Yea for $2500 a pull I bet you very much value all your beta testers (MDR/MDRX owners) and very much believe they made a great choice purchasing one. As an MDRX owner to say I'm upset is a mild understatement. Of course I fully expect your entire executive team to ignore this comment and gloss over it with corporate minimization talk with some buzzwords. Do right. Only reason I plan on upgrading is to take advantage of shaving a pound off my rifle and better accuracy.
FWIW they did like my comment about the lifetime warranty naturally meaning when parts for the mdrx run our, the warranty would move to the nearest equivalent as a replacement. Hopefully that is a positive nod to what is reasonably expected by consumers with a lifetime warranty. It's not so crazy, really, IF the parts will run out in ten years, having an MDRX replaced my a now, Ten year old WLVRN line, is not the same as expecting to turn in your mdrx for having a scratch and expecting to get a new WLVRN now in '24. By then the WLVRN will probably be the old model being phased out.
@@88kar88 I hope so. They really just need to soend more time in development until the rifle is where it needs to be like they should have a decade ago.
I am local in Utah and i know people who can manufacture parts going forward. If you were to open source or even local source the prints and plans it might be a cool option for the future of the MDR platform.
Every other lifetime warranty is basically the life of the product not as long as you feel like producing/supporting it and if it needs service that can't be done it's replaced with an equivalent which in this case would be the wlvrn. This is a bad look and really inexcusable. 10 years is cool and all but a gun can last much longer and refusing support after this while claiming lifetime warranty is just scummy. The competition is often cheaper and provides better support based off this alone. If this wasn't meant to be as stated it's very poorly phrased if the intention is to honor the warranty like is standard anywhere else.
Given the advertised lifetime warranty for the MDRX, naturally the lifetime warranty should mean that a after running out of MDRX parts, a defective MDRX should be replaced by the nearest equivalent WLVRN. Be good to the customers.
@88kar88 It would be the right thing to do, DT is not cheap to not have a warranty or replacement parts. Once I seen the video, I thought about selling mine and getting another daniel defense.
I agree with some of the comments I'm seeing concerning the "lifetime" warranty. Several of the optics I own are no longer being manufactured but the lifetime warranty still means lifetime. They don't just redefine the term. It would be better to not say "lifetime" as "life of product" is not the same thing. It is kind of a hard pill to swallow buying something more expensive than a Daniel Defense that simply "may" be supported in 10 years, but maybe not.
That is exactly what a lifetime warranty is for literally every product with a lifetime warranty. If they stop making the product and parts for it how in the world are they going to do warranty work. All companies work like this.
@@Iceh4wkvideos Wrong. Lifetime warranties are for the expected lifetime of the product. You're either totally ignorant, a damn liar, or a shill for DT who is now trying to cover their ass. Me: Attorney 19 years.
The biggest complaint you most likely get is the lack of forward-eject support in the newer itteration of the MDR style platform. I have been following the progress and refining your products for a good many of years, I can assure you that when many of reviews pick apart the not up to snuff parts or oversight, the one thing they always love and praise is the forward eject system unique to that platform. I understand it made clearing malfynction more time consuming, however this company has seen how military trials chew up and spit out any companies whom dare propose a bullpup design. For the most part your company has been involved in the sale of firearms to the civilian market. It could be unwise to deny the people of what they love about your product, truely the forward eject was one of the very few things making the MDR platform stand out from the crowd on the surface. (Only other forward eject rifle I can think of is the FN F2000)
Well said! I agree completely. I think DT is dreaming of the big military contract score that is never going to come. Even if their product was the best, the military would never choose them because even as a small company they can't get their $#!+ together.
Will take that mdrx accuracy upgrade. I love my rifle even if she's a bit hefty, and the mag release is a bit stiff (still) I'll keep her. But wouldnt mind some performance improvements if you guys offer them. And another vote for green guns. ODG > FDE. And WYVERN would have been a good name if Wolverine was trademarked. I keep reading it that way anyway.
It sucks that since you discontinued the MDRX you will not continue developing the Micron conversion for it to make it fwd eject compatible. I was waiting to buy one hoping that you would make it compatible. Guess I have to bite the bullet and get the conversion and side eject kit 🤦♂️
The new MDRx accuracy update kit looks and sounds great. Could there be an option to install the oprod and piston ourselves at home with work instructions and if we want the jb weld work done send back? I am a little disappointed that a Rifle length gas system for 20" barrel full power cartriges is not being worked now that the gas block can slide under the handguard and move forward. Moving it forward should improve performance of those cartriges delaying the oprod force until after the bullet leaves the barrel.
Did I hear this correctly? Desert Tech has redefined "lifetime" to mean however long it feels like producing a rifle and they won't warranty a product after that? ETA: Yup at 2:45
Sounds like that's what they said to me. Hard to believe. Make your purchasing decisions wisely, folks. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
Yup, that's what that sounds like. Pretty amazing that the one group that has gotten the most screwed is the MDR/MDRX owners, and now they're going to continue absolutely bending them over. Sounds to me like Desert Tech has ZERO confidence in the longevity of their products.
When I bought my MDRXCOM in .308. I also bought the .223 barrel kit. And topped it off with a nice Vortex scope. One of my goals is to buy one of the SRS models. But is Desert Tech at least experimenting with a straight pull bullpup? That could be more enticing to some people that are doubtful of the SRS ergonomics.
I have experienced nothing but top notch customer service from Desert Tech and I’m not worried one single bit about them putting a 10 year timer on my MDRX. I’ll just sell the thing
ON INOVATION VS. RIFLE LIFETIMES I'm with Nik on this one. The motto is "Tomorrow's Weapons". You can't always make the changes you'd like to improve a rifle, and still have it backwards compatible. Stay on course. Keep innovating and improving your products. That said however there is a balance to be maintained. 10 years is a VERY short "life" for a rifle. Rifles are often handed down through generations. Even innovative rifles like the MDRX should be capable of being used AND RAPAIRED indefinitely. Once you get to the end of a 10 year cycle you should release a packet of drawings, manufacturing procedures, tolerances, and material specs. that will allow a competent gunsmith to repair your products generations hence. All parts wear. All parts eventually have to be replaced with newly manufactured parts. You really should either make packets of the information available for sale, OR commit to maintaining a library of all the information required to re-manufacture all parts on your products for generations to come. The MDR line is going to have it's place in the history of firearms. There will come a time when the forward ejecting multi-caliber bullpup that really did alter the bullpup market will be a rifle that may overtime be somewhat obsolete, but still a valuable addition to a serious collector's collection. DON'T sell your innovative products short. Don't sell the name Desert Tech short. It's a young company now, but in time Desert Tech will be a firearms manufacturer with a long and storied past someday. You can't know where you're going without remembering where you've been.
My buddy offered to sell me his MDRX, but seeing how it doesn't have a true lifetime warranty, I guess I won't be getting it or any future MDR products. Really wanted a left hand SRS-A1 (as there are no LH A2s or M2s), but the last thing I want to be told is "we no longer support that model".
You guys may have answered this, but is there any plan for a forward-eject conversion kit or or at least an option for a forward-ejecting WLVRN? Also, is there any chance of an automatic, lever-action, or dual-system version of the SRS or HTI series rifles? What about left-hand accommodation for the SRS rifles; or are left-handed people too broke for that gun?
Well, since the MDR came out, they have managed to produce only four calibers. And I know of only one small company (ES Tactical) that produces barrels. I've talked to several popular barrel companies and they say they absolutely will not produce barrels for DT. So I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
I get the frustration at a surface level, that said, this is a supremely forward facing company that is as transparent as any company I have ever seen. They face criticism, admit fault and do what they can to make it right or better than before. Companies discontinue items all the time and offer nothing in return… DT is offering to support their previous line of products for another ten years. Is this YOUR lifetime, hopefully not, but they are going out of their way, especially as an objectively smaller company compared to other firearms manufacturers, to do right by their base while still being able to be a progressive and innovative in the space.
can you provide some details on how the wolverine handguards will be improved over the MDRx stock and Reflex handguards for maintaining zero for lasers? also relative pricing?
Your own lifetime warranty describes it as life of the rifle. So what you are telling all of us it is only 10 years from now and that is only because you designed a replacement. So you essentially worked in your description legal goal posts you can move at your discretion. What if I had an MDRx that was never fired for twelve years and at twelve years something broke. I would just be SOL? You need to change your definition to a limited 10 year warranty on your products or support the people that supported you by not deceiving them. We are not the military with unlimited taxpayer funds. We are the common man. The common man would agree that you should not be allowed to so arbitrarily decide what lifetime warranty means according to your convenience. A trade in and trade up is a totally appropriate substitute option for the lifetime warranty after 10 years. You are providing no options for customers after 10 years that genuinely love the platform.
How companies that have been around for decades do lifetime warranty is they repair the product or replace it with a similar current production line. DT should offer to repair the MDR or to replace to the wolvn. After this though i don't think i would trust them if they did say they would honor the warranty in 10years time.
Hej DT, awesome work with your MDR/MDRX/WLVRN 🎉! Last year i bought an new MDRX, And now i want the WLVRN 😅. So my question, as forma german soldier, weapons has to be robust and realible. We drove with an weeltank over an G36😮 ups, and it still funktioned! But the carbonfiber/ plastic has an aging prozess! The new gun from HK, the HK 433 or 437(300blk version) has milled aluminium part exept the pistol grip and the falting buttstock. It makes a gun, you can still use in decades or in 100 years and it is massiv! The HK G28 has a lot of too! The DT WLVRN dont have a real seperatet Buttstock. So in my opinion you could build an millitary standart massiv Sabertooth/WLVRN with a combination of milled Aluminium Parts, substitute Steel and Aluminium Parts with titanium and Magnesium/Lithium allous and so the gun should be unbeatable on the market. A great option with fair price, and the gold option for examble for Delta Force and rich DT/Bullpub fans❤😊
Uhhggg... I love firearm innovation as well. That's why I went to Bullpups and Desert Tech. I guess, AR15's are the only forever confidence inspiring choice. We shall see how this all works out. I still love Desert Tech.
It really more has to do with the fact that ARs are open source and achieved criticalmass way back in the day and through the military. Until that happens with another gun, they're gonna be the only thing that you can maintain till the day you die.
Great not only is my lifetime warranty no good for my mdrx but also my srsa1. I think I'm gonna ditch desert tech and spend money with a company that stands behind there products.
This is unbelievably disappointing. I was excited about the new WLVRN rifles until I watched this video. When a decent company makes a claim such as “lifetime warranty,“ it should be committed to producing the parts for the product for the life of the COMPANY, not the product. The “lifetime warranty“ is a major consideration when purchasing such an expensive rifle. It gives peace of mind that, if the expensive rifle breaks down, that the company will stand behind it and will repair it at their own expense. The only people who are not frustrated by this are people who either work for Desert Tech, or do not own any of these products. I own multiple. I was deceived by DT’s dishonest trade practices.
If they dont make parts for the MDRX then naturally the lifetime warranty should mean that a defective MDRX should be replaced by the nearest equivalent WLVRN
@@anoperatingpanda Cars are not sold with lifetime warranties. At least not in the USA. They set the expectation at the point of sale, usually a 3 or 4 year or set mileage.
@@Iceh4wkvideos Plenty of companies do EXACTLY that. They replace with the nearest equivalent when the original model is unavailable. I have a vortex UH1 stop working and get replaced with the gen 2. PSA does this. They offer replacement or refunds. So kindly back off.
@@drsllcinnovations5020 If they dont make parts for the MDRX then naturally the lifetime warranty should mean that a defective MDRX should be replaced by the nearest equivalent WLVRN
@@drsllcinnovations5020 And All I'm saying is when it gets to that point, they should just provide the customer with the nearest equivalent. It is good customer care.
I would like to send both of my mdrx's in for all available upgrades, especially since DT is attempting to redefine what the term "lifetime" means. I am pretty disappointed at this point and am considering canceling my wlvrn order.
The warranty is concerning. Between 2 MDRxs over the past few years, ive had several parts fail and need to be replaced (bolt, firing pins, safety switches/safety detents, trigger group, trigger group retaining clip) and have heard many other parts failing from different users. With your work-in-progress gen 2 mdrs being unsupported in way of the gen 3 wlvrn, which will likely suffer the same fate, you'll be loosing a lot of customers to other platforms.
Current MDRX owner & fan, and yes *definitely I am interested in the idea of DT modifying the MDRX assembly (op rod & barrel mounting). I’d just want to know that a JB Weld solution would be reliable & effective for a reasonable length of rifle lifetime/round count* Edit: I wanted to add that I truly appreciate DT being a forward-facing company by going out of your way to address questions & provide information up front rather than being opaque. Y’all didn’t have to do this stream nor address owner questions, but you chose to give us your time. Appreciated. Last thought: I can only think of one truly good argument for offering current MDRX owners some kind of *discount* on a WLVRN purchase (not a trade in, a discount): The cost of the MDRX didn’t match its performance as sold until maybe the final year of the production; we can’t go backward in time, but offering a reasonable discount to legacy MDRX owners who can prove current ownership would silence and satisfy probably every reasonable owner out there. 10%? Seems reasonable.
@@tek1287 lol I’m not really sure what DT is supposed to do about where people choose to live or what their state gov does…that doesn’t seem like DT’s problem…
You guys have a communication and image problem. I don't think you realize that you're doing it. You might want to consider hiring or consulting with an expert in that kind of thing. You walked right into controversy with your phrasing here when what you are delivering is actually pretty reasonable. I get similar vibes from the breakdowns of the work you've done to compete for military contracts. It sounds very much like the "engineer got the microphone" so-to-speak, and you probably don't realize how some of the things you say sound. That stuff matters. Networking community, marketing, image, and soft skills in general matter an enormous amount. Maybe that stuff is not your favorite thing and you prefer to just think about making the technology better (and I can definitely relate), but I think this is holding you back.
As of today I have out about 200 rounds through my MDRX, it’s a July 2023 model (per the QC sign off) 300blackout. I have yet to make it through a 30 round mag without a stoppage. My concern is sending my rifle in multiple times just to have it break again in a year or two and then be screwed in terms of a warranty. I think if you guys are going to eventually stop supporting the MDRX warranty then allowing 3rd parties to pick up the slack in those parts that could break would be good. And if it’s ever logistically possible, having that upgrade option for MDRX owners would absolutely be faith restoring. All I’m saying is never say never. All that said, I do love my MDRX and it would be my favorite rifle hands down if I could get through a whole mag.
Try running it with the ejection chute off for a couple hundred rounds. It could just need to be broken in. I know an expensive gun like this shouldn't need a break in period, but they have one, even if DT says they don't.
@@DesertTechUT will do, I will also include new findings as of todays range trip. I’m getting what appears to be brass shavings in the firing pin that is causing light primer strikes, across several types of ammo. Thanks for the comment, still love the products.
@@NicholasYoungDT bought the mdrx last year and nearly all the conversion kit, wouldn't have if i knew support would've ended in 2034 and not life time like originally thought
I didnt get to catch the Q&A due to work. Are you going to do better on marketing and announcing new products? I bought my MDRX last year and if I was told a new model was coming I would have held off.
A lot of people are going to be upset that most of their car parts that are "lifetime warranty" include a section stating that if the line is removed from production they do not have to honor it. Thats all they are doing here. Sucks but its part of being a company that manufactures parts that are evolving.
That’s what DT is doing, but do they have to? Vortex doesn’t do this to their customers. After the debacle of the MDR, this is how they reward people who gave them a chance? lol
@@boxywest2963 you don't understand how manufacturing works. Vortex still makes all their optics, and optics are a much smaller hassle compared to building a full rifle. Just admit you're following the hate train and are choosing to hate them because it's the popular thing to do right now.
@@anoperatingpanda I’m following the people who’ve been DT’s beta testers for every version of the MDR so far. They’ve been absolutely screwed. DT should make this right with people who sadly believed in their product. Maybe you’re a fanboy or a DT employee?
@@boxywest2963 I got turned down from a job application to them because I was looking for a higher salary and I don't own one. Don't plan on getting one either. Rather spend my money on an XCR
Will you guys be making a .308/7.62x51 version of the QMAG?
The whole point I got an MDRX was for the FE. And now they won’t be going forward with it… what happened to “tomorrow’s weapons”?
Yea for $2500 a pull I bet you very much value all your beta testers (MDR/MDRX owners) and very much believe they made a great choice purchasing one. As an MDRX owner to say I'm upset is a mild understatement. Of course I fully expect your entire executive team to ignore this comment and gloss over it with corporate minimization talk with some buzzwords. Do right. Only reason I plan on upgrading is to take advantage of shaving a pound off my rifle and better accuracy.
FWIW they did like my comment about the lifetime warranty naturally meaning when parts for the mdrx run our, the warranty would move to the nearest equivalent as a replacement. Hopefully that is a positive nod to what is reasonably expected by consumers with a lifetime warranty.
It's not so crazy, really, IF the parts will run out in ten years, having an MDRX replaced my a now, Ten year old WLVRN line, is not the same as expecting to turn in your mdrx for having a scratch and expecting to get a new WLVRN now in '24. By then the WLVRN will probably be the old model being phased out.
@@88kar88 I hope so. They really just need to soend more time in development until the rifle is where it needs to be like they should have a decade ago.
I am local in Utah and i know people who can manufacture parts going forward. If you were to open source or even local source the prints and plans it might be a cool option for the future of the MDR platform.
I would definitely be interested in the accuracy modification/upgrade for the MDRX!
As an owner 308 I am very much interested into an accuracy upgrade.
Every other lifetime warranty is basically the life of the product not as long as you feel like producing/supporting it and if it needs service that can't be done it's replaced with an equivalent which in this case would be the wlvrn. This is a bad look and really inexcusable. 10 years is cool and all but a gun can last much longer and refusing support after this while claiming lifetime warranty is just scummy.
The competition is often cheaper and provides better support based off this alone. If this wasn't meant to be as stated it's very poorly phrased if the intention is to honor the warranty like is standard anywhere else.
Given the advertised lifetime warranty for the MDRX, naturally the lifetime warranty should mean that a after running out of MDRX parts, a defective MDRX should be replaced by the nearest equivalent WLVRN. Be good to the customers.
This is the way.
I agree 👍🏾
Hopefully DT's youtube liking my comment means we can expect some further clarification confirming this is DT's policy.
@88kar88 It would be the right thing to do, DT is not cheap to not have a warranty or replacement parts. Once I seen the video, I thought about selling mine and getting another daniel defense.
Any improvement to the handguard flex and zero hold?
New Sabertooth hand guard option fixes this.
Will the WLVRN be CA compliant?
There is a WLVRN that is CA compliant yes.
@@DesertTechUT Nice! That’s most likely what I’ll aim to have then as long as it is in 5.56 AND .308. Thank you.
I agree with some of the comments I'm seeing concerning the "lifetime" warranty. Several of the optics I own are no longer being manufactured but the lifetime warranty still means lifetime. They don't just redefine the term. It would be better to not say "lifetime" as "life of product" is not the same thing. It is kind of a hard pill to swallow buying something more expensive than a Daniel Defense that simply "may" be supported in 10 years, but maybe not.
Sign me up for the accuracy improvement on my mdrx!!!!
That don't sound like a lifetime warranty.
Except it is
That is exactly what a lifetime warranty is for literally every product with a lifetime warranty. If they stop making the product and parts for it how in the world are they going to do warranty work. All companies work like this.
@@Iceh4wkvideosVortex doesn’t.
@@Iceh4wkvideos leupold doesnt
@@Iceh4wkvideos Wrong. Lifetime warranties are for the expected lifetime of the product. You're either totally ignorant, a damn liar, or a shill for DT who is now trying to cover their ass. Me: Attorney 19 years.
I realy like to have the future upgrade to improve accuracy
MDRX OWNER HERE
DEFFINITELY INTERESTED IN THE ACCURACY UPGRADE FOR THE MDRX!
WOULD EVENTUALLY LIKE TO COLLECT ALL OF THE BARREL CONVERSIONS.
The biggest complaint you most likely get is the lack of forward-eject support in the newer itteration of the MDR style platform. I have been following the progress and refining your products for a good many of years, I can assure you that when many of reviews pick apart the not up to snuff parts or oversight, the one thing they always love and praise is the forward eject system unique to that platform. I understand it made clearing malfynction more time consuming, however this company has seen how military trials chew up and spit out any companies whom dare propose a bullpup design. For the most part your company has been involved in the sale of firearms to the civilian market. It could be unwise to deny the people of what they love about your product, truely the forward eject was one of the very few things making the MDR platform stand out from the crowd on the surface. (Only other forward eject rifle I can think of is the FN F2000)
Well said! I agree completely. I think DT is dreaming of the big military contract score that is never going to come. Even if their product was the best, the military would never choose them because even as a small company they can't get their $#!+ together.
Will take that mdrx accuracy upgrade.
I love my rifle even if she's a bit hefty, and the mag release is a bit stiff (still) I'll keep her. But wouldnt mind some performance improvements if you guys offer them.
And another vote for green guns. ODG > FDE.
And WYVERN would have been a good name if Wolverine was trademarked. I keep reading it that way anyway.
What's the expected lifetime of the WLVN?
It sucks that since you discontinued the MDRX you will not continue developing the Micron conversion for it to make it fwd eject compatible. I was waiting to buy one hoping that you would make it compatible. Guess I have to bite the bullet and get the conversion and side eject kit 🤦♂️
The new MDRx accuracy update kit looks and sounds great. Could there be an option to install the oprod and piston ourselves at home with work instructions and if we want the jb weld work done send back?
I am a little disappointed that a Rifle length gas system for 20" barrel full power cartriges is not being worked now that the gas block can slide under the handguard and move forward. Moving it forward should improve performance of those cartriges delaying the oprod force until after the bullet leaves the barrel.
Did I hear this correctly? Desert Tech has redefined "lifetime" to mean however long it feels like producing a rifle and they won't warranty a product after that? ETA: Yup at 2:45
That can't be true. That's definitely not what lifetime means.
Sounds like that's what they said to me. Hard to believe. Make your purchasing decisions wisely, folks. When someone tells you who they are, believe them.
@@lytening79 Listen to what they say at 2:45
Yup, that's what that sounds like. Pretty amazing that the one group that has gotten the most screwed is the MDR/MDRX owners, and now they're going to continue absolutely bending them over. Sounds to me like Desert Tech has ZERO confidence in the longevity of their products.
X2 Dev Group has a Futureproof program, you know they'll send you the parts once their patents get approve.
When I bought my MDRXCOM in .308. I also bought the .223 barrel kit. And topped it off with a nice Vortex scope.
One of my goals is to buy one of the SRS models. But is Desert Tech at least experimenting with a straight pull bullpup? That could be more enticing to some people that are doubtful of the SRS ergonomics.
I have experienced nothing but top notch customer service from Desert Tech and I’m not worried one single bit about them putting a 10 year timer on my MDRX. I’ll just sell the thing
ON INOVATION VS. RIFLE LIFETIMES
I'm with Nik on this one. The motto is "Tomorrow's Weapons". You can't always make the changes you'd like to improve a rifle, and still have it backwards compatible. Stay on course. Keep innovating and improving your products.
That said however there is a balance to be maintained. 10 years is a VERY short "life" for a rifle. Rifles are often handed down through generations. Even innovative rifles like the MDRX should be capable of being used AND RAPAIRED indefinitely. Once you get to the end of a 10 year cycle you should release a packet of drawings, manufacturing procedures, tolerances, and material specs. that will allow a competent gunsmith to repair your products generations hence. All parts wear. All parts eventually have to be replaced with newly manufactured parts. You really should either make packets of the information available for sale, OR commit to maintaining a library of all the information required to re-manufacture all parts on your products for generations to come.
The MDR line is going to have it's place in the history of firearms. There will come a time when the forward ejecting multi-caliber bullpup that really did alter the bullpup market will be a rifle that may overtime be somewhat obsolete, but still a valuable addition to a serious collector's collection.
DON'T sell your innovative products short. Don't sell the name Desert Tech short. It's a young company now, but in time Desert Tech will be a firearms manufacturer with a long and storied past someday.
You can't know where you're going without remembering where you've been.
Thanks for the feedback.
My buddy offered to sell me his MDRX, but seeing how it doesn't have a true lifetime warranty, I guess I won't be getting it or any future MDR products. Really wanted a left hand SRS-A1 (as there are no LH A2s or M2s), but the last thing I want to be told is "we no longer support that model".
Not feeling good after this. If I just purchase a mdrx, I would be so mad and irritated. Especially for a price of these firearms.
I am definitely interested in the MDRX piston system accuracy upgrade.
You guys may have answered this, but is there any plan for a forward-eject conversion kit or or at least an option for a forward-ejecting WLVRN?
Also, is there any chance of an automatic, lever-action, or dual-system version of the SRS or HTI series rifles? What about left-hand accommodation for the SRS rifles; or are left-handed people too broke for that gun?
No plan for forward eject Wlvrn.
what are the chances of a 6.8 blackout WLVRN conversion kit?
That answered this in the comments of the wlvrn video in MAC channel
What are the chances of more than a handful of customers being able to afford it?
Well, since the MDR came out, they have managed to produce only four calibers. And I know of only one small company (ES Tactical) that produces barrels. I've talked to several popular barrel companies and they say they absolutely will not produce barrels for DT. So I wouldn't hold my breath on that.
@@EdBowl thanks
yes please on the Mdrx accuracy upgrades, definitely want mine to shoot better 😁
Are there any QD muzzle devices that fit through the short version of Mantis handguard? Does the Spooky1 from specter’s cat fit through?
For anyone interested, the Spooky1’s 1” OD will not fit through the short Mantis hand guard.
What about magpul PDR?
I get the frustration at a surface level, that said, this is a supremely forward facing company that is as transparent as any company I have ever seen. They face criticism, admit fault and do what they can to make it right or better than before. Companies discontinue items all the time and offer nothing in return… DT is offering to support their previous line of products for another ten years. Is this YOUR lifetime, hopefully not, but they are going out of their way, especially as an objectively smaller company compared to other firearms manufacturers, to do right by their base while still being able to be a progressive and innovative in the space.
8.6 blk micron is my hope, I will probably hold off on the Micron until then unless you guys don't have plans for it at all
CAN WE PLEASE GET A 6 ARC WLVRN CONVERSION!
Wait til the deserttech grizzly comes out. It will have the new lifetime warranty.
You mean the GRZLY.
@@davydwalker8554GRZL. Y is a vowel sometimes.
can you provide some details on how the wolverine handguards will be improved over the MDRx stock and Reflex handguards for maintaining zero for lasers? also relative pricing?
Yes for the gas block and barrel block upgrades
Your own lifetime warranty describes it as life of the rifle. So what you are telling all of us it is only 10 years from now and that is only because you designed a replacement.
So you essentially worked in your description legal goal posts you can move at your discretion.
What if I had an MDRx that was never fired for twelve years and at twelve years something broke. I would just be SOL?
You need to change your definition to a limited 10 year warranty on your products or support the people that supported you by not deceiving them. We are not the military with unlimited taxpayer funds. We are the common man. The common man would agree that you should not be allowed to so arbitrarily decide what lifetime warranty means according to your convenience.
A trade in and trade up is a totally appropriate substitute option for the lifetime warranty after 10 years. You are providing no options for customers after 10 years that genuinely love the platform.
Yes, to upgrading my mdrx accuracy!
How companies that have been around for decades do lifetime warranty is they repair the product or replace it with a similar current production line. DT should offer to repair the MDR or to replace to the wolvn. After this though i don't think i would trust them if they did say they would honor the warranty in 10years time.
EXACTLY
Hej DT, awesome work with your MDR/MDRX/WLVRN 🎉!
Last year i bought an new MDRX,
And now i want the WLVRN 😅.
So my question, as forma german soldier, weapons has to be robust and realible.
We drove with an weeltank over an G36😮 ups, and it still funktioned!
But the carbonfiber/ plastic has an aging prozess!
The new gun from HK, the HK 433 or 437(300blk version) has milled aluminium part exept the pistol grip and the falting buttstock.
It makes a gun, you can still use in decades or in 100 years and it is massiv!
The HK G28 has a lot of too!
The DT WLVRN dont have a real seperatet Buttstock.
So in my opinion you could build an millitary standart massiv Sabertooth/WLVRN with a combination of milled Aluminium Parts, substitute Steel and Aluminium Parts with titanium and Magnesium/Lithium allous and so the gun should be unbeatable on the market.
A great option with fair price, and the gold option for examble for Delta Force and rich DT/Bullpub fans❤😊
ruclips.net/user/live2JsSDZ3f2c8?si=wwzEvRc_xdMHrwat&t=1246 @20:46
I own an MDRX with a FE 308 barrel and a SE 5.56 barrel. I would be very interested in the gas block upgrade for both barrels and the receiver.
I have two SRS1 chassis’ with three calibers. Are there mags, spare parts or any support for these expensive firearms or is my investment a sunk cost?
SRS A1 is still covered under warranty. SRS GEN 1 is not but can still be serviced if needed depending on parts availability
In other words, "once we run out (which could be today or tomorrow) you $crewed bud"
Yes to the gas block upgrade
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Uhhggg... I love firearm innovation as well. That's why I went to Bullpups and Desert Tech. I guess, AR15's are the only forever confidence inspiring choice. We shall see how this all works out. I still love Desert Tech.
It really more has to do with the fact that ARs are open source and achieved criticalmass way back in the day and through the military. Until that happens with another gun, they're gonna be the only thing that you can maintain till the day you die.
Great not only is my lifetime warranty no good for my mdrx but also my srsa1. I think I'm gonna ditch desert tech and spend money with a company that stands behind there products.
SRS A1 is covered under lifetime warranty. SRS Gen 1 is not covered.
@@DesertTechUTit’s covered until you “feel like” it’s not covered anymore. Get ready for the lawsuits
This is unbelievably disappointing. I was excited about the new WLVRN rifles until I watched this video.
When a decent company makes a claim such as “lifetime warranty,“ it should be committed to producing the parts for the product for the life of the COMPANY, not the product. The “lifetime warranty“ is a major consideration when purchasing such an expensive rifle. It gives peace of mind that, if the expensive rifle breaks down, that the company will stand behind it and will repair it at their own expense.
The only people who are not frustrated by this are people who either work for Desert Tech, or do not own any of these products.
I own multiple. I was deceived by DT’s dishonest trade practices.
If they dont make parts for the MDRX then naturally the lifetime warranty should mean that a defective MDRX should be replaced by the nearest equivalent WLVRN
You must hate every automotive car manufacturer in the world then as well by this logic
No company with a lifetime warranty works this way... holy shit you guys are delusional and entitled...
@@anoperatingpanda Cars are not sold with lifetime warranties. At least not in the USA. They set the expectation at the point of sale, usually a 3 or 4 year or set mileage.
@@Iceh4wkvideos Plenty of companies do EXACTLY that. They replace with the nearest equivalent when the original model is unavailable. I have a vortex UH1 stop working and get replaced with the gen 2. PSA does this. They offer replacement or refunds. So kindly back off.
I hope we can still get our previously purchased firearms repaired.
That's what they're saying won't happen . . . when they run out of parts, you're SOL.
@@drsllcinnovations5020 If they dont make parts for the MDRX then naturally the lifetime warranty should mean that a defective MDRX should be replaced by the nearest equivalent WLVRN
@@drsllcinnovations5020that isn’t even remotely what is said. Stop being so obtuse.
@@drsllcinnovations5020 And All I'm saying is when it gets to that point, they should just provide the customer with the nearest equivalent. It is good customer care.
@@88kar88 I agree, but they just said that they won't. 😕
When is the 6.5 wlvrn shipping?
I would like to send both of my mdrx's in for all available upgrades, especially since DT is attempting to redefine what the term "lifetime" means. I am pretty disappointed at this point and am considering canceling my wlvrn order.
You probably should
Honestly, I cant blame you. How long before the WLVRN is dropped for the SUPR XR or whatever comes next?
Cancel before you’re another screwed over beta tester.
The warranty is concerning. Between 2 MDRxs over the past few years, ive had several parts fail and need to be replaced (bolt, firing pins, safety switches/safety detents, trigger group, trigger group retaining clip) and have heard many other parts failing from different users.
With your work-in-progress gen 2 mdrs being unsupported in way of the gen 3 wlvrn, which will likely suffer the same fate, you'll be loosing a lot of customers to other platforms.
Current MDRX owner & fan, and yes *definitely I am interested in the idea of DT modifying the MDRX assembly (op rod & barrel mounting). I’d just want to know that a JB Weld solution would be reliable & effective for a reasonable length of rifle lifetime/round count*
Edit: I wanted to add that I truly appreciate DT being a forward-facing company by going out of your way to address questions & provide information up front rather than being opaque. Y’all didn’t have to do this stream nor address owner questions, but you chose to give us your time. Appreciated.
Last thought: I can only think of one truly good argument for offering current MDRX owners some kind of *discount* on a WLVRN purchase (not a trade in, a discount):
The cost of the MDRX didn’t match its performance as sold until maybe the final year of the production; we can’t go backward in time, but offering a reasonable discount to legacy MDRX owners who can prove current ownership would silence and satisfy probably every reasonable owner out there. 10%? Seems reasonable.
The reasonable discount sounds like a great idea.
Ya one problem. What happens if you live in a state that just recently banned the sale of so called “Assault weapons”?
@@tek1287 lol I’m not really sure what DT is supposed to do about where people choose to live or what their state gov does…that doesn’t seem like DT’s problem…
@@tek1287 move.
22Mag conversion?
Will you make a Wolverine in .22lr?
Or at least a .22lr conversion kit like CMMG.
@@EdBowl Yes! I think alot of people would buy one of those for the Wolverine.
You guys have a communication and image problem. I don't think you realize that you're doing it. You might want to consider hiring or consulting with an expert in that kind of thing. You walked right into controversy with your phrasing here when what you are delivering is actually pretty reasonable.
I get similar vibes from the breakdowns of the work you've done to compete for military contracts. It sounds very much like the "engineer got the microphone" so-to-speak, and you probably don't realize how some of the things you say sound. That stuff matters. Networking community, marketing, image, and soft skills in general matter an enormous amount.
Maybe that stuff is not your favorite thing and you prefer to just think about making the technology better (and I can definitely relate), but I think this is holding you back.
Examples of what you mean would be appreciated. 👍🏻
As of today I have out about 200 rounds through my MDRX, it’s a July 2023 model (per the QC sign off) 300blackout. I have yet to make it through a 30 round mag without a stoppage. My concern is sending my rifle in multiple times just to have it break again in a year or two and then be screwed in terms of a warranty. I think if you guys are going to eventually stop supporting the MDRX warranty then allowing 3rd parties to pick up the slack in those parts that could break would be good. And if it’s ever logistically possible, having that upgrade option for MDRX owners would absolutely be faith restoring. All I’m saying is never say never. All that said, I do love my MDRX and it would be my favorite rifle hands down if I could get through a whole mag.
Dang..Dt say why it's not working? Mine is fine
Try running it with the ejection chute off for a couple hundred rounds. It could just need to be broken in. I know an expensive gun like this shouldn't need a break in period, but they have one, even if DT says they don't.
Please send it in for warranty and we will resolve the issue.
@@DesertTechUT will do, I will also include new findings as of todays range trip. I’m getting what appears to be brass shavings in the firing pin that is causing light primer strikes, across several types of ammo. Thanks for the comment, still love the products.
Lube the ejection chute lightly
lifetime = 10 years lol
10 years after the products production life has ended.
@@NicholasYoungDT bought the mdrx last year and nearly all the conversion kit, wouldn't have if i knew support would've ended in 2034 and not life time like originally thought
10in 300BO and 86BO kits please!!!
Never going to happen my friend. I've been on them for years about it. Company just can't get out of it's own way.
Shame they got rid of the forward eject. Your product is no longer unique. May as well buy an IWI now.
I didnt get to catch the Q&A due to work. Are you going to do better on marketing and announcing new products? I bought my MDRX last year and if I was told a new model was coming I would have held off.
What a bunch of absolute frauds. This is disgusting.
Bye bye DT
I think 10 years of warranty from this date is reasonable.
Id love to send in my MDR for service if you can get 25% better accuracy out of her.
It's not reasonable because 10 years is not a "lifetime" by any yardstick.
That was not the product advertised and sold to the customers. They sold it as a lifetime warranty, not ten years.
@@ascinderyou don’t live in the real world. This was and always has been the terms of any lifetime warranty.
Lifetime= 10 years…
Well I’m not going to buy any barrels as I had planned…
A lot of people are going to be upset that most of their car parts that are "lifetime warranty" include a section stating that if the line is removed from production they do not have to honor it. Thats all they are doing here. Sucks but its part of being a company that manufactures parts that are evolving.
That’s what DT is doing, but do they have to? Vortex doesn’t do this to their customers.
After the debacle of the MDR, this is how they reward people who gave them a chance? lol
@@boxywest2963 you don't understand how manufacturing works. Vortex still makes all their optics, and optics are a much smaller hassle compared to building a full rifle. Just admit you're following the hate train and are choosing to hate them because it's the popular thing to do right now.
@@anoperatingpanda I’m following the people who’ve been DT’s beta testers for every version of the MDR so far. They’ve been absolutely screwed. DT should make this right with people who sadly believed in their product.
Maybe you’re a fanboy or a DT employee?
@@boxywest2963 I got turned down from a job application to them because I was looking for a higher salary and I don't own one. Don't plan on getting one either. Rather spend my money on an XCR