Buzz Saw Safety: Detailed Safety Discussion and Operation
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- WARNING: BE READY TO TURN YOUR VOLUME DOWN AT 19:25 AND AT 28:53 !! For slow motion of a piece dropping and almost slipping under the blade see 22:07. For another piece slipping and pinching the blade see 28:00 and listen to the blade sound change. These are a couple of illustrations of the dangers about which are discussed.
This is a fairly comprehensive discussion of the do's and don'ts of working with a Cordwood Saw, whether its tractor mounted or a stationary rig ran by flat belt. This is a LONG video, but it is packed with commentary about how common sense should override action. The things discussed are a portion of the accumulation of nearly six decades of experience feeding and offbearing a variety of these saw rigs. There are many more points to make that time would not allow. The attempt is made to reinforce the thoughts of inherent danger and stressed for that thought to remain in the forefront of your mind during each and every interaction with these machines.
If grandpa left you his old buzz saw and you are afraid to hook it up and put it to use, this video is for you....If you've just bought one from an old neighbor up the road for fifty bucks and want to know the basics, this video is for you. Its for anyone that's looking for a toe-hold on logical do's and don'ts as pertained to these simple but practical power tools. Do not for a minute think every scenario is addressed...they are not...but its a good start.
I mention a time or two in the video to 'not do the things I do or do them in the manner in which I do them' because also addressed is the concept of the threshold of safety. A first time chainsaw user should use common sense and not attempt to 'fell' a six-foot diameter Douglas Fir and a first time buzz saw user should use common sense and not attempt to be as productive with the rig as someone with years of experience. The threshold of safety is for each individual to determine based on what he knows or what he has experienced about the subject at hand. I mean come on... common sense tells you to not go to a proctologist for heart surgery. Even I would not cross THAT threshold !!
Enough preaching.....please enjoy the video...I hope some degree of useful information is passed even if it is by accident (a bit of irony isn't it). Remember always to try to take a bit of information learned and try to improve on it or tailor it for use in your particular situation or circumstance....then it becomes your own to use or pass on down the line. Try daily to make someone else the beneficiary of your hard work.
Please note that all views expressed here is purely opinion only and not intended to influence anyone to sever any body part off in the use of these machines....in addition to entertainment, the intention is totally the opposite and that's to help individuals in the safe operation of a dangerous machine and to save money on hospital bills.
No apologies on the length of the video...it was necessary this time. Note too that using the FF function too often may cause you to miss the critical part that may have been just what you needed to hear to keep your body parts intact......
You and I are so on the same page here. One thing that I will not tolerate is leaving a cut piece that falls to the ground to just play there. I usually drag a small log up and throw my pile to the other side of the log and usually, I will have moved farther down the line in my pile and it won't be an issue. If pieces fall on my side of the log, I deal with it immediately. You and I both have a very healthy respect for these saws.
Yessir, that's why you and I have all our fingers...right? While working alone, I offbear with my right hand all but the heaviest pieces. I watched your video on your old rig too. Pretty cool. Thanks Gary for the comment.
Good tips there, Tractorman. I've just got one of these back into operation this year and your videos have been very helpful. Love the buzzsaw's efficiency but it does command a good amount of respect for sure.
Great !! So glad to hear you've benefitted from them. I think there's a playlist up top that has a lot of them listed. And did you see by chance the one where the tooth layout is described..? This was one of my first videos...ruclips.net/video/TZ36Rxpn754/видео.html Thank you for the comment and please feel free to look around a while.
@@tractorman4461 Yes the tooth layout video blew my damn mind. That and the idea of hanging the blade from the ceiling and feeding it into a bench grinder tooth by tooth. That belsaw sharpener seems like a great specialty tool. Keeping my eye out for one. Thx again.
@@HayWoodsandWetlands Well good, I'm glad to hear it helped you a little. I see the Belsaw sharpening rigs like mine on FB Marketplace occasionally. You may ask around the neighborhood and see if anyone knows an old guy that sharpened everyones tools back in the day and you might find one ready to find a new home !! The 10452 is a very versatile machine, capable of sharpening dozens of different tools and blades.
Thanks for the safety tips. I will keep them in mind using my buzzsaw. I need to pull it out , the pile is getting big!
Boy I tell you it sure does and quick too. We had it completely gone a month or so ago and now we have two separate piles going, both 25' long and about 5' tall each !! But hey, that's a good problem to have: Too much wood....LOL.
Reminds me of helping the neighbors wit wood. Once a year we would buzz the pile, I was probably around 7-9 catching wood or picking it up. This saw was three point also behind an 8n. Your saw with those saftey guards looks so much better than that open blade saw. He would always saw to run a block of wood on the side of the blade to clean it and warm it up. I'm not sure how necessarily it is or was but I was never the operator. Now I no longer cut wood and am no longer sure footed enough to dare start running one now. I'd love to run a belt off my farmall bn.
Thanks so much TM 44
Well I am glad to have pulled a memory or two out of your past. Our old rig that was front mounted on an old tricycle Massey Harris 101 Jr also was an unguarded exposed 32'' diameter blade. It wasn't a tilt top like this one and took a lot more mid-body strength to slide into and back out of the blade. The old man liked the stationary table because like I said at the end of the video we would sharpen literally hundreds of cedar posts for fence mending over the course of a few years. That style worked much better for that process.
Every winter we'd cut the monstrous slab pile off the sawmill and use most of it for fuel for our wood fired cook stove in the kitchen...of course the larger pieces were for the big heating stove in another room supplementing the normal split wood.
I'll be showing you all another rig soon that will be flat belt powered off the side pully of the old Massey.
Great video, we had 3 buzz saws, one permanent mounted by saw mill, one mounted on an Old F 20 ih and a 3 point one for a ford tractor
Cut lots of wood with them. We used to take the tractor to the woods and cut up the tree tops after logs were gone
That's cool. Hopefully you still have access to one and still use it..?? Our old one mounted on the front of a Massey 101 Junior for years and years. We took it to the woods too for the branches and cut thousands of slabs off the sawmill with it. I still have several in use between here and my sons house. Thanks Paul for the input and thanks a lot for taking the time to watch.
Nice detailed explanation with lots of safety tips.... I just wish I would have kept the old man's wooden buss saw....CHEERS
Aw man, I know what ya mean. There's so many things that seemed to be worth nothing back in the day and were tossed to the side. But by golly...we kept the old buzz saw !! LOL Of course its not this particular one though....(-:
I agree, this is an 'educational' video for folks who are interested in watching to see how to operate one of the with safety.
I wish "common sense" was just that 'common,....but alas,..one also needs some level of intelligence to go along with this, as you said.
I enjoyed all 32 plus minutes of this one!
Glad to hear you enjoyed it Reg. I'm not known for excessive 'safety' concerns, but by the same token I would not sit on a box of dynamite and light up a cigarette either. LOL. Thanks for taking the interest in watching my friend.
Tractor man 44 I could listen to you all day you are full of common sense I myself are like you I burn wood same as you when I am sawing I never make any conversation with anyone love you to bits and god bless you
Distraction is a big issue...if you let it. Thank you for the very kind comment Raymond. I thought of a dozen points as soon as I shut off the camera too, but that's the problem with not preparing anything to say. But then again, sometimes I talk too much. LOL
Respect it. Respect is the feeling that something or someone is very valuable based on its worth.
So if you heard him say be careful and keep your head out of your tail feathers means respect the saw blade cuz if you don't completely pay attention you could lose that fearful edge of respect and cut your hand off at the wrist!
Have a good healthy understanding on this at all times. If you don't you'll pay dearly.
So constantly think on how to best respect this machinery and be wise, great man 44.
Chris, you added some good commentary for using a healthy dose of common sense around this and all other tools and machinery that have the potential to maim a person. That common sense is concerning not only the machine but the surrounding areas....keep your footing stable by kicking all debris out of the way. With these saws, the area around where you stand becomes covered with off fall that will cause loose footing. Thank you sir for the kind and supportive comment.
We always had three men on the saw , with the main man feeding the saw and one man catching the wood and the last man is helping feed on the out end of the wood . All of our wood piles where in the woods and so we hauled it with a manure spreader and wagons up to the house or the wood shed for piling . And you do have it sharpened correctly because you can hear it sing . the old guys would always say that it was right by the sound . And yours sure sounds great .
You described the perfect scenario for using a buzz saw effectively. I suffer from lack of help most of the time now with the kids all on their own. But that's the way we did it back on the farm. I filed for many many years and still do occasionally for a quick touch up. Here's what I do for one that needs serious work: ruclips.net/video/ezvZ7u8jUwE/видео.html Of course this particular one didn't need it that badly, but it made a good illustration of the technique.
Good evening Sir. I did work around these types of Buzz Saw when I was young and they are safer to use that chainsaw in my point of view for the amount of wood that ywe cut. Great Safety video Sir, yes you need to be awake for sure. Yes you have to use your brain these arkwards wood pieces. Yes in deed, we did cut during cold Winter time, but the ground was on bare ground and we had to make sure !!! Now you are going to laugh at me Sir, but the noise of the saw is getting me so much light up ( awake ! ) right now !!! Great video Sir and can't wait to see your splitter war !!! CHeers !!!
Good Morning Sir I remembered in the past you've made a comment about that. Wait until you see another one I adapted from a home made three point mount to a stationary rig that is powered with the little Massey Harris and flat belt. You'll like that one for sure. Its in use down at my son's house now. As a matter of fact, Ol' Joe is one that suggested a video like this back a year ago or so.
@@tractorman4461 Can't wait to see that video Sir and thank's to Joe too ! Cheers !!
A safety video? T, I knew you had it in ya. LOL! I always noticed you are very disciplined (and safe) in how you operate equipment. I enjoyed learning alot about the saw and the proper way of managing one - Good detailed explanation. Keep smiling my friend!
I wonder if Kubota makes one for your fancy new 2610 .... It sure eases the back strain with the chain saw bending over....LOL. Thanks for taking the time to watch GP !!
the funny places i find you...
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When I was young, that was my job: grabbing the piece cut off and throwing it onto the pile. And later on when I cut with the saw myself I experienced the piling up near the blade and the occasional cut off piece coming in contact with the blade. I learned to not let the cut off pieces pile up. That I believe is the most dangerous part of this setup. That and trying to stop the blade with your hand because you can't hear what someone is saying to you. Ouch!
I think one rolling or slipping under the blade is the most scary. I've had once or twice where the force of the blade coming in contact just right lifted the side of the whole saw rig with a loud BAM .... Only a couple times, but it sure gets a guys attention !! Thank you for watching these older videos..I really appreciate you taking the time to do that.
Interesting and informative. If the video would save anyone an accident by all the safety points you made it was well worth the length. Looking forward to the 2.0 splitter war video.
I hate to make long videos...most won't stay and watch. But in this case there is soooo much to be concerned about with these saws. Thank you for the complimentary comment...it is appreciated !!
Good video! I was curious, thanks for breaking it down with a great explanation!
I tried to be as logical in the coverage as possible concerning the main things people that are less than experienced will experience rather quickly. Thanks for taking the time to watch !!
Well said finally someone with common sense.
Thanks Randy, I appreciate the nice comment. The bad thing is I thought of about another 20 things as soon as the video was done !! LOL I have a ton of buzz saw videos in the playlists like this one: ruclips.net/p/PLk72G9DTzZ1tJEjzkfIvq8dY--UWCpl4-
What a fun video 44 Friend! Years ago I did help with a buzz saw operation with a long belt and was warned a few times to stay well away from it. With two or three it is far easier and safer. I have many hour on ,y table saw and I know many guys who had accidents on a table saw but none what's so ever on a buzz saw. Any tool takes common sense and never grow out of respect for it when using. It's like driving a car and many more have accidents than a buzz saw or power tools. I know a guy who shot himself in the leg with a framing nailer, flesh wound fortunetly! He had he habit of walking around and up and down ladders with his finger on the trigger ,,,,,,,at least until that day. He was climbing a ladder and bumped his leg and wham! Very lucky not to have hit the bone or knee. Did go to the ER because those racks of framing nails are held together by those wires so he couldn't pull it out, lovely, eh? Over 50 years of working with wood it hasn't been luck but great respect for moving blades. You can attest to this as well. An ounce of prevention! With a buzz saw or any power tool you have a choice to be at the smart or dumb end. So don't be a dumb arce! Smokey sez, only you can prevent dumbarseness! I think that's what I saw on a sign in a national park? So Tractorman44 Friend, another fine and fun vid packed full of fun and adventure and edge of the seater scenes! I raise me cuppaJO your way inna morning inna holler! Of course I do this most every day but more than once with such an exciting vid! Blessings to All in he 44 Family and Headquarters and Stan of course! Pleasant dreams of dancing about with sugar plums in your 44 tutu! Now there's a video that would go viral!! DaveyJO from my holler to yourz
Yessir DaveyJO...you said a mouthful. I have a cousin was cutting a 2x4 across his thigh with a skil saw. Yep...kicked back into his thigh and a trip to the hospital....must have been funny to him because it kept him in stiches for a few weeks !! Thanks for stopping in ol buddy and enjoy the coffee...I sure am !! Take care and give my best to Alice.
Those nailers can be a terror.
A younger and crazier Sneelock worked at Homebuilders Inc many years ago.
I was walking the rafters running wire through the attic before the roof sheathing was put on.
I had to watch my step. Literally because it was 16" between rafters and if I missed I either landed on the rafters in a painful way or went all the way to the floor.
As I was walking along I kept hearing what sounded like bells. Just a little tinkling sound.
I stopped and looked around but didn't see anything dragging or caught so I took a few more steps. I caught a glimpse of something flying past my face. I looked over at the flooring station and Bill Summers was on the top floor of the house stapling the walls in place. He had a Mark III stapler which shot 3" long staples through the 2x4 and into the decking. He was standing there with big grin shooting off a clip of staples at me. They were hitting the rafters and that's what I was hearing.
The framers had left their nail gun on the scaffold so i went over and picked it up. I pulled back the saftety and started unloading the nail gun in his general direction. He saw me and jumped off the deck and hid under it.
Not to be denied I just aimed the nail gun at the floor and started ricocheting nails under the deck. I wasn't aiming at him directly but it was a dumb thing to do. The nail gun would blow a nail completely through one 2x4 and sink it into the next one if if was set on full pressure. It was about like firing a 22 short.
Needless to saw he didn't aim a stapler at me ever again.
Old Sneelock's Workshop The things we do in our youth, eh? Those nailers have lots of power fer ser! I was aiming and nailing a 2x6 and a 10p nail went all the way through and landed by blue prints my friend Paul was looking over. He didn't say anything but his look said it all. An accident indeed and all the more reason to be extra respectful of power and hand tools. Thanks Kindly for your story! DaveyJO in Pa.
Good video t man 44. Made me think when me n my dad used 2 fire up his saw 2 cut up batch of firewood.your 16 horse kubota must b a work horse from the way u talk. Dont know if u ever herd of yanmar tractors ill bet u have .dad bought a new model 186d back in late 70s and that ole dog still goin and i dont think he was one 2 keep up on the basic maintenance. But she still goin strong lol he did stuff with it i didnt think a 18 hp would do.he passed in 2013 now i got the ole girl and shes all original n still looks good.have good 1 n b safe.
Yanmar made a pretty good small tractor. My buddy that's a Cub dealer in town just took on Yanmar tractors as a second line last year. Selling a ton of them, most with loaders. They look to be pretty good. Weren't the old Yanmars two cylinder diesels ? Front wheel assist makes a big tractor out of a little tractor. A LOT can be accomplished with these little guys, just like you can attest to. Now you need a buzz saw for the old gal.....
hi there another good one well done . Have 3 of them around here . but never used one . i have to many things i can get hurt on all ready around here . Merry Christmas john
Hahahaha...crack me up John. I hate to see good pole wood going to waste which is why I use these so much. I like to get a good mix of split and pole wood in the shed. They dry differently and there's more sap wood in the poles, so they burn differently too. I think I got three of them up and running, but there's a few more laying in wait to be resurrected one of these days.... I do prefer split wood though. Merry Christmas to you too.
@@tractorman4461 i use a Stihl 201 top handle saw . light small fast short bar . you can saw with it a long time because it is so lite . john
Thank you Tractorman. Very excellent info and advice. Best wishes from NZ
A friend of the family spent a year over in NZ a little while back. Isn't it funny that RUclips gets all the way over there. If you've used a buzz saw, you know exactly what was covered in the video. Thanks Slim D for the very nice comment.
@@tractorman4461 i haven't ever used one. But ive not long purchased a blade with the bearings and shaft and all that included. So i'm intending to build one. And been doing research here online . To help me to get some ideas together about different design of these buzz saws. To be quite honest your videos Tractorman to me have been like finding gold. Invaluable info for certain. So yeah, thanks again. I'll be bound to be looking back through them again too as well i suspect, from time to time. Just to help me to refresh my mind about things what ive learned here. I always prefer to play safe. So i don't mind to watch through these educational video again. Love from us to you
@@slimdusty6328 Thanks for the extended comment Slim D. If you've purchased new high quality bearings rated for high rpm and a carbide blade, you shouldn't have to be too concerned about limiting the speed of the blade to 600 to 800 rpm. If you've purchased old parts like mine are all made of, keeping within those parameters would be highly suggested. Also beware of the blade condition when using 70, 80 year old blades. Inspect closely for fractures in the center of the gullets. A fracture can without warning cause the blade to separate....
Think about this. Even though the blade is steel, the point of contact with the wood creates restriction to the blade. The blade wants to slow down because of the restriction, but the inertia created by the rotating mass doesn't want to so it creates miniscule ripples of the metal right behind the point of contact. Now, that's not scientific nor probably technically accurate but those vibrations cause work hardening of the blade and the subsequent fractures. At the right time, in a hard and dry tough piece of wood, the wobble will become exaggerated because of the weakening fractures and the blade can and will split to the side lodging itself in the wood, throwing the belt or maybe even ripping the wood from your hand..... So there is a lot to be concerned with when it comes to blade selection. I have several blades that are not usable because of the fractures.
If you are powering it with an old tractor like I do here, you can clearly see how wonderfully well the saws perform at the rpms at which they operate. Good luck with your project waaaaay over there and if I can give a little suggestion here or there, leave me a comment and I will try to help.
@@tractorman4461 well thanks so much Tractorman . Its extremely kind of you and i really appreciate this. Very good advice thank you and i will certainly look further into this advice you've provided. First off i'll start by saying that so far ive only needed to outlay $50 NZ, for this ive received a 30+ mm threaded shaft complete with the blade nut on one end, and the two fairly large bearings, plus the flat belt pulley on the opposite end. And of course there's a blade attached . And a few bits of steel of what would have originally been a part of the old buzz saw (they'd cut it off so to make it cheaper to freight down to the person who ive now purchased it from). Anyway, i'm very glad to have this advice you've delivered to me as i'll now most definitely be looking closely at all of those important points you've pointed out to me. These bearing what came on the shaft seem to me to be in perfect condition, and they are fairly large and solid old style bearing of what were usually built as strong as a brick shithouse, so that they'd last a long long time. However, i'll have a local engineer here who i know to take a look at them for me. And i'll also look closely at the blade and make sure to get some opinion from others around here who have been accustomed to sawing wood. However, i suspect even to buy this threaded shaft with the blade nut, and the flat belt pully attached alone would have cost me far more than the $50 ive outlaid so far, if i'd needed to buy it all brand new. So i think i still have the bones in the making of a buzz saw. I've been considering to purchase a new blade of around 700mm diameter , online , of which are tungsten tipped blade. Not sure if this would be best, or not. However my thoughts were that it might help me to maintain a sharp blade, should there happen to be some dirt and stuff ,on the firewood , that i might happen to miss seeing. The blade i have now is more of the older type blade like you describe, will need sharpening and perhaps ever resetting , and its 600mm dia. Anyway i was thinking about building myself a buzz saw of what might at least be able to carry the larger saw blade, if a larger one would ever be required. I happen to have an old lister single banger diesel motor of what i intended to use to run this saw off of. So i'll be setting the saw up in a semi permanent site. Even although i'll still try and engineer it so i can also set it up elsewhere behind a tractor or smaller style auxiliary motor too, if need be . I've been thinking about doing something somewhat similar to this following design . Be very interested to learn your view about what you think about this following style of design of buzz saw. By the way, many years ago i'd purchased a cheap wilderness block of cut-over NZ native forest land. There is some areas of manuka scrub as well too. I've always been a bit of a conservationist at heart and i have a love for animal and birds and so on. These days i now have apiarist who contract to harvest the manuka honey. The flowers are more prolific on the younger trees. And so i'm setting up this buzz saw for use in my selective logging of the manuka scrub bushes. So that i can then create another form of income (ie: firewood plus charcoal) which put together can still act to complement my conservationist style approach. Anyway here is a video of the style of saw i'm considering to create a similar design of ruclips.net/video/75k-90FppRg/видео.html
@@slimdusty6328 I watched the video you provided and boy o boy that machine SINGS !! I can tell by the sound of the blades 'ring' it is running way over 600-800 rpm. If you are going to concentrate the use of the Lister or an old tractor for the power, the expensive blade you are thinking of is probably not necessary unless you just want a superior product that will withstand grit and grime much better than the old style blade. I think both the Lister and the tractor would have to have a transmission style speed increaser or at least an additional 'jack shaft', additional bearings and the appropriate pully sizes to increase the delivered rpm from the power units. What makes that machine run so fast is the horizontal shaft engine whose governed speed is usually going to be 3450 rpm vs 540 rpm of the tractor. The Lister is probably close to the same but I do not know for sure.
REAL old bearings are really wide and are what they call 'babbit' filled bearings. They typically cannot sustain super-high rpm like the video link unless they are newly poured bearings. They operate by supporting the shaft on a microscopic film of oil and can never be run without a steady drip of oil into the bearing cavity. Newer 'old' bearings sustain extended higher rpm much better because they usually require nothing but a greasing with daily use. They too are limited in rpm if for no other reason than their age. Most of these old machines sit outside for decades before guys like us get them and Mother Nature has been working to reclaim the iron and steel through the rusting process. Virtually all old bearings are going to be pitted which is the first stage of failure. Extended high rpm will contribute to much earlier failure.
Brand new bearings should have a maximum rpm rating from the manufacturer in their spec sheet. You'll have to calculate the arbor speed of your machine and ensure for longevity and reliability that the chosen bearings are within your parameters. Virtually any new blade as you describe will sustain the rpm shown in the video, but beyond any doubt, not the old old blades like I use.
The buzz saw in the video looks to be an awesome machine as built for sure. The sound level of the engine being so close will be much more obtrusive that the tractor or Lister in my estimation. Being an antique tractor and machinery buff, it is a bit too fanciful and modern for me, but if you are concerned about production, this is a great machine judging by what little bit I could observe through the screen.
Being a conservationist at heart deserves praise. More people need to become aware of the impact modern industrialization has on the world in which we live.
Great video there Tractorman! Just wanted to add something on good safety practice that some guys don’t realize, is that running any kind of pto driven apparatus, ie: brushogs and buzz saws etc, they should use an “
OVER RUNNING COUPLER “, on the pto, which slips in case of something jamming up and causing damage to you or the equipment. Spending $40 or $50 is well worth it.
Oh heck yeah George, I agree. I have ORC's on several other tractors and they are life savers. My brother in law was pushed by a 6' bush hog right into a tree with a pristine John Deere 1010. Sure was bad for the front end sheet metal. The saw rig I run on this Kubota was originally a stationary unit pinned to the ground. I added the home built three point set up and also the right angle drive off of a 60's JD haybine to allow it to be powered by the PTO. The right angle drive has a factory built in slip clutch on the output shaft that drives the flat belt to the arbor. Its not really the same thing as an ORC, but when subjected to an extreme load, the discs separate and stop rotation in a similar fashion. Thanks for chiming in today and I appreciate your input. By the way...its good to see you stopping by for a visit. Don't be a stranger....LOL.
U know or anyone that gums a buzz saw blade out
@@waynegilmore6805 I don't know anyone that does it commercially, but I do it myself for my own buzz saws. Take a look at these if you'd like: ruclips.net/video/06hJGTyCPqM/видео.html Or maybe this one: ruclips.net/video/ezvZ7u8jUwE/видео.html. With careful planning, and the right gumming wheel, the same thing can probably be done on an old table saw. But you gotta be careful to avoid overheating. Thanks Wayne, and I have a whole playlist up above with mostly all buzz saw videos.
I like your videos and looking for a saw now. Liked and subscribed 👍
There are plenty of them out there. I found one on FB Marketplace literally within 5 miles of here for $40.00. I contacted the seller and it was sold almost the instant it was posted....I was the second caller. Dang..... Then again you see others where they ask 3 or 400 bucks for one. The best thing is to check farm auctions. I use Auction zip and skim through the pictures, because you can see stuff in the background like a buzz saw or a blade that they don't take the time to list. FWIW, I bought a rusty but new blade, arbor and set of bearings for five bucks at one. Thanks for the sub....hope to see you around on some of the other projects. We do a lot of tractor work too.
Good advice...thank you.
Well Calvin, the whole thing is keeping your head in the right spot when working with these rigs. AND keep the debris out from under your feet at the same time. Thanks for watching another one !! I appreciate your time.
Oh well thanks, that's good to know that my 6hp lister would be capable of doing the job. And its certainly economical on fuel that's for sure. And will run on lots of types of oil at a pinch too. No i haven't caught up with all of your buzz saw videos as yet. And yes i'd be keen to know which videos of yours in particular that you'd recommend for me. That would be helpful thanks Tractorman. Our own old man died of bowel cancer when he was 38 unfortunately. I know he would have loved this piece of dirt what i try to take care of. He was a carpenter and had been the type to buy those popular mechanic magazine as well. He was inventive type himself too and had used plans provided within that magazine to build himself a enclosed plywood box table saw set up with a blade what swung upward, and was controlled by the operators foot. I imagine he'd have known how to sharpen the saw blade too, as it was also what the past generations would all need to do too wasn't it. You didn't just throw your saws, or the circular saw blades away, and go buy another one back in those days. You'd even resharpen and reset your handsaw. I've learned a few blacksmith skill off of the last railways qualified blacksmith in our area before he'd passed away, so i generally don't throw much steel away ever. In fact i'm careful to go near dumps too, in case i'm tempted to drag more and more stuff home haaaaaa . In the end i hope to use some of the charcoal i'll produce from the selective logging, to fire up the forge.
Sorry my friend, this comment snuck by me for a few days. LOL
I never pass up a free piece of iron. Being retired now though most of the access to it has been cut off, but my son still grabs a few pieces of shorts and off-falls from his continually changing jobsites. I am just glad I was able to bring home as much as I did because #1, I have always built stuff out of it and 2), it keeps it out of the landfill. Back in the day, the general contractors had to pay to have scrap companies set a hopper on site and pay by the pound to send it off. It helped their bottom line to have guys like me lighten the load in the hoppers a little here and a little there.
I can't think of a particular video for you to watch, I'd suggesting watching as many as you can of mine as well as others so you get a more balanced idea of ways to use, build or adapt a buzz saw for the way you want to use it. Then proceed with what you decide armed with all kinds of information and ideas.
Like there's one thing that puzzles me... Not being a professional saw doctor, I can't think of a single non-carbide wood cutting blade that requires sharpening the back side of the tooth. Yet you see sooooo many guys sharpen these buzz saws on the back of the tooth instead of the front. Hitting the front with a file maintains the tooth geometry whereas hitting the back of the tooth dobbs it off totally changing the shape over time. Some so severely that the back of the tooth actually rubs in the kerf behind the cutting edge that no longer comes in contact with the wood. Now there ARE ripping blades that have opposing angles shaped on the rear of the teeth, but the cutting surface is still sharpened from the front...yet guys still sharpen the rear. Of course all I am doing is mimicking the movements from my old man and have not real expertise to clarify or prove my thoughts.
@@tractorman4461 no worries its all good, and besides you must have so many comments at times that i'd say sometimes might be hard to keep up with answering them all. Im beginning to wonder if this blade what i have might have been sharpened by someone to act as a dual purpose blade . To rip and cross cut. See these to following video where this guy uses his saw to do a bit of both. Although i'm not sure i would feel comfortable to use it the way he's seen to be doing so though, as his hands seem to get mighty close to the blade. In the part two video he shows his method to sharpen in a little more detail ruclips.net/video/jKKcyKxu7aQ/видео.html and ruclips.net/video/4xA6TFE9cI4/видео.html . On the blade what i have they've sharpened the back side similar to how this guy does, except for that its also look to have been sharpened to a precise angle as well (to the effect that if you were to look at the blade when sitting on the spindle, the angles on the front and the back would kind of come together to create a type of point, being as they'd be on opposite angle). I wonder if perhaps some people might have sharpened blades in this way when they'd be dealing with trees of what would have had mega amounts of knots
Great video brother
Thanks Eric for watching and commenting. So many are afraid of the danger because they don't realize the level of common sense that's required to run these rigs. That's the whole thing in a nutshell.
@@tractorman4461 I agree I want to take time and learn for sure
@@ericbunksvintagesportsman6311 I would suggest for a beginning user to not cross the blade with your are as I do. I've been on these rigs for around 60 years and so many of my actions are 'reflexive'....something that takes thousands of repetitions to acquire. Start out with both hands on one side of the blade and let the cut fall to the ground. Just make sure you stop and clear before they build up to where they can come in contact with the bottom of the blade. And make sure you continually clear the area of debris around your feet. Don't create an unstable environment for your feet. Good Luck. In that thread I suggested there are several on sharpening and shaping the teeth too. At least the old school ways.
@@tractorman4461 Great advice! Thx! I would only cut very small diameter pieces also
Hi how you doing young man that's a fine video I like how you're sharing your experience stay safe young man thanks
Well like I’ve said a number of times .... I don’t believe information is ours to keep, I think it’s just ours to pass on. The way I see it sometimes something just sticks out like a sore thumb when you see it being done in a different way and the old light bulb in your brain lights up and you think holy cow that’s a LOT easier than the way I do it. At least that’s the way it works with me anyway. LOL. Thanks Robert for watching and commenting too !! Hey .... I’m working on another saw rig video you may like. It’s driven with the long flat belt off the tractor side pulley. It might be a week or so though. Maybe more. Thanks again sir.
I like you have cut a lot of wood with one of those Salz. You have to use your head and be on your toes and you’ll be just fine. Ours were mounted on the front of a Farm all H or M and running with a flat belt. It would be cool if you would do a video on the art of sharpening, putting set and gumming out that sawblade. Maybe you already have it I just haven’t seen it I just found your channel today. Great video! I always loved hearing those blades sing.
Hey Bruce..thank you for the awesome comment and yes they are not dangerous at all if you just keep your mind on what you're doing. But there's a lot of guys just won't believe you. They think its the 'Saw of Death' or something. LOL. I've got a lot of videos on these rigs... I need to make a playlist to put them all together. I have several saw rigs, two with three point adaptions and one for the flat belt. Try this one for sharpening:ruclips.net/video/ezvZ7u8jUwE/видео.html or maybe this one:ruclips.net/video/ed8WSvOXvkw/видео.html or this one when I was just getting started on youtube:ruclips.net/video/TZ36Rxpn754/видео.html
Very well done. You covered a lot of territory. For sure you can't put a price on common sense.
Well...I remember being on the tail end of 18' slabs up on the sawmill helping the old man put them through the saw rig on the front of the 101 Junior. Uncle Chippo off bearing and tossing into the dump bed. All this in the snow...slipping this way and that while being chewed out for doing everything wrong...!! LOL. Of course there were plenty times in nice weather too.... Then...sharpening cedar posts....the list goes on. LOL
I just stack my logs in a pile an chainsaw it. But if I was out in the woods, it might be worth while to cut on the spot.
You need a side gard so the cutoffs fall away from saw.
We have taken it to the woods many times. Most of what we get has to be hauled in, so we haul limb wood and logs then stack it separate here at the shop for processing directly into the woodshed. Yes, a side guard would be kinda nice, but a helper is better. Unfortunately they are few and far between when the wood needs cut. By the way, your username is my DIL's mothers name.
Great safety vid, Tractorman44. I don't have a buzzsaw and probably never will. Respect your equipment and keep your head out of your a$$.
Yessir, they demand respect. Totally unforgiving. They are not for everyone though. Especially if you don't heat with wood. LOL. They are though quite fun and fast in processing pole wood.
I left my buzz saw at the old house. Regretted it ever since.
Yeah, that pretty much sucks. They pop up around here for fifty bucks occasionally but the other day some local greedy gut was asking $500.00 on Marketplace for one. WOW. I am almost positive it is the same one that sold two miles from me a month ago for $75. I called and he had a guy coming over already. I can't believe anyone would pay 500 bucks for one.
@@tractorman4461 I got my buzz saw from my neighbor Bob Collins. He had it in the side yard with a for sale sign. I stopped and looked at it. He was just interested in finding someone who wouldn't scrap it out.
We became good friends after that. He is the one who helped me get Big Ernie the Ford 3 ton running. He also drug home a few tractors for me.
The buzz saw was cleaned and painted then I waited to find a flat belt drive for it.
Got the belt but we ended up selling the house before I ever tried it.
Too many irons in the fire. The house has been sold 3 times in the 9 years since we moved.
Don't know what happened to the buzz saw. Might be on Marketplace. If you see one painted Farmall Red with a wood frame and 30 inch blade it just might be.
How's she goin'? Buzz saws are dangerous for sure. But if used safely they can cut a lot of wood in a short time. Good luck in Splitter Wars!!! Take care!!
Hahahaha....We've recorded Splitter Wars video already and pretty much goofed off the whole time. LOL. We did get it done though !!! I'm thinking.....Buzz Saw Wars....??? LOL Thanks Mike for the comment.
Tell the people to watch harmless farmer
That's a good guy right there. I've watched a number of his videos. An amazing man for sure. Iirc, he lost both his arms to a grain auger as a little kid. Thanks Wendell for the comment. Btw, you are probably only the second guy I've ever met with our first name !!
44 safety ed is always the best we be come complacent then trouble but with ed less of a chance
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Yessir, like the old man said....boy, keep your head outta your tail end !! LOL. Thanks Peter for the comment sir.
Not boring at all.folks that run a chainsaw in the woodz, don't think outloud of all the safty that is going on because safety is the nature of the beast?
Yes, you're right Mike. Its very difficult to put into words easily ALL that your mind processes during an activity. I usually don't preach safety too much, but there were a few comments on other videos that suggested I should do one. Thanks for watching and commenting sir.
Glad u did! Thankz
....If safety is boring ......... you are destine for failure.........
... THANK YOU for the video TM44 , These are the thing our fathers once taught us.
NOW , it's a WHOLE new game............ starting over again........... SAD !
.........Millennial : A saw ??? that was the weapon in Call of Duty 2 .....
Hahahahaha....I'm afraid that video games are a foreign entity to me ! LOL. But I've heard of it at least. If there was a renegade saw guy in there it must be pretty cool !! Though I don't profess safety too often, when it comes to these saws, its better than a good idea....Its a MUST !! Thanks for the comment Bubba G, take care.
Your videos are very habit forming lol
Well, by golly....I am happy to hear that Stephen. Don't be a stranger and comment anytime. It may take a while, but I should reply eventually. Thank you for the very pleasant comment sir.