Sinner REACTS to WADA Appeal! ATP Beijing Quarter Final Preview & Predictions | GTL Tennis Podcast

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  • Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024

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  • @Florence-kn3dq
    @Florence-kn3dq Месяц назад +2

    Don’t worry, he’s gonna never lose his real fans. He’s more than innocent, he’s been so unlucky because of his idiot former team and for that, so persecuted because of envy and frustration. Go Jannik❤️🔥💪👏

  • @francescojsb
    @francescojsb Месяц назад +11

    WADA is just looking for an image of credibility to please public opinion, especially after the criticism received for the case of the Chinese swimmers, essentially to demonstrate that there is no preferential treatment for anyone, as more than a few "important voices" in tennis had complained, not realizing that by doing so they are making everyone unhappy, obviously those who believe in innocence, but also those who believe in guilt who, given the non-request to revoke all the trophies won after the positive test, will continue to talk about preferential treatment (well, on the one hand they will be unhappy and on the other happy because they will be able to continue to protest and attack Sinner).
    However, it is already clear that they have not been able to find any evidence to undermine the essential points of the defense, I believe that they will only play on his "objective responsibility" or some other quibble regarding his hypothetical negligence in not having controlled the behavior of people who depended on him (the only unclear points are when and how Naldi applied his self the spray)
    In any case, the reference to not revoking the trophies won is ridiculous because, since they want to refute the absence of negligence, if they succeeded then they should be revoked, in addition to the fact that it would be something that the TAS decides and certainly not the person filing the appeal.

    • @veronicanicholls7132
      @veronicanicholls7132 Месяц назад +1

      They want us all to think they are strict on doping, so they are using Sinner as an example. I feel really sorry for Sinner/
      There is something sinister going on.

    • @5eul
      @5eul Месяц назад +1

      ah, these nike bots, same copy/paste sentences only increase suspicion at highest!

    • @francescojsb
      @francescojsb Месяц назад

      ​@@5eul Some hater doesn't deserve to waste too much time rewriting everything, the essential thing is to give some more precise information to all those who speak without knowing the facts and the rules

  • @MarK-ly2ml
    @MarK-ly2ml Месяц назад +1

    If everything was so clean as Sinner claims - or mostly clean - there is not the slightest dilemma that WADA would have spared itself the effort, time, and money and simply accepted the original decision of ITIA. However, this shows that there are clearly some flaws in the original verdict, which, if they were to be revealed later, could seriously damage WADA's reputation and cause too many problems.
    We can only guess, but it is highly likely that not all information is public regarding this case. Escalation is not beneficial for anyone here WADA, ITIA or Sinner, but clearly something we dont know is forcing WADA to push this case further...

  •  Месяц назад +12

    I think that Sinner is a victim of antidoping agency because they did not do similar cases like this in the same way in the past, so, they're gonna transfer heat they are getting back to the Sinner.

  • @AhmedAli-qb1rg
    @AhmedAli-qb1rg Месяц назад +10

    The guy failed TWO drug tests, I don’t know how ppl think it’s harsh to investigate .
    Just because the establishment tried to hide it does not mean there’s nothing here

    • @TheRockpb
      @TheRockpb Месяц назад

      Ahhh yes, the good old "establishment trying to hide it"... NWO and the Illuminati when?

    • @creepsus24
      @creepsus24 Месяц назад

      establishment does this and that, yet the paper they presented show that Clostebol M1-M5 metabolites are still present in traces in urines even after 2 week after the contamination.

  • @miaoFoodNow
    @miaoFoodNow Месяц назад

    I'd love to see some coverage on Steve Johnson.
    This man has retired this season & people seem to have already forgotten about the vibe he brought to a tournament.

  • @salridulfo4065
    @salridulfo4065 Месяц назад +17

    need to focus on the facts, the test results found 1 billionth part eg totally incapable of delivering a performance advantage, there need to be a better way to manage these events and focus on the real cheats

    • @glemonsbhatkin514
      @glemonsbhatkin514 Месяц назад +2

      Playing Devil's Advocate. If he was guilty, it is highly unlikely that the amount in the system would be anything other than a trace amount, with the aim being to have no trace amount at all by the time he is tested.

    • @epsilonbeta4877
      @epsilonbeta4877 Месяц назад +1

      @@glemonsbhatkin514 They're tested every week and he was tested in Rotterdam, you're delusional and you are defaming a player.

    • @5eul
      @5eul Месяц назад +3

      @@glemonsbhatkin514 web is full of these middle east nike bots, its sad they doesnt even watch and know what tennis is.

    • @BennyCooke-k6n
      @BennyCooke-k6n Месяц назад

      @@5eul Donner be a sausage.

    • @5eul
      @5eul Месяц назад

      @@BennyCooke-k6n saying bot created in oct 2023.

  • @jkmertz7140
    @jkmertz7140 Месяц назад +13

    Anyone who writes that Sinner is doped is essentially one of the following categories: either he is a hater of his, or a toxic fan of others, or a troll who only wants to provoke, or someone who speaks by hearsay without knowing the facts, the rules and the ITIA documents.
    Here we continue to talk about the opinions of poorly informed people and only to insinuate doubts based on the preconceptions of the speaker.
    The ruling of the independent tribunal, with the positive opinion of experts including WADA itself, says that "there is no fault or negligence on Sinner's part for the double positivity to Clostebol".
    Between the notification of the suspension in April and the ruling in August Sinner was able to play because he filed an urgent appeal bringing evidence of his innocence, an appeal that was accepted given the evidence in his favor, all those who complain of preferential treatment either did not file an appeal in time or did not have sufficient evidence to have it accepted.
    The mistake, in any case not his, still cost him 400 ATP points and more than 300 thousand dollars, the prizes of Indian Wells.
    This does not mean that he was at fault, but it is provided for by the rules when there is a positive even if it is not your fault and is independent of any disqualifications.
    The facts that demonstrate his innocence:
    - A billionth of Clostebol is equivalent to the tip of a teaspoon in an Olympic swimming pool, ridiculous to think that it is doping and not contamination.
    - All tests before and after Indian Wells are negative, Sinner has done more than 20 in the last year, in addition to the biological passport that proves nothing strange.
    - Clostebol was used by East German weight lifters in the 80s, since then many other better substances have been used for doping
    - There have been several cases identical to Sinner's due to Trofodermin, those in which there was neither fault nor negligence had the same outcome as Sinner (for example the one mentioned by many Bortolotti), the difference is that not being famous and not having enemies they did not create a stir.
    I know that like flat-earthers many will continue undaunted, fortunately they do not count for anything and will remain confined to some social media, I should say that I feel sorry for them but I would be lying.

    • @dmitriy2776
      @dmitriy2776 Месяц назад +1

      I don't think you know what "either" means.

    • @seadkapic4768
      @seadkapic4768 Месяц назад +2

      Nice try

    • @glemonsbhatkin514
      @glemonsbhatkin514 Месяц назад +2

      There's still an element of doubt and a ready made excuse doesn't change that. It doesn't make it any let suspicious for some people, and it doesn't make them flat earthers either. If Sinner is ranked 70, he gets banned, and that is that. If you can't see that, then you have a problem.

    • @TheRockpb
      @TheRockpb Месяц назад

      ​@@glemonsbhatkin514 Bortolotti was ranked 350 and wasn't banned.

    • @epsilonbeta4877
      @epsilonbeta4877 Месяц назад +1

      @@glemonsbhatkin514 Like Bortolotti, he was banned right? Oh no, he wasn't. And WADA didn't even appeal.
      You are just an hater. Read and study.

  • @franz1972-r6e
    @franz1972-r6e Месяц назад

    From the first resolution we now 2 things that are sure, certain if we believe in science, without any doubt:
    - no prohibited substance was in in body before march as he tested negative (please read the report);
    - we resulted positive twice under the same process for a quantity that has no influence in his performance; this was saide by 3 professionals, 2 of which appointed by ITIA and working for laboratories accredited with WADA.
    We are here to discuss a contamination unintentional that his, by far different from doping, already decided by a Tribunal Independent just bevause WADA has an idea, that nobody knows as it was not explained, of "negligence and no fault" with the risk to exclude a player for contamination unintentional for 2 years (according to art 10.6 the period of Ineligibility varies from zero to 2 years). In case of volontary doping, he would take 4 years.
    Not only Sinner will be recognized inocent twice.

  • @Tuzzz94
    @Tuzzz94 Месяц назад +6

    I think you're jumping the gun a bit too much with Fearnley. Top 10 is extremely hard to do. Challenger wins don't tell overly much

    •  Месяц назад

      Yes, Jacob would have to pass a few times in second week of the major tournaments to be a candidate for future top 10

    • @dmitriy2776
      @dmitriy2776 Месяц назад

      Agreed. He's good at challenges and can beat some decent players but he's still fairly inconsistent

  • @jkmertz7140
    @jkmertz7140 Месяц назад +4

    Regarding the appeal, WADA is just looking for an image of credibility to please public opinion, especially after the criticism received for the case of the Chinese swimmers, essentially to demonstrate that there is no preferential treatment for anyone, as more than a few "important voices" in tennis had complained (also considering that the possible confirmation of president Witold Bańka will take place shortly)
    In fact, it usually appeals against decisions of national bodies, which could be affected by favoritism, and does not appeal in the case of independent courts, strangely for the 23 Chinese swimmers acquitted by their own court they did not lift a finger and for Sinner judged by an independent court (with expert WADA consultants) they are now appealing.
    In any case, in the appeal they do not question that it was an involuntary contamination, but only that there was negligence in controlling the work of its "employees", so much so that they do not request the revocation of all the trophies won after the positivity.
    The result, in addition to covering themselves with ridicule, will be that they will have to pay the legal costs and that the haters will continue to be consumed with envy.

    • @5eul
      @5eul Месяц назад +1

      ah, these nike bots, same copy/paste sentences only increase suspicion at highest!

    • @jkmertz7140
      @jkmertz7140 Месяц назад

      @@5eul ah, these haters, increase disgusting

  • @Tuzzz94
    @Tuzzz94 Месяц назад +1

    Little bit more Tokyo coverage would've been nice
    Good video overall though. I don't want to just be negative Nancy here

  • @kennethmaxwell4809
    @kennethmaxwell4809 Месяц назад

    Sinner may be 38/40 (95%) on hard courts this year but what is his percentage on doping ?

  • @michael8597
    @michael8597 Месяц назад +9

    The most moral and legitimate thing to be done is to ban Sinner for at least a year or more to bring in parity in the playing arena. You cannot treat No. 1 with kid gloves and the rest wielding an iron stick under similar circumstances.

    • @TheFlowMind
      @TheFlowMind Месяц назад

      Yet others were treated with kid’s glove and Jannik’s decision was appealed. And it will be a very subjective judgement.

    • @michael8597
      @michael8597 Месяц назад +4

      @@TheFlowMind Even Sinner's so-called innocence is purely subjective

    • @margaritamuller2497
      @margaritamuller2497 Месяц назад

      Instead of saying he should be banned should Say, change the stupid laws from contamination

  • @TheFlowMind
    @TheFlowMind Месяц назад +1

    Here to remind everyone in the comment that case is not about doping/no doping but it’s about the potentially negligent conduct that lead to the contamination.
    Just read an Italian article explaining in details the basis of the appeal. Long story short this is going to be very very subjective. For instance, he asked Naldi about the treatment he was using for his finger once. But potentially, Wada could object that Jannik should have asked more often so "negligent". Also, that the fact that his team purchased a product with a banned substance and had it in the same house they were staying is "negligent".

  • @veronicanicholls7132
    @veronicanicholls7132 Месяц назад

    Something sinister going on I am sure.

  • @margaritamuller2497
    @margaritamuller2497 Месяц назад

    Sinner was condaminated, he can not be punish and the laws anout contamination should be change.

  • @ElaineChan-b8q
    @ElaineChan-b8q Месяц назад +7

    People that thinks he is guilty are either Stupid or uninformed..read the facts before you accuse him..He’s such a humble nice guy..go pick on someone else.

    • @5eul
      @5eul Месяц назад +3

      Stop NIKE BOTING!!!

    • @andieolivia
      @andieolivia Месяц назад +1

      He is guilty though. Anabolic steroids were found in his system. That’s illegal. It’s not that complicated to understand. Guilty is guilty. Doesn’t matter the amount.

  • @antoinettekankindi6807
    @antoinettekankindi6807 Месяц назад +2

    Teñnis "pundits" will continue 5hrowing the overused bone to the haters for clicks

    • @BennyCooke-k6n
      @BennyCooke-k6n Месяц назад

      A positive test for a banned substance and a ready made excuse doesn't automatically indicate 'haters'. You are the hater.

  • @punns643
    @punns643 Месяц назад +2

    MSG helps chinese players

  • @dmitriy2776
    @dmitriy2776 Месяц назад +5

    Doesn't matter if he's "innocent"... You guys focusing on the wrong part. He needs to be banned. Regardless of intent... Doesn't matter how you piss hot... if you were drugged, are raw pork, or used poor judgement and hired negligent physio who should've known better...it happened. Equal treatment for all.
    Of course sinner wants it to away... ATP hid the scandal for 6 months. Doesn't look good does it?

    • @billiey36
      @billiey36 Месяц назад +3

      "used poor judgement and hired negligent physio" - explain how someone's supposed to know this? WADA isn't trying to prove Sinner doped. They accept that he didn't purposely. WADA is trying to establish the meaning of "negligence". If Sinner is found negligent because of the actions of his trainer and/or physio, then every player can be held accountable for everything that people around them do. The players will have to become doctors and scientists and will have to carry equipment with them at all times to look for contamination. They will have to play parent and everyone else will be underage children who can do whatever they want because they can't be blamed. I'm hoping common sense prevails instead.

    • @user-ir7qs3oe9e
      @user-ir7qs3oe9e Месяц назад +3

      unless you are a chinese swimmer, in that case WADA doesnt appeal contaminations

  • @salmaal-shaoily5809
    @salmaal-shaoily5809 Месяц назад +3

    He was treated differently, and that's obvious, but the problem is not the way he was treated but the way they treat others.

    • @sorana6831
      @sorana6831 Месяц назад +1

      He wasn't. Please finally check the Bortolotti clostobol case on IATA page.

    • @sorana6831
      @sorana6831 Месяц назад +1

      Plus iata didn't even know whom they were investigating. It's done anonymously

    • @salmaal-shaoily5809
      @salmaal-shaoily5809 Месяц назад +1

      @@sorana6831 Kamil Majchrzak suspended for 13 months due to contamination. No faults and negligence

  • @karlpopper3246
    @karlpopper3246 Месяц назад +1

    ⁠ Sinner has already been acquitted for negligence or fault (and sanctioned for objective responsibility) by an Independent tribunal and WADA has never appealed the decision of an independent tribunal. He is being treated differently than others meaning worse than everyone else and is now subject to a second trial. Unheard of.
    The fact he did not dope is accepted by Wada, the quantity was a billionth of a gram, super small, point is the negligence and was already adjudicated by an independent tribunal. That tribunal called several expert to give their opinion and they were all in Sinner’s favour, which made the possibility of an appeal for a case like this practically non existing but they appealed anyway (without explaining why by the way, what was the negligence the first tribunal excluded?). Disgraceful.

  • @AlmaMartinez-d9k
    @AlmaMartinez-d9k Месяц назад +11

    Sinner a victim?? Twice??? Give me a break!!! He’s GUILTY!!! GUILTY!!! GUILTY!!!!

    • @mariapiade-rozza6749
      @mariapiade-rozza6749 Месяц назад

      A VAI AFFANC..O, STRO..O

    • @vivonerazzurro8810
      @vivonerazzurro8810 Месяц назад

      analphabet!

    • @VivianUehara
      @VivianUehara Месяц назад

      Twice bcos f*idi*t were 7d between plus substance remains >20d... Make maths

    • @chiaratrani9923
      @chiaratrani9923 Месяц назад

      No he's not and even WADA is saying that. They have accepted he has not done intentionally, they are contesting whether there has been on his part a degree of negligence that led to his contamination

  • @user-ir7qs3oe9e
    @user-ir7qs3oe9e Месяц назад +2

    its true his reputation has been hurt, but not by that much. if you notice a ton of people, not even fans of his, understand one main thing, the dose was so infinitesimal that it didnt matter performance wise (also funny that in the only tournament he tested positive his stats were shit and lost it). the sentiment i've noticed on socials is by far against WADA at this point.
    and you also gotta take into consideration that its pretty normal that some die hard fans of other athletes will use the chance to shit on the guy regardless, and those are like 70% of the negative comment you see, the rest are mostly the uninformed plus a few that actually believe sinner is to blame.. and thats ok

  • @rivanoadipratomo7050
    @rivanoadipratomo7050 Месяц назад +11

    Sinner should be banned…..blatant microdosing

  • @MrSitemaster2
    @MrSitemaster2 Месяц назад +1

    Sinner's gonna sue if there's further action against him.

  • @andieolivia
    @andieolivia Месяц назад +15

    Bad timing? He was found guilty with anabolic steroids in his system. Jannik should be suspended. Period. End of story.

    • @TheArmChairMan
      @TheArmChairMan Месяц назад

      Period! Period!
      The purpose of anti-doping is to verify that there was no fraudulence on Sinner's part. You know better than all of us put together that there was none.
      Sinner was able to document the possible contamination within 24 hours, as allowed to all players.
      The amount found in the tests on Sinner of one billionth of a gram clearly shows everyone (except you) that it was the result of contamination, It also takes common sense to judge, which is why he has already been clearly and completely exonerated.
      If you sit there calmly, but you have to be calm, put aside your personal frustrations, you too will realize, in your own time, without haste... that we are talking about nothing.
      Period! period!

    • @christineg3625
      @christineg3625 Месяц назад +10

      1 billionth of a gram . Not enhancing performance..no athlete in his right mind would take such ridiculous dose knowing it doesn't do anything .so tired of people not using their judgment and brain

    • @notturno3448
      @notturno3448 Месяц назад +1

      As an unbiased Italian, I totally agree with you. The same rule should apply to everyone.

    • @AshleyKarys
      @AshleyKarys Месяц назад +4

      @@christineg3625it’s about treating everyone the same. Not the amount.

    • @notturno3448
      @notturno3448 Месяц назад +1

      @@TheArmChairMan That's your personal opinion. Making a statement that EVERYONE should see something the way you do is not right.

  • @dominiquefugedi4202
    @dominiquefugedi4202 Месяц назад

    Its not about him being innocent or not his team was involved in his positive test so there för he should be suspended wheater it was inntentional or not. Wada is right and I totally understand their appeal. Why was Simona suspended för something her team gave her. Just because his nr 1 and great for tennis rivalry and his playing great this year he should be allowed to play thats so bias.

  • @glemonsbhatkin514
    @glemonsbhatkin514 Месяц назад +2

    I'm not a hater, but I take an issue with the ready-made excuse of the spray. What the hell was the spray there for? It just makes me suspicious of a cover-up story in case he was tested positive. Call me a flat earther if you like.

    • @emanuelegalli3016
      @emanuelegalli3016 Месяц назад +1

      terrapiattista

    • @BennyCooke-k6n
      @BennyCooke-k6n Месяц назад

      @@emanuelegalli3016 Biased Italian meatball.

    • @creepsus24
      @creepsus24 Месяц назад

      let's say this: you have an almost plausible reason to say he's innocent but you don't have enough proof to say he's intentionally and programmatically doping.

    • @BennyCooke-k6n
      @BennyCooke-k6n Месяц назад

      @@creepsus24 Positive tests are positive tests are positive tests are positive tests.

    • @creepsus24
      @creepsus24 Месяц назад

      @@BennyCooke-k6n bullshit. Tolerance zero is never a solution, it's just unfair to all the players. Imagine having the career ruined because of the negligence of someone else (in general not just JS case)

  • @biljanadokic9702
    @biljanadokic9702 Месяц назад +3

    SINER DOPING CHEATER, WADA BRAVO..😮😮😮😮😮