imagine flying the South African flag back in the early eighties
Did you complain about the thousands of rainbow flags that go up on Town Halls around the country?
Which flag?
Except there is no comparison between Israel and apartheid South Africa. Arab Israelis have exactly the same rights and civil liberties as Jewish Israelis. Israel doesn't allow Palestinians in precisely because of the threat of what happened this week.
Not true Jewish Israelis can’t marry Arab Israelis
Arab Israelis are classed as second class citizens
Christian Israeli are spit on in the street
That’s classic apartheid @@stracepipe
@@stracepipe yeah it’s not like every single figure that lived under south african apartheid have shown immense solidarity with the Palestinian people. Nelson Mandela said “our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinian people”. Desmond Tutu said “It reminds me of apartheid” when he visited occupied Palestine. Israel is a racially supremacist state that denies interfaith and interracial marriages, the right of return is only for jewish people not palestinian people. This is an ethnostate just as apartheid south africa was.
Blair who should be facing a war crimes trial should keep his nose out
It's still possible to view on RUclips, Palistinians celebrating the deaths of 3000 people in the aftermath of 9/11.
Christopher Hitchens got me through high school but every time I listen to Peter Hitchens I feel like I have matriculated and moved onto university. Too many mainstream outlets dont give him airtime because he insists on discussing matters maturely rather than just spurting out sound bites
Very well put.
He said the convenient 5% and omitted the inconvenient 95%.
That's worse than lying.
Christopher Hitchens had a talent for sounding "edgy", but he was a pretty shallow and superficial thinker.
Peter doesn't have the same flare for dramatics but he's a much smarter man.
@@julianpetkov8320 okay so you know something this rest of us dont so please provide detail of the 95% he omitted, I am quite prepared to change my mind if the evidence and facts support it, so please enlighten me
You should see what George Galloway is hosting on his channel. George is so desperate for someone else with his views, he invited a convicted nonce "Scott Ritter" to spout Jewish hate.
Thank you for having hitchens on….thanks from across the pond
It’s not a recruiting sergeant if there is no one left to recruit.
Genocide
@@JakeLDS not if the right arse holes are getting killed it isn’t.
So you should be punished for your neighbours crimes
@@BobSmith-hn4pv yes, if you encourage them, voted for them, cheered for them when they came back from doing the crime, supported what they were doing… you should be punished.
@@charlesbrown4941yes because children in Gaza today voted for Hamas in 2006...
She doesn’t think it but she tweeted it out 😂😂😂
@fujojohnson
Just like Diane Abbott's racist tweet was only a draught. 😂
Not improper Aaron, despicable, beyond the pale and she should do more than issue a ridiculous non-apology.
Peter Hitchens captures the outrage that the silent majority are feeling 👏👏👏
Sky news, Fox, MSM, BBC all those are outraged just like GBN is so how is that the silent majority, if every media outlet is saying the same thing that's a loud majority not a silent one. You know what silence is right, it's like your mum's basement where to go to tweet political ineffective drivel.
The silent majority that are in government right now?
Appeasement very nearly cost us our country. Thank God for Churchill.
On the other hand, we now have peace in N.Ireland due to UK government sitting down and talking with Sinn Fein.
And then time moved forward all those people are gone and no matter what the people of Britain believe you are likely to be compelled to think otherwise by new style thought laws. Although it is ironic, two weeks ago concern about Muslim immigration was treated as a hate crime, and they say London is two thirds muslim,
and the BBC has turned against you.
At least we’re not speaking German. That would be just terrible.
And what good did that do,? Nothing, the enemy are amongst us now
Rivkah apologised.
😂
She should be charged with hate crime!!!!!!
I am all for equal treatement.
Cool and Tom Tugendhat for his tweet about 400 babies beheaded that's misleading parliament so we should expect his immediate resignation from government and he should step down as MP triggering a by-election right?
This was an incredible conversation by both gentlemen. Hitchens as always was spot on, and he said, almost by accident, the 4 most important words in the discussion. "There is no solution". Sadly, I think he is absolutely right.
There is a solution but humanity is too dumb to learn from the past, and as always and it's sad to say, too many people benefit from war and all the time that happens how is it ever going to end?
For hamas to inflict so much damage, there must be israelis who helped them, working against netanyahu. Netanyahu had many enemies.
'As always spot on'.
Have you seen his pathetic behaviour towards Alex O'Connor in the last few days? He's a useless old fart who still hasn't come to terms with the fact he is still the worst Hitchens brother, even after a decade since Christopher died.
@@thebaron8195 Hamas (then called the Muslim Brotherhood) was supported by Israel up until only about half a decade ago.
From the NY Times:
"Nicholas Kristof is right when he mentions that Israel once allowed the rise of Hamas as a counterweight to the Palestine Liberation Organization. But Israel did much more than “allow.”
In 1981, Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, Israel’s military governor of Gaza, told me that he was giving money to the Muslim Brotherhood, the precursor of Hamas, on the instruction of the Israeli authorities. The funding was intended to tilt power away from both Communist and Palestinian nationalist movements in Gaza, which Israel considered more threatening than the fundamentalists."
Just to be clear, this obviously doesn't condone Hamas' attack on civilians, but context is very useful
"she has since apologised for that tweet , it was improper" that's all he has to say about it. That shows you what his priorities are.
I tell you, people who say sorry are the weakest people on Earth, what is going on in someone's head that they are prepared to go ahead rallying for bloodshed, she is not sorry, she said what she feels, and the apology is so she keeps her job in her peaceful office in the West.
People who say sorry and mean it are the strongest people on earth, most people are far to insecure and weak to admit when they're wrong.She is not sorry as you say,it's meningless.
@@ppo2424 I agree, although I think that it's about admitting you were wrong, rather than saying sorry, that is true strength.
I think it was Einstein who would give the same test to the same set of students year after year, when his assistant pointed this obvious stupidity out to Einstein, he replied 'I know I have asked this group the same question before, but the facts have changed'.
Imagine claiming to be a Jew while celebrating baby-killing Hamas terrorists running riot across your own country.
What she said regarding blood being spilled etc is definitely wrong, but I think you are misunderstanding the historial anti-opression perspective she was trying to put forth. If they hadn't gone on to do war crimes and kill civilians then what she said would have been correct, though she should have seen that coming considering it's Hamas, I imagine she was just seeing them as 'Palestinians resisting' at the time. She definitely should have reacted quicker though which is the thing I take issue with most!
@@TomMAF4 My personal position is this.
I think the creation of Israel was a bad idea.
I think that the reality of monotheistic states where the law and religion are one and the same is a bad idea.
If I were to take sides on two wrongs, then I deserve all the vitriol I get.
Being against one bad idea without voicing your opinion about the other bad idea, will create conflict, and there lies the issue.
Your point is that she conflates Hamas with Palestinians, which is understandable, however, that is not helpful.
That point also lies true for anti-Semitism, not all Jewish people are Zionists, and not all Jewish people are pro-Israel, again, that is not helpful.
The world does not need polarising individuals like her.
Fantastic debate. No one interrupting each other. GB News well done. I pray for peace between Israel and Palestine.
Laws Violated: Israel has violated 28 resolutions of the United Nations Security Council (which are legally binding on member-nations U.N. Charter, Article 25 (1945); a few sample resolutions - 54, 111, 233, 234, 236, 248, 250, 252, 256, 262, 267, 270, 280, 285, 298, 313, 316, 468, 476, IF these were applied this conflict WOULD NOT EXIST. UK ignores the UN and international law
You'll be on your knees for a very long time then.
I was born in Sheffield ,I will not be returning ,I divorce my birth place ,total infestations
We need this commentary. Thanks M r Hitchens.
An apology always seems to the get out clause when you want to keep the truth silent.
an apology is not worth the toilet paper it is wiped on.
An apology is fine and hunky dory if you're on the left, but if you're on the right...
“She’s apologized for it and she didn’t mean it, she doesn’t believe it” wow, talk about a pile of manure. 🤦🏻♀️
This is probably the first well mediated piece I’ve seen from GB News. Credit where credit is due.
They might be British citizens but dont agree with British culture that is clear to see by the celebrations on British streets.
British Citizenship is beginning to look less valid than a Tesco Loyalty Card and is probably easier to come by. The is civilized opposition, we sit it daily inside Westminster and then there is this. After the Jewish nation who will be next. How far off course has our local/national political machine travelled when you cannot trust your town hall, your police, your clergy and your neighbors.
I'm sick and tired of this already , the Ukraine conflict too and all the other wars that aren't deemed news worthy.
The death and destruction never touches the real villains that stir up and perpetuate this .
Wouldn't want to radicalise the population that elected Hamas as the party in power
What worries me is they are living in Britain they should have British values not Muslims one they are British Muslims and there should be fundamental difference between these two cultures
Aaron is an asset to the left although disagree with him on so much. Hitchens a legend and Bev the perfect host.
Aaron is two faced and arrogant. Smug and dismissive
Bev didn't have to do much. I hope people realise they are watching the two best British political commentators of our time.
Aaron usually more agressive and snide........
Yeah, every one is a recruitment for Hamas, so it's best to just let them get away with what they've done without consequence, right? Better to try and appease those who will never be appeased. 🙄🙄😓😓 I've been hearing the same rhetoric for the past 25 years. I'm sick of it. Even if it's true, everything is a recruitment for terror groups anyway, it doesn't matter. There still has to be serious consequences.
"We hit you, but you shouldn't hit us back because it will make us hit you again"
Most of us learn in the playground that giving into that is a bad idea.
It’s not a recruiting sergeant if no one is left to recruit. Go on the IDF.
Yes. And why is no-one asking Palestinians living under FATA how they manage to live without the "protection" of Hamas?
Exactly. By that logic must have been millions of Japanese terrorists coming out of Hiroshima.
If Israelis can't stand it then you know that they can always leave. They never had a legitimate claim to the land, relying on claims made in religious, somewhat fictional texts.
They imposed themselves on the Palestinians, not the other way round. They need to make compromises (Hamas too).
A One State Solution is the only way forward.
We need to talk about Islam
It is not only a problem, but THE problem here. Everywhere they go, violence erupts
An excellent discussion where Peter Hitchens states many facts that are often not spoken about. Aaron is clearly tempering his opinion during this discussion as some of opinions on Novara are far more charged including from Ash and Michael. What Peter stated about Gaza being more peaceful pre 2005 disengagement and Intifada, is very interesting and definitely touches upon the fact that unfortunately a two state solution looks more unfeasible by the day. What is actually happening during this escalation is always hazy as the first casualty of war is truth and both sides suffer. However Hamas started the escalation and therefore will bear brunt.
Hamas may have started that escalation but mysteriously everyone only ever remembers Israel's reactions and NEVER what led them to react like that.
There is so much jew-hatred in the world that I fear Israel will cease to exist within 50 years.
@@TessaTickle Please explain what had changed in the last year which is probably how long Hamas took to plan this operation. Things were looking on the up in Gaza more work permits were being granted to work in Irsael and some money from Qatar was being permitted entry. Hamas stated reasons for the attack are ridiculous 1. West bank settler violence (not Gaza)
2. Arab Israeli normalisation (what is wrong with peace)
3. Desecration of Holy sites (Jews should be allowed to pray on the temple mount).
Two state solution is the only way people stop dying, Palestine would be trilled with all THEIR land back, but Israel has stolen too much land that isn't theirs to support a two state solution.
A two state solution hasn't been an option since 1948 when the Palestinian/Arab side launched their first war of extermination, then did it again in 1967 and 1973. They've been about as blatant as one can be that they will never accept anything less.
Some context: Hamas (then called the Muslim Brotherhood) was supported by Israel up until only about half a decade ago.
From the NY Times:
"Nicholas Kristof is right when he mentions that Israel once allowed the rise of Hamas as a counterweight to the Palestine Liberation Organization. But Israel did much more than “allow.”
In 1981, Brig. Gen. Yitzhak Segev, Israel’s military governor of Gaza, told me that he was giving money to the Muslim Brotherhood, the precursor of Hamas, on the instruction of the Israeli authorities. The funding was intended to tilt power away from both Communist and Palestinian nationalist movements in Gaza, which Israel considered more threatening than the fundamentalists."ng was intended to tilt power away from both Communist and Palestinian nationalist movements in Gaza, which Israel considered more threatening than the fundamentalists.
I would imagine that the hostility towards Israel comes from the fact that it was just decided they could have the land based on biblical BS and so they took it regardless of the people already living there. Then creating a prison for 2 million people and causing unspeakable problems, both Hamas and Israel are in the wrong at the moment and as usual it's innocent people who are suffering
Except Islam invaded and displaced the Jews in the first place. This conflict is nothing to do with land or resources. This is Muslims, called by their religion to annihilate the Jews - all Jews not just the ones in Israel.
AN OPPRESSOR IS A KILLER!!.
I HAVE SEEN 🐃 BUFFALO KILL BABIES LION U KNOW WHY??? --- SO THEY WILL NOT GROW UP TO BECOME THEIR PREY!!!!!!!!."
....MAN & WOMEN ARE ANIMAL'S--- MAN HAS CERTAIN ANIMAL REQUIREMENTS BECAUSE WE HAVE BROKEN AWAY FROM--- MOTHER NATURE!!!!!.
20 million europeans shifted borders in eastern europe in 1945 they dont still argue about it now
the ottomans cleansed the greeks from turkey and genocided the armenians
400k arabs themselves relatively for the most part fresh to israel got out of the way so the invading arab armies could wipe out their jewish neighbors
990k+ jews were expelled from surrounding arab countries and went to israel
the arabs refused to take their own 400k people whose number are now millions and they still wont take them either through hubris or likely they saw the result in the lebanon
Exodus is probably total myth, but there's archaeology and linguistics showing that ancient Israel and Judea existed, and that the Jews were likely a split off from the Canaanites.
Palestinians are the invention.
"Based on Biblical BS"? Are you completely ignorant of archeological history?
It's not hatred, it's what Quran teaches Muslims.
It IS hatred. Taught by the Qur'an..
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I never thought I’d live to see Peter Hitchens defend apartheid and fascism. Shameful
Hitchens nailed it.
Send Them Home
Excellent video all round from all three.. well done 👍👍 this is the kind of dialogue the we need 🎉🎉
If more politicians had the common sense of Peter Hitchens much of the the world be a safer place to live in
Common sense? Don’t make me laugh. The guy has the moral compass of our politicians, i.e. none.
Well said Peter Hitchens.
Bravo Mr Hitchens you brilliantly dismantled him
Wonderful to watch
Please let’s see more of this man
C Hitchens, a writer with whom I have some occasional differences, puts his points very forcefully and correctly here, and I can't gainsay anything he puts forward here. An outstanding summary of the broader situation, in fact.
Shame that C is dead and it's P Hitchens on the panel then.
god be with you mr.Hitchens.
God
Hitchens is right
I'm glad Hitchens didn't storm out of this interview and then beg the interviewer not to release the footage like he did a couple of days ago.
Excellent discussion by the group.
This whole business is truly awful. However, the overall situation seems to be intractable. Neither side seems willing to compromise, and those who do are routinely ignored. As a Westerner, I'll die for neither.
Why do you think they have so many children? For future use as cannon fodder 😢
Every action results in a reaction , I am neither pro Israel nor am I pro Palestine, we are all responsible for our own actions , we should think about the consequences of our actions in life before acting them out
Peter, you are more intelligent than this.
Hamas issued the statement regarding them "executing a hostage for every bombing WITHOUT a warning given first" is Hamas way to ensure their fighters get prior warning of being bombed so they can evacuate beforehand.
Export war, import war.
Aaron is sweating
His good friend Rivkah let people know what the "I'm not an anti-Semite I just criticise Israel" crowd: really think.
@@incurableromantic4006 They will grow up. Whippersnappers and don't know life
Yes, he's somehow quite likeable whilst presenting as the "acceptable" face of Marxism.
@@incurableromantic4006Not at all. I'm critical of Israel but think Hamas's are terrorists. Wouldn't dare excuse the slaughter of Israeli civilians and I'm not the only one.
@@LouisMenottiI respect you for saying that, but I'm not sure how we can pretend there is some kind of symmetry here. From the charter of Hamas:
" The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews."
That's an incitement to genocide. A second Holocaust. It wouldn't have been out of place in Mein Kampf. Their stated declaration is to murder Jews simply because they are Jews. That makes them the direct successors to the Nazis. They deny that the Holocaust took place, but swear to carry out their own. How would you suggest you deal with a population that teaches their children that Jews must die?
It's intensely depressing that misguided 'liberal' people find their sympathies aligned with a fundamentally antisemitic, avowedly genocidal movement. And historians wonder why so many 'ordinary' Germans fell in line with Hitler. We can see very clearly how it happens here. People who think of themselves as good, decent, compassionate leftwingers are defending and apologising for actual Nazis. I'm not saying that's you, but you must admit we have all seen the celebrations.
If you behead children, film it, kidnap old ladies, torture 4 year olds, and rape girls break their bones and parade them through Gaza to be spat on, I'm afraid any claim you have to morality or conscience is dead and buried.
This is evil, there is no justification for it, and the suffering of Palestinians is solely the moral responsibility of the butchers living amongst them. I don't know if you've seen the video of a 4 year old Jewish boy who has been taken hostage and is being tortured? I mean, I don't know how anyone can look at what's happened and still believe that there is a discussion to be had about Israel's right to exist, and the sworn determination of those living on their doorstep to wipe them out.
Always interesting to hear what Peter and Aaron have to say, i wish Aaron would have Peter on Novara on the regular to be honest because he always brings a perspective worth listening too on most things even though he is more a traditional Conservative which i myself most certainly am not.
I guess he doesn't throw temper tantrums when everyone bows to his superiority.
Love Peter Hitchens. If only we had more politicians who were just as well-informed, smart and principled. I have absolutely no faith in political parties or the political system anymore because they always coalesce into group think and absurd tribal performative nonsense.
You should watch his recent interview with cosmic skeptic. I’ve always felt ambivalent about PH, but after his recent outburst I find it impossible to respect him
@@laurencetaylor5046 Yep, all respect gone unfortunately. Very disapointing behaviour!
Agree, saw the interview, it was shocking to be fair.
Hitchens only appears ‘smart’ to individuals who are not highbrow, well read or graduates of a reputable university. He was schooled and got the better of by a man who isn’t even 25 years old and young enough to be his grandson and couldn’t handle it. Have a look at his interview with comicskeptic where Peter Hitchens showered his true colours
The TERROR war in SRI LANKA is a great example of how the Tamil Tiger terrorists (who I first supported because they had legitimate claims of discrimination became oppressors of their own people. From first being freedom fighters, they became their oppressors) were DESTROYED after a 30 year civil war. It was a brutal war in their destruction but that was the only way they were destroyed.
The cry about human rights violations was used by them to pause the attacks when they were being attacked close to annihilation when the terrorists wanted to regroup and they, as the caption of this video claims, claimed that the more they were attacked the more the civilians would join them. That was PROVEN A LIE because the civilians grew to hate them and unless FORCED would not join them.
There could have been a political solution with a federal system which was almost at the brink of happening when a minister of the majority government milinda moragoda pinto (he dropped the pinto name which is more Portugese to claim he was a higher level kandyan sinhalese) said just before a significant election that the promise of federalism was a lie.
The difference between hamas and the sri lankan terror group is that the Sri Lankan terror group NEVER WANTED TO WIPE THE MAJORITY Sinhalese OUT OF EXISTENCE while hamas wants to do just that, as a proxy of Iran that claims that Israel should not exist. The land issue for hamas is just an excuse for their greater goal of destroying Israel and all Jews. So Israel faces an EXISTENTIAL THREAT and has NO CHOICE BUT TO DESTROY them and their associated supporters UTTERLY.
The problem with Bastiani's point about every bombed building being a recruiting horn for radicalised Palestinians is that it doesn't really change anything if they don't bomb them. There are enough radicalised Palestinians, enough Hamas supporters, and enough radicalisation of people by Hamas even without the bombing that bombing or not, it doesn't really matter. It's a bit like saying that shooting back at your enemy will give truth to the lie that your enemy tells his population about you; there comes a point where that is neither here nor there and trying to think along these lines will just prevent you from defending yourself. The way Gaza is built up it is also nearly impossible to strike at Hamas without loads of collateral damage, and this is in fact something Hamas knows and actively uses to try to put the Israelis in a position where they either cannot strike back, or strike back and look terrible because loads of civilians get killed. Unfortunately this is a situation where there is very little choice: either do nothing and let Hamas keep launching attacks, or do try to get rid of them and accept that this will unfortunately cost a lot of people their lives.
Take a Birds Eye view of Tel aviv, then take a Birds Eye view of Gaza notice the difference ?. Would that not radicalise anyone. Israel refuses to allow the right of return for Palestinians, but allows the right of return for Jews.
@@martinoneill5804 And why is Gaza so much worse off than Tel Aviv, despite being a major aid recipient? It's not because of Israel; it's because of the government of Gaza (who since 2015 has been Hamas). From the point of view of population density (a) Gaza's population has risen dramatically not due to huge numbers of people being crowded in their by Israel, but due to a very high birth rate, and (b) so what? Why would a dense population cause radicalisation? Singapore has a very dense population, but they are not radicalised and attacking their neighbours.
Even if population density radicalised people (which it doesn't), the argument you seem to be getting at (because of their dense population, the solution to their attacking you is to give them more territory so that they are not so densely packed together) is akin to saying that to stop robberies one should give robbers more property. It's silly.
As for a right of return, why would they do that? So they could be swamped by people who want to throw them out? You're effectively telling them they are bad for not getting rid of themselves. Anyway, we could turn that argument on its head by saying that the Arabs in the Mandate should have allowed the Jews a right of return to their old homeland, but didn't (those Arabs were really not too keen on that).
@@andrewhall7176 Tell me what did the Palestinians have to do with the holocaust or the persecution of the Jewish community in Eastern Europe? When the Balfour agreement was signed the zionists insisted the whole world should know, do you think the Palestinians were so stupid they did not know what a homeland for Jews meant?. If someone knocks on your door in the morning and says my ancestors were here 2000 years ago now you have to give me your house and land would you ? If I find out where my ancestors were 2000 years ago can I go back and claim it? God gave me the land. It was the failure of the British to grant independence to 95 Percent of the people who lived there when the British took over after world war 1. Have you never heard of the Nabka when 3 quarters of a million Palestinians were terrorised off their land. Read the book The ethnic cleansing of Palestine by Israel author Ilan Pappa,, it will broaden your horizons about what happened in Palestine.
and Tony Blair should stay away on holiday somewhere.. he has done and said more than enough over the years.
Unbelievable, finding myself agreeing with Hitch Jr. I'm surprised, after his response to support for Ukraine, that he would take this position on Israel, but I'm pleased to he has.
Mr Bastani is completely correct when he states that Israel has not, and has never, abided by the Oslo accords. There are no excuses for the savage Hamas attack, but the constant building of more and more new settlements in Gaza where Israel agreed not to is not exactly unprovocative. Whilst not saying Israel brought this latest attack on themselves, they certainly didn't help by breaking international law with impunity for 30 years or so. The international community has been far too lenient with Israel. UN resolutions have been constantly broken by Israel, and nothing has been done to censure them. Why is the international community (for which read largely America) so terrified of upsetting Israel, to the point of condoning persistent illegal encroachment into lands where they were supposed to be constrained not to do so? To reiterate: I do not condone what Hamas has done, but one can hardly blame the Arab community for being angry at the long-time behaviour of Israel which seems determined illegally to steal more and more land where they should not be.
Mr Bastani is also correct when he says that every Israeli bomb that now falls on Gaza is a recruiting device for Hamas.
Spot on , Thank you , the whole international community is at fault for turning a blind eye on Israel's extremist policies for decades , on the contrary they support them unequivocally, wholehartedly on all fronts and expect the palestinians to be subjugated ,besieged, dehumanised and without any form of resistance .....Talking about solving this conflict without tackling its causes is similar to achieving peace without justice. Israel & US firmly believe political and strategic gains are achieved only by military power and that's a big problem towards a peaceful agreement .
Sounds like you are making excuses.
Nobody will criticise Israel because:
1. They run the banks and will increase the interest amounts to an unsustainable level.
2. They own the media so they will savage any government that attempt to tell the truth, using their world leading data collection and surveillance technology to absolutely destroy them.
3. Half of the worlds supermarkets are saturated with Israel products and make a lot of people a lot of money.
Plain and simple, the west is bought and paid for by Israel.
Peter Hitchens common sense as usual.
This is a pretty balanced piece from GB News
Excellent conversation
Came here for Aaron.
i pity you
Sad for you poppet!
GBNews is the only broadcaster who are both willing and able to bring on commentators as diverse as Hitchens and Bastani on the same panel
I have huge respect for both of them. Most journalists are hot garbage these days. Kudos to GB News for having them both on.
Agreed
Pity they don’t apply that to Ukraine much more than they do
Id like to see him live in an apartheid regime for a week and then speak.
You mean the racist apartheid regime of Hamas? Or are you parroting the lies about Israel? 20% of Israel is Arab, they're far better off than the Arabs in Palestine.
$104 per second, that's for Israelis defence budget from the U.S. taxpayers alone.
yes and they need every last cent to defend themselves from the vile barbaric hordes at their gates.
The US empire tries to spread liberty through non-colonial means. Is it working?
@@wicksee RIP . Clifford Martin and Mervin Paice
Kidnap, Torture and Murder of
Sergeant Clifford Martin and Sergeant Mervyn Paice.
@@wicksee King David Hotel b0mblng attack on British troops.
Different religions and cultures cannot live together in harmony, wars were fought for hundreds upon hundreds of years because of this and always will
It really is very simple, one aide ethically cleansed another peoples.
She's only apologised for being caught out. Too late.
The only mistake i can see, was the british giving away someone elses country,
Wow finally a mainstream media news organization in the west that is not afraid to have someone talk about the other side of this Israel vs Hamas fight. I am really impressed with GB News, hope they don't get taken off the air for this!