The Surprisingly Simple Way to Form Byzantium - Hoi4
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- Today in Greece it's time for the Byzantine Empire to be resurrected, following an unsuccessful attempt to revive the Megali Idea the nation will be sent down a different path towards glory.
Along the way we will be forming Byzantium in the simpliest, easiest way that I know how, we will trick our enemies, make them go into unfavourable battles and we will make alliances so powerful the Double Headed Eagle will stand strong victorious against all who oppose them.
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Hearts of Iron IV:
21/07/23. 
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I still remember when forming Byzantium required the player to take all of the Balkans with strats like forming a faction with Italy to avoid their guarantees on Albania, I don't miss those days. What we have now with Greece's tree and all is still much more fun and replayable regardless of Byz's requirements being simplified a tad.
That era was the worst. RNG all the way through, constantly dodging allied guarantees of every Balkan country in between and having a very small timeframe to get Romania before they join the axis. Still better than Persia though cause at least the cores are actually valuable
Try forming the Macedonian Empire next
That was before the introduction of the DLCs. I think since the Balkans DLC released its just this "easy". ;)
@@kleinerprinz99 you dont even know man. back then the requirements were to take all of Turkey, Yugoslavia, Albania, Bulgaria, and southern Romania. Without a focus tree, flipping ideology took a very long time and you had to justify on every country individually. This was how I learned that you can make the allies *less* likely to guarantee a country if you improve relations with them. Not "won't guarantee", just less likely. Forming byz is a joke nowadays by comparison
This worked great for me. I got lucky however because Turkey and Romania formed a faction together and turkey became a major. Right before Turkey capitulated Yugoslavia joined the war and I got all 3 of them in the peace conference.
Greece really is similar to Hungary in that there is only one path anyone ever takes even if as a whole the focus tree is a lot better
same as turkey ottomans are only path
True, other similar thing is that they have a not so bad, but not so great path (Democratic Greece and Fascist/Fascist king Hungary) and a garbage communist path.
Edit: not garbage, just the second worst tree.
Hungry?
@@pidgear267Communist Greece path is not garbage, you can get Yugoslavia and Bulgaria for free, plus you can form Greater Greece. My only problem with it is it's size. It could be bigger.
@@pidgear267 commie greece is actually rly good
Thanks again. I think your guide is the shortest video out there now. Cheers. Yeah I think some people forgot to arrest the King or tried the right side of the tree and then locked themselves out of doing Byzantine Empire. Of course it's infinitively difficult when youre locked out of the Focus Tree / Decision. Because the way you showed it is pretty much standard for ages now. :)
Now that's an interesting approach... Thanks for the vid ^^ I've already done the Greek achievements (grinding that damn Siberian Tiger now), but it never hurts to learn more about the game
If you havent gotten the achievement yet. Use ISP's guide (I believe). But it has some flaws. It is really hard to get enough warscore to make sinkiang a useful manpower puppet. So what I do instead, is puppet Sinkiang in states on Xibei San Mas border. And then spam 2 widths with your own, and sinkiangs manpower. Then rush Xibei San Mas victory points with literal 1% strength divs😂 (remember to only call in sinkiang puppet), then follow the rest of ISP's guide.
@@mtollund Thanks for reaching out! In fact, I've already got the Tiger thanks to Hatless Spider's guide; he uses exiled governments in a way that makes Tannu Tuva a powerhouse without relying on a single puppet. Still, your input is appreciated!
Name a more iconic duo than Greece and debt default.
turkey 🦃and gay 🏳🌈
England and stealing shit from other countries
Why is yt algorithm pushing this down so hard, I remember having seen this vid in my sub tab and now that I wanted to actaully watch it took so long to find that I just went on your channel to find the vid
Forcing the workers into the factories is actually really good. I think you can get like 12 factories. It does take a bit longer tho.
If you go ahistorical and Yugoslavia devolves you can get even more.
@@azh698 autodestructs*
Don't forget some OP companies you can get
@@azh698that’s just way too lucky
But you cant get mills from it
This channel is so underrated.
I do enjoy your shares.
Cheers from Canada.
I've done this twice and turkey just isn't naval invading
Same tho😢
any solution?
nah i gave up ages ago
@@globalamogis8237
insteaf of saying "same" JUST SAY A SOLUTION
@@globalamogis8237 try again ig
Great video, thank you!
How the hell do you find like every single interesting game strategy in hoi4 while most of the biggest youtubers do the same thing over and over again slightly adjusted?
You deserve more subs, man.
Commenting here since i felt bad not commenting after commenting on the other Byzantium videos.
I can't get over how well you pronounced the city names, we'll done !
Good guide. One little edit. If you make the faction with bulgaria and let them join. You can purposely not help bulgaria. As romania kills bulgaria kick them from the faction and they will cap. So when you beat romania you get bulgaria too.
Bubble, forcing farmers into factories leads to the bedrock of financial stability, which is way better than opening foreign subsidized factories, read both of them and you will see
How did you get enough equipment to kit out 24 divisions by 1937? Did that come only from the foreign factories?
Abuse lend lease stalin goes insane and gives you guns the allies hardly give you weapons
I forced deployed at 20% on max priority
Thanks for this. It works really well but i did have a problem with crossing the straight
15:30 OMG Finally someone who know this exploit
wouldn't the strat of retreating to Thessaloniki and naval invading behind their lines still be effective to encircle them?
I suppose, but then again Turkey's naval invasion happens fairly consistently so I didn't bother looking into it.
AI loves convoy raiding. You’ll more of your limited manpower by convoy raiding than by actual combat. Best to stick just land warfare.
Been doing an ironman greece run for achievements, and I swear I was so concerned with trying to finesse the Macedonian pocket, it just wasn't working because the Turks would not occupy chalkidi, so when I could never really get good encirclements and the war dragged on until italy invaded me. I think this strat is much better, and will be trying it on my next run.
I've had Romania join in on port cheese as well, clearned out most of their army, as well as Turkey's just as you did, not sure why they didn't send troops this time, military access maybe? Who knows
Ai doesn't give military access to other ai
I just got the achievement and the guide works. What helped me was to research the infantry/artillery weapons and industrial technology fast and put 4 artillery in every unit by this way Turk troops got annihilated. I even lost Venizelos too quick but that didnt stop me down.
I use the same strategy, I wish it wouldnt take so long, theres no time to prepare for ww2
This works for forming Hellas too, even with forcing the farmers into factories, just improve relations with the balkans instead of majors, especially czechoslovakia, austria and turkey and pay off at least a third of your debt before getting down to bedrock of balkan financial security, you can get 12 off map civs if you do it right as democratic greece, you might be able to reform byzantium if you can get the allies not to join without causing the convention to fail.
bittersteel quickly became bittersteal
Bro when i try and make the same infantry template it doesn't give me the option or artillery. Wth is up with that???
instead of invading athens the AI invaded a random tile next to kalamata, I beat them there but they never came back. To add insult to injury, the AI could not be pushed in alexdropolis and when I tried to retreat the AI was just stupid strong. Where did I go wrong?
Same thing happened to me
its bullshit rng
Same for me. I left Athens wide open and they poured all their units into a random port on the west.
Is it still possible to do the trick which you can become democratic Byzantium or was that patched?
Should still work, haven't checked.
@@BubblesZest I have checked, stills works
thank you bubbles, just did this and Bad Romeance, your video is 10x better than bittersteels and isorrows!
I'm new to this game so can anyone please explain to me how did he get from 11 factories at the begining and then I see after 7 days he has 15.
Dont know if it helps you now, but i think some nations traded ressources with him and he gained civs from them
The war with Turkey is the worst thing imaginable. Every time I've tried this guide they instantly naval invade Kalamata and Corfu instead of Athens, and I am left at an impass for the fact that I can't field enough units out to defend those ports. I also cannot push towards Constantinople for they have around 23 divisions at the border , and I can't even take 1 tile towards them. The AI most likely uses 14/5 or whatever and I am in no shape to fight these units with my weakened 9/1's, what the hell am I doing wrong?
Video just came out an hour ago bruh, if you want to force Turkey into certain ports defend the ones you don't want 'em taking (e.g for Corfu use Strike in it's seazone to prevent them getting supremacy) and push the units immeditately after landing or they will entrench.
You honestly should have enough units to defend the border and the ports, fortify Alexandropolis if you must. Otherwise, idk.
@@BubblesZest I'm not saying the guide is bad, it's that I am confounded by the fact that the AI chooses the other ports compared to the ones I had in mind...
@@daszil9229 the AI can choose to target really any port at the start of the war (worst case scenario would be Heraklion on Crete), but you can use your navy to prevent them from invading ones you don't like. It doesn't really matter where they land at first, once they occupy a single port the strat will work
Nice video. Can you do all the Australia achievements in one run?
Can you do an Ottoman Empire guide? All the debuffs for Turkey + dealing with the Kurds make it a headache.
I don't like using retreat trick but seems only way to form byzantium.
Tbh now with the new dlc where everyone can just buy guns its way harder. I played a war were i thaught i would win in time and then i realized that my enemy just kept on buying guns...... And the time is important too because i dont wait like 3 to 4 years until i do byzantinum...... I do it with the self naval invasions and the atacking from different directions until my enemy has no more divisions left.
In the future could you tell when your building things like a port beforehand?
How are you telling them to attack the port without them marching straight in and taking it back? I've ruined two games now by taking the port back on accident and the AI won't naval invade again after that
Press h to hold your divisons in place.
@@BubblesZest Thanks, do you have to just time it correctly for when the turkish division is destroyed? Or can you press H while they're fighting to stay in place once the fight is over?
@@nickmullenofficial6330delete the front line and use ctrl + right click to support attack (attack without moving your divisions), it shows the blue arrow instead of the red one.
Doesn't work, complete rng on the naval invasion in Athens. Pushing in Alexandropolis doesn't work either.
Skill issues are not faults of the guide.
I've tried this maybe 6 times now and still haven't been able to get it to work. The one time they actually landed in athens I accidentally retook it and they never naval invaded me again, all the other times they naval invade every single province except for athens and I just get my ass kicked sadly
why didn't you kill the cavarly on the islands next to chalics?
Am I the only person who can’t get any of these Byzantine guides to work? Awesome guides, easy to follow. But the Turks just don’t play ball and the Italians invade before I can get it done
Personally I invade Bulgaria. Spy on Turkey to see when they do "reconfigure Turkish balkan relations" that makes them lose Romania guarantee.
I start horror and fear when they start that focus, let them walk into Bulgaria and encircle them there.
very good guide and explaining, though it isnt new player friendly, would be awesome if you could also say when and what to research and produce and build. otherwise great guide!
Nice vid, ive formed bysantium before but ive always struggled to take romania, so this helps a lot. Question, what if instead of allying bulgaria you go through them, since they also become cores later on? Maybe if you justify and declare before annexing turkey and spiking tension, the allies won't guarantee them, and because of the AI being dumb, romania probably won't come help them either. This also has the benefit of catching the romanian army off guard after bulgaria caps, so the breakthrough against them should come easier. Either way, ill try this strat later, ty
The cheesy way is to call Bulgaria into the war, request their units then withdraw so that the RO caps them. Then kick BG out of your faction so that RO gets to annex them in a peace deal. Then you cap RO and get all the states.
@@apoivreYou can't kick someone out the faction while they are fighting alongside you in a war, have you played the game before
@@deusgr You are able to kick BG when they are capped by RO, but I am not sure why though exactly. It has certainly worked for me before.
@@deusgr The faction leader can absolutely kick someone out during a war. In my current run the UK keeps kicking me out and inviting me back. And you can just delete the faction if all other members have capitulated.
@@apoivre since when was that a thing
You can just control all turkish states without capitulation form byz then cap them so no world tension, also you can kick bulgaria so romania conquers them and you can conquer both
very nice indeed
They always accept the megali idea and I don’t know what to do
I don't have the option to make Nikolaos the army group leader
also at what point do you start paying up debts
Once you go to war you illegally default on them
Is it really necessary to house arrest the King, to form Byzantine Empire? Cause I didn't and I didn't realize you needed too. I did form the Hellenistic Empire because I wanted to form or reform the Greek Monarchy.
Did you do it as a fascist or an absolute monarch?
@@azh698 Well Neither, and both. So I fully non-aligned and the country leader isn't a Monarch, and I still have Greek King as a figure head.
Turkey wont naval invade for some reason at all. I had to retreat to Thessaloniki to be able to encircle them.
Hey does this guide still work?
Turkey always calls yugoslavia in war in every attempt
10/10 editing
Is that possible to make heraklion convention a success even with Italy in it?
Only is unhistorical
didnt work, turkey didnt naval invade, and they placed 7 divisions on each tile, so i wasnt able to push, later turkey, romania, and yugoslavia formed an alliance, and capitulated me
Hey does this still work?
I don’t get the option to put the king into house arrest :( help pls
You can do this right at the beginning of the game - until the first elections.
i tried to do this today and turkey formed the balkan entente and got yugoslavia in the war
pog pog, that happening allows for a triple cap.
Wouldn't be smarter to let Bulgaria be killed by Romania and kicking them out of faction so Romania annexes Bulgaria and you annex them both once you defeat Romania? Or it wouldn't work anymore?
Does not work that way. After the war Bulgaria will get its land back automatically when you win.
It still does and it's your best option. Especially when you later join the axis bulgaria will steal some of your land which the germans promise them.
@@kleinerprinz99 Why? If you kick them out, RO gets a peace deal and annexes them. Then there's no Bulgaria to get anything back
Is this up to date?
For me they joined the allies!!
Tried this recently and Turkey never naval invaded nor stormed towards Alexandoupolis
And now Romania joined the Allies :O
doesnt work romania send troops to the front line
I don't see why you would waste the pp on an artillery advisor. It doesn't buff artillery directly, it buffs your units based on their composition. So your 9/1 composition is 90% infantry, 10% artillery. Support companies don't affect the composition either. So you get the bonus scaled to 10%, aka your units get +1.5% attack and +1% defense. That is absolutely not worth 100 pp and 20 command point cap imo. At least the infantry advisor gives +9% attack and +13.5% defense.
Cause I had pp to spare so I splashed out.
Can you update it to arms against tyranny version
No need, tried it today and still works.
@@BubblesZest oi
@@BubblesZest ok*
Em mate, you could have let Bulgaria die, kick em, make faction with yugo, let em die, kick em, and you get everything
You can't kick people when they are in the war too, are you thick lmao
First run at trying this I got screwed by Turkey joining the Allies and got invaded by France lmao
I dont know how to prevent them from taking athens back, Ive ruined 4 playthroughs. Just gonna go onto another video.
Press h to hold units in place.
i ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddID that but they go into athens IMMEDIANTLY after killing off the divs and if I press H before that they dont kill turkish div@@BubblesZest
@@frosthiasSupport atttack by clicking Ctrl+Rightclick on the UNIT, not the tile. Also without an previous order.
STILL WORKS STOP ASKING
Yeah... I dunno if it's because of Arms Against Tyranny but this ain't happening chief.
After no less than 10 attempts, I have NEVER had Turkey do it's Naval invasions on Athens, even with ALL other ports garrisoned.
I'm sorry it didn't work out for you, however I tried it out today and it still works perfectly. Maybe you had your navy on strike force when you shouldn't or something, idk.
So with byzantium you basically have to invade tons of places making sure Italy doesn't gobble Albania and the British and French don't say ✋ you can't attack yugoslavia
I'm not sure how relevant this is but for me it's may in 1938 and the turks haven't invaded once which seems a little funny to me.
Just use 2 40 witdh motorized divs with tons of artillery and keep destroying turkeys divs and thats it
You have make to do thus 10 or more times bcz turkish dont send all there units
His commentary is way too slow bzt the tutorial is really helpful, so imma sub anyway.
This guide DOES NOT WORK. Turkey will invade athens then invade Kalamata, and while you are trying to take out Kalamta they take Athens and it is game over.
Which Mod is this ?
If you're talking about the focus tree, then it isn't any mod, but a DLC called Battle For The Bosporus
@@the_matrix_209 Tnx, I've figured it out.
not working anymore as of AAT
I tested it recently and it worked fine. Hoi4 works in mysterious ways.
maybe the gods of paradox hate me 😭😭cheers mate @@BubblesZest
what? byzantium not working any more? i did your old 5 achievement in one go guide to get almost all greece achievements and i had absolutely no problem
They just won't naval invade athens.
Turkey never naval invaded athens 😢
Simple:18 minutes
Go on, show us how you'd do it then. We're all listening.
I don’t think you realize that for hoi4 guides, that’s relatively short
@@BubblesZest zesty ass voice
I've tried this about five times. You're a liar, it doesn't work anymore. Turkey doesn't invade and because of that you can't break through. But yeah, keep this up to get your views!
ruclips.net/video/56Qnu9TtFCY/видео.html ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Turkey wont naval invade me lol
Same, also Elephtherios die all the time
@@pogomaisVenizelos is meant to die, he dies in 1936 irl
The Soviets wont justify on you Bubbles! idk why so many RUclipsrs get it wrong :( you get an event to give it up as if you were playing Romania, trust me :)
Wrong they do both and it's literally what happened in my practice. I took Bucovina by mistake, released Ukraine and kept Romania in Bessarabia but Soviets still justified and declared on me.
Actually managed to hold, then the soviets did the demand event which annexed both Romania and Ukraine which doomed that position.
@@BubblesZest I think it makes a difference whether you own the whole of Bessarabia or it is partitioned between you, Romania, and Ukraine.
They do though, just like how they justify on a Nordic Union Sweden if they own the Soviet claims. Just like with Romania, the demand still happens but gives a wargoal on Finland/Romania, and not the current owner, but Soviets still will justify manually.
They do they aren't like Germany who if you invade Czechoslovakia before they demand sudetenland they just ask to have it which what the Soviets should do ask the Greeks for bessarabia in exchange for like 100 political power or some guns
Can you make a HOI4 video for Pakistan?It would be very nice and appreciated if you did.😊
You mean modded HOI4?
Cause vanilla HOI4 doesn't have Pakistan
@@Mrclean71 Whatever is available,I would accept.Just want my country to at least get SOME recognition in the HOI4 community.
@@yasirnazirbutt8240Pakistan is a country in the game but they have a default focus tree and only spawn if India goes into civil war, is released or the UK releases Pakistan, Burma as puppets