Another way to think of extenders is paint conditioner. It makes the paint wetter. I put a capful of MY in a cut pot, then add about a quart of paint. Then if needed, add more M1, if needed. Also note, there are 2 types of M1. The green label, as in this video, is for latex paint. The red label is for oil based. Make sure to use the right one.
Sounds very similar to sodium silicate that I add to clay for slipcasting. A tiny amount changes the structure of thick clay slip, and turns it to a thinner consistency without using water. I'm going to try it out in paint. It should make thick paint easier to use with a spray gun. We will see...
Hi Spencer, I had a really, really bad wall that I manicured for a week. I'm using Benjamin Moore Aura paint to put the meat back on the wall. It is Acrylic. I ran out of Flood by Flotrol which was working fine. The Zinsser Latex Extender keeps separating from the paint like oil and water. Do I just keep remixing? It'a yuky day out there to go back to the paint store. Big thanks!
Great advice, I'm not a painter but I'm interested in the paint conditioner . Is there different types of conditioners for matt satin and gloss paints.
Absolutely. Floetrol is excellent. I’m using it today. When painting in the sun, I would definitely use the paint extender and also, I would spritz the top layer of the paint in the tray to protect it from evaporating; you spritz it with water from a spray bottle not to add water to the paint but just so the water on the top of the paint will evaporate rather than your paint
Spencer, does extender change the sheen? If I’m painting a foyer wall to reduce lap marks, will you see the difference between the walls i painted without extender.
It took me forever to paint 1 room, it went on thick and my brush gummed up and got ruined. This is good info. I see the thinner you have is Sunnyside M-1 Latex Paint Additive & Extender... says it extends 10-15 minutes of open time. So if you paint a whole room of trim do you just pour and mix a little at a time? Is it really that short of a timespan? Can you just pre-mix the whole can and seal it up for when you need it? Basically I am looking at painting dozens of feet of trim all over the house. I found myself painting 2 coats to get from 90s tan color trim to spotless white color. It takes me a lot of time. Thanks for the valuable info. P.S. One thing I wanted to say that you mentioned in the other video was wetting the brush before you start. I also heard in another video from another channel that cleaning the brush out every hour or so could really help avoid the destroyed brush issue I had. P.P.S. There is another video about this for people who don't know: ruclips.net/video/X43GD86STGs/видео.html
I like to use Arroworthy Finultra brushes in this situation. 4” varnish. Nice brush. About $3 cheaper than a comparable Wooster. So I use M-1 in this situation, Flotrol if I have to Problem is a little goes a long way. I use a plastic 50ml dosing cup marked off in 10ml increments. I am no expert in the metric system. I will add 20 ml to a quart. That is roughly 2/3 oz. That is 1 and 1/3 oz per gallon if I am spraying. I don't spray more than about 25% of my work.
See this: ruclips.net/video/X43GD86STGs/видео.html The products you mention are great as ling as one knows how to eliminate lap marks they create. They’re great.
QUESTION: The monkeys that I paid left roller boogers on the bathroom wall which I had to sand and repaint with a 4" Purdy 1/4" smooth nap roller. The result is I can SEE every rectangle left by the roller, despite me feathering it. The paint is BM Scuffx Semi Gloss. If I use Floetrol, can I get away with repainting the touchup areas or do I have to paint the WHOLE wall again?...
Great video!! All high end paints should provide plenty amounts extenders. Their is a lot of properties that go into a gallon of paint such as fillers and extender. Pigments solids solvents titanium acrylic dryers and so on. That is why we pay big bucks for top quality paint. Cheers!! Would be nice to see a video/demonstration on the Richard gooseneck flexible paint brush extension.😊😊👍
Not at all; if you call the technical people from the paint company, they will tell you that you have to thin down the paint especially if you are spraying it. But, water maybe you’re better alternative. Please call the Customerservice technical assistance department of the paint company you buying the paint from and they will tell you what Agent you should use FaceTime what is your painting, and the product
I enjoyed your commentary on paint extenders but I was not really impressed with the finished product you showed at the end. I am sure it looks nice to the untrained eye but I would not descrbe that as an "smooth ice rink finish" when compared to the standard of a sprayed finish or a oil based paint finish. This in my mind is the bar you are trying to reach. But again it looks very very nice however I am here looking to be impressed.
Please trust me that when that paint Had time to dry, it looked glass-like. In this video, I am unfortunately showing it to you right after I rolled it but after a minute or two, it starts to literally leveled out whereby it looks just like it was sprayed
Detroitblue You cannot really see much of the finish anyway in this video but after I put that on, it levelled out and it looked a lot better than you can see it now
Which roller are you referring to as a “high end” roller in this video? I’m looking for a high quality roller to rollout some millwork. Do you like the M1 over the XIM? Thx
@@tundrawhisperer4821 yes. In this video I got a smooth finish... but the object I was painting was rough. However, I highly recommend a 3/8” nap roller so prevalent today sold in Home Depots. Are u familiar with them?
@@spencercolgan yes, I am familiar with them. So if I have perfectly smooth millwork and door jambs, would a 1/4 nap Purdy roller be even better for leaving a smooth finish? Are you familiar with the Whizz black concave foam roller, used to put down paint as if it were sprayed? Thx.
@@tundrawhisperer4821 You are correct; yes, by the way, they come in black and white; but you know that you have to be good to make it look like it was sprayed. In your case, I recommend nothing higher than three eights of an inch thick orThe foam roller
Bardia Ghajari oops. I don’t think I was clear. I would definitely use the extender in BM Aura Semigloss especially on walls. That’s a tough sheen for walls I’d probably thin the paint a little with SCL Thinex Latex paint thinner, too if you can get it I think if you’re rolling semigloss Aura you’re going to have to have very smoothly sanded walls Start with 150 grit paper and work your way up to 220 I’d also us a very smooth nap roller cover I like the Wooster micro plush roller covers I’d probably tape off everything I could so I could cut and roll very quickly and maintain a wet edge But there is no doubt that Aura Semigloss is very hard to work with Regal Select would be a little easier to work with, I think. It would “pull” less But I think the easiest semigloss to apply to walls would be the Ben Moore, Ben. It’s a little spattery but it’s thinner and theres little less drag and pull when applying. I’d still do the wall sanding and a little latex thinner or extender and the smooth nap Wooster microplush roller cover
It is, but not a good one because, although it will keep the paint from drying too quickly, since you’re adding water to the paint, it will not keep the paint bound together and dilutes the very elements necessary to keep the paint tacky so it adheres properly. In theory therefore, yes it extends, but not a salutary extender but indeed, one detrimental to the beauty of the finished product.
Sorry, but that finish is awful, orange peel textured and the underlying wood or paint wasnt sanded to flat and smoot either. it looks exactly as my very first job without extender or without dilution of a crappy water based paint. ice skate ring smooth you say...? rather like Mars surface, cannot you see it in your video?
Another way to think of extenders is paint conditioner. It makes the paint wetter. I put a capful of MY in a cut pot, then add about a quart of paint. Then if needed, add more M1, if needed. Also note, there are 2 types of M1. The green label, as in this video, is for latex paint. The red label is for oil based. Make sure to use the right one.
This guy could do a great christopher Walken impression! lol. Already sounds like him!
Best guess is it's a mix of a Queens accent and exposure to German as a youth.
The first thing that came to my mind.....
Christoph Waltz
Thanks, Spencer, this makes a lot of sense. Always appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience to become a better painter
Thank you. Very informative and helpful.
Thanks Spencer.
You are the man
Any thoughts on the effect of this extender when adding itntonpaint that will be sprayed or if yoy even need to, airless.or hplv
Glidden is from PPG which is an umbrella company that also owns Olympic great paint company.
Interesting
Not a fan of PPG low VOC int semigloss. There’s not enough extender in the world to smooth that “glue” out
Sounds very similar to sodium silicate that I add to clay for slipcasting. A tiny amount changes the structure of thick clay slip, and turns it to a thinner consistency without using water. I'm going to try it out in paint. It should make thick paint easier to use with a spray gun.
We will see...
Hi JohnDApotter Did you try the sodium silicate with your paint yet? How did it work out?
Thanks!
I've watched a couple of your videos. They are so helpful. Thank you.
Jill. Thank you!!
Hi Spencer, I had a really, really bad wall that I manicured for a week. I'm using Benjamin Moore Aura paint to put the meat back on the wall. It is Acrylic. I ran out of Flood by Flotrol which was working fine. The Zinsser Latex Extender keeps separating from the paint like oil and water. Do I just keep remixing? It'a yuky day out there to go back to the paint store.
Big thanks!
Great advice, I'm not a painter but I'm interested in the paint conditioner . Is there different types of conditioners for matt satin and gloss paints.
Will extender remove vertical brush marks on vertical trim?
Yes
Will it help with exterior paint especially when it’s hot outside ? What about flotrol is that a good paint conditioner
Absolutely. Floetrol is excellent. I’m using it today.
When painting in the sun, I would definitely use the paint extender and also, I would spritz the top layer of the paint in the tray to protect it from evaporating; you spritz it with water from a spray bottle not to add water to the paint but just so the water on the top of the paint will evaporate rather than your paint
Spencer Colgan Wallpaper & Painting how much of floetrol do you add to a quark or gallon do I just pour it right in the gallon ? How many sprays ?
Spencer Colgan Wallpaper & Painting how much of the paint extender liquid should I use in a quart
Spencer Colgan
Wallpaper & Painting
Spencer, does extender change the sheen? If I’m painting a foyer wall to reduce lap marks, will you see the difference between the walls i painted without extender.
Does the paint dry in the same time that it would if you didn’t add the extender?
It took me forever to paint 1 room, it went on thick and my brush gummed up and got ruined. This is good info. I see the thinner you have is Sunnyside M-1 Latex Paint Additive & Extender... says it extends 10-15 minutes of open time. So if you paint a whole room of trim do you just pour and mix a little at a time? Is it really that short of a timespan? Can you just pre-mix the whole can and seal it up for when you need it? Basically I am looking at painting dozens of feet of trim all over the house. I found myself painting 2 coats to get from 90s tan color trim to spotless white color. It takes me a lot of time. Thanks for the valuable info. P.S. One thing I wanted to say that you mentioned in the other video was wetting the brush before you start. I also heard in another video from another channel that cleaning the brush out every hour or so could really help avoid the destroyed brush issue I had. P.P.S. There is another video about this for people who don't know: ruclips.net/video/X43GD86STGs/видео.html
I like to use Arroworthy Finultra brushes in this situation. 4” varnish. Nice brush. About $3 cheaper than a comparable Wooster. So I use M-1 in this situation, Flotrol if I have to Problem is a little goes a long way. I use a plastic 50ml dosing cup marked off in 10ml increments. I am no expert in the metric system. I will add 20 ml to a quart. That is roughly 2/3 oz. That is 1 and 1/3 oz per gallon if I am spraying. I don't spray more than about 25% of my work.
Does Floetrol cause white paint to yellow over time?
No!
@@spencercolgan thanks!!
Mr. Colgan: thoughts on using a high-density foam roller for flat portions of trim, versus brush, versus microfiber or velour nap? Thanks!
See this:
ruclips.net/video/X43GD86STGs/видео.html
The products you mention are great as ling as one knows how to eliminate lap marks they create. They’re great.
QUESTION: The monkeys that I paid left roller boogers on the bathroom wall which I had to sand and repaint with a 4" Purdy 1/4" smooth nap roller. The result is I can SEE every rectangle left by the roller, despite me feathering it. The paint is BM Scuffx Semi Gloss. If I use Floetrol, can I get away with repainting the touchup areas or do I have to paint the WHOLE wall again?...
Sand the entire wall with 220 sand paper on a sanding pole.
Then. Use floetrol I’m your paint. Roll out new wall. You’ll be great.
Great video!! All high end paints should provide plenty amounts extenders. Their is a lot of properties that go into a gallon of paint such as fillers and extender. Pigments solids solvents titanium acrylic dryers and so on. That is why we pay big bucks for top quality paint. Cheers!! Would be nice to see a video/demonstration on the Richard gooseneck flexible paint brush extension.😊😊👍
Thank you.
A 6 minute video to tell you that the paint levels itself out better with paint extender.
would adding a paint extender the paint I am putting on my kitchen cabinets affect the durability of the paint?
Not at all; if you call the technical people from the paint company, they will tell you that you have to thin down the paint especially if you are spraying it. But, water maybe you’re better alternative. Please call the Customerservice technical assistance department of the paint company you buying the paint from and they will tell you what Agent you should use FaceTime what is your painting, and the product
I enjoyed your commentary on paint extenders but I was not really impressed with the finished product you showed at the end. I am sure it looks nice to the untrained eye but I would not descrbe that as an "smooth ice rink finish" when compared to the standard of a sprayed finish or a oil based paint finish. This in my mind is the bar you are trying to reach. But again it looks very very nice however I am here looking to be impressed.
Please trust me that when that paint Had time to dry, it looked glass-like. In this video, I am unfortunately showing it to you right after I rolled it but after a minute or two, it starts to literally leveled out whereby it looks just like it was sprayed
Detroitblue
You cannot really see much of the finish anyway in this video but after I put that on, it levelled out and it looked a lot better than you can see it now
In that case I can understand completely that it did level out and become smoother as I am playing with it as we speak. Have a nice holiday.
Detroitblue sorry; would you please re-read my comment… I could not believe how many mistakes were in my written response.
@@spencercolgan I got ya.
Which roller are you referring to as a “high end” roller in this video? I’m looking for a high quality roller to rollout some millwork. Do you like the M1 over the XIM? Thx
Love the M1. ! Also, Purdy 1/2” roller. Ultra
@@spencercolgan is that a 4” long roller, and it’s a 1/2 nap? So your getting a smooth finished result with a 1/2 nap? Thx
@@tundrawhisperer4821 yes. In this video I got a smooth finish... but the object I was painting was rough. However, I highly recommend a 3/8” nap roller so prevalent today sold in Home Depots. Are u familiar with them?
@@spencercolgan yes, I am familiar with them. So if I have perfectly smooth millwork and door jambs, would a 1/4 nap Purdy roller be even better for leaving a smooth finish? Are you familiar with the Whizz black concave foam roller, used to put down paint as if it were sprayed? Thx.
@@tundrawhisperer4821 You are correct; yes, by the way, they come in black and white; but you know that you have to be good to make it look like it was sprayed. In your case, I recommend nothing higher than three eights of an inch thick orThe foam roller
Would a paint pour artist ever use a small amount of M 1 with Floetrol or Flood added to their paint?
Oil based finish with Owatrol added leaves a far better finish though..
Spencer Colgan doing Jay Mohr doing Christopher Walken?
Is m-1 better than floetrol?
Nope. Same quality. Please subscribe.
hey do you think high end paints like Benjamin moores aura or regal need it? those dry super fast.
Absolutely!!
Regal select Matte for walls I wouldn’t use it. But all other finishes in R Select or Aura I would. Regal Select semi-gloss most especially
@@rogerdeschenes6749 we put aura semi on walls and it was terrible . Why don't you recommend ?
Bardia Ghajari oops. I don’t think I was clear. I would definitely use the extender in BM Aura Semigloss especially on walls. That’s a tough sheen for walls
I’d probably thin the paint a little with SCL Thinex Latex paint thinner, too if you can get it
I think if you’re rolling semigloss Aura you’re going to have to have very smoothly sanded walls
Start with 150 grit paper and work your way up to 220
I’d also us a very smooth nap roller cover
I like the Wooster micro plush roller covers
I’d probably tape off everything I could so I could cut and roll very quickly and maintain a wet edge
But there is no doubt that Aura Semigloss is very hard to work with
Regal Select would be a little easier to work with, I think. It would “pull” less
But I think the easiest semigloss to apply to walls would be the Ben Moore, Ben. It’s a little spattery but it’s thinner and theres little less drag and pull when applying.
I’d still do the wall sanding and a little latex thinner or extender and the smooth nap Wooster microplush roller cover
for the walls Do you recommend Aura Matte or regal matte? With or without extender? ceiling we were going to go with flat.
So.... Is water an extender???
It is, but not a good one because, although it will keep the paint from drying too quickly, since you’re adding water to the paint, it will not keep the paint bound together and dilutes the very elements necessary to keep the paint tacky so it adheres properly. In theory therefore, yes it extends, but not a salutary extender but indeed, one detrimental to the beauty of the finished product.
Not even that could make Behr good
Sorry, but that finish is awful, orange peel textured and the underlying wood or paint wasnt sanded to flat and smoot either. it looks exactly as my very first job without extender or without dilution of a crappy water based paint. ice skate ring smooth you say...? rather like Mars surface, cannot you see it in your video?
Watch this other video of mine on paint extender and brush marks
/; you might like it.
ruclips.net/video/X43GD86STGs/видео.html