How to Fit a modern Telecaster Bridge on ANY Telecaster
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- In this video the strings are going on. I have to overcome some serious Telecaster bridge problems though ...... with fishing gear ;) - and surprisingly it works great 😊 .
I'm building my version of the Andy Summers Telecaster and this is the video where the strings are going on for the first time.
I have to overcome some string through holes issues first though.
The pre-drilled string through holes didn’t fit the placement of the all brass modern Tele bridge I want to install. So I had to get creative :)
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Thanks man, you sacrificed a lot to save a lot of people from making a big mistake.
Thanks… and thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment 😃🙏🏻
I was about to replace my ashtray bridge with a modern bridge, but knew the measurements didn't look quite right. Glad I found this video first.
I’m so glad it was useful. I didn’t know this myself and couldn’t really find videos about it.
Thanks so much for watching and taking time to comment
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All you need to do is place the bridge over the holes and then use longer screws for the saddles so the intonation would still be correct. Much simpler solution overall. Cheers!
You are absolutely right and I actually thought about that but for some reason I chose this crazy solution. Can’t really remember why 🙄. Maybe because that wasn’t how Andy Summers original looked. No long screws. Should I do it again I think I going with your advice 😉👍
Anyway… thanks so much for the great input and for checking out the video. 😃🙏🏻
@@MichaelLagerstedt or you could have just used the Fender 6 saddle vintage replacement bridge....Fender makes it in chrome but Gotoh makes both gold and chrome.....
Would the cutout for the bridge pickup then be wrong?
@@howardmaryon yes
You have amazing ingenuity, I enjoy your videos very much! I too am building a Tele and am trying to fit a short bridge because I chiseled out for a bridge humbucker. Always trying to learn-thank you.
Thanks so much for a nice comment and thanks for watching 😃🙏🏻. Really appreciate it 👍😉
I wish I knew about this sooner. Such a great idea.
Thanks so much Zack, and thanks for watching and taking time to comment 😃🙏🏻
I'm in Mike. Glad I found your show. Thanks!
Thanks so much for watching 😉🙏🏻
Brilliant solution. I've swapped a few Tele Bridges and ended up drilling holes in the plates. Next time I'm going fishing too.
Thanks so much - Yes it works pretty good. It’s hard to get used strings through though. Works best with new straight strings 😉👍
Thanks so much for watching 👍😃
Brilliant solution!
Thanks so much Donald and thanks for watching 😃🙏🏻
Neat solution to the problem! Looking forward to seeing the finished product!
Thanks so much Jan… me too 😅
Thanks for watching 🙏🏻
Thanks for share your experience. Longer screws for modern saddles are simpler solution.
Juan, you are right but I didn’t really feel for that solution 😉👍. Had to do it the hard way 🙄.
Thanks so much for watching 🙏🏻😃
If I'm looking to swap from a vintage to a modern I just have to get longer screws?
I think I had the same issue when replacing my 3 saddle with a modern 6 saddle bridge. What I did in the end is use longer screws and I got it as it was supposed to be, the same string length . So I used the original mounting holes but the new Gotoh bridge is moved by some 10mm back and I countered that by using longer screws.
Hi Goran
Yes that is a great solution to the problem I think. A few others have suggested that as well. I went the long way 🙄.
Thanks for watching and taking time to comment 😃🙏🏻
I used dowels to plug only the top .,then redrill at an angle which worked perfect for me....👍
Great tip… well done
Thanks for sharing 😃🙏🏻
Nice fix 👏👏👏
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Thanks for saving me hassle!!!!
That’s what I’m here for 😉
Thanks for watching 😃🙏🏻
Thanks for making this Michael.
I'm not looking to change the bridge on my Harley Benton Tele, but I've been trying to find out why the bridge is just over 10cm long, but most Tele bridges I see are much shorter - 8.6cm, as in your example.
It's only relevant to me because at one point I was thinking about putting in a Bigsby, which would mean getting the shorter bridge. I won't be doing that now, because it will increase the string length, and I like the guitar nice and twangy!
I'd still be interested to know just why there are two bridge lengths. My personal theory is that the longer bridge gives more area to transmit string vibrations to the body. That's why I want to keep it. But if my theory was true, ALL Teles would have the longer bridge, so there must be another reason.
Thanks again for this interesting video!
Thanks so much for watching Zachariah. I would love to know more about the history/development of the tele bridge as well. Part of the fun of building guitars is to try stuff out though and find crazy solutions. 👍😃
I have a modern bridge laying around, installed on my thinline is a "classic" bridge. Problem for me is not the string through holes, it is as you mentioned in the video, the modern bridge sits further back. The saddles on the modern bridge is around 8-10mm further back. I would need M3x40mm philips screws and matching springs to make it work.
Hey Hussam, you are right, that’s a possible solution. Other comments have pointed to that but there was also a comment arguing that the longer screws isn’t a good idea. Check out the other comments on that. I’m not sure 🤔
Thanks so much for watching 👍🙏🏻😃
I think on the modern bridge the actual difference is the pickup placement. It is placed more towards the middle, wich results in a warmer, fuller sound.
For the modern individual saddles the string thru holes have to be placed more towards the neck because how the little saddles are constructed. Not enough room under them. Over the cylindrical two-strings-per-saddle, there is more space towards the back for the holes.
So, you did the correct thing to take the scale length as the main reference. Longer Intonation screws would result in a double bend of the strings on the individual saddles. Also the sound effect of the bridge pickup placed more towards the middle would have been deleted.
On my kit build tele (heavy modified), there were no holes for string thru, and I wanted a PRS type bridge (I didn‘t liked the big metal plate). Because I think a 90 degree angle on carbon steel made strings is not a good thing, I decided to drill the holes at a 60 degree angle from the top meeting holes drilled perpendicular from the back. Had the same problem with the restringing, but I use a piece of an old A string with a hook bend at the end to pull the new strings thru from the top. Works fine.
Cheers! I like your builds! Keep going! Grüße aus Deutschland!
Hi, Great comment. You point out some interesting things.
Hope others read this.
Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment 😃🙏🏻
You can buy Teflon tubing for electrical insulation in a number of sizes. It is hard to kink it and it would benefit from its slippery surface.
Hi Leif - thanks so much for the tip 😃👍
Michael Lagerstedt...Drilling from the new string thru hole location, at the proper angle, to the string ferrule on the back of the body would have been the right way to do it...Using hot glue and plastic tubes is such a reckneck way of doing it...not to mention that the string tension will cut into the tubes over time...causing a whole new set of issues...
🤣… what a great komment … you are right … what a redneck move 😂… I love it.
Hey thanks so much for watching man… and for a fine comment 🙏🏻😃
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I’ll be sure to tell my wife 😉👍. It’s all her.
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Great fix
Thanks John 😅👍
Great stuff, and creative solution. This stuff sucks but you learn a lot about guitars and how sometimes the devil is in the details!
Thanks a lot… and thanks so much for watching and for your comment 🙏🏻😃
I encountered the same problem. Take a thicker drill bit and drill holes from the top just deep and wide enough to create a connection. Nobody sees the holes on the top.
That’s a great solution… thanks for sharing that 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼😃
and thanks so much for watching 😉🙏🏻
I find the more disturbing thing (Besides the fact that someone thought that is was ok to just move the string through holes and still associate the bridge with a tele) is that the placement of the pickup is different by a LOT with respect to the scale length which should make an enormous difference in the sound of the pickup. This reminds me of the wide variety in les paul JR dogear pickup placement with reference to the bridge.
Hi Leif, Yes you are right it affects the placement of the bridge pickup. I had to enlarge the cavity to make it work.
I would really love to see somebody make the history of the tele bridge video.
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I think that 5-10mm does not affect the tone too much. If it were 20-30mm yes, but 5-10, think not.
@@lorencing It's all relative, that difference can add up to quite a bit of extra string tension for certain people. Tighter string angle, tighter sound. For the pickup it's not that much, but still depending on the person it can matter.
@@roderickbalt8993 true, it is all relative and it all depends on what sound you are going for. I prefer unique or different rather than going for the sounds I've heard many times. Still, a good question, why is the Gotoh bridge placement that different?
@@lorencing I'm not sure it's because of Gotoh but Fender as far as I know changed the string hole placement when going to 6 saddle bridges. So now you have vintage and modern string through holes. Why? Who knows presumably this just worked better for fender to place the holes further. A lot of variances like this exist that to certain people really make a difference. We as guitar players tend to not pay attention to what goes on after the bridge and nut😄.
What bridge is that? It looks very nice.
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Thanks for watching Tommie 😉🙏🏻
What if I’m using the baritone telecaster? Is it really the biggest deal ever if my already longer scale length is a little longer?
Hi Kent, I don’t have experience with baritone guitars and haven’t researched it but when it comes to scale length it has to be pretty precise.
The length of a string has to correspond exactly with the placement of the frets on the fretboard so a few millimetres too long or too short makes the instrument impossible to tune so it’s in tune all over the fretboard.
Thanks so much for watching and good luck with your project 😉👍
Err basic check, thats why they have technical drawings with the bridge info.
Right you are Jon.😉
Thanks for watching 😃🙏🏻
Exactly.
very good.... but in the situation like ttha you can just use a toploader bridge...
Hi Alan. You are right but in my case I wanted to get as close as possible to the Andy Summers Tele so I decided on this crazy solution 🙄
Hey thanks so much for watching 🙏🏻😃
@@MichaelLagerstedt yes, agree, your work is inelegant and precise, I have great respect for such decisions. thank you for the video!
Interesting build. Very sloppy workmanship, though. I refinish drums and guitars and this would not be acceptable for a customer. Glad you salvaged it and I admire your enthusiasm (I love Andy's playing!), but why do strings without the electronics?
Hey thanks for watching and taking time to comment 🙏🏻😃
Just FYI, you could have saved a bunch of time by just using the Gotoh GTC 202 bridge. It's designed to retrofit a vintage-style bridge and has six saddles. It's not as cheap as some Tele bridges ($105 in the US), but it would have saved hours of time.
Hey, thanks for a great comment. It’s really helpful. When I went for the brass bridge I didn’t know that the string through holes wouldn’t fit.
Thanks so much for watching 😃🙏🏻
I'm looking forward to buy GTC 201 - I see those have the same dimensions, although 202 is steel and 201 is brass, should I get 202 or 201? I'd like to replace my vintage one
Thank you Sir!!!
Thanks for watching 😉🙏🏻
what is the measurement from the nut to the bridge suppose to be?
That’s what you call the scale length and on a tele and strat it’s 25,5 inches from the nut to the point where the string leaves the saddle of the bridge.
But each string length needs to be fine tuned. Mostly they need to be longer.
Hope that helps.
I explain it also in some of my videos
Thanks so much for watching 😃🙏🏻
I think you just need longer screws for the abm, I think the gotoh would work, and the wilkinson you showed is the wrong kind, but they do make one that works.
Hi Dennis, thank you for the good input and for watching 😃🙏🏻👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
what pickup did you use on the bridge?
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The bridge pu from this set.
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Can i switch from a top loader with the 3 barrel saddles to a 6 roller saddle top loader with the same dimensions
I think it’s hard to answer. There are no rules to how different brands construct their products. Just make sure that the distance from the nut to the saddles is 648 mm when the saddles are in about the middle position.
Thanks for watching 😃🙏🏻
It can be tricky going the other way too, from factory modern to OG. And, AND dont get me started on the Squier bridge, ugh!
Yes, it’s definitely not one fits all - but off course if you build the body from scratch you don’t have that problem
Thanks so much for watching and commenting 😃🙏🏻
where can I find the grommet Eyelets that you put on the other side of the wholes?
Hi Guthrie, I think you are maybe referring to the string ferrules. You can just Google that and find the type you like. I got mine from GuitarAnatomy.com
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What is that tuner? Just lays on the guitar, battery powered? Handy! I have an old Peterson strobe, works fine but always looking & curious! Thanks!
Oh .. the tuner is just my iPhone laying flat on the guitar and the app is PanoTuner.
Works fine and it’s free 😉👍
I saw Chris from High-line Guitars do it like this so if it works for him it will work for me too
@@MichaelLagerstedt 🤣🤣
Do they make modern bridges that line up with the vintage holes? If so which company?
To be honest I’m not sure. Sorry. But a few viewers suggested just to get longer saddle screws for a much easier solution 😉
By the way thanks so much for watching 😃🙏🏻
You could’ve just use tubing and flanged the end with a bit of heat and a screwdriver? Heat tubing. Insert screwdriver in tip, then hit with cold water.
Great input Jackie. I didn’t think of that.
Thanks so much for watching 🙏🏻😃
wouldn't it be simpler to just drill a set of holes through the new bridge using the old one as a template?
Interesting suggestion… 🤔
I guess that could work… but you would still need to route the cavity for the bridge pickup for it to fit
Thanks so much for watching 😃🙏🏻
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Hej Lucas, købt hos Genbyg.dk 😉👍.
I always played my top loaded Tele, then I got a string through, and I didn't like it at all, the strings feel all tight and I find it doesn't do anything for the sustain, string thru adds so much unnecessary downwards pull, at such an angle,that it made the strings feel unbendable, I like my teles to have a slinky feel to them, and I'm not a fan of string thru, they are a pain in the arse to string up, especially if you are using your old set of strings, getting the strings thru the ferrule, without these tubes is a fight, great invention but I would have just went with a top loader myself.
Thanks for great input. I have never thought about it that way. It would definitely be a much more simple solution.
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drill 6 new holes on bridge plate would be much easier
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You could have just drilled holes in the back of the ashtray to accept the modern saddles, instead of destroying your guitar.........
Thanks for the input for watching 👍
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Why?
Do you actually have a real issue with a vintage bridge?
Or do not know how to intonate one?
Or is it that you just believe by faith alone “modern” is better somehow?
Rare is the tele that will not intonate with a vintage ashtray bridge.
No … I was building a Andy Summers Tele and trying to get as close as I could to his tele. Well it has an all brass moden bridge so that was what I was going for. The vintage bridge is great but AS had that changed so I went for that.
Hey thanks for watching 😉🙏🏻
why cant they just put ashtrays on all teles we dont want strat style bridges!
Hi Mat. Seems some people want to have it all 😂
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Measure twice, cut (or drill) once...🤢
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I don’t like the modern Tele bridges at all.
Hey , thanks for watching Lars 😃🙏🏻
@@MichaelLagerstedt I mean there’s a reason why they are using the modern bridges for decades now. So they work well and many people prefer them. Personally I think that I like the vintage oriented stuff more. Like the Vinteras for instance. Thank you for your video. 👍🏻
Never trust a bridge!
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