How to Effectively Ask for a Pay Raise - Prof. Jordan Peterson
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- Опубликовано: 24 янв 2018
- Psychology professor Jordan B. Peterson offers practical advice on obtaining a raise in salary - especially for people who tend to be more agreeable.
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Forget about everything you heard here today. Do you want a raise? Ask your bosses what you can do to advance in the company and after a while come back and show them that you did everything they told you to do to advance in the company. Easy.
@@gabrieldemoraesnasser they look what you did before what you can bring in futre... but if you get too high.. they will replace you...
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Peterson's speech is more useful to women than the whole feminist movement.
I completely agree....
Exactly, most of them just say “we are getting paid less and this is wrong” and I agree, but what they’re not concerned with is WHY these women are being paid less, because it’s literally illegal to pay someone less for the same work, so maybe they’re not doing the same amount of work, or maybe they are and aren’t making it clear to the boss that they are doing a lot of work, because a boss has to manage a whole lot of people, you can’t expect him to keep personal diaries of everyone
Killer D it's a fact that women are paid more in UK. And that led to woman don't dating men anymore because ironically they don't want to date men who are paid less money than them. Proof that women simly don't know what they want.
Time for men to be men again.
@@RabbitConfirmed Maybe try to be more competent.The top tier men always get the women.The people at the bottom become bitter and loathing.
That's always been the case. Much of what he talks about is based on his clinical practice. Specifically his practice dealing with women and career and pay. Women came to him to help their careers. And he's been overwhelmingly successful with them.
How can people say he's sexist? He's genuinely giving girls in his class some of the best advice they will probably EVER hear. And he's doing it because he REALLY WANTS THEM TO DO BETTER FOR THEMSELVES. Not because it's the "right thing to say." What a guy.
The gender pay gap is created both by a cultural view on what a women should do after having kids, and what women do to take in the role of a mom; why women with the same degrees and background are paid less each year after childbirth, which is why women without kids are paid practically the same as men. It’s not about how confident they are or agreeable, that is demeaning and pushing on misogyny. He is giving bad advice and statistically wrong advice, because if they ever have kids it won’t matter how agreeable they are or not.
@@zipity2782 What makes you so confident to assert that women are just as agreeable as men when literally ALL of the psychological data out there shows that women are more agreeable? In order to hold your viewpoint you therefore have to assert then also that you don't believe in psychology or science. So explain yourself.
@@kathrynkearney2847 zipity wasnt argueing against the differences of agreeableness. He was arguing that the pay gap is due mainly to the burden of childbirth on womens careers
@@zipity2782 you are half right. the pay gap is largely influenced by the fact that women have children. egalitarian cultural views actually have a NEGATIVE association with pay equality, so you're also half wrong. but I also don't see an argument here. the pay gap can be influenced by the biological role of motherhood AND average difference in agreeableness. the only thing I think we disagree on is the cultural association you claim to correlate with the pay gap, which it doesn't, so there's really no argument here. thanks for your opinion!
@@zipity2782 it's not demeaning, it's psychology
I asked a raise exactly the way JP suggested, they said 'you don't even work here'.
That is chaos, you didn't expect that, and it's bloody terrifying
Be more confident next time.
Ok Kramer
@@seamusriley3532 hahahaha this one gave me a chuckle.
That's what makes this so hard...
man, your thumbnails are insane
I take that as a compliment, thank you ;)
The best part is how ridicules your thumbnails are, I don't even watch the video.
I can't breathe 😂😂
@@nemmdamistriv2074 That aged well
Nitin Singh 😂
Just came down here to drop a comment after trying this... after 2 years without a raise I finally asked for one.
Got a 25% increase! Thank Mr. Peterson for opening my eyes.
WOW. CONGRATS!
HUGE congrats doing my one year evaluation today 🤞
1:17
The first pay raise. I didnt talked about "money", i talked about functions and authority to exercise these: "Boss, I have duties that belong to a supervisor, yet I am not, so I cannot order people what to do as I cannot hire, fire nor evaluate anyone from the team". No talk about money as it was implied that a supervisor gets more. It was a brilliant move as I was made within 2-3 days.
Nicely done!
Thanks now i know how to for the next time
Nice :)
Sadly that doesn't work for me, because my pay depends on "complexity of duties" and it's hard to negotiate whether something is complex, very complex or exceptionally complex due to lack of any scale..
Fortunately I get raises above the regular 2-3% anyways
What job is this?
Smort
I had a job where I was the supervisor and later found out a person that I supervised was making more than me and also had been employed for less time than me. Pointing out the obvious discrepancy, I asked for a raise, but didn't get it. So I found a better job. When I turned in my letter of resignation, the boss immediately offered me a raise and a promotion. I politely declined; I'm not into playing those games.
Boss girl shit
hell yeah
@K9 isn’t it a game everywhere, you won in the end, but forfeited your victory out of pride? Did you request matching your salary to your coworker’s or substantially more?
I’m in exactly your situation at work.
@@zaiten2012 Most people end up eating shit their whole lives because they figure they can't do better. I felt I deserved better then went out and found it. I did ask for more pay at first, but was told because of my job description that I was maxed out. In a few months I was outta there. Never looked back.
@@K9River I earn less than a grunt, but I’m either a foreman or supervisor; i assign tasks, train and lead a crew of machinists, while also getting dirty like them on top of overseeing the warehouse. ¿Do you know the pay-scale difference between those three ranks?
This is true. I have gotten many raises and promotions simply by acting as if I was going to be walking out the door. The trick is not to "act" at all though. You actually have to be willing to leave if you are not given what you asked for. Same goes for getting the job in the first place. I have always found interviews to be fairly simple. I pretend in my mind that the job is already mine and that this is more of a performance review. You basically have to cultivate a persona lacking in any fear of unemployment and with the mindset that you are valuable. Easier said than done I suppose if you lack meaningful skills. Anyway. always remember that your employer isn't a benevolent entity that gives you money for no reason. They give you money because you are creating value for them, and when you realize that they are probably taking advantage of you to a grotesque degree it becomes easier to walk in the office with your dick swinging around and ask for what you deserve.
Your delivery is hilarious but so on point! Kudos
very accurate and well put. the key to being able to walk at any moment and the confidence to do so (for me) is having savings, the financial ability to actually walk my happy ass out and know for damn certain i will be fine for months on end if needed makes it their kryptonite. they cant call me on my bluff, 'cause i ain't bluffing!
save your money people!
well said
Thank you for this comment. A lot of people need to see this for their own good and the good of society.
@@notpublic8961 Raises do not come without asking in any and all companies or areas simply because you show skill. Even if ethically that SHOULD be the case. Your privilege is showing and your ignorance might as well be tattooed on your forehead.
This is so key to getting paid what you're worth. You have to know what you're worth, you have to State what you're worth, and you have to be willing to walk away if you don't get what you're worth
I was in management for 10 years finally got out of it cause I hated the conflict, I couldn't make everyone happy, and wanted my employees to like me even though I knew some of them hated me. I am an agreeable person. Peterson is spot on.
Are you Michael Scott?
@@ben3559 felt like it at times. But not that nice.
He's gotta be spot on, what he's saying is the product of professional theoretical and empirical studying!
You can never have all employees like you. That's just not par of the course. Keep a cordial professional relationship with them and accept that some are by nature opposed to managment.
I feel this, I just got promoted into management after working hardcore labour on the production line for the past year. I'm now in a position where I have to engage in conflict with the people I considered my friends or at least on my side vs the higher ups.
I use to be agreeable, but when I went into high school I was fed up of being the nice one at my last school, and always saying yes to people and not telling people when I didn't like something. My life was so much less stressful and easy when I was just honest, and learned to say no, and stand up for myself, and now I'm a stronger person for it
Glad to hear. Also, Epstein didn't kill himself.
Nicole Girgis I started off with simple things like saying no to people borrowing a pen (without being mean) I also used to not just say I knew what somebody was on about just to not be disagreeable, and to seem "cool" .then I started becoming more assertive with a new found ability to tell people no to things. Then actually started becoming more respected as a person, and believe it or not made more friends
I was pretty disagreeable before I hit HS, cuz my personality only cared about candy and hiding morning wood
Didde I was same like you, but I got more disagreeable in college after I called out teachers on their leftwing idiologie and disgussed with colleges on a regular basis.
Geez this sounds like me, I am just starting to change myself
This is amazing. Also one thing to remember is every time you get a job ASK about how to get raises, time frames, and what’s the max you can make. That gives you stuff to go off of rather then just randomly saying i want more money
Great idea. I will keep this in mind.
Thanks for this! I even printed this comment haha
My manager quit so they offered the position to me and showed me all the new extra tasks and responsibilities i would be doing so i asked "does this mean my pay will increase as well?" "no no no" they said so i declined the position and a week goes by and they still havent found a new manager so they bring me into the office and say look we'll increase your pay but if you make a single mistake, your gone" so i looked them dead in the eye and said "to error is human" got up and walked out and have been happier ever since.
Your actually a stone cold killer if you actually said that😭 good for you
- Be disagreeable, don’t agree with your boss when he tries to come up with reasons you shouldn’t get a raise
-Present the Value you bring ,
- Don’t underestimate your own value or let your boss underestimate your value
- Point out if your boss is underestimating your value and how
- Give your boss a reason and incentive to give you a raise that in some way offers benefits to them
- Be willing to take on more responsibility
- Don’t be mouthy or your boss will think you’re a son of a Bitch and not give you anything
-Don’t be too agreeable or you won’t prioritize or achieve your own interests
- Show a negative effect of you not getting a pay raise , without being mouthy or making threats .
Example: I have worked as hard as I can and I need to see that that work wasn’t for nothing or it will kill my incentive to work hard. If I’m going to be a successful asset to this company I need to know that I’m in a company where I can grow and succeed , just as you want me to grow and succeed as an employee so the company can grow and succeed.
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Thx bud!
shiiiii- thx for the points and plus a wonderful example to word them
@@kautsarmw9526 another good one that I learned is to ask the question to them
“How can I be part of the Future of this company?”
It will make them want to promote you already and even if they don’t they will see you as having higher value immediately because you are asking that kind of question.
This one is better for actual jobs on actual countries where there's actual motherfuckers running them.
"Got a job offer that values more my time. Unless anything changes to make my staying worthwhile, expect to recieve a resignation letter this time next week.
Did this the other day and it worked. Yes I actually had another job offer also. I told my Boss, said I'd rather stay where I am and I enjoy what I do, but I ultimately need more money. She obliged and offered me more.
One of my biggest regrets is never asking for a raise. I never get promoted or pay raise. My performance always improves. I always assumed management would notice and give me one. Never again, this time I'll ask for one before moving on.
Just find a better paid position in another company and change your employer. There's your raise.
Did you?
@@lukehanakI bet they said no or gave him 4%. Now he’s on the hunt
did you succed when you ask, pls share your story..
Asking for a raise today, wish me luck :O
David Islas how it went sir?
@@adamfeher2210 Yea dont leave us hanging.
@@sodakid1919 He got fired for being a disagreeable son of a bitch
Osmund lol
Well It didnt fly lol but I still have the job
Along these same lines, if your boss gives you a raise without being asked, do what you can to remain in good standing. Bosses that value their subordinates and don't view them as replaceable are incredibly rare and worth holding onto.
The day I get a raise without asking hell will freeze over.
@colin I’m a foreman, yet I earn less than the workers I supervise. In spite of becoming indispensable, I see how ridiculous it is to get a raise without asking for it. when hell freezes over, indeed
@@zaiten2012 Ask for a raise. You clearly deserve it.
What if the raise is not enough? And not in line with market rates
Honestly this was the best video I ever watched I just wanted to thank you I took your advice and followed it to the letter and I recieved a 5 dollar raise thank you Jordan Peterson coming from a man who was truly down both mentally as well as financially you have helped me
Around 2010, As a 19yo kid working at a chick fil a for about a year, I used this exact process and didn't even realize it. At first my boss thought I was quitting, and flat out asked me if that was the case. I said "no, I was actually going the other way. I'd like a raise." I was making $8 when minimum was $7.25.. I got a $2 raise on the spot, retroactive for the current paycheck (about a week and a half). Thats a 25% raise. The thing you need to think about before you ask for more money, is whether or not you're ACTUALLY doing a good job and not just going through the motions. Make sure you go above and beyond like it's your own business.
Great! All I need now is to get a job.
Brilliant, and spot on.
I got a 30% increase in my full time pay offer as a software engineer and I used his exact method to do it. I didnt watch this video at the time but still did exactly what he discussed (spoke about what I have done and continue to do and other offers that i have received)
Have you not mentioned the offers you wouldn't have had that %. I'm planning on doing the same thing but without the offers part. I'll will try to squeez in 25%, wel'll see what will happen.
@@nikolapashov5181 i have in the past made up competing offers saying “i got another offer from a tech company thats offering me x. Is there any way we can match this?” They wont ask for proof but if they do you can say “its still a verbal offer and they will give me the written one if i choose to accept”
@@nikolapashov5181 you can also soften it saying I like this company and team and want to be here long term. This will be another incentive for them to bring up the pay a little to make u happy.
Bro he was staring at one student from 0:49 until 1:39. I cannot imagine the overwhelming stream of knowledge being concentrated into one person for that long without them disintegrating, must have been brutal.
duuuuude i was thinking the same thing! lmfao I woulda looked around the room like.....bro there is more people here look at them too please!
I felt intensely uncomfortable for that student. My anxiety went through the roof watching that part.
Lol he probably didn't even realize it because of how engrossed he was in his thoughts
Jordan has a great way of explaining this. I always seems to learn something when I listen to him.
My method is to drop down on my knees in the prayer position while crying uncontrollably and begging my employer
go move to Japan lolol (no offense)
@@9o1ybius explain please
Getting down on your knees will certainly help your case with some people...
@@nakukohee1858 It's kind of exaggerated, but Japanese are known to be extremely polite and respectful to their seniors including bosses. Kneeling is something you do when you're desperate in trying to convince someone to do you a favor.
This is the general idea I used for the joke. I'm not Japanese so any Japanese out there feel free to correct me
@@9o1ybius Yeah I was thinking they would just bow out of respect but I guess desperate people would do that
The best way to get a pay raise is to give your two weeks notice. Take a raise. Work for 1 more year. Then leave. That last year, will be the most liberating year you have ever had working. You will not care about reviews. Your boss will know that you have the will to leave and he will want to keep you. And you know it is a short term gig till your better job comes along.
Quitting and/or getting fired can be the most liberating things in the professional world. I've had both happen to me and I've been better for it each time.
I showed this video to our team lead who is a very hard working women.
A month later she got a pay raise.
She thanked me for this clip.
So girls and boys... This advise by prof. works 👍
absolutely speechless, any time i listen to dr peterson he never fails to blow my mind. wish my vocabulary was like his
This is seriously some of the best advice I've ever heard in life. Very balanced, based on data, and immensely practical.
My experience with jobs and working is to prove yourself without question and work hard. Keep everything totally unemotional and even robotic after you’ve proved yourself. Never break or snap but plant a seed that you aren’t content without saying it after directly mentioning you “require” a raise. Throw the ball into your bosses lap and move on. You have to be proactive and if the person isn’t going to accommodate you, keep outperforming people and make advancement happen. Never settle or allow the boss to think they are actually anything. Works every time for me.
This is awesome advice. Thank you very much! 👍
Schools and universities should offer negotiation classes and the comprehensive psychology that drives it. Everyone is different and the territory between agreeableness/disagreeableness is very nuanced from person to person and it's not a one-size-fits-all formula. Students/people may lack self knowledge and don't practice negotiation on an individual level. It's similar to learning an instrument but with the skills of debate. Trial and error is ok when you're learning but dangerous to attempt when your trying to survive in the real world.
@John Singer it’s not like if you get fired from a good job you are going to die. Worse case scenario you are in a bad spot for a little there is a lot colleges should be doing that they are not doing. For instance getting someone six figures in debt for a career that doesn’t pay better than a HS diploma shouldn’t be legal. Especially in the manner they do it ie lying etc
The very notion that one has to negotiate for a salary is insane. One should be paid what your position is worth, not based on your ability to bullshit your way to more money.
@@mbogucki1 That's how the rich get rich though. Exploiting workers. At least in Unions there is an attempt for pay to keep up with inflation, productivity, etc.
@@jameswhite3415 Unions are there for their own leaders. And I'm from the country with most Unions in the universe.
@@mikerodrigues9822 It's more like the company and union leaders come first and union employees come second, although we will pay them enough to have a good standard of living forever. Without unions, it's the company come first and employees will be paid the least we can pay them.
I leave this under every video I watched, it helps the algorithm.
Wow, this is what I needed to hear. Time for change.
This not only applies to your job, but also to other business stuff! That's how I've been getting discounts everytime on my 2-year-phone plan. Seeing Jordan preach the same thing makes me happy! Now other interested people will profit too from this ^^
Every single word of this hits so true. I would like to hear what dr. Peterson would advise to my personal situation because I feel that there are outliers that allow me to make excuses.
I wanna be in his class:(
why
Here is how you do it..
You do a good job
You apply for another job with a higher salary
You tell your boss that they offered you more money to switch companies
If they want to keep you, they will match it, if not well at least you know your value to them.. better start fresh in a new environment..
Yeah then your boss says go to the other company. And if you keep doing that enough times your resume will stop you from getting jobs. No body wants an employee that's worked at places an average of less than half a year... On paper it seems like the best and easiest way to get more money but you're just avoiding proper responsibility and eventually it will catch up with you.
@@wesley-skyehayes26 Thats why you round the numbers and lie.. Ive been doing it my whole career in engineering.
I round 15 months to 2 years, If I need to explain time , I just write " self employed" or "consulting"... or that I worked with a friend of mine who owns a company abroad..
There are various ways around it, trust me... If you know how to do your job and have charisma during an interview.. its easy to get jobs..
Only a small minority of employers actually bother checking, if they do check, they usually only check the last one...
@@wesley-skyehayes26 also, who said switch your job every half a year? you can work for a year or two in a company
i will use this later
this is no way to negotiate,
Been at my job a year and a half. Had 4 raises In that time frame.
#1 after my 90 day evaluation period
#2 hey I’ll take on this task for more money
#3 just killing it
#4 hey I’ll take on more work for more money
Moral of the story, easy way to get a raise, show your worth through hard work and willingness to take on more.
What is your job if you don't mind?
Ej Carannante Fedex driver
Bravo michael. So many people have an attitude that they will not take on more work unless they first have more money.
If a persons enters work with this attitude, the boss will kept looking for their in-aptitude and fire them when they can no longer keep up to the task.
You know those people that the company keeps sending to training and keeps advancing. (They first showed that they wanted the work.)
@@secheltfishmarket6419 Depends on the position. Plenty of people put in the effort and do not get rewarded. Nothing wrong with sticking to your guns to get paid what your worth. A person just needs to be realistic about their worth.
@@rufuspub exactly. I am paid less than colleagues though I go beyond my basic responsibilities while my colleagues complain about having to actually do something that requires effort.
I told my boss what I am worth and if my pay does not reflect that, I will gladly drop all of the projects I am currently working on and become a regular worker like everyone else. He didn't know what to say
I needed this... thank you.
This man is such a genius at knowing everything... so helpful and so true
I love Dr Peterson. I needed to hear that 😊
Great speech! Thanks!
Best thumbnail ever
on his Patreon youll find a video called "how to effectively refuse a plea for a pay raise" just to cover both sides
"Give me money to find out how to refuse giving people money"
Wait is there really?
@@boooster101 I'm confused about your comment. I'm about to ask for it can u please explain
@@YouCanDoX it's because you have to pay to access the content on his Patreon account
@@DanielEmenike he doesn't have a patreon account anymore. And also the content on his patreon account was accessibile without any donation, and there were no paywall for other content.
Being high in negative emotion and very agreeable can really suck sometimes.. This was very helpful :)
Very well put together 👌
Its quite interesting, on the other hand in my company they have premade windows how much they are allowed and when they can give you a payraise. However does not matter your skill or how long you work for the company they prefer to let you go and hire someone new eventhough it means they loose money in the overall.
i rent from my boss. on an etransfer, i added a note for the first time: "I used to think of my discount apartment as a kind of raise but after this past week, i'm not so sure." my bf was extremely skeptical -- that's not how you ask for a raise! and i got a dollar raise without my boss ever saying a word to me. lol. i was saying, "listen, i know my audience." we're both passive and awkward so i just made it way easier on us both lol with an indirect approach and humour
Powerful advises
Thank you Jordan
This should be taught in every highschool and college over the country. Not just some textbook knowledge only useful for standardized tests. These things should be part of the school curriculum. What every young people needs.
True. But, you have to build yout own worth. If you are not a competent employee, but you think you deserve more. That would be an illusion.
It’s not always the need to be liked it’s simply the morals of wanting to be fair rather than push everything and there’s nothing wrong with avoiding conflict however in the business environment that’s what you have to do because that’s what everyone is doing so then you can feel more at peace if you have morals that hold you back from pushing your self interests
Excellent stuff. I think it precipitates being conflict avoidant when you an agreeable person by nature. I mean if you're an agreeable person you're naturally not going to be confrontational.
you don't get paid for how hard you work, you get paid for how hard it is to replace you.
supply and demand.
This is so so true
I don't remember who but a CEO of a huge company said a tactic to also use when asking for a raise (if salary) is to ask for a weird number. If you make 68k for instance, and ask for 74k, they'll drop that to 70k in an instant, whereas let's say you instead ask for $74,437, for whatever reason dropping that down to 70k seems like too much, so they may drop it down 74k due to that. maybe 73 if reaching, but in the majority of cases they won't drop it down to 70k.
That hurt my brain to read thank you
Won't they ask where the curious ,437 comes from?
@@canererbay8842, generally no. You're asking for what you want. They may ask why you think you deserve the raise, but they don't generally question the amount you ask for, just rebuttal it with another offer.
I wish we had one more professor like Jordan Peterson in our education system in Canada..
I moved up in my company from a medical assistant to a registered nurse. The plan was to train me but my boss refused giving me a raise. On the day before I was to start training I emailed her with the pay range for RN’s in my area and asked
For a raise. I got it. I had been told many times by my boss and hers that I was an asset to the company and a great employee but they were unwilling to show it with pay. I showed them that a fair wage was expected and I would have undoubtedly quit if it hadn’t been granted.
Thanks.
I used these tips today, as well as tips from Chris Voss. Negotiated 10% higher than the offer, and I’ll tell you it was like pulling teeth. If they tell you it’s the max they’ll offer, don’t even acknowledge it, give more reasons of why you deserve more. If they keep coming back with the same amount, tell them you’ll think on it, and reiterate that it’s too low. I went back and forth 4 times before they finally bumped it to an acceptable amount (but still not what I asked)
It would be fantastic if you can set subtitles, thank you
Amazing
I agree with this guy
That thumbnail lul
Truer words have never been spoken. My fiancee has been stressing over her job with Insurance sales and refuses to confront her boss over pay and her tasks as she hates sales and this is literally as if he knew who she was point by point.
This advice is pure gold. Listen up young men.
The key to making decent money is to work for a decent employer to start with. If you work for an employer that's unwilling to pay a decent wage don't beat your head against the wall explaining why you deserve a raise. Use that energy to look for a different job. Im tellin you. Inless you have no other option get out of there as soon as possible.
Describing a problem is a good first step. Finding a solution to a problem properly identified is the tricky part. The truth about pay raises is that we are all competing for scarce resources. Best way to get a raise in pay is to go make more money. If you bring in $10 million dollars to a company that only earns $2 million dollars you have a really good chance of getting a nice raise.
I would like to know JP´s view about "the wiser head gives in"
Most of the big organizations have a que system for the promotion ! Does not matter how much you write in yearly personal review, a good employee and an average/bad employee gets same raise averagely!
This is one of the prime reason good employees leaves the companies for other companies!
I've had 6 managers in 15 years after college (corporate environment):
3 of them made uninformed decisions and biased judgements, as well as showed little interest in hearing the details of the effort made that would otherwise prove and justify a merit increase.
1 actually listened and provided feedback---but ultimately only focused on their own progression.
1 was somewhere in the middle.
Regardless, with each new manager, it seemed like starting all over again in terms of proving yourself. Because most of them weren't really listening nor cared, it truly was starting over. Despite their level of consideration and concern for their employees (well, at least for me and what I could perceive over time around me), somehow every manager was still promoted to the next level of management within the standard 2-3 year timeframe. Any additional time and effort made by a good manager was not met with additional reward. I've found this to be the norm, not the rare exception. It is a terrible reality that feels impossible to change without a top-down approach from the very top, and it isn't magically incentivised from anywhere in the middle. It certainly isn't incentivised organically via bottom-up through human integrity and good concience.
Upper management dolts, identify better employees for the development and management tracks. Yes I said it. You're a bunch of dolts, who might actually benefit your companies through regular doses of undercover bossing, and an accompanying spine, to obtain actual truth, rather than making decisions based on the bullshit you're fed by your direct reports, who you've ignorantly incentivised and groomed to become good at spinning failures as victores in your progress update sessions. Well, I suppose you weren't an originating founder and see retirement approaching before long, so who gives a damn, right?
Thumb up for this perfect thumbnail
powerfully and resolutely. NEVER accept a counter offer. Many employers will wait and then let the employee go. Employers have fragile self images and want to show others how much control they have. You take an offer, accept, and give your notice. Your current employer says No, no, no... here is another $20,000/year and an extra week of vacation (too good to be true) because they know in three to six months they are going to sack you. People do not leave companies they leave managers. Ask yourself if you like your employer but not your boss. Transfer to another department - that will one day look good to another company. If it really is your boss AND your company, move on.
So you ask for a raise but if they give you a better raise you refuse because theyll fire you? What?
Sadly, the only way I could get a raise where I currently work is by bringing an offer on the table. Only then , they will start knowing your value. Plus, my boss is weak and a lunatic. I just wanted to leave that last part there😂
The thumbnail is absolutely brilliant.
I got it by simply saying to my self enough is enough and prepared to leave if i was refused a pay raise. I took into account what i do for the company and the companies margins and if they cant afford a small $2 raise only $80 more a week than i wouldn’t have a future there anyways because if $80 is going to kill them they arnt doing so well. Also it was way over due.
Does this depend on whether you are asking a male or female for a raise?
Where can I find the full talk?
right on the money
no, peterson, the way to do it is to scream patriachy to everyone
GIMME MOAR MONEY!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I've been on the same exact salary for 2 years with no cost of living or annual increase. They force us to sign Annexures to our contracts which have us sign up for longer hours & more responsibilities but no increase in pay. I only have 5 days of leave a year with the other 16 days being automatically deducted for the December holidays. We are also expected to work weekends and be ready for work 7 days a week (meaning, we aren't allowed to have any alcohol or drugs in case they call us for last-minute plans for events/shows). No pay on weekends. They said they cannot afford to give us raises yet they've created 6 new job openings for graphics designers, a Producer and a few interns. My supervisor has fought for a raise and the only thing they could give me was Fuel claim at a rate of 3.61. So now I just drive a lot more during each month (outside the radius of 25km) just to claim fuel money (you always get a few extra cash with each claim) just to use that as an increase.
Doesn't sound like a fair deal! What is their response when you ask for more money? Have you considered other work? You may find this guide helpful - ruclips.net/video/UD-kIopsUGI/видео.html
Ya'll are stupid for staying. Dont ever agree to shit like this.
tfw you work in a country where u cant get fired a 6 month trial. this is just awesome, thanks a lot jp!
This would be useful to get bonuses as well.
He right I was unhappy what I was being pay so I told them to give me pay-rise or I will move on and at pay review I got the biggest pay rise in 5 years. He right you need to plan and be willing to move on if you dont what you need. No cares if your unpaid only care if going to lose your skillset.
i like this guy's rants
Putting in my 2 weeks, has gotten me a raise almost everytime.
Jordan Peterson for president!
wow, thanks! I should have seen it years ago!
this man has thought me more than school & college combined
This pops up as I'm about to ask for a raise. Thank you
Every day im late at work by 15 to 20 mnts been working here for a little over 10 years my boss and i sometimes agree on how to get production done and some times we dont. Every other month or week i miss a day or 2 out a week BUT HE STILL PAYS ME MY FULL CHECK. i am a WELDER bt i also HELP them with SWAGEING HIGH PRESSURE HOSES I ALSO STENCIL PARTS WHEN ITS NEEDED I HELP WITH SHIPPING AND RECIVING ALSO LOAD AND UNLOAD DELIVERY TRUCKS I RUN 3 AUTOMATIC WELDING MACHINES WHEN THERE IS NO MIG FLUX OR STICK WELDING. I can say i earned my stripes at my job i get payed ok BUT I NEED A RAISE!!!!
so in corporate terms build a business case with the requirements and wait for the outcome
Here's how I did it. I'm putting in my 2 weeks notice. I found an opportunity I have to take. I make this much, the new opportunity pays this much plus a sign on bonus. Took them 2 weeks to offer to match. Due to circumstances, it's best and more responsible to stay where I'm at. But I regret not leaving when I had the chance. It was a 25% raise. And I kill it with overtime pay.
@James Hunt I regret staying where I am because it's a toxic environment to be in. We were a family owned business. The family sold to a Venture Capitalist firm. They ran us hard into the ground for 4 years. Then after tripling our value, they sold us to an even bigger VC firm. Then after the last 2 years of being run into the ground even more, they merged us with another company they owned.
The merger happened 2 months after I decided to stay. I stayed because they matched the offer that I got from the other company. I have 3 weeks vacation. It's a 15 minute commute to work. And I work in the industrial waste disposal industry. Which is pretty safe in terms of recession, depression or manufactured crisis, like Covid. I'm not sure, but I don't think many knew the merger was happening. Except the CEO. Who was more of a traditional do nohing but send what he perceives as inspirational emails and fleece the company for money and take all the credit CEO's. Because he left the day of the merger. The COO, left 2 months after the merger. The hiring manager left 2 weeks ago. The CFO left last week.
Nothing really changed in the 6 years except the massive employee turnover and more work and the frequency and quality of raises. Although we have slowed down considerably, which could be a company policy/philosophy change, or it could be that since the CEO is gone, the of pushing sales to the breaking point of man, machine and the facilities is no longer the emphasis. Or we may be changing our pricing model to the reflect current market, as we've been at break even or low profit margins due to family owned handshake deals from when we were family owned. Or people are skeptical to work with us due to the merger and a new name. Or maybe the market has stabilized after the Rollercoaster ebb and flow of Normal, Covid, Rebound, Burnout.
But since the merger, new supervisor's are being brought in from outside or other holdings, instead of promoting from within. Changes to payroll and other things. It totally fits within the scope of Josh's corporate cringe videos.
So, I have a few plans to take care of, but look to get out by the end of 2021.
The company I was leaving for, is still hiring, at a slightly higher pay rate. It's in a pretty safe industry as well.
But I regret the decision to stay more and more every day, and I let everyone around me know it. Lol. Because I'm kind of hard to replace. I am replaceable, but it would be hard for them. Easier to keep me and pay more and put up with my horrible attitude, as I show up every day and do everything asked, stay late etc. It's all over time pay, so I'm compensated pretty well.
So I get away with saying things like:
That's extra, and my policy is that I don't do extra.
I'm not here to work, I'm here to get paid.
Everyday I'm here is the worst day of my life.
I'm not here to sweat or get wet
This place is a destitutional shit hole of doom from which there is no escape.
Etc.
Good times.
This video's thumbnail is HILARIOUS, hahaha.
There should be a system that if anyone is working hard, his pay should automatically be raised without asking
Completely agree - this should be the job of managers to recognise. But sometimes it's not all about hard work - more about the value you are adding, so working more smart than hard.
I started being more disagreeable lately and goddammit i feel so much better because i no longer care if people like me or not (to an extent of course)
Where would I find the rest of this lecture? It was just getting juicy
I believe all his lectures are still on his own channel :)
@@Ferdy1337 Thanks Ferdizzle!
Best way:
1. Get a better offer from another company.
2. Request a meeting with your boss, ask for the raise, present the offer received.
3. They either agree to your request and you get the pay raise or you leave for the other company and get the pay raise.
But what should I do if I hit already 30 and have nothing bad failed positions in my CV? Dropped out of college twice, being fired three times, being unemployed for three years