Tears of the Kingdom: the end of Zelda?
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- Опубликовано: 3 фев 2023
- What does Tears of the Kingdom's Ouroboros symbol mean? Could this game be the end of the Zelda timeline?
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That ending line, "That would make the entire timeline, The Legend of Zelda." Gave me chills. Love the concept!
It almost made me tear up...
@@AoKajii it's an amazing idea, and would help the timeline make a bit more sense maybe 😂
Same here lol idk why
Such a beautiful chilling yet raw line at the same time
Damn without your comment I haven't realize it! Thanks! Really. That is actually Amazing!
Zelda is like pokemon and mario, it cannot end or nintendo will end. It's like the gears of a machine while mario is the battery and pokemon is the engine making the whole system work.
Said my thoughts but who knows?
Well its a good thing he said that this wouldnt mean it was the last Zelda game to be made. Just the last in the timeline.
True, bit it's much more difficult for Zelda as they have to keep writing deep and compelling stories, whereas for Mario it's alot simpler where it'd just a guy who fights a big turtle.
Edit: it's been a bit since I wrote this but by deep and complex I meant just having a plot or narrative of some sort. Zelda games can get pretty deep, like Majora's Mask. But for most of the games there is still more of an actual plot than Mario (excluding Zelda 1 and maybe Zelda 2, although the latter is debatable).
Your speaking truth
I don't think you understand what he means, he's just referring to TotK as the last game in the time line. Actually watch the vid before commenting.
Tears of the Kingdom has the potential to be one of the greatest games ever created, not only by Nintendo. The idea of it being the connection between Breath of the Wild and Skyward Sword, making it both the end and the start of the timeline at the same time is just so great it's even hard to imagine.
I can't help but seeing a lot of plotholes there though. The Zelda universe doesn't start with Hylia and the sky islands. It starts with the 3 golden goddesses, before them and the triforce, there was nothing. How would that fit into the idea of a cyclical timeline?
@@enecofan888 the golden goddesses created basically everything, including time, so their existence does not exclude anything. They created the world, and after that they created Hylia to rule over the world and protect it.
@@L1nk2002 then that would be the true origin of hylia and not some time paradoxon that Zelda became her
@@enecofan888 well yeah, we know that technically the Goddesses created Hylia, but how exactly Hylia becomes Zelda and Zelda becomes Hylia would be a true paradox. At the start the Goddesses create Hylia, who then is incarnated as Zelda. But eventually at the end of the timeline, for what Zeltik said, Zelda herself becomes Hylia. But technically the Goddesses can't create a being that already exists if, for the theory, the end of the timeline is also the start. The only solution is that at the start of the first cycle the Goddesses create Hylia and then the timeline cycles on its own for an infinite amount of time. We'll see.
@@L1nk2002 This is why I don’t overthink Zelda lore. The fans care more about it making sense than Nintendo does so most of the lore is made up by fans trying their best to fill in the holes Nintendo left. Half of Zelda lore is essentially just fan fiction.
That idea of ToTK starting an infinite time loop with the Zelda timeline gave me goosebumps, its such a good theory and actually makes sense regardless of if gf will go down that route or not.
Who do you mean by "gf"?
@@jack77262 good question, this is why you don't write stuff at 2am. Im pretty sure I meant to say Nintendo XD
@@ashleycurzon6348 I feel like you were brain farting and thinking pokemon and game freak
@@tetra_kirby5691 yeah that sounds about right
but that brings up the question, where did the zonia come from? like the only other game they’ve been mentioned is BoTW (and potentially twilight princess but that’s a debate for a different day)
Nice job dropping that “Legend of Zelda” line. Hit me right in the feels.
Immediate chills
REAL
I almost had a stroke from the chills down my spine.
right?
Woah guys! Chill.
i just now realized that ganondorf is gonna have full voice acting and omg im so ready for that
and link will be like "HYAH"
@@Muscle_Man554 just imagine if at the end of this game....they finally give link lines before the showdown with ganon...as if link finally expresses everything he feels and felt since the first botw....that would be killer....but we will prolly just get hyah 😂😂
@@BigChunk4530Zelda’s biggest pet peeve 😂
@@esewhachudoinn 😂😂😂😂
@@BigChunk4530 imagine link's first words are "Die you mother fvcking pig man"
Here's what I think is going to happen in the story: Link and Zelda realise that, due to the repeating cycle of rebirth and destruction, there's never going to be actual peace. Coming to terms with the endless cycle of despair that they're cursed to, they decide that the only way to actually defeat the great evil forever is to "trap" it within the timeline itself, by forming the loop that connects Tears of the Kingdom with Skyward Sword. At the same time, due to the events of the story, somehow, a separate timeline gets created, which branches off from the end of Tears of the Kingdom; this timeline will be free from the curse of endless conflict. This reflects a new beginning of genuine hope for Hyrule. And from a meta perspective, it will will allow for the Zelda franchise to do entirely new storylines that do not have to adhere to those that came before it. They can retell the entire history of Hyrule and the Legend of Zelda, and give the entire franchise a new coat of paint. Which is something they've definitely been directing the franchise towards these days.
so the games/series wont end, but the games may change big time in story/new is what ur saying?sry english isnt my first
I think they are going to find out that a loop has been happening for millions of years and they were about to end it when they defeated the Calamity which normally restarts the cycle but now the curse is trying to force Demise rebirth
Wow that is so smart from a story telling and marketing perspective. That’s a super cool theory you have.
good
That would actually be really cool, and at the end of *that* timeline (decades away obviously), they could wrap it all up with it all coming together somehow.
Personally, I have a completely different take on the information we've been given. We have the cyclical symbolism as you mentioned, but there's something crucial you neglected to mention: in traditional imagery, an ourobouros is more typically a single snake eating its own tail. But I think the symbolism of two serpents consuming each other gives a different implication. To explain what I think that implication is, I need to unpack some other information we're given and what I think it all means.
Under the heading for Tears of the Kingdom's place in the timeline, it's said that Zelda and Link discover a "terrible secret" that changes everything they thought they knew about the history of Hyrule. We don't know for sure what this terrible secret is, but we have seen that deep underground, they encounter Ganon - held in a state of suspended half-life, half-death. There have been theories that the Gerudo haven't had another king because Ganon is still alive, not allowed to die, and so another Gerudo King can't be born. Additionally, people - including you, I believe - have pointed out the recurring Zonai imagery in certain ancient ruins in Breath of the Wild, with the prevalence of that imagery really ramping up in the trailers for Tears of the Kingdom. The serpents in the logo bear a very strong resemblance to the statuary of dragons/serpents that dominate Zonai ruins - including the Labyrinths, where you can acquire the Barbarian Armor. The Zonai are frequently called "barbarians," implying a connection to this armor set. The Barbarian Helm also sports a shock of red hair that can't be dyed over, lending it a resemblance to a certain oft-seen villainous figure in the Zelda series.
We see that the Zonai often depict three animals in their statuary: dragons/serpents, owls, and boars. Dragons seem to be associated with the Triforce of Courage, which we see in how the Spring of Courage is located in a temple consisting of a massive dragon effigy. Owls and other birds are associated with the Triforce of Wisdom, I think it's safe to say. But the boar is more associated with the Triforce of Power by way of Ganon's recurring boar imagery - and on the odd occasion we find Zonai boar statues, they seem to have been debased. In the trailer you're referencing here, we see Link flying toward some huge petroglyph that's lit up in green - green being a recurring color with the Zonai and with the weird new abilities and technology we see Link using. And it almost seems like the petroglyph is being reconstructed using this green light after an effort to erase it.
So we have a mysterious lost civilization with some strong symbolic ties to Ganon that seem like they're playing an increasingly important role in Tears of the Kingdom, what seems like the revelation that Ganon was somehow imprisoned under Hyrule Castle, and a symbol of two serpents in the Zonai style consuming each other. I think what's going on here is that the Hyrulean Royal Family aren't quite the victims we've made them out to be. I really get the feeling that the intention here is to recontextualize this conflict not as the cycle of good overcoming evil, but the cycle of revenge leading kingdoms to rise, fall, and seek retribution for their fall on their enemies. After all, there's very rarely one unambiguous good side and unambiguous evil side in any real-life war.
But history is written by the victors. If the kingdom of Hyrule and the kingdom of Zonai went to war, and the Zonai were wiped out, what's to stop Hyrule from erasing the Zonai culture and depicting themselves as the victims of Zonai aggression as well as the morally-justified victors? And what if that strange creature in the carvings isn't a depiction of Hylia at all - what if that's a depiction of a Zonai? What if Zelda isn't holding hands with Hylia, but with some Zonai counterpart - a Zonai princess or something of the sort? What if this isn't about the cycle of Zelda's reincarnation, but about Zelda being the one to break the cycle of revenge and finally make peace between Hyrule and the Zonai?
EDIT: I just had a thought. What if Ganon was the "Hero" of the Zonai like Link has been the Hero of Hyrule again and again since time immemorial? What if Ganon reincarnates to be the "Hero" of Hyrule's adversary - here, the Zonai - and that's the true nature of the cyclical comings and goings of the Gerudo King? And what if he was sealed away without killing him in order to stop his cycle of reincarnation and deprive the Zonai of their hero?
Underrated comment and very compelling theory. To me, it makes complete sense that Ganon was the “hero” of the Zonai or is at least somehow connected to the Zonai. After all, in the most recent trailer, Ganon is seen raising Hyrule castle out of the ground. Because of this, it makes more sense that Ganon is responsible for raising all the sky islands not Zelda or Hylia. And given the Zonai imagery on the sky islands, it makes sense that Ganon would be somehow connected to them. Given the name of the game, it really does feel like the “tears of the kingdom” are the wrongdoings that Hyrule did unto the Zonai/Ganon.
OOOH! I LOVE this!
Great theory. In ocarina it has been said that the royal family was know to commit secret horrors against its enemies, even having two entire spirit prisons located across the kingdom. I believe that Ganondorf is locked away encased in stone underneath the castle due to the events that happened in windwaker, he was encased in stone and made the new pedestal of the master sword then old kingdom was flooded. We have also seen ganondorf raise his castle into the sky before with black magic in ocarina of time. I think when they discovered ganondorf underneath the castle they started the new calamity when they removed the master sword from ganondorfs head and this is what starts the events of Breath of the wild and now tears. Idk tho
@@AgapeGaming17 the problem with the zonai theory is we know ganondorf to be the Gerudo king. Him being imprisoned is the reason why the gerudo don’t have a new king. He hasn’t died yet
I love this deconstruction and deep theory. To build off some of your ideas, maybe the zonai could have found out about the endless cycle of the franchise and imprisoned ganondorf as a form of stopping the cycle from continuing. him not being able to reincarnate, forever bound to life by magic beyond our understanding. Maybe after the zonai disappeared the calamity was caused through his corruption of their magic.
This may be your best theory yet. The transitions, the story telling, and that ending line. Well done, Zeltik.
Nah. Pulling all of this out of thin air, basically just because the logo shows two dragons. Reminds me very much of how conspiracies are made up.
@@RealRomplayer
Did you not watch the video?
@@RealRomplayer well he actually based it from what represented from the trailer. and also facts that are true (like the zelda art on the wall)
@@RealRomplayer Being a hater is so easy. Try challenging yourself a bit, it’ll do you good. I‘d say for starters, try being nice shouldn’t take you that long.
@@fabianspencer5611 Criticism is hating now. Okay.
I got chills when you dropped "this would make the entire story the legend of zelda"
That's brilliant and its what I'm hoping and expecting will happen
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i actually hope this won't happen, because any other big zelda game wont really matter in the timeline, since they cant not be referenced in breath of the wild and tears of the kingdom
@@clxma why wouldn't they be referenced?
@@novustalks7525 because tears of the kingdom is the next game released and no other big Zelda game is in the works that could possibly be referenced in it
@@clxma that doesn't even make sense. How can it reference future games that don't even exist yet?
I have never been so satisfied by the ending of a video. Dropping that little bit about how the entire series creates "The Legend of Zelda" not only hit me in the feels, but literally left me applauding in my dorm room and bothering my suitemates. If you are right, good sir, this is one of the most clever pieces of storytelling in all of gaming. The name of a little passion project from the 1980s, the first open world game ever created, becomes the most perfect piece of poetry in the world of video games through a series of entries spanning from 2011 to 2023. Truly amazing.
Wow. I am so glad we are not roommates.
After 37 years, "The Legend Of Zelda" may realize its final meaning and if your theory (which, by the way, is amazing and makes enough sense to be possible) is true, Tears Of The Kingdom could become one of the greatest not just games, but stories of all time, reaching its full completion after the work of countless artists and dedicated people gave life to the childhood fantasies of Miyamoto. This franchise is truly legendary.
Edit: I was also thinking: Breath Of The Wild, alongside Mario Odissey, opened the Switch era. Since it seems to be the case that a new console will soon replace it, Tears Of The Kingdom Is closing the era. I obviously don't think that's what they were doing with the symbolism, but it's a cool thing.
The last line really moved me with this franchise being apart of my life for as long as i can remember
mine too - I can hear the sound of NES Link's sword beam with the iconic main theme music as I read this comment.
Even with the 8-bit graphics limitations, as a 7-year old playing that game, my imagination easily filled the gaps and made the original Hyrule just as magical as the current iterations. It's incredible how this whole saga has played out over my 32 years of playing the series
Facts, spirit tracks was literally the first game I ever owned and here I am all these years later still so excited for the newest release
i'm not a crazy fan of zelda, but i really love breath of the wild. kinda sad if the series/franchise will end
same omg
hahaha
The timeline comes full circle in tears
After countless generations, Link returns to the skies
Link has returned to the Sky before. In other Zelda games.
@@joesunday199 when exactly?
@@theyogurtfan5847 at least Minish Cap and Twilight Princess have a portion of the game take place in the sky, but I think that's more Visiting the sky instead of Returning there 🤔
@@catboywizard that’s true, and minish cap canonically takes place 2nd in the timeline after skywards sword, so it wouldn’t be much of a “return”
@TheYogurtFan
It's a different link, so it would be a proper return.
This game, like many others in the comments have already said, has the potential of being the most important and amazing game not just for the Zelda series but for Nintendo and gaming as a whole. It’s crazy to think of how much implications this game could have on the timeline, like this theory about the timeline looping, and how I think that would make a lot of sense that it’s hard to picture any other way this game could be…… but only time will tell
It's funny how so many elements of this theory actually happened, but each in their own different ways. (TotK spoilers)
- Zelda traveling back to the past, but not a few generations before Skyward Sword, and instead a few generations after Skyward Sword, in the era of prosperity.
- Hylia taking on a divine form once more, but not her original one from before Skyward Sword, and instead an immortal divine dragon.
- The Ouroboros symbolising a bootstrap paradox involving Zelda's travel, but actually about her witnessing the revival of Ganondorf in the present, which causes the events of the past to play out as they did, imprisoning Ganondorf in the first place.
- Zelda's involvement creating a miraculous existence overarching timeline itself. But not by her turning back into the Goddess Hylia and starting the events of the timeline herself in an endless loop, but rather the existence of BotW's world specifically.
Caused by Zelda's paradoxical wait she had to endure, having only one destination in the far future, but multiple time branches on the way there, most likely creating a *temporal unity* of all of them.
That makes the world of BotW/TotK itself a result of a temporal unity happening within a bootstrap paradox. Not directly connected to the timeline, but still existing because of it and itself.
great comment 👍
And thinking just 1 step further, Demise is said to have come from underneath the earth, just as is whom is presumably Ganondorf... I totally admire your theories since they make sense!
This would not only mean that the last Zelda is Hylia, but also that Ganondorf is Demise, and the last Hero, BotW Link, is the first Hero, the Link from before SS, who fought Demise.
Also, who wants to bet that Zelda fixes the Master Sword, thus Hylia making the Goddess Sword.
@@corwinhefner6823 : Also, considering the Sheikah tech and Zelda's fondness for it, she may have incorporated it into the creation of the Master Sword, resulting in the strangely robotic nature of its spirit: Fi.
@@corwinhefner6823 the butterfly effect
@@corwinhefner6823 link from SS is the first Hero thats how time travel works
Not only this but this Ganon so far seems to be the most like Demise when it comes to his design, the long red hair and the chest showing fully and even the fact that he's dead and his skin got much much darker as a result adds to this.
If he at any point in the game uses magic or something to regain his health and get buff or something then he'd basically turn into Demise
"She would be a being outside of time. The single most important thing in the Zelda world. Its beginning and its end. Which would make the entire timeline *The Legend of Zelda*."
Literal goosebumps from that conclusion! Your videos are always a treat, Zeltik. Thanks for being awesome.
my heart hurt when you said the Legend of Zelda line. Absolute masterpiece of a video. Tears of the Kingdom is probably going to be the one of if not the most important Zelda game. I can't wait for it to come out.
That ending line gave me CHILLS, dude. And think about the timeline split... what if it never *split* at all? What if they're not actually parallel? What if it was just *THREE CYCLES?*
its gaining traction for this theory and its possible, we see twilight references, majora mask references, even wind waker references in game. from the sea salt to the names of islands
I’m not so sure because if Link and Zelda split the timeline in ocarina of time, there had to be a timeline where he’s and adult and where he’s a kid at the same time. And one where he is defeated. This would make it easy to make Zelda sequels after TOTK though.
Here's a thought: if this is the case, what if the three timelines is Hylia "correcting" the timeline little by little each loop? First loop is when everything goes wrong in OoT when Link dies in the battle with Ganon and Zelda has to seal him away in the Sacred Realm and leaving Hyrule to slowly decline, second loop is when Zelda sends Link back to his childhood which allows Ganon to come back and forces the Gods to flood Hyrule, and the third loop has kid Link telling kid Zelda about Ganondorf's plans which allows them to send him to the Twilight Realm. Each loop things get a little better, from total failure, to pyrrhic victory that ends in an apocalypse anyways, to an actual victory with long term positive consequences.
This makes a lot of sense. I also noticed that the symbol looks quite a lot like Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" symbol. It may just be a coincidence but the first lines of those books are literally:
"The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again"
History repeating itself.
The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills.
It's just the symbol of Ourobouros, it is used in TONS of media/creative works as a symbol of "life & death" or "infinity".
Man i gotta read wot soon
@@pingunooty 100/10 recommend. Imo probably the best single fantasy series ever written
Always nice to see another Wheel of Time fan.
I think Fujibayashi’s games bookend the timeline because he didn’t want to be limited in his stories or gameplay by previous games. So I don’t think he would go out of his way to avoid the timeline just to create his own, I think he’s just telling the story he wants to tell and wants to do it without restraint. If he loops a timeline then all future games have to either be in another dimension, an alternate version of the loop, or have to fit in the existing loop somewhere, which I really think they’re going way out of their way to completely avoid. This is an interesting idea but I just don’t think they care about the timeline, I think they care about this specific Zelda, this specific Link, and this specific Hyrule.
Yeah the reality is that Nintendo has never once cared about the overall lore or legend of zelda timeline. They have some basic things they try to keep consistent, but the officially published timeline was literally just Nintendo looking at the fanmade timeline and going "yeah that probably makes sense" and then making it canon.
Except botw explicitly references skyward sword in so many ways
@@novustalks7525 Yes, and that’s a good point. But I would argue it actually reinforces that Fujibayashi does not want to be bound by the timeline.
The story of SS can’t be told except at the start of the timeline-before Ganondorf, the sages, the kingdom of Hyrule itself, etc. SS is sort of a lore reboot of the series because the concept of Zelda being Hylia didn’t explicitly exist before then, it was all about the triforce and a more ambiguous “golden power”. And the iconography of Hylia statues, the concept of Demise, a voice in the master sword, and other elements also did not previously exist. He has to put SS at the start of the timeline just so he can ignore the rest of the timeline to tell his own story.
The same goes for BotW. It takes place a million billion years after the other games so that they don’t matter anymore-but he keeps the Hylia/Fi/etc so that his own story, that he established without regard to other parts of the timeline, can be told the way he wants it to be. And for gameplay he can reference any previous game or use whichever elements of them he wants without being beholden to any single one. He can use the Zora and Rito and Koroks and Lynels and Fi and anything he wants or doesn’t want. He is free to use any element of any Zelda to make his game the best it can be without a continuity restriction. He can make the Zonai and they don’t have to be related to anything, including TP, if he doesn’t want them to. They can be brand new or not according to his story.
He has completely circumvented the timeline in the last 2 games and I doubt he will suddenly make it a big deal in this one. Sky islands are in the game because they are cool and enhance the “vertical exploration” component of the game, not to loop the timeline.
I think TotK will end with them figuring out how to break the cycle (by ending the curse of Demise), and thus all future LoZ games will be free to be something completely different.
@@vainezaiven6677 Thatd be awesome
I would love to have two endings :
- the first, when you go full circle
- the second, when you break said circle
If it all leads back around to the Skyward Sword era, that could start a whole new timeline where events play out differently than the one we've been experiencing for the past few decades, essentially rebooting the series. New villains, new environments, new heroes. Now that would be interesting.
Oh God. Twenty years of remakes 😢
not necessarily, whose to say the events of skyward sword and beyond as we know them aren't canonically already the biproduct of the time loop in Tears of the kingdom? meaning the events that we see take place in all of the games are set in stone
Remember, Demise and his armies came from a fissure in the ground. So it makes sense that Tears of the Kingdom may lead back around to his emergence as well.
Also Explains why Hylia creates the MS and I bet the Goddess ceremony happens in TOTK too.
if ganondorf, demise, and hylia all show up ....
But his soul was contained inside the Master Sword were it would be destroyed as stated by Fi and Impa at the end of Skyward Sword. With Demise dead and Ganondorf taking his place i don't see his "son" doing a repeat of his father's first attack with the knowledge it would lead to a timeloop.
Plus calamity ganon looked just like demise in aoc
@@novustalks7525 "Demise in AoC"? ¿Pretty sure that never happens or did i miss a DLC? If you mean "Ganon" at the of the main story that was only "Harbinger Ganon" fused with ASStor after the incompetent henchman made the dumb conclusion that he could "control" the Calamity by himself. No way Demise himself was the being shown at the end of main game.
This is really cool. Demise's curse also fits this theory. The curse was born from Demise's hatred that he was defeated by Link and Zelda, locking the three in a never ending cycle of violence. Demise's spirit seemingly takes the form of Ganondorf, with each incarnation of the villain looking closer to Demise as the series progresses, especially this one. If Tears of the Kingdom ends with the three vessels of the curse taking the place of the originators, thus dooming themselves to this endless cycle, it would tie things together nicely. Maybe a future game could be trying to break this curse, or ToK could have the revelation that this has happened hundreds, if not thousands of times before, and tbe malice is the physical manifestation of the curse, trying to keep this cycle going. Then we can have the three trying to break their "destiny" and the curse, allowing time to continue forward instead of following the loop.
Perhaps the Sheikah's ultimate goal in their technological advancement has been to find a way to break the cycle by stacking the deck against Demise. First in creating the technology (Guardians, Towers, Devine Beasts) to fight the calamity but most notably in using time travel via Terrako.
Did the Sheikah know about the curse/cycle?
@@corybunkle Very interesting theory should it be true as that would imply Demise himself was able to "evolve" to the ever changing times with his Malice been able to corrupt and control technology. We can only imagine what his next plan will be now that Ganondorf is free from his newest seal.
Yeah, I see the loop of the dragons being the constant battle of Link vs Ganon, not Zelda and Hylia.
@@darthpaul99 I see the Ouroborous as a battle between Malice and the "Green Energy" as implied by the Malice shown in the mural swallowing what appears to be Zelda and an army of Hylians and possible Zonai soldiers fighting Ganondorf's monster army.
I feel like this is more fun to watch after we haave seen the game
i think the really beautiful part about crafting an infinite time loop like you’re suggesting, is the freedom to introduce a title that disrupts this loop; one where ganondorf actually decides to be the hero. ganon could eventually be the key to breaking the cycle, allowing the timeline to start completely fresh and introduce an even bigger villain not yet seen before. there have also been several hints throughout the franchise that ganon was a victim of the hylian kingdom. i would love nothing more than for ganon to receive justice and become an antagonist fighting along link’s side.
Infinite timeloop means remake for all the zelda that had no remake so far imagine The legend of zelda and adventures of Link Today!!!
My first impression seeing the dragons on the logo was also an uroboros design, but as I’ve looked at it more, the dragons aren’t eating each other, and appear more to be spiralling together in a way that makes me think of the green lettering sealing ganondorf, if there were two spirals of energy coming up, it would appear like the logo dragons when seen from above
When looking closely it looks like their months are closed.
As to spiralling, it reminds me of the energy related to the hand holding Ganondorf down.
Yeah, it's a double helix. It's really clear when the logo animates in at 7:42. They're rising together. You can also see that they have opposite length spines which continue all around.
This would make complete sense and I'd really like to see that happen.
Also Hylia existing outside the timeline would explain why she is the goddess of time in the first place.
Well, guess it all had to have a conclusion eventually. Just glad I saw it in my lifetime. I've kinda stopped with BOTW. Just having fun exploring / jumping and flying all over the place. Figuring I'll never see Paya go any further than BOTW along with my dreams of the Champions being resurrected somehow. It's unfortunate we never got a chance to interact with Zelda in game before all this happened. Instead, were just given visions/memories to collect in BOTW. Guess that's why I enjoyed "Ocarina Of Time" so much towards the end.
¿Isn't Nayru the Goddess of Time though? Not only was Nayru the one who gave "Law" to the Zelda universe in Oracle of Ages it was her human "incarnation" the Oracle Nayru who had the power to timetravel back and forth in time further cementing her as the one in charge of creating and maintaining the flow of Time.
@@javiervasquez625 The identity of the Goddess of Time has never been made clear. Since the three Golden Goddesses either created Hylia or charged her with guarding over their creation, they may have invested her with some of their characteristics.
@@vainezaiven6677 I agree it's never been fully confirmed which deity fulfill such a purpose but based on what i've said above the best logical candidate to be considered the Goddess of Time would have to be Nayru as she's the one who established the "Laws" which sustain the Zelda universe (as in the very concept of Order such as day/night, up/down, before/after, past/future, etc.) for her not to be said goddess in question. Hylia may share Nayru's powers but that doesn't mean she has the same role as the Goddess of Wisdom.
@@javiervasquez625 But we don't know that the Goddess of Time does share the same role as the Goddess of Wisdom. Plus, the "Goddess of Time" language goes back to an era before Hylia's existence was confirmed (which didn't happen until Skyward Sword, even though the concept of Hylia had been in Nintendo's development materials since at least Ocarina of Time).
The references to "Goddess of Time" may have been pointing to Nayru at the time they were written, but they could easily be explained now as a referring to Hylia. Who knows.
That legend of Zelda comment at the end 👀 I love this idea. As the sky islands fall and the realms merge, as Zelda completes her cycle to become hylia, link vanished, Ganon is destroyed, peace returns, but slowly time drifts and builds up back into the timeline of skyward sword, requiring the power of the goddess and the hero of courage to return and defeat demise. Restarting the never ending cycle… shit I love time loops
This is amazing. It makes sense. I believe from this, one new timeline either split off entirely by its events, or outside of the loop, but still linked.
TOTK being at the end of all of the timelines makes sense IMO. Each split in the timeline eventually works its way to the same point because time eventually wants to heal itself. The prophecy is a prophecy for a reason, and eventually it's going to come to fruition. It doesn't matter whether the hero loses or defeats Ganon as a child or an adult. Because eventually the hero will come back to fight Ganon yet again. And I think that's what the logo is referring to, is the endless cycle of hero, princess, villain.
Would love to see this be proven true, and I do think it adds up, but I feel like we can't make a proper call until we see more of the game. I love how little we've seen this time around, it leaves so much to interpretation
Unfortunately, 9:55 just is not true. They never said it takes place at the “end of every timeline,” it’s quite literally impossible, yet he treats it as a fact…
The idea that all three timelines end up the same just is not possible. There will always be difference in all three timelines
@@Ash-bl7vm BotW is confirmed to take place in all three timelones. TotK, as a sequel to that, is, in fact, at the end of alld three timelines. I'm not sure if they merged into one timeline or if these events passed coincidentally in each of the three still-separate timelines.
@@kianpfannenstiel when did the creator’s say Botw takes place after all 3 timelines? Link/source?
@@Ash-bl7vm The graphic shown at 9:53, which I can only assume you saw, comes from Nintendo. It may have been touched up by fans or Zeltic to make it look this pretty, but it's legit.
@@kianpfannenstiel I think it’s the end of split time lines and all will follow one till again they either do a gate deciding time line like ocarina of time where there’s one if he defeats Gabon and one where the hero of time dies
This whole video is simultaneously amazing theory craft while being stupendously incorrect haha please don’t take this down this was seriously so good
Quality production mate. Your videos carry a very high visual standard - youtube should give you an award or something!
The musician and youtuber Tim de Man figured out that BotWs and TotKs music theme match together at a certain point so you can play both themes in a kind of endless repeating cycle. I think at the end of TotK Link and/or Zelda will have to choose to set up a timeloop either for these two games or for the entire timeline, which makes me feel a little anxious yet excited
Maybe the game offers multiple endings based on the player's actions which would lead to a specific conclusion that either restarts the timeline or keeps going forward unnaffected.
@@javiervasquez625 I would love multiple / secret endings in a zelda game that you need to jump through hoops to achieve (potentially with some recontextualising the story or having a different final boss).
It feels like something that would bring the replayability of the franchise to the next level, if they design the game in a way that makes each playthrough feel considerably different.
If you think about it, ocarina of time had multiole endings, but we only git to see one of them directly.
So this game having several endings wouldn't be too far off
@Javier Vasquéz I theorized something similar but with devs making the day/weather mechanic having time actually pass so you can miss out on events or quests or progress with characters if you fool around too much. The two link designs could be a sign of time passing in the game. Progressive blood moons scale the enemies power, making the game harder (a common complaint)
Maybe an ending based on zelda deciding to ascend to godhood and continuing the cycle, or link deciding to destroy it somehow.
I like the idea of totk being Ganondorf’s final appearance in Zelda chronologically in the timeline. So games that take place after totk will have a brand new reincarnation of demise. Though new games can be made after totk but have ganondorf if they take place earlier.
Assuming Zeltik's hypothesis is correct, then there would be no games set after Tears as there would be no "after" Tears. It would be a timeloop where the end leads into the beginning. The only game "after" this one would be Skyward Sword again.
Ganondorf is to Din and Power as Link is to Courage and Farore and Zelda is to Wisdom and Nayru. To end him for good would be to end Link and Zelda as well. The only story coherent way i could see Ganondorf dying for good and never coming back is by ending the timeline altogether and not making any more games in this current continuity of the franchise.
@@Celestia282 His hypothesis is likely incorrect in the sense that if Nintendo does use TotK as the backstory of SS (something I've been speculating for a while now), then TotK will likely end with Link and Zelda breaking the loop and ending the curse of Demise, thus keeping all existing LoZ games in an infinitely looping timeline but allowing for new LoZ games going forward to be completely different.
Since Monolith Soft, makers of the Xeno games, have gotten more and more involved with production of LoZ games for a decade now, and since a big theme in their games is "eternal recurrence" and having to break infinitely repeating cycles of time, I can easily see this being the goal of TotK.
Can’t wait for a follow up video on this.
bro rlly called rauru and sonia hylia and zelda💀😭
To be fair… they are hylia’s descendants if I remember the flashbacks correctly, and the theory was made before the game release.
As the release gets closer and closer, I’m not only excited for the game, but for you and your channel. Zelda releases always have me looking forward to your videos. You notice so many cool things that others miss.
I've never felt a more fitting title to a series until you explained that this would complete as the whole timeline being "THE LEGEND OF ZELDA". I love it!
You do such good videos!
I remember when you first started this years ago! Was one of your first subscribers..
Don’t know what it is but there is something special about your channel.. the Zelda feel, remember watching every video waiting for BOTW news
Zeltik never disappoints with the theories and information. Goosebumps the entire way through. I can't freaking wait for this game
Wouldn't surprise me if this next game creates an endless cycle. This will prove that Hylia is in fact the goddess of time, and why she can exist in a manner that is impossible.
I honestly, cannot wait for this next game.
That would be an amazing move, lol. Vven though Nintendo wants to be far away from these timelines stuff which are mostly fanmade, such a loop could eventually help with the timelines problems : they could then be explained as events happening in different iterations of the loop, and not just parallel universes. BotW and TotK would then happen at the very end of every iteration, as well as SS would happen at the beginning.
@@martingiroux2817 Before Skyward Sword, came a kingdom that fell to Demise's armies. In the last ray of hope, Hylia rips part of the land, and throws them into the sky, and then gives up her immortal life, becoming a mortal. If Tears of the Kingdom depicts the fallen kingdom that Skyward Sword mentions, then Tears of the Kingdom would mark both the end and beginning of the timeline.
This would explain why a Goddess of time is capable of ripping land up from the Earth, and throwing them into the sky. She's reversing time on those parts of land, thereby putting them back into time. The timeloop created, specifically to trap demise, until a permanent solution to ending him can be found. Hence why different timeline exist starting from OoT, each iteration of the loop, getting closer and closer to finding a permanent solution. This will enable more possible timelines to exist than the three we currently know about. A Fourth possible timeline: "Hero's Abandonment." The Young Child couldn't handle the pressure, and took off (either as an adult, or child... so two possible abandonment timelines exist). This causes catastrophic changes to the land of Hyrule.
Those Abandonment timelines, opens possibility of playing different races, and a multiplayer Zelda Game... The Races of Hyrule learns of other methods to defeat Ganondorf. Though only the true hero can finally end Ganondorf, the races coming together, manages to hold him back in a permenant stalemate, with neither side giving an inch.
So many possibilities if Tears of the Kingdom directly feeds into Skyward Sword.
On top of that, when Nintendo is finally done creating Zelda games, and going to put the series to rest, the absolute final Zelda game, is the game that truly ends it all. The Timeloop breaks, Ganondorf/Demise, permanently defeated.
Very interesting theory! I can’t wait for this game to come out already. I would love at least one more trailer before the launch as well
Hopefully will be a zelda nintentdo direct soon
amazing music choice throughout the video brother
I love this theory, it makes complete sense! One thing i noticed though, which could play into the game story as well, is I'm pretty sure the Hylia figure is standing on the winged platform link lands on at the end of the most recent trailer. The image looks like the bird platform looking at it straight on, doesn't it? I wonder if the Hylia figure on the winged platform is perhaps a companion in this game, maybe the winged platform contains the spirit of this creature much like Fi and the master sword. Perhaps they are one in the same?
Holy crap. This is one of the most mind blowing things I’ve ever seen. And it’s such a good idea for the Zelda franchise. Thinking back to the last 15 years of insanity over the Zelda timeline, having it all connect and become cyclical would be absolutely WILD and brilliant! Only time will tell…
And just think: Aonuma & Co. would be able to say, "We had it planned all along" whenever they're asked about it in the future, making themselves look like geniuses in hindsight.
I still choose to believe the eldritch woman is the owner of the green hand that merges with Link. I think she was the ruler of her own kingdom (most likely Zonai) and joined forces with Zelda to form a permanent bond. You even see one tear above each of their heads in the final shot.
He/she/they may become Link's newest companion in this new adventure like in previous games.
I think it could be farore
Great video! Another point that goes with your theory is that the dragons move counter clockwise.
I sure am glad that there are people like you out there because this analysis, no matter how accurate it ends up becoming, is fascinating and I'm way too dumb to think of this stuff on my own!
the ouroboros with the two dragons eating each other almost reminds of the Chinese Ying/Yang symbol for light and darkness. Could the two dragons instead of one eating eating other be a representation of good vs evil, Demise and Hylia endlessly eating one another tails, two separate enemies that make up a single, infinite conflict?
Exactly. I don't think it's as deep as Zeltik made it out to be. It'd almost be a disservice to hardcore fans to say that all the years of fighting has been for nothing. All your favourite characters are eternally locked into torment. Based off that, it could be fair to say Demise won and Hylia lost. Demise is the embodiment of Chaos and Hatred seems like lifetimes of eternal torment is what he wants.
@@pappi8338 It's already a never ending battle since Demise cursed Link and Zelda at the very beginning of the timeline. Cyclic timelines are not more pointless than linear ones, it's just a matter of perspective, I could also say that linear timelines are pointless because it's an endless struggle for an unknown end, and endless time makes anything that happens completely insignificant compared to infinity, while closed timelines make anything that happen in them more significant on this aspect, as well as having everything fall into a nice order because anything that happens must eventually lead to its own cause, like an elegant knot. Just a matter of perspective and taste ;)
@@pappi8338 Agreed. Even with the logos he went over, they didn't really have anything all that "deep" to them, either. The Fused Shadow and wolf in Twilight Princess' logo are just Midna and Link. The silent princess in Breath of the Wild's logo is just Zelda. The mask in Majora's Mask is just Majora. The King of Red Lions in Wind Waker is just... the King of Red Lions. That's it. I find it far more likely that it either has something to do with Link's abilities (similar to how the Fused Shadow wasn't a character, but referenced a character), or it could be a reference to two new characters in the game. Maybe the two people holding hands are a dragon-like race we haven't seen before or something.
@@mythicdawn9574 Sorry, but you didn't understand me. If they ended it by destroying Gannon/Demise, then it's no longer a never ending battle. No where did I say "I wanted it to continue". You finish it off with a fantasy-hero-saving-the-lands and its happily ever after.
they are. 'Good' and 'evil' are relatively recent concepts, I think. When it comes to the ancients that used those symbols, it's more about 'creation' and 'destruction' (or 'order' and 'chaos'). The difference being that 'evil' is just pure bad, and 'destruction' is the necessary stage before 'creation'.
So, yeah, Demise is the force of destruction, and Hylia the force of creation (that's why she can create Zelda, magic floating islands and whatnot, while Demise can only corrupt (just like in LotR)).
The cycle of snakes eating each other could be about the cycle of Link fighting Gannon and then it restarting generations later. Maybe Gannon is trying to break the cycle and Link has to fight to make sure the cycle and the fate they share will continue.
That would be a huge twist, it turning out we were pretty much the villain all along. 😂
I'm not sure of that, because who started this cycle to begin with was ganon, or at least, his ancestor, Demise, he was who cursed link to fight "An incarnation of my hatred" for "all time!"
@@meialua5178 That's why I'm not a fan of this video. The speculations disregard many established facts in previous games
Why would link want to continue the cycle? If Link broke the curse by Demise then he'll be no more
@@justin2308 not really. If Denise/Gannon is trying to end the cycle then he isn’t going to do it for anyone else. An end of the cycle is an end of the world.
That ending man.. made me cry. Absolutely amazing theory, as always! This is one that I really hope turns out to be true.
The end being the beginning in this endless time loop is a really cool and intriguing theory. Good job on this video! 😃👍🏽
If Link does go back in time, it would really explain why he's wearing the ancient clothes saying that he got them from the first person he finds in the past, and it's much better than just finding something to wear after gaining consciousness just after Ganondorf. He also wears the Champion's Tunic in some parts and the ancient clothes in others, so that could be hinting that he can freely travel between past and present, but instead of keeping it limited to one place like in Skyward Sword, there is an entirely alternate world out there to explore. This game is just taking amazing parts of Skyward Sword, and making it better.
I think links different appearance will be time passing in the game as you play, his hair growing longer because it's been months. Blood moons raise the monsters power more and more so you can't fool around too much. Consequences for what you did in the first game since there were complaints abt difficulty.
I got chills at the end when you said “and it’ll make the whole time line “The Legend of Zelda”
A quote came to mind when I first day the logo.
“The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.”
Got a feeling the next trailer is what will basically sweep confirmations or deconfirmations every which way and I'm hoping this theory is true as it would be a beautiful bookend to the timeline
I have a feeling that things may not be quite as simple as that by the end of the story.
Hylia's eye is closed in that painting, and I got much more of a creepy / unnerving vibe out of that mural with the way that the trailer presented it.
I think that the mural might be a depiction of Hylia by whatever the civilisation is, presumably the Zonai. They might think her “evil” or an enemy to them, because it doesn’t really look like a positive character it looks alien and somewhat of a demonic being.
I kind of hope this is the case. With over 10,000 years of history, there is plenty of room for more stories in the timeline, and knowing how it ends/begins would almost ensure its safety moving forward.
That line at the end litterly sold me on this theory and I love it now...
Are you going to make a part 3 to the classic enemies reimagined series? I'd love to see the Gleeok reimagined by you, or maybe you could do items reimagined, like the hookshot.
Thanks for showing footage of reading Zelda's diary. Her dream of being in darkness and then seeing that woman, a fairy, a goddess? The woman calls out to her as if warning her, but Zelda cannot hear her. Is this Zelda having a dream of something that happens in the future? Aka what happens to her in TOTK? She forsaw a piece of that? Will she meet the true form of Hylia and reawaken her power? Will she get new powers as Link is? I'm so ready for this game!
When I watched the 2nd trailer for the first time, I misheard what Zelda says as Link reaches for her and thought it was "Lend me your power." The excitement that came with thinking there was a possibility of changing the player from Link TO Zelda was, alas, wiped away by replaying the clip.
I wonder if there is a possibility that Zelda and Hylia are not actually reincarnating as one another, but are in fact one and the same, just struggling to remember each other. Almost like a break in their psyche caused by the events of the entire timeline so far. This would also explain why Hylia will speak with Link even though she is so closely tied to the Hyrulian royalty, but does not speak with Zelda. When in Goddess form, she knows of both pieces of the puzzle, but when in Zeldas form, she has fragments of Hylias memories, creating her own knowledge of Hylia being 100% real, but not enough memory to know she actually is one and the same.
It does have some issues throughout the timeline I know, but it actually also closes up a lot of unanswered questions too. Just a random thought I had watching this video.
This was honestly a really well put together video, great points! Best one in a while
I love this video great job mate. Only 7 more days, took vacation from work all weekend for this. I absolutely cannot wait to see what they have in store gameplay and storywise, crazy we STILL know so little lol. Cheers 🤙
Funny thing is Hylia is always depicted as an "angel" or "fairy." Also she did originally raise the islands and hid the "Tri-Force" from Demise in the Sky Keep which can be clearly be seen in the ToTK trailer's. So the real question is will be able to touch the Tri-Force again?!
Interesting thought, what if the image of Hyrule castle being raised up is at the end of the game, rather than the beginning. Rather than Ganon’s malice raising the castle, it is Zelda’s magic. She raises the castle to the skies along with the citizens of Hyrule to escape the malice in a last ditch effort to save everyone. Link stays behind to fight Ganondorf, who is born into the demon Demise just as Zelda with Hylia. The castle becomes Skyloft and the cycle begins again
Also demise was sealed into the sword, which is now broken, possibly freeing him, which would then fit in with the loop
I actually had this idea when seeing the floating islands; all of your other points, like the dragons and Hylia & Zelda, makes this make even more sense. I love this theory!
What if the two serpents represent the endless battle between the forces of Hylia and Demise?
This is my favorite Theory of yours so far, ending the cycle but also restarting it is a beautiful concept that I really hope the game capitalizes on.
Yoooo... this video was deep, nice work man. If this is it, it would be amazing!
the reverb on the Shop theme and subsequent echoed cut made me giggle immediately
Now I'm thinking about the potential for a thoroughly catastrophic ending for Tears of the Kingdom, with Hylia and Link having failed to save Hyrule, and as a last-ditch effort Hylia sending the Hylians up to the Skies to escape certain obliteration on the surface caused by Ganondorf/Demise/Malice! How epic would that be! maybe there could be a a whole video on the concept? 😏
Pretty depressing to have it all end in a timeloop though. Link, Zelda and Ganondorf forever cursed to fight for eternity...
@@javiervasquez625 it's all ready that way anyway
That would be sad, but pretty intriguing at the same time
And then it started all over again like in skyward sword
I think it's more likely that the game will end with them figuring out how to break the cycle and lead to a post-Ganon future.
Seriously, this is the same company that refused to make Age of Calamity the actual backstory to Breath of the Wild because it would be too dark. They're not going to end TotK this way.
Dude. That last line was incredible. Way to tie it all into the title of the Legend of Zelda. That would honestly be such a cool and clever way to tie up the timeline
OMG, I got goosebumps at the closing statement you made. This is how I would love to see things play out because it means that the team can branch out even further with the IP itself without constraining themselves to the timeline they created.
Totally agree.
I clicked on this expecting some unlikely nonsense, but WOW. I am floored. This makes SO much sense, and is an incredibly elegant way to solve the timeline issue once and for all. Amazing video!! I really hope you're right. Goodbye, Basketball Timeline.
A direct was just confirmed today, highly likely we’ll get more info on tears of the kingdom, hopefully it helps us piece the story together
I think it's awesome that you made a solid following, and (I suspect) a living out of purely Zelda lore. Just now it dawned on me, how that's only possible because Nintendo and its developers' really cherish the franchise as well, and always do it jusitce with fleshed out lore and world-building. Good on you man, been admiring your work since 2017 and it's not gotten stale, so that's a big accomplishment right there!
To be completely honest, I've had that hole time loop/circle theory ever since we were shown the sky islands. Finally someone addressed it AND added lore so it all would fit together.
Going off of what he said, and what PointCrow said (same thing as TotK being the end and start). There are multiple oroborous’s. The smallest one represents the cycle of prosperity & destruction, as he said, with the top-most head being the start of prosperity, and 90 degrees to the left being the climax of prosperity, the bottom head being the start of the calamity, and 270 degrees (to the right from the left) being the climax of destruction. But the largest one represents the time lines self, as, if the Zonai where on the islands, the Zonai knew about the splits.
Absolutely genius theory crafting and speculation. I would not be surprised if you are spot on here, Zeltik. I love your videos, please never stop making them!
Very interesting theory! Excited for the next one
Damn didnt think there would be a time traveler here lol. You a sheikah?
Dammit, Zeltik - actually gave me chills when you said "the entire timeline would be The Legend of Zelda" ❤️
So interesting coming back to this after playing Tears of the Kingdom!
I like this theory, like you said, it doesn't mean we never get a zelda game again, only that the timeline loop has a start and an end.
Or a linked, but new path.
Ngl I got chills at 12:30
I laughed out loud
I've kind of thought this too since the ouroboros thing and the cyclical nature of it all. TOTK is like we're living the past of Skyward sword as it happened, islands raised up to escape demise for the cycle to continue again.
I had this theory long ago. Glad to see someone else think of it. Great Video!
Great theories and great video!
I've been thinking that the timeline is cyclical for a hot minute now! Glad you made the video! Love the idea that Link from BOTW/TOTK is the hero from the distant past mentioned in Skyward Sword.
Yeah this is some good stuff. Another interesting thing is that ganondorf is getting closer and closer to more of an ultimate embodiment of evil like demise was. With the transformation into malice and his much stronger connections with the other enemies as opposed to in previous games where he would ally with factions rather than literally create them from his own energy.
I had this theory since the first trailer dropped, I'm really happy to see it get more attention, good video
Incredible! Great video :)
As I said in another video: the ouroboros symbol was used by some series and movies that involved time travel (Dark, 12 monkeys), so maybe not only it is a gameplay mechanic, perhaps it has something to do with the story itself, and how the timeline 'wraps' itself just like its showed in this video
One of the most exciting Zelda theories I’ve heard in a long time. Good stuff!
This was an awesome video! Thanks for making it.
I've noticed that none of the title pictures have the silent princess flower in it either but it still has the master sword it may hint to something
zeltik casually having the best theories and commentary about totk, keep it up