Honestly mate, I'd run the thermal pads. If you're worried they're putting too much pressure on the drives, you can either support the drives on the back side, or even "stretch" the pads to thin them slightly before quickly applying them (thereby reducing pressure). As for the oily residue - typically it doesn't affect the drive or the label... a light wipe with isopropyl alcohol, and they'll look like new. I too run an all-nvme NAS - 4x 4tb Gen4 nvme's in a RAIDZ1 (2x Crucial P3 Plus's, 2x Lexar NM790's), along with a few 980 pros for the boot and apps/critical backup - all jammed into a Minisforum BD790i SE (Ryzen 7940HX...16c/32t... Zen4... basically sips power, and is *lightning* fast with 10gbe). You won't be disappointed with the all-nvme setup - but don't be surprised if your scrubs aren't quite as fast as you'd think they would be.
@@heyitsjel still a work in progress but without the pads they peaked at 57 C after hours of writes. I may have to hunt down thinner pads to be safe though. I'm having some performance issues but not sure why yet. ESXi might be to blame.
@@computersales 57c isn't terrible... my P3 Plus's cruise around 40-45c inside the Asus Hyper M.2 Gen5 x16 card. What sort of performance issues are you referring to? Also, what is the brand/model of the pcie to M.2 adapter card? I've had issues with cheap cards... (ie. poor performance; errors etc.). Have you checked your console for PCIe AER errors? (or dmesg) Edit: having said that, PCIe gen3 is usually quite achievable - I was having issues at Gen4; while Gen3 worked "okay" (but not great).
@@heyitsjel I got the IOCREST SYBA SI-PEX40161 to put those P3 drives in. I haven't checked for any errors yet. I may need to add some settings in ESXi to improve NVMe performance otherwise the NVMe drives perform about as well as my regular SSDs in benchmarks somehow.
@@computersales interesting - I have a few IOCREST products (eg. TB3/4 10gbe adapter) and they've generally been good. One thing I noticed on the card you're talking about, the listing on AliExpress notes "Supports data transfer up to 2.5Gb(250MB/ s),5Gb(500MB/s),8Gb(1GB/s)"... One thing I noticed on some cheaper nvme cards, is that even though they're not self-bifurcating (ie. mobo must support it), some still seem to have a plx chip (switch chip) for some bizarre reason... and usually it's some bottom of the barrel AsMedia chip that can't handle the throughput. I'd be very surprised if this was the case on the IOCREST, but it can't hurt to look closely at the PCB and google any chips you may find...
@@computersales 57c should be fine for NVME (though like you said enterprise NVME would have been even better) but I wouldn't be surprised if temps dropped quite a bit with thermal pads. In my experience gen 3 doesn't run nearly as hot as gen 4/5 though I'm kind of surprised that dell doesn't support bifurcation but that's a different matter.
Very interesting! Until two years ago, all I knew about computers was... there are laptops and desktops.🖥️ Your vids have opened up a whole new world of interest in technology! And I like it!👍 Your server rack looks so nice and can do so much more now 👏 Well done!
Nice. Question is just how much space do you need for a current edit 'in progress' and how much is 'cold-ish Storage' e.g. old Projects that doesn't need several Gigabytes/sec speeds
BTW - " ... Micron's Jon Tanguy, who works on SSDs under the company's Crucial product group ... explains, is happiest within a relatively narrow temperature band. "NAND flash actually likes to be 'hot' in that 60° to 70° [Celsius] range in order to program a cell because when it's that hot, those electrons can move a little bit easier ... " - was posted on the register website last year
@@jfkastner yeah it is interesting. The hot temps do concern me still. I believe this is the article you are referring to? www.theregister.com/2023/05/27/liquid_cooled_ssd/
@@jfkastner yeah I have to approve comments with links if they aren't my own. Even then RUclips sometimes hides them still. It's not a bad thing but it can be annoying.
@@computersales I have a supermicro box with a Xeon 6132 and 256g ddr4, I love it has Bifrication in the bios. One day ill be able to get 4 4tb drives for super fast storage.
Not sure which upgrade you are talking about. The R720 doesn't support birfurcation unfortunately. You would have to get a more expensive NVMe card with a PLX chip to run in the R720.
Given what you have there based on what I see in your video, you might actually benefit from using Ceph instead of RAID. I'd look into that if I were you. Esp since you want to move to TrueNAS Scale. And dare I say this, but given your use case you may not even need TrueNAS Scale at all.
@@Gillymonsterproductions maybe not sure. I'm switching from core because supposedly core is EOL. My biggest problem is something is bottlenecking my drives. ESXi isn't helping but it is worse than it should be. I could run the R730xd as a bare metal NAS but that is a waste of hardware.
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Best luck to you!!👍
Honestly mate, I'd run the thermal pads. If you're worried they're putting too much pressure on the drives, you can either support the drives on the back side, or even "stretch" the pads to thin them slightly before quickly applying them (thereby reducing pressure).
As for the oily residue - typically it doesn't affect the drive or the label... a light wipe with isopropyl alcohol, and they'll look like new.
I too run an all-nvme NAS - 4x 4tb Gen4 nvme's in a RAIDZ1 (2x Crucial P3 Plus's, 2x Lexar NM790's), along with a few 980 pros for the boot and apps/critical backup - all jammed into a Minisforum BD790i SE (Ryzen 7940HX...16c/32t... Zen4... basically sips power, and is *lightning* fast with 10gbe). You won't be disappointed with the all-nvme setup - but don't be surprised if your scrubs aren't quite as fast as you'd think they would be.
@@heyitsjel still a work in progress but without the pads they peaked at 57 C after hours of writes. I may have to hunt down thinner pads to be safe though. I'm having some performance issues but not sure why yet. ESXi might be to blame.
@@computersales 57c isn't terrible... my P3 Plus's cruise around 40-45c inside the Asus Hyper M.2 Gen5 x16 card. What sort of performance issues are you referring to?
Also, what is the brand/model of the pcie to M.2 adapter card? I've had issues with cheap cards... (ie. poor performance; errors etc.). Have you checked your console for PCIe AER errors? (or dmesg)
Edit: having said that, PCIe gen3 is usually quite achievable - I was having issues at Gen4; while Gen3 worked "okay" (but not great).
@@heyitsjel I got the IOCREST SYBA SI-PEX40161 to put those P3 drives in. I haven't checked for any errors yet. I may need to add some settings in ESXi to improve NVMe performance otherwise the NVMe drives perform about as well as my regular SSDs in benchmarks somehow.
@@computersales interesting - I have a few IOCREST products (eg. TB3/4 10gbe adapter) and they've generally been good.
One thing I noticed on the card you're talking about, the listing on AliExpress notes "Supports data transfer up to 2.5Gb(250MB/ s),5Gb(500MB/s),8Gb(1GB/s)"...
One thing I noticed on some cheaper nvme cards, is that even though they're not self-bifurcating (ie. mobo must support it), some still seem to have a plx chip (switch chip) for some bizarre reason... and usually it's some bottom of the barrel AsMedia chip that can't handle the throughput. I'd be very surprised if this was the case on the IOCREST, but it can't hurt to look closely at the PCB and google any chips you may find...
@@computersales 57c should be fine for NVME (though like you said enterprise NVME would have been even better) but I wouldn't be surprised if temps dropped quite a bit with thermal pads. In my experience gen 3 doesn't run nearly as hot as gen 4/5 though I'm kind of surprised that dell doesn't support bifurcation but that's a different matter.
Very interesting! Until two years ago, all I knew about computers was... there are laptops and desktops.🖥️ Your vids have opened up a whole new world of interest in technology! And I like it!👍
Your server rack looks so nice and can do so much more now 👏 Well done!
@@DHuhnCatMom yeah it is really nice having everything cleaned up and organized. Still need to clean up the room and the software.
Nice. Question is just how much space do you need for a current edit 'in progress' and how much is 'cold-ish Storage' e.g. old Projects that doesn't need several Gigabytes/sec speeds
@@jfkastner really not this much but I'm tired of playing musical NAS setups. Hopefully this will last me a few years?
BTW - " ... Micron's Jon Tanguy, who works on SSDs under the company's Crucial product group ... explains, is happiest within a relatively narrow temperature band. "NAND flash actually likes to be 'hot' in that 60° to 70° [Celsius] range in order to program a cell because when it's that hot, those electrons can move a little bit easier ... " - was posted on the register website last year
I don't want to post the URL but look for 2023/05/27 and liquid cooling
@@jfkastner yeah it is interesting. The hot temps do concern me still. I believe this is the article you are referring to?
www.theregister.com/2023/05/27/liquid_cooled_ssd/
@@computersales Correct URL, but YT has always given me headaches posting ANY, so I don't anymore
@@jfkastner yeah I have to approve comments with links if they aren't my own. Even then RUclips sometimes hides them still. It's not a bad thing but it can be annoying.
Remove those labels and add thermal pads is a must otherwise it will get too hot.
More interested to know how it performs, LOL
Working on it. I am hitting some bottlenecks and not sure why. They are software related.
Nice, so bifrication works on the Dell hey!
@@JasonsLabVideos yup 13th gen Dell R730 has bifurcation support with the newer BIOS updates. It does have to be manually configured.
@@computersales I have a supermicro box with a Xeon 6132 and 256g ddr4, I love it has Bifrication in the bios. One day ill be able to get 4 4tb drives for super fast storage.
@@JasonsLabVideos nice. I'm really hoping SSD prices get back down again.
@@computersales Same !
I only wish I jad the need of this 😂
I kinda wish I had a need as well. 🤣 This is more of a doing it because I can situation.
add the 4 bay ssd upgrade to the r720 it doesnt cost that much and was easy to instal
Not sure which upgrade you are talking about. The R720 doesn't support birfurcation unfortunately. You would have to get a more expensive NVMe card with a PLX chip to run in the R720.
Given what you have there based on what I see in your video, you might actually benefit from using Ceph instead of RAID. I'd look into that if I were you. Esp since you want to move to TrueNAS Scale. And dare I say this, but given your use case you may not even need TrueNAS Scale at all.
@@Gillymonsterproductions maybe not sure. I'm switching from core because supposedly core is EOL. My biggest problem is something is bottlenecking my drives. ESXi isn't helping but it is worse than it should be. I could run the R730xd as a bare metal NAS but that is a waste of hardware.
i will never understand why someone would use esxi when there are so much better free options
@@m8_981 used to be the industry standard and I didn't want to spend time learning something I'd never use if I got a real job.
im thinking of turning my r720 into an ai server
It would be a fun project. I need to try some LLMs sometime.
You pay for Exsi?
@@Renull55 no ESXi was free till broadcom bought VMware. Now it is complicated.