Reading the Bible as an Orthodox Christian - Dr Jeannie Constantinou
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- This lecture is called: Reading the Bible as an Orthodox Christian. In it Dr Jeannie Constantinou reviews how Orthodox interpret the scriptures (hermeneutics); whether we interpret literally; how we are to understand the voice and perspective of the Psalms; and how we approach the bible as Orthodox rather than evangelicals!
Dr and Presbytera Jeannie Constantinou is a biblical scholar and professor at the University of San Diego and hosts a program on Ancient Faith Radio, “Search the Scriptures”
I was an evangelical for 37 years and studied the Bible in the Greek and Hebrew text. I learned a lot on my own and mostly just disagreed with people in the modern church and I finally stopped going to church all together. I know my experience was not the same for everyone but after many years of study I finally came to the conclusion that there will be more people in Gods kingdom that were illiterate than there will be Bible scholars. Im orthodox now, I still study a lot but keep it to myself. Liturgical worship is what I needed all along. I’m speaking for myself here.
As an Orthodox convert of the Greek variety for 34 years now who has never read the Bible and has relied on the Church and it’s applied teachings I’m comfortable with stating that Biblical Truth is unattainable outside the combined wisdom of the Apostles and the Church Fathers who created it, translated it, selected it and combined it into a single codex.
@@SaltShackwhy havent you read His word?
@@YahuahsRefiner I’ve never considered myself worthy or qualified. I’ve also been afraid of being confused by it or misinterpreting in ways that might cause me to doubt. So many people, good and faithful people far better Christians than I could hope to be, have been drawn into heresy and abandoning The Body of Christ from their own or other people’s rationalizations of what Scripture says to them. I’ve also been very confident that I’m experiencing the fullness of the Gospels by participating in Orthodox Worship not unlike the saints and martyrs did in the first three centuries of the Church, though I’m obviously no Saint and don’t hope for the opportunity prove or not my capacity as a Martyr like St. Ignatius. So, until very recently with a group, Bible Study I guess, that includes our priest I am beginning to explore the Scriptures but with very big and firmly attached training wheels over a large soft safety net. Thank you for the question that sounded like it was asked out of concern. I deeply appreciate it, Thank you again.
@SaltShack you make absolutely no sense
@@johnalexis8284 If I had a dime for every time I’ve heard that…….
Great speech! Greetings from a Romanian, we are proud Christian Orthodox
I love her point about not getting drawn into, and participating in, pointless discussions.
Same here. If all Christians were Orthodox, many centuries of argument and bloodshed would never have happened.
@@toasterpastries5811 1500 years of arguments about nothing.
@@SignalsOfVirtue Christ is everything. The colour of his mother's eyes is not important.
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Yes I am heavily convicted by this. It's been a niggle in my conscience for a while and I always think "just let me put this next matter to rest so I can rest", which, being new to the Church is not entirely bad, but Dr Constantinou is beckoning me further beyond this way of thinking and so much of me knows it is good.
Поздрав из Православне Србије !!!
Greetings from orthodox Serbia !!!
She is a great defender of Orthodoxy.
Memory Eternal Kevin Allen. Thank you for all you did for our faith.
No she's not, sounds very cultic.
☦📲 Amen. Reading the Orthodox Bible each day is so empowering. It makes me a whole new person, and it sets the start of my week just right ❤.
So true. Reading God's Word daily is so empowering!
This is a very revealing talk. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I became Orthodox 2 years ago on 15 Apr 2017. I have learned a great deal today by watching this video. Thank you Dr Jeannie Constantinou for your devotion to our Heavenly Father.
How did you become orthodox?
Read books authored by Frederica Mathewes - Green and then visit a Orthodox church near you. You can also ask a deacon or priest to explain various liturgies and prayers. God bless
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I was dumb forgot the account password. I appreciate any tricks you can offer me.
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@@shilohjuelz2478p
Thank you so much presbytery Jeannie! I have come back to this talk several times & listen to search the scriptures daily. Thank you! I have no background of the Christian faith & am very new to Orthodoxy. You have helped me connect dots while encouraging me to just get to church!
from the Newage to orthodoxy I've to say this is a holy church very inclusive guidelines. I wish the truth sickening person to find this church. GOD BLESS
I went from new age to orthodox as well!!
Lillian Riccioli
From “New Age” to Ages of Ages.
Thank you for this great channel. I had been searching for Orthodox resources for some time now and I finally found it. The presentations here are thorough, informative, witty and also easy to digest. Thank you again!
I learnt a lot; thank you the lecturer and the parishioners. Keep it coming.
magnifico!! This is wonderful...please bring Jeannie Constantinou back for us
As an ERITREAN ORIENTAL ORTHODOX Church follower, we are blessed to still be able to memorize the entire bible and we have a lot of bible interpretation handed down to us. There are ways to read the bible and study it in the right way.
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You recite the Pslams?
@@joehouston2833of course they recite the psalms like all orthodox
This was wonderful. God bless the Orthodox Church.
I love her work. I was introduced to her archived content where she went through all the scriptures prior to AFR picking up the program
Could you share where I could find her content? I would like to read the scriptures.
AFR?
I think this talk is excellent and very enlightening. Thank you.
I love Dr. Jeannie. She's my hero. I've learned sooo much from her in the last 4 years from her podcast Search The Scriptures.
She's pretty great
Indeed. She's the Queen of Eastern Orthodox Theology and Phronema, IMHO. 👑🕊️
Dr. Jeannie is my hero. I've learned so, so much from her in her Search the Scriptures podcasts. My Chrismation was last Sept. and I just love listening and learning from her. She is truly a blessing and The Lord is using her in so many ways. Wish there were more of her talks on you tube.
She has a website: orthodoxbiblestudy.info/
Indeed. She's the Queen of Eastern Orthodox Theology and Phronema, IMHO. 👑🕊️
Wow A WOMAN TEACHING ❤
Very normal activity for a teacher...Especially if you are so brilliant and well informed, and an active member of the church...
Very good thank you. Good to hear someone speak much that I have concluded and believed.
Thank you Dr Jeannie, been listening and learning by Osmosis.
Been listening since Converting in 2016. Feel like I know you. Ordered your new book from AFB store. Cant wait!
God bless you Presbytera Jeannie I wish I had been able to hear your wonderful explanation when I was in college and encountering Evangelicals for the first time questioning me if I was born again, I was so confused and I knew they were wrong but I didn't know how to explain how I knew that...
Very insightful. Thanks so much to this introduction to orthodox thought.
Dr Jeannie, thank you so much for all the work you have done and are doing. I love all your podcasts and videos and have been edified by them. God bless you!
I loved your point about knowing when to shut up and accept the mystery as just that. I think that is why in the West protestants have a problem with scientific theory and creationism whereas, in the East we don't. We don't mix apples and oranges. We know how to separate the sin, from the sinner, hating the sin, but loving the sinner. No confusion. Knowing how to discern between things with humility.
The West has been targeted by Marxists since WW2 and they brainwash us in our schools while simultaneously still providing some good education. We scarcely know our own history.
That is why there is such trouble.
PhunnyFilosophy kid The trouble goes back much further to the Enlightenment and possibly earlier with Rome.
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Love this!
you are brilliant and amazing and I appreciate you.
As a linguist, I have to thank you for saying that we must be very careful with translations. Overall, a fantastic talk, really enjoyed this.
When it comes to memorizing the psalms, I get hung up trying to choose a translation. At the moment I'm using the Holy Transfiguration Monastery psalter (it's the little green one). A Psalter for Prayer is also one of my favorites; it's the Coverdale corrected to the LXX, which maketh glad my heart. Even better though, it has the traditional prayers for each section 🥰
Thank you for sharing your information I really loved it. I am new to American Orthodoxy you really helped with understanding and knowledge of scripture. I love the gospel thank you.
American orthodoxy is actually a derogatory people use for “wrongly practiced orthodoxy” or “worldly orthodoxy” in my experience
allow me to encourage you to visit Holy Mount Athos in Greece, a monastic polity, and find there an Elder to support you in your Orthodox life!
beautiful teachings and exhortations !
Wow, what a message, this is important! Thanks dear teacher and thanks to God. Greetings from Iceland.
I love to learn more about the orthodox Church. Trying to absorb what phonima means. I am not interested at this time about our divisions of the Catholic Church or Protestant at this point in my life. Maybe been there and done that and returned to Orthodoxy. God bless all!! kyria Allison/God have mercy
God bless you!
great talk, tnak you and God bless
Hey from the Russian Orthodox. I remember one Russian priest once said about the Latin church: Latins try so hard to understand and interprete what God meant in the Bible, and we, we don't have to understand.. we just have to believe!
@@SignalsOfVirtue what cult? Orthodoxy is so liberal in many aspects. Nobody checks up on you how many times you go to Church, nobody tell you exactly how to believe but you are left to chose. You may come and go and come back with no questions asked. What is cultish about that?
Nice!! Yes I love both Apostolic Churches but nice haha! Btw are women allowed to teach according to the Bible?
That is really dumb. Understanding the scriptures is imperative.
@@supppppz8823 are women allowed to learn?
@@supppppz8823 God created ONE ☝️ Apostolic Church which is the Orthodox Church
Very compelling!
My family left Orthodoxy before I was born. I was thinking of coming back to the fold so I was glad to find this and a few other videos with good explanations. This really helped me make my decision to pursue my evangelistic path. I appreciate your input.
Sissy Awakened
Go for it! Orthodoxy is the church Christ built.
God Bless You!
Sissy, did you became Orthodox Christian?
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St Paul. We have the mind of Christ. The heart of Jesus. The blood of His life death and resurrection i.e. THE HOLY SPIRIT. ."No one can say that Jesus is Lord but by the Holy Spirit". The CHURCH is composed of people baptised in the Spirit and guided by Him.
Thank you for this video... Presbytera Jeannie did a Sermon at St. Demetrios Greek Orthodox Church in Tucson, AZ and it was excellent... About Forgiveness. Make sure you forgive everyone!!!!
May Father YAHweh bless your understanding.
Fantastic lecture! Greetings from Iowa
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SO learned. SO refreshing to hear that it is ok to use a translation that we can understand. Granted, it is wonderful to go back to the Greek, but for us converts who are working on this it is so comforting to hear from such an educated Bible scholar (yes, I read her educational background -- it just goes on and on). Dr. Constantinou has a JD and went on to study theology. How inspiring to see someone go on from another profession to be a theologian. What a blessing to listen to this...
This is awesome.
1'17'20 the hole meaning of orthodoxy is there!! Keeping the moment of pentecost!!! Not changing anything!! Wow!! Thank you presvytera!! Simple explanation yet full of knowledge!!
Love our Orthodox Church, this is a great video! 🙏
She is magnificent. She came to our Orthodox church in October 15, 2022
Prespatera well done 👏 good scholar
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GOOD STUFF FOR A NEW CONVERT
Please, invite her again! ❤🌟🙈 there are very few videos of her on RUclips 🙈
Full Life Art she's very good isn't she 😁
Lovely! 🙈🌟💐☘️✝️ I wish I could have her as my professor 🐯
She has a website with audio bible studies here: orthodoxbiblestudy.info/
She has a podcast on Ancient Faith Radio with her name. Extremely knowledgable and informative on Eastern Orthodoxy.
I will have her on my channel very soon, subscribe so that you are notified when I release the video!!
The Saints , Fathers of Ortodox Church, were the light guides and source of renewed inspiration and believe that with God all things are possible. That keeps the Church on a right path despite the prosecution that lasts to this day!
Yes, there is some kind of individualism in protestantism, the reading, interpretation and meditation part but we need to be in concordance with history and theologians that were before us too.
Compared to other countries, Americans are extremely individualist, and Americans are kind of the seat of Protestantism currently. I guess England is technically but we've sort of taken up the mantle.
37:20 Guilty! When I first started watching I had the thought "her arms are uncovered in Church?!" Oh, dear. I have a long way to go. Thank you for posting this! Obviously I needed to hear it.
This is kind of a liberal parish it seems don’t be scandalized it’s different in other places.
Com. Gordon Thank you.
She isn't attending the Divine Liturgy. She is giving a public lecture in everyday work attire. Context is everything.
It is so easy for us to slip back into Protestant sermonising and moralising.
uncovered arms are acceptable during liturgy in Greece though the better dressed people never do it. Nobody will turn around and judge though.
@@madamedellaporte4214 because the climate can be hotter in Greece especially the summer months
Thank you
Amen
25:42 - THANK YOU! It was rubbish like this that made me stop going to church as a teenager. Now I’m orthodox I know that this is, as you say, completely missing the point! Let us hope that others will come to realise this as it really is a huge barrier for some people
Bless you.
Wow she is good. Knows her stuff. 🕊️🇳🇮
She is one of the bright minds in Christianity
Indeed. The Queen of Eastern Orthodox Theology and Phronema, IMHO. 👑🕊️
I wish I heard this 24 years ago as a new Evangelical. But now I’m Orthodox.
I love it
Great
Two words:
1. Blown
2. Away.
The Holy Spirit just did this to me!
John 3:8
Спасибо, братцы!
God bless ❤
As an Inquirer to EO this channel has been such a blessing! 😊
kyrie eleison! kyrie eleison! kyrie eleison! Glory to the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
i am Greek Christian Orthodox, baptised an infant, but only, lately i came close to God and started reading the Bible. I had a smalll background from attending Church as a child and being tought at school but other than, very minimal proper knowledge. In the last couple of months, i studied Genesis through Numbers and i am so fascinated, but what really shocked me in this video, in a ggod and very revealing way, was that God who spoke to Moses, the cloud that was leading their way, was Jesus, and i still don't if i understood correctly, but to me that changes everything, my whole perspective and understanding....As a new Christian, that is what i consider myself to be, i realize now that we really need to be very careful of the commentaries and studies we read...
How do you know intuitively? Phronema? It is translated as Indoctrination.
what about "kolifa" we get at a memorial of someone that has passed... is that tradition?...Dr Constantinou, says orthodox encourage reading the bible. Is reading the bible the same as reading a prayer? Dont interpret but read with the orthodox phronema, just like one reads a prayer with the cover of the orthodox phronema
2 Timothy 3:16 Every writing which is written by The Spirit is profitable for teaching, for correction, for direction and for a course in righteousness,
Pray for us, Saint Peter and Long Live Christ the King!
Please set subtitle button. Can understand by reading. ....
Talat Baba Thank you! It now makes more sense. 😇
56:55 - who was waiting for the “PATRICK” to be added onto the end there? 😂
Respect! For her energy!
If going to traditional and the early church fathers way of believing and faith then why advising very loose in selecting the version of the Bible which one to stick on..Just reading the Bible verbally does not suffice, rather by reading any version available leads to loosing the whole message due to unending changes made in the process of translation.
I know all translation have their pitfall too.
I am an ethiopian. I know my grandfather know the bile in his mind.and I know it is not allowed to translate by our selves.instead there is a book for translation of the bible which is too old.maybe a thousand year ago.
Ethiopia was the first country to adopt Christianity as its official religion. ✝ God bless Ethiopia. 😀
if you are monophysites you are heretic.
Andrei-Cezar Bleaje
Technically no, not anymore, depending on which bishops in the know you talk to. But hard hearts and harder heads and countless distractions are preventing this good news from becoming common. Don’t grill me on the matter, I’ve heard both perspectives all too often. The joke about us being perfect for people who hate organized religion really rings true sometimes.
Yared Addis
Jubilees seems like an addendum to proverbs.
@70 AD ....... That’s debatable, for its long been held that Armenia 🇦🇲 under the Leadership of St. Gregory the Illuminator is the first Country to adopt Christianity
I am not a so-called orthodox believer, but it seems that I already have this mind-set that the good doctor is expressing. I have always thought that what is missing in Western Christianity is the emphasis of it being a life-style, as St. Paul said, "for me to live is Christ..." That is missing, and the understanding of what it means to be the body of Christ. Other aspects are missing as well, such as, the Western church is so commercial and secular. Where is the sense of the holiness and fear of God? We are God's called out ones and not like the world, or that should be sensed. When we gather it is missing much of the time. We are in the midst of holy things when we gather as the Lord's people, but I don't see that much in the West.
We in the West also wish to acquire the mind of the Apostles that's why we break it all down so hard. Theology matters.
Most Protestants don't believe that the scriptures were dictated. Many believe that the personality of the writer in no way is bypassed in the process of inspiration. That is clear when comparing the writing style of Paul the apostle to the writing style of John the apostle. However, it was all done under divine inspiration, which included the writers style and vocabulary.
Read and write the holy books in your heart, open your ears so Faith may enter; live the Hope every day and let Love be your true way to God trough Jesus Crist and the Holy Spirt. A let Our Holy Mother console you in the hour of our darkness. Above all breathe the name of Jesus.
Javier Biaggi That was beautiful. 😇
Why isn't the Greek liturgy in modern Greek then? Why classical Greek? Or Old Church Slavonic in the Slavic countries??
Was that Fr. Dcn. Dr. Ananias that asked the question?
44:34 The KJV and the NKJV translate "glory" in John 8:50.
I have a problem with the Orthodox church still saying hail Mary full of Grace.
what were Trinity, Christology, and notions of Mary as "Mother of God" if not speculative theology? Where are they in the bible??
36:09 to 37:00 I guess I'm still weak because I am tempted by the first part and not by the last part.
Don't beat yourself up. That is another Orthodox lesson to learn. Accept you are flawed because we all are. Move on and just try to be aware but don't beat yourself up.
My existential problem , when someone keep saying its hard to explain , and I am not feeling it either , this abstract thinking makes me more abstract. The orthodox mentality of following the old Christian , even the bible ask as to renew our mind and be transformed .
Michael Belay I think that means to be transformed to Christ’s image by the renewal of your mind. That we should no longer ‘think’ the way we used to, but now look ahead to a new life in Christ.
Overall good presentation, but suggesting that "sin and salvation aren't really found in the Bible" is absolutely false. It's the over-arching and most prominent theme of the Bible, permeating both the Old and New Testaments, and was a major focus of the Apostolic teachings.
Brother Augustine She says that the western view of sin and salvation isn’t in the bible.
Always be vigilant, when the orthodox qualify a statement like that with western, they don’t mean the orthodox, they mean literally every church not Eastern Orthodox
Your not understanding her.
So you'll accept the traditional story about Mary growing up in the temple but not what Western Christians think went on at the crucifixion (selling the garmets etc)? Why?
That's modalism, Patrick!!
1:13:40 Norwegian Nous? Fr Dr Deacon Ananias.
Wow cool!! Good catch!
May wife Mary and I ATE NEW MEMBER S SINCE JAN
11. 2020 AFTER 5 YEARS OF INVESTIGATORS AND 1YEAR OF STUDY AT ST. GEORGE ORTHRODOX CHURCH IN BUFFALO, N
Y. WE WANT SOME HISTORY OF EACH BOOK TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE
PLUS SHOULD WE START AT JOHN.
BLESSINGS. TONY AND MARY DIPIANO
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Interesting talk. Though I would disagree on the merit of philysophical debate & apologetics. It's led to so many converting to Orthodoxy including myself & the Church father's themselves engaged such debates. I will have to see what my Church father says about it.
Also get an Orthodox Study Bible. Dont just use "any Bible".
I think you can debate but not about pointless matters that have no answers.
I will always keep the sabbath on Saturday, the 7th day of the week, as the commandments say to do. Why is that changed anyhow? What scripture is there saying it is changed to the first day of the week?
WordTruth Worship In Spanish and Mediterranean cultures Sunday is the seventh day of the week. Your reasoning is completely based in the American view of the week, lol.
@@justinobrien2081 Not so. If the Jews don't know when the seventh day is, who does? The Jews always keep Shabbat on Saturday, always. Pretty much a no brainer.
jews have the sabbath on Saturday, Christians do not have sabbath, Christians have Sunday as the day of Christ's resurrection . and just for the record, according to the International Organization for Standardization ISO 8601, Sunday is the seventh day of the week
@Morgan Silver So it has recently been changed then. They finally did it. I was raised with Sunday as the first day of the week, and I am sure most of my family does not know this. I have lived too long...thanks for the info...Our Lord Jesus bless you in all truth and righteousness.
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15:52 - this is the reason I'm here 😳
Orthodox- we are not blown around by every wind of doctrine . Our anchor holds fast. Spent 40 years as a Seventhday Adventist. We “knew” so much thru the lense of our 19th century prophet- Ellen G White- the latest word from heaven. Sense 1844ad- they still try to make her words form their agenda. Oh the peace to know my savior built a church for my healing- now and forever! The “spiritual buffet” in the liturgy after 27 yrs continues “ teaching them to observe “ ALL things” that He has commanded. Christ is risen and in our midst.🌈
I am a Westerner through and through, and I confess, apparently in typical Western fashion, that I do not see how having the 'mind of the Church' can relieve us of our characteristically human philosophical nature. The point of asking difficult probing questions about free will and so on, is that it expresses our human nature. We are born with very little practical knowledge or understanding of Nature, which allows us to learn about it as we encounter it in our growth and development. We can only understand Nature by interrogating it in the light of experience. Religious beliefs are formulated during the course of human development and necessarily reflect provisional understandings of Nature at particular historical moments. When those particular understandings deepen or are superseded, traditional religious beliefs must often be uncoupled from their original historical formulations in order to conform to new, more accurate understandings of Nature. In this way we may learn more about divine creativity, and, therefore, about God. To deny this, is to deny both human nature and the divine creativity which created it.
Fred,
First thing we humans need to learn is humility. I understand what you're saying and we ARE created with intelligence enough to debate, reason and express our views on anything we wish, but when it comes to God, there should only be awe, for we must realize that even though we may think we are intelligent and can somehow understand God if we talk and philosophize enough, we are fooling ourselves,
Of course, you need to believe in "God' to begin with.
Human language is just "baby talk" to God.
Even the word "God" does not do justice. He is beyond our comprehension.
This is where faith comes in. God can't just be an academic "subject."
That's what Dr. Jeannie is trying to say. To drone on and on about this, is really just a waste of time because there's no end.
Like I said,.... beyond our comprehension..
People seem like to hear themselves talk and sound intelligent. That's what it really and honestly boils down to.
Lol, I'm no exception.
shirleysue228 Me too! I have a tendency to want to be heard at Bible study. I’m learning to shut up!
What if you read the in the early church fathers affirming predestination but some later church fathers or leaders calling it anathema in response to the reformation?
Predestination has been refuted from the first centuries.. actually calling them heretics and making God evil
Augustine promoted it and in general the RCC.. not the east. We reject Augustine teachings..
@@repairerofthebreach777 Was there a consensus of the church/council before the schism denouncing Augustine or his teachings as heresy?
@@riptorn3591 I don't say Augustine is a heretic. He is considered a saint. Well even that is still debatable in Orthidoxy. But he is not a church father.. Origen was a heretic.
@@riptorn3591 schism started way before the schism my friend.. even in the 8th century Rome was called heretics from the East.. even from 4th century.. and after.. where west developed different theology than the east.. We don't even have the same creed with the West. They included the Son sending the Spirit as well from himself as the Father does which we reject totally and is heretical to Orthodoxy. Or purgatory.. or total depravity. Created grace.. natural theology, predestination, etc are all rejected from Orthodoxy
There were translations from the earliest of times of the Bible into the main local languages, contrary to what the presenter says.
St Cyril created the Slavic alphabet in the 9th century.
1 Peter 4:11 Everyone who speaks, let him speak according to the word of God, and everyone who ministers, according to what power God gives to him, that God may be glorified in all that you do, by Yeshua The Messiah, whose glory and honor is truly to the eternity of eternities.
1:18:08 Too late, he already has, they're just afraid of missing out on the ride that you say is not there.