I have never seen so many metal shavings inside a machine! Makes me so sad. 😢 I bought a used Kenmore that had graphite all over the bobbin winding area inside, and that was tedious to clean up, but this is a new one for me. 😢
Thanks for the video. I have three 158.1941 machines and they are my primary sewing machines. A drop of oil and a bit of grease on a regular basis will keep them running. This is the best kenmore you can have.
Omigosh... No one ever told me about oiling the bobbin area in that spot, and I've many Kenmores like this. Thank you so much for sharing this video! I'm off to oil all of the bobbin areas in them right now. Thanks so much! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
@@Widespread-Panic just a drop then run the machine. It’s a good idea to wipe out the race to clean it first. When you see the black on the rag and wonder where the grease came from, it’s not grease. It’s metal shavings. Oops. I have a video on the proper way to clean and oil the race.
This looks a lot like the metal filings you find in a car engine that did not get the benefit of either an oil change or even a top up for a really long time. Metal on metal always ='s a tragic end of a quality machine. I want to play "Taps" for this poor machine while it is sent onto its final reward. Tragic...and wholly avoidable. Thanks for posting this, I've shared it with my Kenmore group so that people take heed and take care of their machines.
I just got a Kenmore 158-1914 that previous owner said was serviced very recently. Plugged her in and sewed maybe 20 inches. It sewed fine but started sort of clunky and seems loud? So here I am - hopefully that little bit of sewing didn't do any harm. I'm going to assume it wasn't oiled properly - the bobbin area does seem a little dry... thanks for these great videos!!!
what i wonder is how long it's been "acting/sounding" weird before they did something...i'm guessing when it finally stopped stitching. but hey now you've got a new parts machine!
@@leonsappl I would rather not have a new parts machine, but we’ll see. It had to be giving off red flag clues for a while I would suspect. Or maybe it just locked up and became an event like a train wreck. Unfortunate outcome regardless.
we all have to learn somewhere, myself included, like the 2 bobbin rule is new to me. I suspect many more bad habits from being part of the generation taught on plastic built machines. I'm interested to hear your perspective on lubricating vintage plastic parts. I've heard lots of conflicting info. Some (including mechanics) say lubricating can deteriorate plastic integrity. Others say modern lubricants are less damaging and always better to lubricate than not.@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 we all have to learn somewhere, myself included, like the 2 bobbin rule is new to me. I suspect many more bad habits from being part of the generation taught on plastic built machines. I'm interested to hear your perspective on lubricating vintage plastic parts. I've heard lots of conflicting info. Some (including mechanics) say lubricating can deteriorate plastic integrity. Others say modern lubricants are less damaging and always better to lubricate than not
@@leonsappl even the plastic (nylon) components will need some oil. A dry plastic part that’s spinning on a metal axle will soon begin to become distorted and misshapen without being oiled. It will start chirping, then screaming, then total failure. Machines that have an idler pulley (plastic) on the the drive belt or timing belt, or both, is a perfect example. I oil them sparingly, but frequently and accurately.
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 yeah that makes sense. I don't even use plastic built vintage but it's a question that's always bugged me. I've always figured whatever damage has likely already occurred. Thanks
Wow! What a cautionary tale. Hmm, I wonder if it was making noises to indicate that something was wrong? At any rate, this is one of those "scared straight" videos.
@@littlemiss4402 I wonder what the sound of a gear chewing through another gear sounds like. Probably the stuff of nightmares. It had to set off some warning bells.
I think, not 100% sure, this is the sewing machine that I talked my mother in law into buying in 1981. On the weekends I did a lot of sewing with her while visiting the in laws home. I had a Dressmaker (Janome-New Home) also badged as “Vogue”. It had the dial a stitch.
@ The same model of made in Japan machine I had is for sale on eBay “Vogue sewing machine”. I gave mine to a sister in law. I am tempted to buy it but the accessories box is missing.
Agree. It uses generic presser feet. I know I should go ahead and buy it for nostalgia but I don’t need it. What to do? @@randyyoursewingmachineman9954
Ouch. I oil the bobbin area, but not elsewhere. Our local quilting shop/Bernina dealer closed. I wish there was a manual to learn to service my machine myself. (Bernina 802S)
@@Dashzap I have 493 videos on my channel regarding servicing all types of machines. There are other channels who offer help also. There’s a wealth of information at your fingertips. You’re just going to have to spend some time and do some exploring on the internet and the RUclips. Having a Bernina is a plus for you. They rarely have any needs other than just a cleaning and an oiling. Good luck 🍀.
Hi Randy, I thoroughly cleaned those gears last year or two and relubed them with grease when I did my entire Kenmore. I have multiple grease's, sticky wheel bearing grease, highly refined less tacky auto greases, lithium grease both high viscosity and drier stick applicator type. What's the best for the gear teeth on these? I suppose the pins that hold them take light sewing machine oil.
@@preacherman9018 a light sewing machine oil is for the tight tolerance moving parts. You can grease the gears if you want. We always use Vaseline petroleum jelly because it’s cheap and plentiful.
@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 Thanks a lot! Your video is a good reminder that I should keep up on the lube schedule on all moving contact parts. I'll just use my lifetime supply of auto grease then and replace if/ when it picks up dirt
I find it absolutely astonishing when people say "nobody ever told me I had to clean and oil the bobbin area" Every Kenmore manual ever published explains how to clean and oil the shuttle area. And with these Kenmore machines you just have to move the levers to disassemble and clean unlike early Singers that had to be unscrewed. The steel shavings in this machine are heartbreaking.
@@r.duroucher225 the only previous occasion where I saw that much metal shavings was on the floor of a machine shop. The oiling and cleaning procedures on these Kenmore’s are so simple there’s really no excuse not to do at least the minimum to keep them going.
@@ronalddevine9587 a thin layer of grease on the tips of the cans isn’t really necessary but can’t hurt anything. That center axle on the other hand needs oiled regularly.
Should the gear which is badly damaged have gotten grease instead of oil? Some say the rotary gears on the Singer 201s should be oiled and not greased. Thanks.
@@engelbob8402 the gears weren’t the problem. The problem was the cam stack axle pin that the cam stack rotates around wasn’t oiled. The cam stack froze up on the axle and that was game over for the gears. The motor was powerful enough to grind them up by chugging away at the resistance and overcoming it.
This is breaking my heart. OMG, the finest machine out there. How very sad. It's probably now relegated to the parts heap.
@@ronalddevine9587 quite possibly a parts machine now. I’m waiting to hear from my customer who owns this machine.
Sad outcome for sure.
I have NEVER seen metal shavings inside of a sewing machine before! Thanks for showing what can happen. 😮
Randy, you are AWESOME! 🤩
@@Susietacoma occasionally I am. Just not often enough to connote a trend. 😂😎👍🏼
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954🤣😂🤣
I have never seen so many metal shavings inside a machine! Makes me so sad. 😢 I bought a used Kenmore that had graphite all over the bobbin winding area inside, and that was tedious to clean up, but this is a new one for me. 😢
@@Roxy0405 it’s a new one for me as well. A rare event but it was avoidable.
Thanks for the video. I have three 158.1941 machines and they are my primary sewing machines. A drop of oil and a bit of grease on a regular basis will keep them running. This is the best kenmore you can have.
@@Idaho-Idaho you are indeed correct. 😎👍🏼
Wow! That's a LOT of metal shavings! Goes to show that even metal machines, metal gears, are not gonna last forever without TLC. Ouch! Great video❤
@@robinr6399 it’s quite the object lesson for sure. A little oil goes a long way. 😎👍🏼
Omigosh... No one ever told me about oiling the bobbin area in that spot, and I've many Kenmores like this. Thank you so much for sharing this video! I'm off to oil all of the bobbin areas in them right now. Thanks so much! ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
@@Widespread-Panic just a drop then run the machine.
It’s a good idea to wipe out the race to clean it first.
When you see the black on the rag and wonder where the grease came from, it’s not grease.
It’s metal shavings. Oops.
I have a video on the proper way to clean and oil the race.
Read your manual. All Kenmore manuals explain that the shuttle assembly has to be cleaned and oiled.
@@r.duroucher225 But I know everything. Not!
That is a crying shame Randy...and thanks for the reminder to oil
@@GaryT1952 it’s a rare occurrence but if it happens to you one time it will be memorable. 😎👍
Very memorable lesson.
@@eileenmc4746 it was a memorable moment for me as well. Nothing like an object lesson to convey a valuable message. 😎👍
Wow, how interesting to see that. Oil oil oil, got it thanks.
@@shirley1413 😎👍🏼
This looks a lot like the metal filings you find in a car engine that did not get the benefit of either an oil change or even a top up for a really long time. Metal on metal always ='s a tragic end of a quality machine. I want to play "Taps" for this poor machine while it is sent onto its final reward. Tragic...and wholly avoidable. Thanks for posting this, I've shared it with my Kenmore group so that people take heed and take care of their machines.
@@shopwornbear1171 it’s a hard lesson to learn. This one may end up being a straight stitch only.
Customer is weighing her options.
Wow!
@@JohnBau wow indeed. Couldn’t believe my eyes.
Thanks I will check mine out!
@@geralynlima9152 put some oil in the center of the cam stack where the axle is. 😎👍🏼
I just got a Kenmore 158-1914 that previous owner said was serviced very recently. Plugged her in and sewed maybe 20 inches. It sewed fine but started sort of clunky and seems loud? So here I am - hopefully that little bit of sewing didn't do any harm. I'm going to assume it wasn't oiled properly - the bobbin area does seem a little dry... thanks for these great videos!!!
@@shannonkelly7210 oil it thoroughly. I have a three part video series on that.
It will be fine I’m guessing.
Yes, I add a drop of oil to my raceway in the bobbin area.
what i wonder is how long it's been "acting/sounding" weird before they did something...i'm guessing when it finally stopped stitching. but hey now you've got a new parts machine!
@@leonsappl I would rather not have a new parts machine, but we’ll see.
It had to be giving off red flag clues for a while I would suspect.
Or maybe it just locked up and became an event like a train wreck.
Unfortunate outcome regardless.
we all have to learn somewhere, myself included, like the 2 bobbin rule is new to me. I suspect many more bad habits from being part of the generation taught on plastic built machines.
I'm interested to hear your perspective on lubricating vintage plastic parts. I've heard lots of conflicting info. Some (including mechanics) say lubricating can deteriorate plastic integrity. Others say modern lubricants are less damaging and always better to lubricate than not.@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 we all have to learn somewhere, myself included, like the 2 bobbin rule is new to me. I suspect many more bad habits from being part of the generation taught on plastic built machines.
I'm interested to hear your perspective on lubricating vintage plastic parts. I've heard lots of conflicting info. Some (including mechanics) say lubricating can deteriorate plastic integrity. Others say modern lubricants are less damaging and always better to lubricate than not
@@leonsappl even the plastic (nylon) components will need some oil. A dry plastic part that’s spinning on a metal axle will soon begin to become distorted and misshapen without being oiled. It will start chirping, then screaming, then total failure. Machines that have an idler pulley (plastic) on the the drive belt or timing belt, or both, is a perfect example. I oil them sparingly, but frequently and accurately.
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 yeah that makes sense. I don't even use plastic built vintage but it's a question that's always bugged me. I've always figured whatever damage has likely already occurred. Thanks
Wow. That is crazy & heartbreaking there. I didnt know that was even possible. Ive got two of these 1941’s.
@@kevinh5024 it is slightly shocking.
I bet you’ll put a couple drops of oil on that cam stack axle whenever you think about it.
@ I will now!!
Wow! What a cautionary tale. Hmm, I wonder if it was making noises to indicate that something was wrong? At any rate, this is one of those "scared straight" videos.
@@littlemiss4402 I wonder what the sound of a gear chewing through another gear sounds like.
Probably the stuff of nightmares.
It had to set off some warning bells.
I think, not 100% sure, this is the sewing machine that I talked my mother in law into buying in 1981. On the weekends I did a lot of sewing with her while visiting the in laws home. I had a Dressmaker (Janome-New Home) also badged as “Vogue”. It had the dial a stitch.
@@Susietacoma a little oil in the proper places does wonders for long range success. 😎👍🏼
@ The same model of made in Japan machine I had is for sale on eBay “Vogue sewing machine”. I gave mine to a sister in law. I am tempted to buy it but the accessories box is missing.
@@Susietacoma if it’s a low shank presser foot, accessories are a cinch to find.
Agree. It uses generic presser feet. I know I should go ahead and buy it for nostalgia but I don’t need it. What to do? @@randyyoursewingmachineman9954
@Susietacoma Go for it! Accessories aren't hard to find or too expensive to buy if you keep looking for them. 🤗
Ouch. I oil the bobbin area, but not elsewhere. Our local quilting shop/Bernina dealer closed. I wish there was a manual to learn to service my machine myself. (Bernina 802S)
@@Dashzap I have 493 videos on my channel regarding servicing all types of machines.
There are other channels who offer help also.
There’s a wealth of information at your fingertips.
You’re just going to
have to spend some time and do some exploring on the internet and the RUclips.
Having a Bernina is a plus for you.
They rarely have any needs other than just a cleaning and an oiling.
Good luck 🍀.
Hi Randy,
I thoroughly cleaned those gears last year or two and relubed them with grease when I did my entire Kenmore. I have multiple grease's, sticky wheel bearing grease, highly refined less tacky auto greases, lithium grease both high viscosity and drier stick applicator type. What's the best for the gear teeth on these? I suppose the pins that hold them take light sewing machine oil.
@@preacherman9018 a light sewing machine oil is for the tight tolerance moving parts.
You can grease the gears if you want.
We always use Vaseline petroleum jelly because it’s cheap and plentiful.
@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 Thanks a lot!
Your video is a good reminder that I should keep up on the lube schedule on all moving contact parts. I'll just use my lifetime supply of auto grease then and replace if/ when it picks up dirt
I find it absolutely astonishing when people say "nobody ever told me I had to clean and oil the bobbin area" Every Kenmore manual ever published explains how to clean and oil the shuttle area. And with these Kenmore machines you just have to move the levers to disassemble and clean unlike early Singers that had to be unscrewed. The steel shavings in this machine are heartbreaking.
@@r.duroucher225 the only previous occasion where I saw that much metal shavings was on the floor of a machine shop. The oiling and cleaning procedures on these Kenmore’s are so simple there’s really no excuse not to do at least the minimum to keep them going.
Should the cams themselves be oiled or greased?
@@ronalddevine9587 a thin layer of grease on the tips of the cans isn’t really necessary but can’t hurt anything.
That center axle on the other hand needs oiled regularly.
Should the gear which is badly damaged have gotten grease instead of oil? Some say the rotary gears on the Singer 201s should be oiled and not greased. Thanks.
@@engelbob8402 the gears weren’t the problem. The problem was the cam stack axle pin that the cam stack rotates around wasn’t oiled.
The cam stack froze up on the axle and that was game over for the gears.
The motor was powerful enough to grind them up by chugging away at the resistance and overcoming it.
@@randyyoursewingmachineman9954 Sure. I understand the problem and thanks for the timely reply.