I have my PSO drill my balls the same for most of my balls. I prefer to control my ball motions with speed, rev, and hand release adjustments, so the only differences are the covers and cores. However, for my stronger asymm ball, I tend to get it drilled pin down, so it's more controllable while still driving through the pins. I may try drilling a Magic Gem, Perfect Mindset, or BW 2.0 Hybrid pin up for the top of my bag to see how that works out.
Layout absolutely matters period and can change the core dynamics of a ball pretty considerably either layout to layout or even from the base core stats. Also when you drill any ball that's symmetrical the core becomes asymmetrical! The video and my prior experience proves this for me!
I like to have a mix of layouts, but I have a favorite pin up and a pin down layout that I mostly use. Every once in a while I will go with something different.
I have a little story to tell, 4 years ago I bought a Brunswick vintage vapor zone and gave it to the pro shop and he put my normal layout on it ( 55 x 4 1/4 x 35 ) and I threw this ball for a while but never really liked the ball, I felt like it wasn't maching up to me and my game, and yes I tried different surface prep but still never liked this ball and so it sat in the basement for about 3.5 years. Then I watched a mo pinel video on the you tubes and he was talking about short pin layouts and that got me interested in wanting to try a short pin ball so I took this vapor zone to the pro shop and plugged and redrilled to a short pin ( 2 1/4 from pap ). The surface prep from factory was 500 compound. I'm the type of guy that likes to play up the boards and so I changed the surface to 500 slip agent and man what a difference, this ball went from a ball that I didn't like to a ball that is the first ball out of the bag. It is really sweet. I was using a iq tour and averaging 190's but after switching to the S.P. vapor zone I am now currently averaging 211. This ball gets through the heads clean and doesn't over react on the backend and with that slip agent finish it stores alot of energy and goes through the pins with real intention, you can really see the difference compared to all the other equipment I have, know I am wondering if short pin layouts on slightly different balls could make a even greater impact, I have the itch to experiment, do you guys think I just got lucky and found a ball and layout that worked or do you think this could be repeatable with other equipment, I am curious of your thoughts and want to know more about short pin balls. And to be totally honest I don't really understand all the dinamics of a short pin ball and am really wondering what would happen if I went even shorter of a pin like 1 1/2 to pap?
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All my balls have different layouts to optimize the ball shape that each ball is better suited for. I will change my speed, and release depending on the lane conditions, and choose a ball with the layout i think best suites the conditions or shot. I use both Asy, and sym balls in my 4 ball arsenal. I also throw 3 different weights of ball, again to maximize the shape of the ball. I will shop by numbers, RG, Diff, InterDiff. Sometimes lower weight balls have a more desired numbers depending on the ball motion I am looking for. Of course there is also the surface, I use that to fine tune the ball to conditions, and maintain the reaction i desire
I'm a big hybrid fan, and currently looking at two TNT Infused balls, one to play further left on the burn and the other play more inside with a dull surface on the fresh and maybe transition.
I am too. Most eveey ball in my bag is a hybrid. First one I ever bought was the Storm Hyroad and I immediately fell in love with it. Rolled with it til it pretty much died from all the games I bowled with it. Had it resurfaced a couple times and eventually it was never the same. Ended up eventually buying a Storm Frantic, used it for several years, actually still have it, still hooks nicely but I discovered the Roto Grip Hyper Cell Fused, which was pretty much just a stronger hybrid and it did better on heavier oil. Rolled it until it broke about 3 years ago, had it sitting in my office, was taking a break from bowling over the winter. Went to use it one day and it had a split down the middle. After doing some research I decided to purchase a UFO Alert and it's been a beast of a ball. Very close to the Hyper Cell Fused, for me anyways, maybe a tad cleaner? It's starting to show it's age so I'm on the hunt for my next hybrid. Haven't decided which one I'm going to go with yet......originally was considering a Black Widow 2.0 hybrid, but I'm hearing it doesn't fare well on anything heavier than medium volume and my house shot is more medium heavy, leaning towards heavy. May look at this ball, just found out about it. Skid flippy though so I'm nit sure it would be a good match for me, maybe a good second ball out the bag?
As a new bowler I am still learning how to get my hand around the ball so I can get a true read on my PAP. Once I have that I can work out my best layout. Out the moment the Australian Storm rep has given me a couple of layouts that are working well.
Not sure what you mean by getting your hand around the ball. Hopefully you’re not talking about getting your hand around the ball to hook it. That can get you into some trouble later on.
I have a standard layout I use on most of my equipment, but I will use stronger Pin to PAP distances if I’m drilling something for a specific purpose, like heavier volume
I have 3 Layout that I Normaly Use. Pin up 5.25 I Use Pin Down Stacked under Ring Finger And Love Putting a Strong 3/3/8 Stacked on a Weak Bowling ball. Great for when there is oil on the Outside boards
It all depends on cores, covers, and the strength of the ball. A ball like a Proton I tend to have a 2.5 ish inch pin on it, but a shiny assym ball like the clone or Absolute I will have a 4-5 inch pin. And then balls like the Xponent, aka middle of bag balls I will have a 3-4 inch pin
its actually kinda funny how similar the balls are. They're almost on top of each other, very subtle differences. surface and coverstock are way more impactful than layout.
i have the same layouts for all my bowling balls and dont matter where i bowl on tour or in league i still average 230+.and im a Colombia 300 staffer for 20+ years.
Except my Urethane asym & sym balls I've been having the pin 1" to 11/4" from the PAP. I trust my proshop guy to place where he thinks best along that arc. I've been told that the ball would not hook much drilled like that but it does. It just doesn't flare. League shots depending on the night will cover 15 to 20 boards, It does get to the edge, On sport shots like Kegal Eiffel tower I'm able to roll up 13 to 16 and have that finish hard into the pocket.
Liking the short pin ball a lot more here. I like to see that nice continuous arc when I throw it. Knocks the pins over better that way
I have my PSO drill my balls the same for most of my balls. I prefer to control my ball motions with speed, rev, and hand release adjustments, so the only differences are the covers and cores. However, for my stronger asymm ball, I tend to get it drilled pin down, so it's more controllable while still driving through the pins. I may try drilling a Magic Gem, Perfect Mindset, or BW 2.0 Hybrid pin up for the top of my bag to see how that works out.
Layout absolutely matters period and can change the core dynamics of a ball pretty considerably either layout to layout or even from the base core stats. Also when you drill any ball that's symmetrical the core becomes asymmetrical! The video and my prior experience proves this for me!
layout makes a laughably small difference honestly. changing the surface is the best way to change ball reaction.
That would mean that every bowling ball is an asymmetrical ball. Thats just false
I like to have a mix of layouts, but I have a favorite pin up and a pin down layout that I mostly use. Every once in a while I will go with something different.
I have a little story to tell, 4 years ago I bought a Brunswick vintage vapor zone and gave it to the pro shop and he put my normal layout on it ( 55 x 4 1/4 x 35 ) and I threw this ball for a while but never really liked the ball, I felt like it wasn't maching up to me and my game, and yes I tried different surface prep but still never liked this ball and so it sat in the basement for about 3.5 years. Then I watched a mo pinel video on the you tubes and he was talking about short pin layouts and that got me interested in wanting to try a short pin ball so I took this vapor zone to the pro shop and plugged and redrilled to a short pin ( 2 1/4 from pap ). The surface prep from factory was 500 compound. I'm the type of guy that likes to play up the boards and so I changed the surface to 500 slip agent and man what a difference, this ball went from a ball that I didn't like to a ball that is the first ball out of the bag. It is really sweet. I was using a iq tour and averaging 190's but after switching to the S.P. vapor zone I am now currently averaging 211. This ball gets through the heads clean and doesn't over react on the backend and with that slip agent finish it stores alot of energy and goes through the pins with real intention, you can really see the difference compared to all the other equipment I have, know I am wondering if short pin layouts on slightly different balls could make a even greater impact, I have the itch to experiment, do you guys think I just got lucky and found a ball and layout that worked or do you think this could be repeatable with other equipment, I am curious of your thoughts and want to know more about short pin balls. And to be totally honest I don't really understand all the dinamics of a short pin ball and am really wondering what would happen if I went even shorter of a pin like 1 1/2 to pap?
I like different layouts that will force me to move and make me more versatile when needed and be confident with the move
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I'm working on finding a specific layout. I do know 4 1/2 or greater works for me max hook pin distance rolls out on me.
All my balls have different layouts to optimize the ball shape that each ball is better suited for. I will change my speed, and release depending on the lane conditions, and choose a ball with the layout i think best suites the conditions or shot. I use both Asy, and sym balls in my 4 ball arsenal. I also throw 3 different weights of ball, again to maximize the shape of the ball. I will shop by numbers, RG, Diff, InterDiff. Sometimes lower weight balls have a more desired numbers depending on the ball motion I am looking for. Of course there is also the surface, I use that to fine tune the ball to conditions, and maintain the reaction i desire
I'm a big hybrid fan, and currently looking at two TNT Infused balls, one to play further left on the burn and the other play more inside with a dull surface on the fresh and maybe transition.
I am too. Most eveey ball in my bag is a hybrid. First one I ever bought was the Storm Hyroad and I immediately fell in love with it. Rolled with it til it pretty much died from all the games I bowled with it. Had it resurfaced a couple times and eventually it was never the same. Ended up eventually buying a Storm Frantic, used it for several years, actually still have it, still hooks nicely but I discovered the Roto Grip Hyper Cell Fused, which was pretty much just a stronger hybrid and it did better on heavier oil. Rolled it until it broke about 3 years ago, had it sitting in my office, was taking a break from bowling over the winter. Went to use it one day and it had a split down the middle.
After doing some research I decided to purchase a UFO Alert and it's been a beast of a ball. Very close to the Hyper Cell Fused, for me anyways, maybe a tad cleaner? It's starting to show it's age so I'm on the hunt for my next hybrid. Haven't decided which one I'm going to go with yet......originally was considering a Black Widow 2.0 hybrid, but I'm hearing it doesn't fare well on anything heavier than medium volume and my house shot is more medium heavy, leaning towards heavy. May look at this ball, just found out about it. Skid flippy though so I'm nit sure it would be a good match for me, maybe a good second ball out the bag?
I have 2 Eternity Pi, one pin up, one pin down. I wanted to try something different, and I like the pin down one.
As a new bowler I am still learning how to get my hand around the ball so I can get a true read on my PAP. Once I have that I can work out my best layout. Out the moment the Australian Storm rep has given me a couple of layouts that are working well.
Not sure what you mean by getting your hand around the ball. Hopefully you’re not talking about getting your hand around the ball to hook it. That can get you into some trouble later on.
Trying to increase my rev rate is what I mean. So my hand comes from below the equator
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I have a standard layout I use on most of my equipment, but I will use stronger Pin to PAP distances if I’m drilling something for a specific purpose, like heavier volume
I have 3 Layout that I Normaly Use. Pin up 5.25 I Use Pin Down Stacked under Ring Finger And Love Putting a Strong 3/3/8 Stacked on a Weak Bowling ball. Great for when there is oil on the Outside boards
It all depends on cores, covers, and the strength of the ball. A ball like a Proton I tend to have a 2.5 ish inch pin on it, but a shiny assym ball like the clone or Absolute I will have a 4-5 inch pin. And then balls like the Xponent, aka middle of bag balls I will have a 3-4 inch pin
its actually kinda funny how similar the balls are. They're almost on top of each other, very subtle differences. surface and coverstock are way more impactful than layout.
@JR Pro shop I’m looking for a good layout for a 2 hander that throws it around 15 mph with 500 rev rate I need a calm layout for a reality
I used to find a ball i liked and out different drillings. Now i will still get 2 of a ball i like but put same drilling and change surfaces
That new TNT looks pretty good. Quick question, what would be a good replacement for an IQ Ruby? Would a polished IQ Tour would do?
Nah. Ruby and Tour Solid are very different
If you could turn a solid into a pearl just by polishing it, they wouldn't bother making the pearls in the first place...
I have been putting the pin right in my ring finger hole lately. About 4 1/2" from pap.
I trust my pro-shop to know where the best spot is to drill the ball(s)
Was a pin down guy, but as I've gotten older, pin up I like better. 😂
What's a good new ball for someone that doesn't have a high rev rate? I was looking at the Roto Grip Magic Gem
I let the Pro Shop handle it.
Different. On my hybrid asyms I have a pin down layout, solid asyms short pins and all pearls symm or asyms pin up.
Where did you get your shirt?
How is the TNT Infused compared to the Zen Gold Label?
I use 3 layouts depending on the ball and what my expectations should be.
I only have one ball where it really matters so far and I have no idea what its pin to PAP distance is.
What’s his 4 game series ? Mine is 1135!!!!!!!
i have the same layouts for all my bowling balls and dont matter where i bowl on tour or in league i still average 230+.and im a Colombia 300 staffer for 20+ years.
What layout
The cover dictates overall ball motion and layouts fine tune it. The cover touches the lane so it has the most influence on ball reaction.
Different layouts unless it’s the same ball with a different coverstock
What do you do with the other ball with different layout you didnt like?
Except my Urethane asym & sym balls I've been having the pin 1" to 11/4" from the PAP. I trust my proshop guy to place where he thinks best along that arc. I've been told that the ball would not hook much drilled like that but it does. It just doesn't flare. League shots depending on the night will cover 15 to 20 boards, It does get to the edge, On sport shots like Kegal Eiffel tower I'm able to roll up 13 to 16 and have that finish hard into the pocket.