Yep. It reminds me of some issues that I run into some of the time with fixing things. I guess it's like saying "If you think the source of the problem is in one place but you're not getting anywhere trying to find it, check in a place where you would least suspect the source of the problem would be...... because that's EXACTLY where it is.
I would have said that even with a stated lifetime, there's got to be _some_ variance between individual examples. And I would have been wrong! I'm definitely curious about the possibility of a spike or similar event that blew them all out. A toner or even a noncontact voltage detector used at the gooseneck lamps might have sped things up, but the important thing is that it's fixed!
What's the line from that movie? It ain't go no gas in it. Silly stuff like that can get ya. That said, I bought a Klein ET450 tracer just for mystery stuff like this. Saves me a lot of headache. There are other ways, it's just simple and quick.
Trouble shooting 101: ALWAYS check the simplest things FIRST. Breaker tripped? No. Got fixtures like that which use regular bulbs? Try a new bulb in one fixture FIRST. Fixed? Check the other bulbs. Not fixed? THEN Look for voltage at contactors. Glad you got it sorted, but keep this comment in mind for future reference.
@@mxslick50 understand but also…. Camera confirms all lights lit then all lights out. Plus the statistical find here with this system is a failed contactor. But I get it.
@@restaurantrepairs Interesting. That would suggest that end of life span plus a random power spike took them all out. Still goes back to trying new bulbs if power was apparently present.
@@mxslick50 I think if the bulbs were at an arms reach that box would get checked sooner. In this case, even though the simplest thing is the best thing to check first, logically what he did makes the most sense. If they all go out, it has to be a system problem, or at least that is what logic would dictate.
I’ve had this happen in one of our restaurants kitchens all 7 lights went out but breaker wasn’t tripped before I did anything at all I got up and changed one and it lit up 😂 it’s the little things.
I am surprised the restaurant does not have any in house facilities techs. That was an expensive repair to change light bulbs. I was an in house tech for 14 locations and did building, hot side and HVACR . I was the only guy and was on call 24/7 so I spent a lot of time in each location doing PM's.
That was my thought, but it was one of those "that's too easy" kind of fixes. I can't say I have never chased my tail over a bulb that was burnt out. Trailer wiring for me though. Tail lights don't work, confirm no power, good ground, find a bad wire to one, fix that and the other side doesn't work so keep looking for the bad wire to that one...
I post it for good reason. Happy to show a serious overthink and not starting at square 1 scenario…. But anyone who’s first thing would’ve been to climb up and change a bulb when all 9 worked the. Went out all at once would have been wrong every other time and finally gotten this one. 😂
Was beginning to wonder if they were all dead - probably a voltage spike. Pro tip: look for enclosure rated bulbs - they almost never die short deaths like that.
it could just be the bulbs, i had some bulbs outside my garage that would consistently blow after like 2 weeks. I changed to a different bulb and they've lasted years.
That's a head scratcher. 9 bulbs all burnt. And looking how the contactors are left in with burnt poles and nothing is labeled and the rats nest of jumper wires, yeah I wouldn't think about bulbs too. Good job.
That's some rough wiring! I got myself an F-set that works on mains wiring and is pretty handy working out circuits, my guess was just poor quality lamps. What was the brand out of interest?! I love naming and shaming dodgy electrical gear!
Also based bad intel. They’re saying they were all on them all off. Which at this point I seriously doubt. You check bulbs in this scenario first you’ll be wrong 9 out of 10 times. BUT…. Yeah I could have checked them much earlier 😂
hahahahhaha Yeah I have an auto shop. I have a customer who used to own a junk yard. He is a car guy. His wife Youkon had blown headlight bulbs. He ws like yeah iv changed both sides twice in last year and half. I said ya probably have burnt bulb. It was for sure a burnt bulb. Somtimes its the ID 10 T error.
When u pulled no amps that should have tipped u off that it was the bulbs Led bulbs can still complete a circuit but the led itself just wont light up if the driver chip is blown
I kept saying BULBS!!!! You can't trust what anyone says and one by one they went out until there was none. Not this first time I have ran in to that crap. They'll swear everything went out at once, when they don't friggin know or pay attention. What's the first thing you check when someone says they replaced something and still doesn't work? The thing they replaced....... "Oh yeah, that was something used we had laying around"..... lol
@@restaurantrepairs Hahahaha, I'm never yelling when helping people out or when teaching people! But strongly suggesting to verify the bulbs are good first. Happens to everyone, that damn rabbit hole. My effing Makita M18 Fuel hammer drill got me a few months ago. Weak output and has the electronic clutch, which I hate. First thing I did was verify the clutch dial had continuity and and it checked out ok. Spent the next day messing with the BLDC controller on it. Bypassing shit, this, that.... Finally checked that torque dial again and mother fxcker, one of the resistors was open. Just like I had assumed and the first thing I friggin checked. But, it got me good and somehow missed it when it was the fist thing I checked. A drop of solder to bridge that SMD resistor fixed it.
They weren’t tho. I replaced from the center out and nothing but the one I changed fired off. Scheduled end of life. They’ve all burnt the exact number of hours.
Well, I'd have said, ok there's voltage on the load side of the contactor, but no current, there must be an open downstream, which there was, just not with the wiring itself, the bulbs!
@restaurantrepairs it sure could, my personal assumption would, at that point have been an open at the first fixture. But I would have been floored if all the bulbs were bad if it were me haha!
@@restaurantrepairs good point, probably better check the insulation degradation of your wire next time with a megger meter before you change the light bulbs
A few things: It's highly unlikely all of those bulbs failed at their normal end of life, it's highly improbable; those LED bulbs often are advertised with a rate at 16,000 hours or so. What can easily kill all of those LED bulbs is a voltage surge (errant piece of equipment in the store) or a lightning strike somewhere in the general neighborhood - that happens all of the time. Suggestion: spend money, add a surge protector to that specific circuit. Fluke makes testers that make tracing circuits like that one very easy - Fluke charges a lot for their testers, the testers will last a career. The question is how many of these situations do you chase every year. Fluke 2052 Advanced Wire Tracer or the even more expensive Fluke 2062 I get angry with things like this. No one labels anything. Often there's no real logic to the original wiring. Normally I'm a patient guy, not in situations like this. In situations like this I have been tempted to just re-wire the box so I can easily understand it and the next guy can understand it. Over the life of the building it is worth it to me. Thanks for the interesting video.
@ that’s cool man..I actually just left a smaller company of about 6 guys for TWC services if you know of em there a bigger company..I enjoyed some of the small companies perks but overall there was too many issues to stay
O ya, I would have up sold them a "GPS" timer (Intematic ET8015C,ET8215C). You'll or clients never have to go back and change it today light saving time... All ones I put in are all happy they never have to touch that timer
I feel for you my friend. Sometimes we expect a hard problem. Good job.👍
My dad used to say, "When you're standing in a shit river, move upstream until the water is clear. That's where your problem is"
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Yep. It reminds me of some issues that I run into some of the time with fixing things. I guess it's like saying "If you think the source of the problem is in one place but you're not getting anywhere trying to find it, check in a place where you would least suspect the source of the problem would be...... because that's EXACTLY where it is.
Lol!!!! 😂😂... Done that so many times.... Always thinking the problem is bigger than it is.... End of the day it's fixed, no harm no foul...
Hey, you could also wire an outlet with the black wires, and put a circuit breaker finder to figure out which switch it is.
Clever… downright brilliant 🏆
I would have said that even with a stated lifetime, there's got to be _some_ variance between individual examples. And I would have been wrong! I'm definitely curious about the possibility of a spike or similar event that blew them all out.
A toner or even a noncontact voltage detector used at the gooseneck lamps might have sped things up, but the important thing is that it's fixed!
Electrician here... since every bulb was out on the same type of fixture I would have assumed the same thing my friend.
What's the line from that movie? It ain't go no gas in it. Silly stuff like that can get ya. That said, I bought a Klein ET450 tracer just for mystery stuff like this. Saves me a lot of headache. There are other ways, it's just simple and quick.
Trouble shooting 101: ALWAYS check the simplest things FIRST. Breaker tripped? No. Got fixtures like that which use regular bulbs? Try a new bulb in one fixture FIRST. Fixed? Check the other bulbs. Not fixed? THEN Look for voltage at contactors. Glad you got it sorted, but keep this comment in mind for future reference.
@@mxslick50 understand but also…. Camera confirms all lights lit then all lights out. Plus the statistical find here with this system is a failed contactor. But I get it.
@@restaurantrepairs Interesting. That would suggest that end of life span plus a random power spike took them all out. Still goes back to trying new bulbs if power was apparently present.
@@mxslick50 I think if the bulbs were at an arms reach that box would get checked sooner. In this case, even though the simplest thing is the best thing to check first, logically what he did makes the most sense. If they all go out, it has to be a system problem, or at least that is what logic would dictate.
I’ve had this happen in one of our restaurants kitchens all 7 lights went out but breaker wasn’t tripped before I did anything at all I got up and changed one and it lit up 😂 it’s the little things.
I am surprised the restaurant does not have any in house facilities techs. That was an expensive repair to change light bulbs. I was an in house tech for 14 locations and did building, hot side and HVACR . I was the only guy and was on call 24/7 so I spent a lot of time in each location doing PM's.
That was my thought, but it was one of those "that's too easy" kind of fixes. I can't say I have never chased my tail over a bulb that was burnt out. Trailer wiring for me though. Tail lights don't work, confirm no power, good ground, find a bad wire to one, fix that and the other side doesn't work so keep looking for the bad wire to that one...
I post it for good reason. Happy to show a serious overthink and not starting at square 1 scenario…. But anyone who’s first thing would’ve been to climb up and change a bulb when all 9 worked the. Went out all at once would have been wrong every other time and finally gotten this one. 😂
@@restaurantrepairs I should have said it wasn't my first thought, but occurred to me once you did some troubleshooting.
Was beginning to wonder if they were all dead - probably a voltage spike. Pro tip: look for enclosure rated bulbs - they almost never die short deaths like that.
it could just be the bulbs, i had some bulbs outside my garage that would consistently blow after like 2 weeks. I changed to a different bulb and they've lasted years.
Should’ve watched to the end 😂. All 9 at once tho !?!
That's a head scratcher. 9 bulbs all burnt. And looking how the contactors are left in with burnt poles and nothing is labeled and the rats nest of jumper wires, yeah I wouldn't think about bulbs too. Good job.
That's some rough wiring! I got myself an F-set that works on mains wiring and is pretty handy working out circuits, my guess was just poor quality lamps. What was the brand out of interest?! I love naming and shaming dodgy electrical gear!
Lmao 😂 at least you found the problem That’s all that matters 👍👍👍
@harrydickson4575 you think next time he tries the simple thing first?
@ it happens to the best of us sometime you just overlook the easy stuff
Also based bad intel. They’re saying they were all on them all off. Which at this point I seriously doubt. You check bulbs in this scenario first you’ll be wrong 9 out of 10 times. BUT…. Yeah I could have checked them much earlier 😂
I would have guessed some kind of power spike, but I don't know why it would fry just that circuit.
Yeah none of it made sense or I like to think I would’ve figured it out faster 😂
hahahahhaha Yeah I have an auto shop. I have a customer who used to own a junk yard. He is a car guy. His wife Youkon had blown headlight bulbs. He ws like yeah iv changed both sides twice in last year and half. I said ya probably have burnt bulb. It was for sure a burnt bulb. Somtimes its the ID 10 T error.
When u pulled no amps that should have tipped u off that it was the bulbs Led bulbs can still complete a circuit but the led itself just wont light up if the driver chip is blown
You need a circuit beeper
I kept saying BULBS!!!! You can't trust what anyone says and one by one they went out until there was none. Not this first time I have ran in to that crap. They'll swear everything went out at once, when they don't friggin know or pay attention. What's the first thing you check when someone says they replaced something and still doesn't work? The thing they replaced....... "Oh yeah, that was something used we had laying around"..... lol
I can totally envision you yelling at me during it all
@@restaurantrepairs Hahahaha, I'm never yelling when helping people out or when teaching people! But strongly suggesting to verify the bulbs are good first. Happens to everyone, that damn rabbit hole.
My effing Makita M18 Fuel hammer drill got me a few months ago. Weak output and has the electronic clutch, which I hate. First thing I did was verify the clutch dial had continuity and and it checked out ok. Spent the next day messing with the BLDC controller on it. Bypassing shit, this, that.... Finally checked that torque dial again and mother fxcker, one of the resistors was open. Just like I had assumed and the first thing I friggin checked. But, it got me good and somehow missed it when it was the fist thing I checked. A drop of solder to bridge that SMD resistor fixed it.
of f sakes
I was thinking they were wired in series for some reason and one bulb was bad.
They weren’t tho. I replaced from the center out and nothing but the one I changed fired off. Scheduled end of life. They’ve all burnt the exact number of hours.
Well, I'd have said, ok there's voltage on the load side of the contactor, but no current, there must be an open downstream, which there was, just not with the wiring itself, the bulbs!
Once I got voltage on its own neutral it started to set in like…. Could it be…. Cmon
@restaurantrepairs it sure could, my personal assumption would, at that point have been an open at the first fixture. But I would have been floored if all the bulbs were bad if it were me haha!
the classic, don't over think it scenario
Bingo. But cmon…. All nine?!?
@@restaurantrepairs yeah, you should have checked voltage droP across each load first before you changed the bulbs
@missingpiece2071 checking each to neutral was checking drop in a single phase system. They all would’ve read zero
@@restaurantrepairs good point, probably better check the insulation degradation of your wire next time with a megger meter before you change the light bulbs
A few things: It's highly unlikely all of those bulbs failed at their normal end of life, it's highly improbable; those LED bulbs often are advertised with a rate at 16,000 hours or so. What can easily kill all of those LED bulbs is a voltage surge (errant piece of equipment in the store) or a lightning strike somewhere in the general neighborhood - that happens all of the time. Suggestion: spend money, add a surge protector to that specific circuit.
Fluke makes testers that make tracing circuits like that one very easy - Fluke charges a lot for their testers, the testers will last a career. The question is how many of these situations do you chase every year. Fluke 2052 Advanced Wire Tracer or the even more expensive Fluke 2062
I get angry with things like this. No one labels anything. Often there's no real logic to the original wiring. Normally I'm a patient guy, not in situations like this. In situations like this I have been tempted to just re-wire the box so I can easily understand it and the next guy can understand it. Over the life of the building it is worth it to me.
Thanks for the interesting video.
And thank YOU for sharing your insight
Do you work for a service company or by yourself ?
Small service company. One we started in disgust of the the status quo
@ that’s cool man..I actually just left a smaller company of about 6 guys for TWC services if you know of em there a bigger company..I enjoyed some of the small companies perks but overall there was too many issues to stay
@Hudson12339 yeah TWC is jumping here where I’m at? Where you located?
@ I’m in Greenville sc
@ where are you at? I can’t recall if you’ve mentioned it in any of your videos
A tone generator is your friend, buy one.....
O ya, I would have up sold them a "GPS" timer (Intematic ET8015C,ET8215C). You'll or clients never have to go back and change it today light saving time...
All ones I put in are all happy they never have to touch that timer
Dude, s l o w d o w n the camera movements.