Great to see a Q&A like this. Really highlights how passionate and humble we (sometimes) need be about the process of understanding our throws. I'm in my mid 40s and back in active throws training for about 9 months now after a quarter century break and I really enjoy the process of working things out while properly "learning" the shotput spin and cleaning up my discus form as well from the garbage movement patterns I had as a teenager (even though my results are still way worse due to "life"). You are a better athlete/thrower than I am but I will still share my insight about why "I THINK" you haven't hit it big in discus yet: You finish like a shotputter (or at least that was the case in your longer videos that are a few years old, looks similar in the halfturns you did in the discus/strongman short). What I mean is that in discus we need to respect the orbit and axis of rotation so much more because it is a "wide swing" so we need to capitalize on the hip/shoulder separation and start converting that into speed on the discus on the way down from the catch and get proper depth in our stance so we can drive the hip/knee "around" as well as forward/up working against that increased centrifugal force of the discus to essentially "slingshot" around/forward into the finish. In your 3 year old video the discus was never able to catch up to you because you "cheated" the lowpoint by jumping too soon and/or not putting speed on the disc on the way down so you maintained hip/shoulder separation all the way to release never really "hitting" the finish solidly but rather rotating through. If you want to look at a thrower who isn't a mainstream household name that hits these things well I suggest you check out Niklas Arrhenius (I believe it is him throwing in this clip over at throws university where Dane calls him "Nik" ruclips.net/user/shorts0iCA1qAG954 at least it looks a lot like him and the age matches). "Rotating through" works really well for some throwers in the shotput though for 2 reasons: 1) the shot is a lot closer to vertical in relation to our braced hip and center of mass so getting the hips ahead into the finish to get that deep cross-body stretch late works well because we transition from "spin" to "thrust" and thus no longer need to strictly adhere to our axis of rotation (makes me think of parallel stand throws), 2) as the shotput finish is an "extension" outward and not a "swing" across it can happen much later (probably 45-75 degrees later). Prime example of both of these points would be Tom Walsh.
0:15 60 meter discus throw? 0:27 Passing 50 meters in discus. 1:36 What influences throwing more, speed. or power? 3:10 How to stay grounded in the throw? 4:34 Joe is STUD 😎 4:45 How tall are you? 4:56 Best exercises building speed in legs. 5:56 What Keeps you motivated? 6:35 Tips for transitioning to college weight? 9:38 Does playing football/other sports hinder throwing? 12:22 Gage is an absolute beast in the gym. 12:34 Drills to straighten left/right side block. 13:49 Would a 4k discus be useful in training? 15:37 How do you keep chest and eyes back landing in the power position? 16:33 Program your weightlifting and training. BUY JOES PROGRAM. 17:48 Speed-run world record question. 17:51 Stopping collegiate throwing. 19:29 Basically a question asking how to throw. 20:58 How important are standing throws to half turns and full throws? 22:04 Drills should not be the main focus. 24:44 How do you train like a discus thrower while not being too big and slow? 26:56 How can you keep arm from dipping or scooping? 27:18 Competing unnattached. 28:12 Best foods to gain weight. 30:32 Analyzing Dukes throws. 30:57 Outro
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Great to see a Q&A like this. Really highlights how passionate and humble we (sometimes) need be about the process of understanding our throws. I'm in my mid 40s and back in active throws training for about 9 months now after a quarter century break and I really enjoy the process of working things out while properly "learning" the shotput spin and cleaning up my discus form as well from the garbage movement patterns I had as a teenager (even though my results are still way worse due to "life"). You are a better athlete/thrower than I am but I will still share my insight about why "I THINK" you haven't hit it big in discus yet: You finish like a shotputter (or at least that was the case in your longer videos that are a few years old, looks similar in the halfturns you did in the discus/strongman short). What I mean is that in discus we need to respect the orbit and axis of rotation so much more because it is a "wide swing" so we need to capitalize on the hip/shoulder separation and start converting that into speed on the discus on the way down from the catch and get proper depth in our stance so we can drive the hip/knee "around" as well as forward/up working against that increased centrifugal force of the discus to essentially "slingshot" around/forward into the finish. In your 3 year old video the discus was never able to catch up to you because you "cheated" the lowpoint by jumping too soon and/or not putting speed on the disc on the way down so you maintained hip/shoulder separation all the way to release never really "hitting" the finish solidly but rather rotating through. If you want to look at a thrower who isn't a mainstream household name that hits these things well I suggest you check out Niklas Arrhenius (I believe it is him throwing in this clip over at throws university where Dane calls him "Nik" ruclips.net/user/shorts0iCA1qAG954 at least it looks a lot like him and the age matches). "Rotating through" works really well for some throwers in the shotput though for 2 reasons: 1) the shot is a lot closer to vertical in relation to our braced hip and center of mass so getting the hips ahead into the finish to get that deep cross-body stretch late works well because we transition from "spin" to "thrust" and thus no longer need to strictly adhere to our axis of rotation (makes me think of parallel stand throws), 2) as the shotput finish is an "extension" outward and not a "swing" across it can happen much later (probably 45-75 degrees later). Prime example of both of these points would be Tom Walsh.
0:15 60 meter discus throw?
0:27 Passing 50 meters in discus.
1:36 What influences throwing more, speed. or power?
3:10 How to stay grounded in the throw?
4:34 Joe is STUD 😎
4:45 How tall are you?
4:56 Best exercises building speed in legs.
5:56 What Keeps you motivated?
6:35 Tips for transitioning to college weight?
9:38 Does playing football/other sports hinder throwing?
12:22 Gage is an absolute beast in the gym.
12:34 Drills to straighten left/right side block.
13:49 Would a 4k discus be useful in training?
15:37 How do you keep chest and eyes back landing in the power position?
16:33 Program your weightlifting and training. BUY JOES PROGRAM.
17:48 Speed-run world record question.
17:51 Stopping collegiate throwing.
19:29 Basically a question asking how to throw.
20:58 How important are standing throws to half turns and full throws?
22:04 Drills should not be the main focus.
24:44 How do you train like a discus thrower while not being too big and slow?
26:56 How can you keep arm from dipping or scooping?
27:18 Competing unnattached.
28:12 Best foods to gain weight.
30:32 Analyzing Dukes throws.
30:57 Outro