Sounds crazy that a software change could have that result, but then again, remember that Audi may have intentionally de-tuned the S4 slightly so that the RS4 would be a significant upgrade.
+Jason Holtkamp If you saw the revo kit, they add a supercharger belt and pulley, and intake along with software programming. Its very misleading with that little DLC connector because he only used it to change the current tune used by the ECU
I guess all commercial car engines are a bit de-tuned. If you max them out , they woldn´t be as reliable. The tuned engine of the s4 will probably have some problems in the near future.
can you please tell me what do you do when you have to take ur car for repair (when it had warranty) did they have to detune the car??? like how does it work.
The S series cars DO have launch control but it's hidden, press and hold the esp button for 5 seconds, put it in sport, foot hard on the brake then hard on the throttle. You'll have 4 seconds of 4k launch mode before it will cut off so you have 4 seconds to launch once punching the throttle. Just lift right off the brake to launch
And more weight, and overheating issues, and moving parts, and more parts to break, and tuning and fuel issues, they have their place but its not the "end all be all" unless you only care about straight line speed.
The S4 B8 was an incredible package from the day it was launched. And by the way Chris, you can re-tune the gearbox software too, it will enable LC and a lot more features, after that it will be faster then the RS4.
We really didn’t know how good we had it.. today everything is muted with a turbo the size of the engine. Soul completely gone. C63 was the last one to capitulate.
5 years after this video and that B8 S4 is within reach of a peasant like me. I saw a few listed on Auto Trader recently which made me think of this video. The thought of one of these on my driveway is...exciting.
The b8.5 comes with launch control, and there are tcu tunes as well. The b8.5 s4 is hands down one of the best daily drivers. Awd so good for all weather, insanely reliable, makes great power and torque, plenty of room, looks great inside, looks great outside too but doesn't draw too much attention which is nice when using daily, AND it actually gets pretty good mileage too. Even with a stage 1 tune I can still get 25 mpg
@@tomhuish7617 The most significant upgrades are the mechatronics issues that haunted the B8, and things like the PCV, Water pump etc that were an issue in the B8, have been revised in the B8.5. I believe the B8.5 to be one of the better variants of German cars for reliability.
@@tomhuish7617as far as the dsg goes yes. Engine is the same, same issues same reliability. Replaces pvc, thermostat and water pump on a b8 and b8.5. Same exact deal.
@@technugget873 press and hold ESP button for 5 seconds, put into sport mode. Foot HARD on break and slam the accelerator right down puts to 4K revs then let go of Break as quick as possible once at 4K
I now own this car. Inside stripped and cleaned, all the bodywork corrected and sprayed, wheels re-furbed - now a showroom looking vehicle. It is also now running with the supercharger pully upgrade, airbox and gearbox map.
I've had my s4 remapped with revo and impressed with it but now I'm booking it in for the revo stage 1+ . Did you see a difference to yours when you did it ?
That software isn't cheap. But it's totally worth it. It must be fun blowing people out of the water with what appears to be a normal everyday station-wagon
Robert I drive a flashed 2003 Audi RS6 and have a lot of fun with kids and their hotrods. The only thing faster (and then just), is a GT-R. Someday American car makers will figure it out and offer AWD standard.
I've just bought an S4 on Mr Harris' recommendation. Its bloody amazing as standard! I am looking to do the stage 1 upgrade to over 400 bhp though. Cant wait!
William, this was a comparison to show how close these 2 cars can be in terms of power output with just a little bit of money/tune thrown at the new 3.0 Supercharged Audi engine. For the small investment needed, an S4 owner with the supercharged power train can end up with NEAR RS4 straight line performance. Any RS owner will likely still frown upon such statistics as there is more to tuning than simple power output. I own a 2010 S5 "Daytona Grey" Coupe (4.2L 8 cylinder) with the 6 spd manual transmission (perhaps 1 or only a handful ever built) and i love my 8 cylinder engine regardless of what tuners can do with the forced induction power plant. My 8 cylinder makes erotic and awesome noises the 6 cylinder could only DREAM about. Tis the wonderful difference between so many of the automobiles we car enthusiasts own...sound, performance, looks, branding, etc. Great video Chris Harris..keep them coming!!!
My dad still can’t understand how this works. I’ve tried explaining it to him but he doesn’t understand how you make a combustion engine that much stronger without fiddling with any of the mechanical components. Can you imagine his shock when he found out that newer cars come with much of the features that you didn’t pay for, just need to activate them.
I'm just astonished by this, I've been looking at ways to get into an RS4 but on the strength of this I could get the new S4 due next year, get the mod, save 20k and go and frighten some RS4 drivers!
+mahunik Not a lot unfortunately. RS4 is a NA engine, so tuning potential is extremely limited. Companies quoting more than +10BHP for a stage 1 are probably over estimating..... Adding a pulley upgrade and going Stage 2 on the supercharged V6 gets even more silly...
+mahunik It's looking likely that the new B9 RS4/5 will have an electric turbo. Something to look forward to :) Bit disappointed that the S4/5 will also be turbo rather than supercharged...love my supercharged V6 :(
I don't get how this has THAT many dislikes..I think it's great that someone finally pointed this out, even though everyone with a boosted VDub product already knows.
+Ibrahim Hoag I suggest you re-read what you wrote........ LOL! For real people, the public school system is just continuing to fail the citizens of our country.....
Frost WP/LAX Dang princess, your panties all in a bunch now? LOL! First, my post was to represent that we can't get the RS4 anymore. Second, we have NEVER received an avant RS4 in the US. A mistake in completing the post and you go into some nonsensical shit about Californians and work? Stupid! But hey, who really cares? It keeps your ass planted right where you are and keeps you from infesting the rest of the country with dumb shit Californians! SMHL....... Fucking Californians......
Harris on Cars was the first YT channel I gave paytreon to, back in the day. Loved this vid. Bought an A6 Allroad with the 3.0tfsi and did a pulley and a map to 480bhp. Silver with silver seats its a weapon in a straight line. Wobbles a bit in corners and brakes are just about OK. Proper grandad spec sleeper! Cheers Chris. Never saw you much after Drive......!😂😂
I also had my 2008 1.8 TSi VW Passat CC tuned by Revo Pros: + Lots more power and a MOUNTAIN load more torque!! It gives the car the power to match its looks, and goes faster than say a Golf GTI now. + Even better fuel consumption than standard while cruising. + Harder/snortier engine note. Cons: - The extra pressure created caused several air leaks in the turbo piping (my car was only 4 years old with 60k miles) and more than a £1000 pounds later trying to get it fixed at various garages.. a leak still pops up somewhere after a few days. The leaking air causes power losses and car jerks under acceleration. I'm depressed and have given up trying to fix it, I just don't accelerate the car hard many more. And no one wants to buy it now. - The Revo remap only runs on RON 98+ Super Unleaded fuel. - Black smoke through exhaust. CONCLUSION: Just buy a fucking BMW 330i or M3!
Sorry to hear that, seems these guys don't bother to tell their customers about the consequences of re-mapping without supporting mods - happy to take peoples money and run I guess. There is nothing wrong with tuning, but to make big power you have to do it right - just changing the factory maps to output this kind of power without adding supporting mods to keep the car healthy is always going to end badly. My advise, find out what other owners of your specific type of vehicle have done, and what problems they have had before you do any tuning. Owners groups are usually the best place to start for advice on what upgrades you need to do before messing with boost and mix.
***** BMW don't sell the 2 series in M trim where I live (not sure if they are ever going to), plus it's too small for my needs - and not keen on Subaru, sure great performance but too ugly on the outside & cheap an nasty feeling on the inside - thus I drive Aussie Ford muscle - loads of power and luxurious enough too.
@@RevoHQ thanks for the comment. I'm going to buy a newer '18 B9 soon I couldnt find the Revo stage1 for the turbo version do you do one? and if so any dealers in the Kent east Sussex area. I know you know ! but the difference in performance was awesome, we even overtook a few tasty 911s on the nordschliefe ...anyone with an S4 you have to have this map
This is similar to BMW and how they under rate their motors. Take for example the N54 on the 3 series 335i, stock is 300hp, when you had a $479.00 piggy back tune to it, you go up to almost 370hp - just from the tune, not mentioning the down pipes, or the inter cooler or intake. The Germans really know how to squeeze every last bit of performance out of their engines. These are sleeper cars.
Have you seen the 114i? Its the same engine as 118i but stupidly toned down. Just by remap you go from 102 to... 200 BHP!!!!! (my friend did so like 6 months ago and no problems what so ever. The MPG even improved (by only 10-15% but still)
just perfect review, anyone can find himself in it. And i perfectly match with: "It is the car i would like to have outside my door all year long, but probably for all the wrong reasons." to me, Chris Haris is one of the best movie and review guy around cars on web right now. Whitch means - he is the best at all. Thank you Mr. Harris
Being someone that could never afford an RS5, but would love to, at least I can afford the S5 and upgrade it to get the performance of the RS5. I know this video is about S4/RS4 but the same reasoning applies to the B8.5 S5/RS5, which I am a huge fan of :)
I love what you were doing with Revo. You should continue to prove that with other VAG cars too, for example with GTIs, they go from 210 to 245hp, and even with the poor mans Audi (A4 1.8T) they have it from 180 to 220hp. It is marvelous what Revo, Unitronic, APR and all ECU tuning softwares can do.
The S4 _has_ launch control: - put it in S - switch off the traction control - put your foot on the brake - the other foot on the throttle... I have a 2005 V6 A3 and for me it works like that :-)
I saw a tuning house bragging about the power they could extract from an Audi S4 by just changing the mapping, didnt give them the light of day little did I know this is the kind of Horse Power they could churn out of that Audi. Hats off to you Chris for another great show!
I was wondering the same thing; it could be that a guy bought it, decided he wanted another car later, and gave it to his wife. It would explain all the body damage and scraped wheels.
SuperN0va Yes that's definitely a possibility, if it wasn't for me being so fussy my wife's car would never see a wash (other than perhaps a car wash, which just makes things worse in the long run)
Matthew Sharpe Agreed. About a month before I had paid off the Solara and was going to sell it and get something nicer, guess who comes home with "a deer ran into the car (while sobbing)". Front passenger side obliterated. Some things in life, most women just cannot appreciate.
CHWDresom Yes - my current car is of similar value, sure it's not a Ferrari - but I look after it because regardless of being able to afford it or not, it's a lot of money to spend on something and then just treat it like crap. My point is that I work for my money, therefore what I spend it on is valuable to me, therefore I look after my stuff. I suspect that the original owner of this car may not have valued what they have because they did not have to work for it.
Every single video that includes something related to Audi there's 90% of BMW and Mercedes fans saying that their fav. automaker is "way better than Audi" and I'm quite getting tired of it, most of them come from places like the U.S., where Audi isn't really known for what it is, I've had the chance of driving a 535i (it handled nice but it was like if it's engine wasn't there) and a MBenz E350 (I have to confess that it was a really nice car) but the Audi A6 is the one I kept, it has lot of safety features and lots of technology. For all those who are saying RWD > AWD I reply to them "Really? did you even get your car to its limiter? how many times when you are driving on the road did you exceed 200 kph? And why would you even need so much acceleration? (FYI 2014 Audi A6 3.0T does 0-60 in 5.7s when the 535i (non xDrive) does 5.9 s) Search youtube for Nose - Tush or even standard drag races between an A6 and a 535i, then come back and comment. I know this has nothing to do with this video, it just grinds my gears
I drive a bmw and I think all 3 brands are good but in different ways ... also sick of all the bullshit comments. They’re all damn good cars in their own way.
I went in a friends Audi S4/estate tonight, was about 350 BHP and felt very very rapid, the DSG box is the equiv of at least another 60 BHP, the way it chewed through the gears was impressive, it wasn't far off a skyline GTR, with a few mods it would easy give a GTR something to worry about. And it had a baby seat in the back. Impressive. But apparently it does shit MPG around 20 normal driving, we drone back from the cinema, 6 mile trip, 1/3 of which was gunning it and the rest normal, and it did 15 MPG. Not sure that is an exception, but that might be a problem for some people.
We tested a S5 Sportback, basically the same car as the S4, with and without the Revo remap, it also had 100 ron fuel and aftermarket air filters. Results? Stock: 350hp. Revo-ed: 434hp. Once we finished with it it had 448 hp and it was way faster then the RS5. Obviously I would at least double the oil checks...
I'm curious to see the outcome of a drag race between these two under full load! I think if you load them with people and luggage the rs4 will get a serious slap...
B7 RS4 with the 4.2 v8 is my dream car. So beautiful! Has giant 8 piston carbon ceramics up front stock, 6speed manual and is extremely responsive to bolt ons and tune.
In what world is the Audi S4 a stealthy, slow-looking car??! Anyone who knows anything about cars will see one (big wheels, big brakes, big tyres, quad exhaust, S4 badges) and know that it's a beast of a motorcar...
it is really stealthy because people who do not know cars well think of names like Ferrari, Lambos, maybe corvettes and mustangs in the US and then this thing that looks like it only carries kids to school blasts off the line
IF you compare the normal audi a4, to the S4 its an insane car. Its the same, but alot more horsepower. A4's are common, very common. The S4 you dont see much, they are kinda rare. Thats because they are so fucking expensive. At least in Norway.
Indeed, just because you can do something doesn't mean the stock engineering can deal with it. My car stock had 270kw/550nm, you can change the standard mapping and get 350+ with the standard kit & it'll run fine on pump fuel for a while, but if you don't add some supporting mods in - bigger intercooler, uprated injectors, cat-back exhaust as a minimum, you are not going to have a reliable car any more. Generally OEM turbo setups have a little bit of overhead in them, but if you push them this far without supporting mods, something has to give sooner or later. This was filmed over a year ago - I wonder if the car is still running?
Most likely what they did was install multiple programs into the ECM and use the small DLC module to switch the programs. The 2008/2009 ECMs are the same.
I look on compares to this, a company in Sweden that use MTM tune say the stage 1 tune from them give the S4 100hp+ and 100nm torque for around 1000€, also included is a gearbox strengthening if you dont have manual and they take away the 155mph speed limiter.
I must've watched this video 10 times by now. I have a B8.5 S4 and I would love to get it Revo tuned but there is only one company in New Zealand that does it and they're a couple of thousand km away from me. Oh well, even in stock form it's fast enough to get you in trouble so I'll just have to enjoy it the way Audi made it.
@@zippycentral Cheers. I had a look at his website. Does he make the tunes or is he selling Revo/another brands tune? Revo, I.E. etc spend thousands of hours developing and testing their tunes to ensure the best balance of performance and longevity of the engine. I remember reading somewhere that Revo had bought an S4 and done thousands of km of testing on it to make sure that the tune was as good and safe as it could be. I found an NZ based website called "alittletuningco.nz" that sells Integrated Engineering tunes for the S4/S5 for $1630 including the dongle that you need to load the tune on. I think I'll go that route if I decide the bite the bullet.
about to pick up an a4 s line estate. So wish my budget was a little larger to get the s4 instead. Even with the battle scars, I'm loving that gorgeous red estate. I understand that this is an old posting and video but Congrats all the same! :) She must be a delightful yet bonkers to drive after your tune and add ons? Wish I was buying that one. Cheers!
Go with APR tuning instead. The founder of Revo is a former employee who stole their technology, You can read all about the lawsuits on the APR legal page. I have the APR ECU flash in my S4 and its a freaking rocket.
***** Not at all. As a business owner with proprietary intellectual property of my own, I refuse to support a company that infringes on copyright laws. Besides, I am extremely happy with my APR tuning and will always recommend something that is tried, tested and true. Whatever your choice in tuners is, you'll be happy with a tuned S$. I just have business ethic standards that are not in line with REVO.
***** I'm not saying it'd be a big improvement but it definitely can improve the character of N/A engines significantly even if it doesn't give huge torque/HP gains.
Maximus Decimus Meridius considering how close these cars were, it seems very relevant. Engine character has a measurable impact on such a test. I'm not saying the RS4 would win, but it'd be a much more fair comparison.
That's chip-tuning turbocharged cars for ya. But you still need hardware mods to get *real* power boost. For instance, if you started with A4 rather than S4, you'd have to replace injectors, intercooler, and probably the fuel pump. Of course, you started with an S4 which already has many things upgraded.
I also asked the local dealer from Revotechnik/Stasis about possibilities and they as well said up to 500 should be no big problem. Anything further will cost dearly though since you will definitely have to upgrade the S-Tronic Gearbox and parts of the engine.
You can't say the that it makes the RS4 look bad when the S4 has been tuned. It's no longer a standard. This shouldn't take anything away from the Audi RS4. A tuned Audi S3 can be faster than an R8, still doesn't take anything away from the R8
Jason Young I have an modified Evo and yes I can make it faster than an R8, but when I buy the R8 I could care less about another car being faster. I'll always love my Evo because it's fast and very modifiable. But the overall experience of owning a supercar is special too. Just like the Evo, V10s won't be around much longer, and while the guy in the S3 may be smiling cause he beat me, I'll be smiling everytime I hear that engine sing. I love cars! Take care.
i didnt really pay attention, but think it was £18-20k. All I remember was thinking it was pretty much what Chris says in the video he paid for it 3 years ago! All the bodywork and interior had been fully refurbed though.
I bought it from the dealer that bought it from Chris. The car was stripped and all the wheels and the bodywork was done with pretty much a full re-spray. Now, it's showroom and is my daily.
@ Akhe Naten, M cars are the best driver cars lol. AMG cars handle like dogs i dont know where u got that BS from. The last gen M3 from 2007 beat the current gen of Audi RS4 around a track the BMW even had 35 odd less horsepower. Nothing can match an M cars performance BMW are the benchmark and have been for quite some time
Both are amaizing German Quality Sportcars The S4 B8 as a 3.0TFSi V6 Supercharged engine in optionally Stronic automatic Gearboxes produccing 333 horsepower The RS4 Avant B8 as a 4.2FSi V8 naturally aspirated produccing 450 horsepower(RS5 Coupe engine) with unically Stronic automatic gearbox
John Spartan Fast Estates or 'Avants' are attractive for exactly that reason. You could take yourself to a bitterly fast, high octane death but you can take your old sofa and your dogs with you too!
I'm guessing these software mods will reduce the reliability and life of the engine because after all there is a reason the manufacturers don't map the engines like that in the first place, and the manufacturers clearly do much more testing on the car than the tuners do.
I brought my S4 on the back of watching this video and a little research. Opted for MRC custom tune and pull upgrade. Will out pace an RS4 all day long. Ok doesn't look as nice, but has the power and a great family car
Sounds crazy that a software change could have that result, but then again, remember that Audi may have intentionally de-tuned the S4 slightly so that the RS4 would be a significant upgrade.
+Jason Holtkamp
Maybe not. I can bet surely that the S4 can't pass an emissions test.
+Jason Holtkamp If you saw the revo kit, they add a supercharger belt and pulley, and intake along with software programming.
Its very misleading with that little DLC connector because he only used it to change the current tune used by the ECU
I guess all commercial car engines are a bit de-tuned. If you max them out , they woldn´t be as reliable. The tuned engine of the s4 will probably have some problems in the near future.
66k miles on my last s4 with APR tune. Not a single issue.
can you please tell me what do you do when you have to take ur car for repair (when it had warranty) did they have to detune the car??? like how does it work.
The S series cars DO have launch control but it's hidden, press and hold the esp button for 5 seconds, put it in sport, foot hard on the brake then hard on the throttle.
You'll have 4 seconds of 4k launch mode before it will cut off so you have 4 seconds to launch once punching the throttle. Just lift right off the brake to launch
i tried this in my moms s5 ho lee shit
Your mum has a cool fucking car
I'm going to try it on my dads new s4, he just sold his evo 10 for it.
Xtscore My dad had an S4, it's fucking nuts
Will this work on an '08 S6?
As long as a car has a turbo or supercharger there is always more to be had
Have u seen highway 3 from sweden rs4 sedan all natrul no turbo. U don't need turbo o or supercharger
_Laughs in Lancia Delta S4_
@@doabarrellroll69 VW tried it too.. not quite as successful 😂
And more weight, and overheating issues, and moving parts, and more parts to break, and tuning and fuel issues, they have their place but its not the "end all be all" unless you only care about straight line speed.
The S4 B8 was an incredible package from the day it was launched. And by the way Chris, you can re-tune the gearbox software too, it will enable LC and a lot more features, after that it will be faster then the RS4.
Does the B6 have the same ability to upgrade as much from a tune?
@@Berkmugga no
Back when N/A was pretty standard, wasnt really talked about the sound. But can we in 2019/2020 just admire the sound of that V8?🥰
We really didn’t know how good we had it.. today everything is muted with a turbo the size of the engine. Soul completely gone. C63 was the last one to capitulate.
@@jgripen969 where did I hear the thing about soul :) ppl say that aboot ev but turbos are still cool
I just bought 64 plate RS4 and I love that V8 sound. So immense, so characterful and such a good drive.
10:12 the wheels on the RS were perfectly synced to the camera refresh rate
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5 years after this video and that B8 S4 is within reach of a peasant like me. I saw a few listed on Auto Trader recently which made me think of this video. The thought of one of these on my driveway is...exciting.
Doing exactly that right now...
Same as me. Still can't really afford a 10-11 year old one yet though maybe another year and I'll be there
Maybe in a five years or so... These still costs around 30k euros where I live in, thats more than I make in a year. Car taxes in my country sucks.
can get them for under 10 grand canadian and that's quite cheap for how good these cars are...
i got one list past fall and i love it!
The b8.5 comes with launch control, and there are tcu tunes as well. The b8.5 s4 is hands down one of the best daily drivers. Awd so good for all weather, insanely reliable, makes great power and torque, plenty of room, looks great inside, looks great outside too but doesn't draw too much attention which is nice when using daily, AND it actually gets pretty good mileage too. Even with a stage 1 tune I can still get 25 mpg
how do you do launch control?
Is the b8.5 significantly more reliable than the b8?
@@tomhuish7617 The most significant upgrades are the mechatronics issues that haunted the B8, and things like the PCV, Water pump etc that were an issue in the B8, have been revised in the B8.5. I believe the B8.5 to be one of the better variants of German cars for reliability.
@@tomhuish7617as far as the dsg goes yes. Engine is the same, same issues same reliability. Replaces pvc, thermostat and water pump on a b8 and b8.5. Same exact deal.
@@technugget873 press and hold ESP button for 5 seconds, put into sport mode. Foot HARD on break and slam the accelerator right down puts to 4K revs then let go of Break as quick as possible once at 4K
I now own this car. Inside stripped and cleaned, all the bodywork corrected and sprayed, wheels re-furbed - now a showroom looking vehicle. It is also now running with the supercharger pully upgrade, airbox and gearbox map.
has it been reliable ? any gearbox issues ?
I've had my s4 remapped with revo and impressed with it but now I'm booking it in for the revo stage 1+ .
Did you see a difference to yours when you did it ?
I went to REVO with my MK5 VW GTI and it surprised the hell out of me. Completely different car.
That software isn't cheap. But it's totally worth it. It must be fun blowing people out of the water with what appears to be a normal everyday station-wagon
Do you know the price diff btw the S4 and RS4?
David Kariuki The S4 you are looking at a base price of 48,000 U.S dollars. For the RS4 your looking at a base price of around 65,000 U.S. dollars.
how much we talking? because i asked about the a5 2.0t ecu remap here in australia and was quoted at 1000-1500$ for the software
***** Does the bluefin map still perform as well as the other two?
Robert
I drive a flashed 2003 Audi RS6 and have a lot of fun with kids and their hotrods. The only thing faster (and then just), is a GT-R. Someday American car makers will figure it out and offer AWD standard.
I've just bought an S4 on Mr Harris' recommendation.
Its bloody amazing as standard! I am looking to do the stage 1 upgrade to over 400 bhp though. Cant wait!
You might want to check the VAG Technic videos on this engine before you do 🤭
William, this was a comparison to show how close these 2 cars can be in terms of power output with just a little bit of money/tune thrown at the new 3.0 Supercharged Audi engine. For the small investment needed, an S4 owner with the supercharged power train can end up with NEAR RS4 straight line performance.
Any RS owner will likely still frown upon such statistics as there is more to tuning than simple power output.
I own a 2010 S5 "Daytona Grey" Coupe (4.2L 8 cylinder) with the 6 spd manual transmission (perhaps 1 or only a handful ever built) and i love my 8 cylinder engine regardless of what tuners can do with the forced induction power plant. My 8 cylinder makes erotic and awesome noises the 6 cylinder could only DREAM about.
Tis the wonderful difference between so many of the automobiles we car enthusiasts own...sound, performance, looks, branding, etc.
Great video Chris Harris..keep them coming!!!
That’s rs4 is just absolutely fucking beautiful. By far my favorite audi, such a timeless design. Top 5 cars I have to own someday
My dad still can’t understand how this works. I’ve tried explaining it to him but he doesn’t understand how you make a combustion engine that much stronger without fiddling with any of the mechanical components. Can you imagine his shock when he found out that newer cars come with much of the features that you didn’t pay for, just need to activate them.
Xddd
I'm just astonished by this, I've been looking at ways to get into an RS4 but on the strength of this I could get the new S4 due next year, get the mod, save 20k and go and frighten some RS4 drivers!
+Lee McDonald honestly mate i have s5 same engine as s4 and it beats the rs5 first 4 gears and keeps with it the rest with just a stage 1 chip!
+Markanaldo yeah true but imagine what tuning the RS4 would do
+mahunik Not a lot unfortunately. RS4 is a NA engine, so tuning potential is extremely limited. Companies quoting more than +10BHP for a stage 1 are probably over estimating.....
Adding a pulley upgrade and going Stage 2 on the supercharged V6 gets even more silly...
yeah i was mistaken I thought they had some turbos on the newer Rs4s. but yeah pretty much any naturally aspirated wont get much power out of a tune.
+mahunik It's looking likely that the new B9 RS4/5 will have an electric turbo. Something to look forward to :) Bit disappointed that the S4/5 will also be turbo rather than supercharged...love my supercharged V6 :(
I don't get how this has THAT many dislikes..I think it's great that someone finally pointed this out, even though everyone with a boosted VDub product already knows.
bmw and mercedes folk??? 😉😁😂
The high speed camera work showing the LCS is awesome, thanks!
Chris Harris reviews are by FAR the best of any. You are the man and you have my absolute dream job
I just love the 8k revs with the v8, especially with the audi's.
My 6 year warranty finally expired on my B8.5 S4. Time to tune it!
looking at buying one right now, what ended up happening?
Damn that rs4 avant is just beautiful. Can't get it in the states. Can't get any RS4.
+Adrizz5447 Which is a shame. Everyone here in the states wants an SUV or a crossover. I'd be all about a wagon!
+Adrizz5447 Check out the B7 RS4. It's a sedan but certified RS4
+Ibrahim Hoag I suggest you re-read what you wrote........ LOL! For real people, the public school system is just continuing to fail the citizens of our country.....
Frost WP/LAX Dang princess, your panties all in a bunch now? LOL! First, my post was to represent that we can't get the RS4 anymore. Second, we have NEVER received an avant RS4 in the US. A mistake in completing the post and you go into some nonsensical shit about Californians and work? Stupid! But hey, who really cares? It keeps your ass planted right where you are and keeps you from infesting the rest of the country with dumb shit Californians! SMHL....... Fucking Californians......
+Frost WP/LAX there are many avant audi in USA man . but it may not exist in your place that's why u didn't see it lol
Harris on Cars was the first YT channel I gave paytreon to, back in the day. Loved this vid. Bought an A6 Allroad with the 3.0tfsi and did a pulley and a map to 480bhp. Silver with silver seats its a weapon in a straight line. Wobbles a bit in corners and brakes are just about OK. Proper grandad spec sleeper! Cheers Chris. Never saw you much after Drive......!😂😂
Both S4 and RS4 rule, I would say. Thanks for the awesome video.
I tuned my RS3 - resulted in a terrifyingly fast car churning out 450hp. Six months later the differential snapped. :(
I also had my 2008 1.8 TSi VW Passat CC tuned by Revo
Pros:
+ Lots more power and a MOUNTAIN load more torque!! It gives the car the power to match its looks, and goes faster than say a Golf GTI now.
+ Even better fuel consumption than standard while cruising.
+ Harder/snortier engine note.
Cons:
- The extra pressure created caused several air leaks in the turbo piping (my car was only 4 years old with 60k miles) and more than a £1000 pounds later trying to get it fixed at various garages.. a leak still pops up somewhere after a few days. The leaking air causes power losses and car jerks under acceleration. I'm depressed and have given up trying to fix it, I just don't accelerate the car hard many more. And no one wants to buy it now.
- The Revo remap only runs on RON 98+ Super Unleaded fuel.
- Black smoke through exhaust.
CONCLUSION: Just buy a fucking BMW 330i or M3!
Sorry to hear that, seems these guys don't bother to tell their customers about the consequences of re-mapping without supporting mods - happy to take peoples money and run I guess.
There is nothing wrong with tuning, but to make big power you have to do it right - just changing the factory maps to output this kind of power without adding supporting mods to keep the car healthy is always going to end badly.
My advise, find out what other owners of your specific type of vehicle have done, and what problems they have had before you do any tuning. Owners groups are usually the best place to start for advice on what upgrades you need to do before messing with boost and mix.
***** BMW don't sell the 2 series in M trim where I live (not sure if they are ever going to), plus it's too small for my needs - and not keen on Subaru, sure great performance but too ugly on the outside & cheap an nasty feeling on the inside - thus I drive Aussie Ford muscle - loads of power and luxurious enough too.
Well - next time tune a car with a more sturdy block - like the 3.0 TFSI. :D
***** Rather buy a car with the N54 engine, it tunes much better than the N55.
Since the engine in the S4 is the same as in the A4 3.0 TFSI, you can even get the power of an RS4 out of a regular A4 3.0 - sick.
100% correct I have a 2013 S4 Avant had the Revo map done, drastically changed the performance🏎💨
Glad you're enjoying it :)
@@RevoHQ thanks for the comment. I'm going to buy a newer '18 B9 soon I couldnt find the Revo stage1 for the turbo version do you do one? and if so any dealers in the Kent east Sussex area. I know you know ! but the difference in performance was awesome, we even overtook a few tasty 911s on the nordschliefe ...anyone with an S4 you have to have this map
Chris manages to make tuning a classy thing. You're the best, man.
We talking about updating your car to android 3.1.2.2 jelly bean to make it go faster, oh god!
5:36 "we're just peggin' each other" 😂😂😂
This is similar to BMW and how they under rate their motors. Take for example the N54 on the 3 series 335i, stock is 300hp, when you had a $479.00 piggy back tune to it, you go up to almost 370hp - just from the tune, not mentioning the down pipes, or the inter cooler or intake. The Germans really know how to squeeze every last bit of performance out of their engines. These are sleeper cars.
actually BMW rates accurately. If you pout them on a dyno. Mercedes and Audi underrate them on paper. Do some reading its interesting.
Have you seen the 114i? Its the same engine as 118i but stupidly toned down.
Just by remap you go from 102 to... 200 BHP!!!!! (my friend did so like 6 months ago and no problems what so ever. The MPG even improved (by only 10-15% but still)
@@DeeJayAdverb Audi underrates them ? Ok then read some about the RS5 8t. Dont generalize everything
@@NYYXX All forced induction engines, not that lousy 4.2
the engine itself can do 650 without changing the internals. The turbos are shitty and need to be replaced.
just perfect review, anyone can find himself in it. And i perfectly match with: "It is the car i would like to have outside my door all year long, but probably for all the wrong reasons."
to me, Chris Haris is one of the best movie and review guy around cars on web right now. Whitch means - he is the best at all. Thank you Mr. Harris
The s4 engine just lends itself better to being more easily tuned. Great result and good to see a back to back comparison.
5:40 "We're just pegging each other"
Being someone that could never afford an RS5, but would love to, at least I can afford the S5 and upgrade it to get the performance of the RS5. I know this video is about S4/RS4 but the same reasoning applies to the B8.5 S5/RS5, which I am a huge fan of :)
It would be interesting to put that supercharged S4 up against a tuned B5 RS4.
I love what you were doing with Revo. You should continue to prove that with other VAG cars too, for example with GTIs, they go from 210 to 245hp, and even with the poor mans Audi (A4 1.8T) they have it from 180 to 220hp.
It is marvelous what Revo, Unitronic, APR and all ECU tuning softwares can do.
I wouldn't mind it Mr Harris ended up on Fifth Gear or Top Gear. Very good presenter/ car journalist.
The people that own that S4 don't deserve :/
hahhahaha
@Guybrush Threepwood No good car gets it's "engine destroyed" by flooring the gas pedal. Good God man, what kind of POS car would do that?!?
lmao two years too late, but that is Chris Harris' personal car LMAO
Candy monster 120 An Audi.
The S4 _has_ launch control:
- put it in S
- switch off the traction control
- put your foot on the brake
- the other foot on the throttle...
I have a 2005 V6 A3 and for me it works like that :-)
"We're just pegging each other now?" Phrasing, Chris! :P
Found this video a couple of years ago and 6 weeks ago bought an S5 convertible on the back of the impressive performance. It is absolutely stunning.
Chris your stuff is so consistently brilliant and I get to watch it all for free on here. Thanks!
Would love to see a similar comparison between an m3 and a 335i
Where the fuck was this video when i has my s4😅 smfh
These tunes are common knowledge to automotive enthusiasts and have been available for Audi's and VW's for a long time.
First drag race 2:39 second drag race after map 5:14
I saw a tuning house bragging about the power they could extract from an Audi S4 by just changing the mapping, didnt give them the light of day little did I know this is the kind of Horse Power they could churn out of that Audi. Hats off to you Chris for another great show!
CH is the only reason I still watch TG 👍
Man, who buys an S4 and treats it like that? Someone with mummy and daddy money I bet.
I was wondering the same thing; it could be that a guy bought it, decided he wanted another car later, and gave it to his wife. It would explain all the body damage and scraped wheels.
SuperN0va Yes that's definitely a possibility, if it wasn't for me being so fussy my wife's car would never see a wash (other than perhaps a car wash, which just makes things worse in the long run)
Matthew Sharpe Agreed. About a month before I had paid off the Solara and was going to sell it and get something nicer, guess who comes home with "a deer ran into the car (while sobbing)". Front passenger side obliterated. Some things in life, most women just cannot appreciate.
a mid-rich person can easily afford audi s4, even in this shithole where i live
CHWDresom Yes - my current car is of similar value, sure it's not a Ferrari - but I look after it because regardless of being able to afford it or not, it's a lot of money to spend on something and then just treat it like crap.
My point is that I work for my money, therefore what I spend it on is valuable to me, therefore I look after my stuff. I suspect that the original owner of this car may not have valued what they have because they did not have to work for it.
Every single video that includes something related to Audi there's 90% of BMW and Mercedes fans saying that their fav. automaker is "way better than Audi" and I'm quite getting tired of it, most of them come from places like the U.S., where Audi isn't really known for what it is, I've had the chance of driving a 535i (it handled nice but it was like if it's engine wasn't there) and a MBenz E350 (I have to confess that it was a really nice car) but the Audi A6 is the one I kept, it has lot of safety features and lots of technology. For all those who are saying RWD > AWD I reply to them "Really? did you even get your car to its limiter? how many times when you are driving on the road did you exceed 200 kph? And why would you even need so much acceleration? (FYI 2014 Audi A6 3.0T does 0-60 in 5.7s when the 535i (non xDrive) does 5.9 s)
Search youtube for Nose - Tush or even standard drag races between an A6 and a 535i, then come back and comment.
I know this has nothing to do with this video, it just grinds my gears
Do you even drift?
do you?
No, fwd...
I drive a bmw and I think all 3 brands are good but in different ways ... also sick of all the bullshit comments. They’re all damn good cars in their own way.
Thank you for the video, I miss my tuned 2000 B5 S4.
I went in a friends Audi S4/estate tonight, was about 350 BHP and felt very very rapid, the DSG box is the equiv of at least another 60 BHP, the way it chewed through the gears was impressive, it wasn't far off a skyline GTR, with a few mods it would easy give a GTR something to worry about.
And it had a baby seat in the back. Impressive. But apparently it does shit MPG around 20 normal driving, we drone back from the cinema, 6 mile trip, 1/3 of which was gunning it and the rest normal, and it did 15 MPG.
Not sure that is an exception, but that might be a problem for some people.
We tested a S5 Sportback, basically the same car as the S4, with and without the Revo remap, it also had 100 ron fuel and aftermarket air filters. Results? Stock: 350hp. Revo-ed: 434hp. Once we finished with it it had 448 hp and it was way faster then the RS5. Obviously I would at least double the oil checks...
I'm curious to see the outcome of a drag race between these two under full load! I think if you load them with people and luggage the rs4 will get a serious slap...
If you have the extra cream to spend def get the RS which looks sooo sexy!
I wanted to cry seeing an S4 in that condition :'(
I remember seeing this video eighth years ago and thinking: damn, i want i S4!.
Now i own one just like that
B7 RS4 with the 4.2 v8 is my dream car. So beautiful! Has giant 8 piston carbon ceramics up front stock, 6speed manual and is extremely responsive to bolt ons and tune.
Have u got one now?
amazing result ..
In what world is the Audi S4 a stealthy, slow-looking car??!
Anyone who knows anything about cars will see one (big wheels, big brakes, big tyres, quad exhaust, S4 badges) and know that it's a beast of a motorcar...
haha i guess comparing it to the rs4 it is stealthy
it is really stealthy because people who do not know cars well think of names like Ferrari, Lambos, maybe corvettes and mustangs in the US and then this thing that looks like it only carries kids to school blasts off the line
IF you compare the normal audi a4, to the S4 its an insane car. Its the same, but alot more horsepower. A4's are common, very common. The S4 you dont see much, they are kinda rare. Thats because they are so fucking expensive. At least in Norway.
It’s a sedan that’s why lol
I wish the RS4 was in North America 😕
it is
+Ian Pleasant RS4 avant
+Ian Pleasant like the one on the video
Simon Esik yep, call your dealership
+Ian Pleasant I'm in Canada....
Thank you for this! Buying 2012 S4 @ a lovely price care-of depreciation. Cheers Chris!
Good old Chris Harris good to see you back!
Did this with my S3, 7 months later the turbo burned out.
Indeed, just because you can do something doesn't mean the stock engineering can deal with it. My car stock had 270kw/550nm, you can change the standard mapping and get 350+ with the standard kit & it'll run fine on pump fuel for a while, but if you don't add some supporting mods in - bigger intercooler, uprated injectors, cat-back exhaust as a minimum, you are not going to have a reliable car any more. Generally OEM turbo setups have a little bit of overhead in them, but if you push them this far without supporting mods, something has to give sooner or later. This was filmed over a year ago - I wonder if the car is still running?
I've done APR tuning on a MKIV 1.8T Jetta, B6 1.8T A4 and a B7 2.0T A4 and never had a problem with any of them
Bill Lindsay maybe you don't race just because you now have 50 hp more.
Pretty sure I beat the crap out of those cars and still didn't have a problem
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"we're just pegging each other" hahahaha
Mostly changed the mapping of fuel and inlet+ exhaust flow control unit
Most likely what they did was install multiple programs into the ECM and use the small DLC module to switch the programs. The 2008/2009 ECMs are the same.
Ya this guy is the only reason why I'm still subscribed...
How's the S4's gearbox after the remapping and power increase?
I hope the standard gearbox lasts without expensive trouble and strife.
please give it to AMMO NYC
I look on compares to this, a company in Sweden that use MTM tune say the stage 1 tune from them give the S4 100hp+ and 100nm torque for around 1000€, also included is a gearbox strengthening if you dont have manual and they take away the 155mph speed limiter.
Brunlera SAME TUNE - ALL BASED ON THE ORIGINAL APR TUNE...YOU'RE LOOKING AT A B8.5 S4 RATHER THAN A B8 - WHICH THE ABOVE IS
I must've watched this video 10 times by now. I have a B8.5 S4 and I would love to get it Revo tuned but there is only one company in New Zealand that does it and they're a couple of thousand km away from me. Oh well, even in stock form it's fast enough to get you in trouble so I'll just have to enjoy it the way Audi made it.
Contact Peter at superchips nz. They’re on fb. Had my Q5 tdi done and made big improvement. Just got an s5 and doing next month.
@@zippycentral Cheers. I had a look at his website. Does he make the tunes or is he selling Revo/another brands tune? Revo, I.E. etc spend thousands of hours developing and testing their tunes to ensure the best balance of performance and longevity of the engine. I remember reading somewhere that Revo had bought an S4 and done thousands of km of testing on it to make sure that the tune was as good and safe as it could be. I found an NZ based website called "alittletuningco.nz" that sells Integrated Engineering tunes for the S4/S5 for $1630 including the dongle that you need to load the tune on. I think I'll go that route if I decide the bite the bullet.
With no intake, exhaust or pully that's damn good man
Should have gone to MRC Chris
Thats no happening ever again , the next rs4 will be turbo as well , just like the 335i and m3 .
That would be nuts
Haha bmw got so mad that people were tuning 335i's that they made the ecu's on newer cars more difficult to tune
Never mess with a ,,sleeper''
More videos like this Chris !! How about 335i vs 335d vs m3 the difference between standard and remapped
about to pick up an a4 s line estate. So wish my budget was a little larger to get the s4 instead. Even with the battle scars, I'm loving that gorgeous red estate.
I understand that this is an old posting and video but Congrats all the same! :)
She must be a delightful yet bonkers to drive after your tune and add ons? Wish I was buying that one.
Cheers!
Go with APR tuning instead. The founder of Revo is a former employee who stole their technology, You can read all about the lawsuits on the APR legal page. I have the APR ECU flash in my S4 and its a freaking rocket.
What year is your S4 and how much did all of your mods run you?
***** Not at all. As a business owner with proprietary intellectual property of my own, I refuse to support a company that infringes on copyright laws. Besides, I am extremely happy with my APR tuning and will always recommend something that is tried, tested and true. Whatever your choice in tuners is, you'll be happy with a tuned S$. I just have business ethic standards that are not in line with REVO.
I feel like you should have tuned the RS4 as well to have a more fair comparison...
***** I'm not saying it'd be a big improvement but it definitely can improve the character of N/A engines significantly even if it doesn't give huge torque/HP gains.
THAT wasn't the point lol....
Maximus Decimus Meridius considering how close these cars were, it seems very relevant. Engine character has a measurable impact on such a test.
I'm not saying the RS4 would win, but it'd be a much more fair comparison.
Price + that takes the taco
he never saw it I think lol
That's chip-tuning turbocharged cars for ya. But you still need hardware mods to get *real* power boost. For instance, if you started with A4 rather than S4, you'd have to replace injectors, intercooler, and probably the fuel pump. Of course, you started with an S4 which already has many things upgraded.
It's supercharged
imsmokingcheese , right. Doesn't make much difference, except you need a different pulley to get more boost from SC.
What’s with the what if comments?
I also asked the local dealer from Revotechnik/Stasis about possibilities and they as well said up to 500 should be no big problem. Anything further will cost dearly though since you will definitely have to upgrade the S-Tronic Gearbox and parts of the engine.
Awesome vid. Just got my car REVO tuned a couple weeks ago, very fun. Put down 350whp (stock was 300whp), not bad at all.
That S4 looks disgusting. Some people just don't give a shit about anything.
You can't say the that it makes the RS4 look bad when the S4 has been tuned. It's no longer a standard. This shouldn't take anything away from the Audi RS4. A tuned Audi S3 can be faster than an R8, still doesn't take anything away from the R8
That's what he said in the video..
Jason Young I have an modified Evo and yes I can make it faster than an R8, but when I buy the R8 I could care less about another car being faster. I'll always love my Evo because it's fast and very modifiable. But the overall experience of owning a supercar is special too. Just like the Evo, V10s won't be around much longer, and while the guy in the S3 may be smiling cause he beat me, I'll be smiling everytime I hear that engine sing. I love cars! Take care.
George Lappat you really are clueless!
Stupidest thing ive ever heard (s3 cant get to 540hp) thats bs my b5 aeb passat puts 573hp down at the wheels and u think an s3 cant get there haha
He’s right, the RS4 is still a monster. Throws me back in my seat like a elephant has sat on me
I just wanna find out what's going on with the S4's tail light.
Shutter speed of camera verses pulsed output of the led drive circuit
Brilliant video, I’m sold on the s4.
my a6 quattro with the same engine pushes 700 hp. the 3.0t is such a great engine for tuners
Let's see Chris Harris get the new stage 1+ upgrade with DSG map and then run this race again.
Hi Chris, I watch all your videos but Ive been back and watched this many times as its so good.
what ever happend to the old girl ?
I saw it for sale on eBay a few weeks ago.
+Steven Kemp Ok thanks, any ideas of what it went for ?
i didnt really pay attention, but think it was £18-20k. All I remember was thinking it was pretty much what Chris says in the video he paid for it 3 years ago! All the bodywork and interior had been fully refurbed though.
+Steven Kemp Hello Steven Kemp lol
I bought it from the dealer that bought it from Chris. The car was stripped and all the wheels and the bodywork was done with pretty much a full re-spray. Now, it's showroom and is my daily.
@ Akhe Naten, M cars are the best driver cars lol. AMG cars handle like dogs i dont know where u got that BS from. The last gen M3 from 2007 beat the current gen of Audi RS4 around a track the BMW even had 35 odd less horsepower. Nothing can match an M cars performance BMW are the benchmark and have been for quite some time
I think you are mistaking BMW for Porsche benchmark.
Both are amaizing German Quality Sportcars
The S4 B8 as a 3.0TFSi V6 Supercharged engine in optionally Stronic automatic Gearboxes produccing 333 horsepower
The RS4 Avant B8 as a 4.2FSi V8 naturally aspirated produccing 450 horsepower(RS5 Coupe engine) with unically Stronic automatic gearbox
A couple of weeks ago I bought an Audi B8.5 S4 and I can't wait to give it a new tune.
7:08 is just beautiful.
most gorgeous cars everyday use rs3 rs4 rs5 rs6 rs7
What is the appeal for Audi of making 'Estate' racing sports cars? It's not as if I want to shift tons of furniture in the boot space.
Speak for yourself. That's the great thing about sport wagons
sik59rt i agree dude #sleeper
John Spartan This is one car for it all, you can buy a slow estate for the family and a sportscar if you want to go fast.
John Spartan Fast Estates or 'Avants' are attractive for exactly that reason. You could take yourself to a bitterly fast, high octane death but you can take your old sofa and your dogs with you too!
I'm guessing these software mods will reduce the reliability and life of the engine because after all there is a reason the manufacturers don't map the engines like that in the first place, and the manufacturers clearly do much more testing on the car than the tuners do.
I brought my S4 on the back of watching this video and a little research. Opted for MRC custom tune and pull upgrade. Will out pace an RS4 all day long. Ok doesn't look as nice, but has the power and a great family car
what year is your s4? hows reliability so far?