@@gabnel1000 gottmik was on the winning group n denali on the losing group lol. i think it also served the purpose of justifying why someone was saved from or forced into lipsyncin, bc oh remember how she did in that one sudden death lipsync after 10min in the workroom?? yeah
I just imagine the producers would pair Kandy and Tamisha for the makeover in a similar Sharon-Phiphi frenemies just for the sake of drama, and then throw them in the bttm2 to have their lipsync against each other
@@tunaburger5892 to be fair, I can see that happening too, because they're both extremely well put together and it would be good closure too. It would depend on how they'd embody each other
@@gabrielaegas5005 Atleast she made it all from scratch tho and didn’t have teams of people behind her styling her from head to toe like Gottmik and Kandy
@@moonlightbae6143 that is no excuse... if a look ain’t good, she is going to be low. Plus, miss Utica did her looks too. Just stop with the excuses lol. Did you expect miss Paul to carry Tamisha besides her bad looks and weak performances?
We aren't talking enough about how the season legit started with riggery. The choice of duos by the production for the lipsyncs in episodes 1 and 2 were fueled by strategy and/or favoritism.
they should have just kept the s12 twist, i enjoyed seeing each queens personality more and helped me set up my favourites, but the s13 twist... a choice
I don’t think fans should take any part in the production of the show but I would like to see a season where they just let the competition play out. They did it on Next In Fashion and Glow Up, and it was really refreshing and cool to see.
Production is necessary, but it needs to be polished, like UK1 and 2 (sure, there has been some controversy there too but not as obvious as in this season)
I think it's impossible to have a season with zero riggory, but nowadays they literally tell the queens what to do and say. This time they even photographed their looks and tested their lipsync abilities to make their schemes. Older seasons were different because the drama wasn't so artificial, also because the queens had to be more resourceful and weren't totally produced by other designers. I miss the challenges that required more creativity from them.
Why the F would Denali fans _want_ her to be safe in week 4?! Her *100% Pure Love* lip sync is one of the biggest reasons she became sooo loved by sooo much of the fandom early on. (Believe it or not, being in the Bottom 2 and absolutely KILLING it _can_ do even more for them then getting a challenge win.) Also, personally, if I were to save anyone from the Bottom 3, it would be LaLa (Whom I found to be very “meh”.) and I would’ve replaced her with Elliott. (Whom, IMHO, did a _terrible_ job.) Buuuut switching someone out of the Bottom 3 really wouldn’t make any difference. So, whatevs. LOL.
In this scenario she would be in the bottom with Symone because at least Olivia was funny but was really cringey but normal placements, Utica and Symone bottom
I think gottmik in the disco challenge is similar to the example you use with Symone in snatch game. There’s no way they could’ve put gottmik in the bottom without sending her home
If episode 2 had a bottom 2 she would of been eliminated by Kandy there aswell and she should of been in the bottom 2 for the commercial challenge over Tina
@@moonlightbae6143 #FACTS! I will FOREVER say that Gottmik should have been in the BTM2 for The Disco Ball & The Soda Brand. But, they gave her pass. Most definitely.
I was thinking of this, thank you for saying it 🤩 I would totally love to see that but I doubt it would make much of a difference because most people that get brought back into the competition in ‘twists’ go home straight away
the only problem i have with this is Tina winning the roast. Apparently shes known to be very bad at roasts which is part of the theory on why they got rid of her before it. but its just a theory. a draaag theory
Yeah seriously. There's a couple videos of her attempting to roast and they are just. Not good. At all. They did her a service sending her home when they did.
ok i'm not done the video yet, but for the bossy rossy challenge i don't think olivia would win in this scenario. Her character heavily relied on gottmik, and they bounced off one another amazingly. With Tamisha playing the role gottmik originally had, I think the win would go to symone or denali in this scenario.
I honestly don't think Elliott did a bad job in Bossy Rossy. Sure, she started out quiet and reserved in contrast to Tina, but she was able to meet the energy by the end. I honestly thought it was a better payoff than Kandy/Symone's scene, where they never really went beyond that toned down energy
Tbh for Bossy Rossy i thought Mik should have been high because I dont think Olivia would have been as funny without Mik describing it both performances relied in each other
I think that LaLa would have been safe in the Snatch Game. In „Whatcha Packin“ she told Michelle that she wanted to do Big Freida and I think she would have slayed that since they are both big personalities and LaLa could have channeled her Southerness really well
I agree with pretty much all of this. Sad to not have Utica be some sort of lip sync assassin in that scenario, but it would have been cool to see Tamisha and Denali for longer.
The question now becomes, what if Utica hadn't let Olivia take the mime role in Bossy Rossy? Edit: my guess is that Utica would not have gone home even if it were fair. It would still be Lala Ri vs Elliott because Utica is good at physical comedy. She's really good at facial expressions (take a look at "you ever smoked" from ep. 4). But Olivia is not good at being "assertive", so she's gonna be low here. Lala is sent home.
Symone’s outfit was better at Snatch game runway but I laughed the most at Rosè in snatch game and her runway was fine.I would pick Rosè to win Snatch game.That would be the only thing that I would change
@@EscSłonecznika the thing is Rosé was funny cuz of her accent. Symone created a character. Of course we all have opinions though. I just think we have to keep in mind that most of Rose’s laughs were the same reason Ru loved Lawrence Chaney so much.
I can see Symone winning a final lip sync against Denali, but Denali is a WAY better lip syncer than Symone and I think it would have been less riggy to give the win of the initial finale lip sync to Denali instead of a double win, because the latter shows rigging in favour of Symone TBH
@@essgee621 i agree with you on the both of your comments i love symone she deserved to win season 13 but if she was put against denali she would lose. Symone isn't really a high energy kind of girl while lip syncing (we saw that with her first bottom placement against kandy) her style of lip syncing is kinda focus on the face while denali is high energy but unlike symone she can give out great faces and also the finale songs are Britney Spears themed.
@@tamcar04 I don't really think Symone got the sauce, she literally just made the same facial expressions and finger pointing and that easily gets boring whereas Denali at least had solid dancing (I do agree both know how to sell a song)
@@beebeeguns1757 Yeah, Denali vs Symone could pretty much depend on the song and could go either way, but in this case, Denali would 100% win since its Britney bitch
Utica being 4th out, but getting a win, and not flunking every challenge after bring kept in the competition makes much more sense, it would wrap up her story perfectly, and not have her look like a clueless art queen.
@@phoenixrising7777 I agree like remember the 4 way lip sync they did I the finale ? They practically edited gotmik out that entire lip sync which makes it obvious she did really bad and if anyone where to go home in it it would most likely be her
@@andricardenas7854 no body can possibly know that because she was practically edited out the entire thing and she’s proved twice she’s not the best lip syncer which would explain why she was practically edited out of it a lot of people not just me think she did very bad in it
in the season with most lipsyncs in herstory (23), Gottmik got away with m*rder one too many times. just by her getting paired with the only queen whose style could represent merely a mild threat in Utica, you could see she was wildly favoured this season. we all like and love Gottmik, but it's on the producers how she slalom'd this competition (to detriment of other queens, i.e. Utica twice).
this video made me really sad cause now i feel robbed of how many denali lipsyncs we could have had through the season and if she got to the finale it would be the most iconic finale ever we were so robbed hope we can see her on drag race soon
Personally for Bossy Rossy, I think Symone won it because Olivias role relied on someone else and i don’t think Tamisha could help carry the role and Symone was just so strong and her look was amazing.
The person who can beat Denali in a Britney Spears smackdown hasn't born yet. So she would probably Sasha Valour the crown. Wait-. did I just use Sasha Valour as a verb? Uh- what's a verb? And why am I explaining myself?
From the jump this season had issues because I was honestly at the point with the first lip syncs that they were gonna gag everybody and say the losers were actually the winners. Denali performed and slayed a lip sync IN ICE SKATES? Some tomfoolery was afoot from the get-go in this season.
This season had alot going for it outside of "production rigging". -talked about blm -1st trans contestant on the show, meaning they came in trans openly -tamisha showed what could be done even with her health issues -alot of queens step out of the boxes they were put in, like mik being funny when she was deemed a fashion queen -there was some cute friendships
@@highonsugar6273 i meant in a normal season, gia was coming back as a trans woman so to me thats different imo. Mik came in first time around as a trans male which is also different from gia coming back as a woman.
@@alexysgonzalez2274 yeah I guess so, but the production rigging actually helped the trans representation by having our first trans queen in the top four
That’s all true, but a video about the production rigging doesn’t devalue the good stuff about the season. You can appreciate the great aspects of the show while criticizing it.
honestly i think Gottmiks runway was going to save her even if she was in the btm & i think thats why Utica was in thr btm 3 weeks in a row not lipsyncing
@@phoenixrising7777 i mean they obvi werent gonna have a Lala vs Denali lipsync after that already happening in ep 1. Also, Denali had a storyline with Rosé & by that time Lala & Tamisha never adressed their drag family so.. it all worked out
The runways are never as important as y'all like to think. There have been tons of queens who did horrible in the challenge while looking great on the runway and being sent home. Gottmik's looks weren't that groundbreaking for her looks to save her from being bottom
So you saying that Symone and Kandy doing different lypsing types deserves a double shantay, but Utica and Tina doing SO GOOD and different lypsincs doesnt?.... choices
@Todor Boychev get ur sh!t right sir. She used a black accent and black mannerisms. It wasn’t the same voice. It’s only similar because it’s black culture. Symone still did good on the runway whether u like it or not. Symone got the most laughs and rupaul even sang her jangle... symone won the challenge because it was about branding yourself. Rose commercial was boring... white girl comedy no offence. There we like 2 likes in there that was half funny. But her runway was stunning and one of the best on the show (her only top rated runway) so there’s that.
Symone out did rose on the runway, and ppl just understood symone more. I think the origins tops of snatch game should have been gottmik symone and Denali. I really couldn’t care for roses runway. A mess
honestly, for the double save, by your standards, i feel like utica v tina is harder to find a winner bc they took it to very different directions with really great performances. symone v kandy just seemed a little lackluster compared to utica v tina but idk it doesn’t really matter bc utica v tina isn’t a scenario in this video
@@hristinazdravkovic1907 because at the end of the day symone would still have the most wins.. but 2 bottom placements and Denali would have atleast 3 or so and 1 win. Y’all wanted rose to win cuz of the score... so In ur scenario u want Denali to win but symone should still win because y’all want to go by scores
@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 @sinefromabove babylon i don't know who's this y'all you're referring to. It should be about how you did in the challenges plus the finale lip-syncs. Denali was in the bottom twice and won one, she was high in almost all challenges plus she's the best lip-syncer. In season 11 Yvie Oddly won even though she only had one win so we know that the scores aren't the most important thing. Symone is great but in my opinion Denali could have won if it were fairly judged. Please don't reply because i can see that you have nothing smart to say and you don't really make any sense
I didnt agree with the fact they chose to give tamisha the hola hoop dance jnowing she had a colostomy she was clearly going to be careful and look uncomfortable i think it was unfair
l like that ths proves that kandy being in the top 4 was really fair, she actually did good in the season, it's just that the other top 4 did sooo amazng that it's hard for her to shine, and i would've loved if tamisha stayed longer honestly
I also did an Excel sheet of "what if S13 wasn't rigga morris" a month ago and Denali makes it to the final 4 but with 2 wins and 3 bottoms😂 Rosé was actually overlooked by judges (in favor of the rest of the top 4) and well kinda rigged to her favor by not landing in the bottom during the makeover (which could've actually sent her home because Tina CAN lipsync whilst Rosé went 0/3 for the season).
THIS tea. They're delusional stans. Rose never had a bad week, outside of the makeover and the first week, and I actually agree with almost all of her top placements on the actual show (and lowkey think she should've won snatch game but not the henny I shrunk the kids episode), but Denali? No ma'am. Far from high every episode.
I think their placements where deserved. But there's no way either of them ever win the crown unless there's no lipsync for the crown. Bc we know Rosé can't lip sync the best (putting it lightly)
Cant wait for drag race down under judged fairly, from what I’ve seen so far it seems like there is gonna be a lot of rigging in Scarlet and Karen’s favour which kinda sucks 😕
@@highonsugar6273 the producers including RuPaul have racist tendencies based on how they portray queens on the show. Queens of colour as villains seems to be a trend in rpdr yet they want to act woke 🙄 Now this with the favouritism of two queens who have been exposed as being racist asf
Four but yes she did win alot and was placed in the bottom twice, now the first time was not fair to put her there after that Rusical... But I don't know riggory in Kandys favor.
Giving her the win in snatch game is just overreaching, she was perfectly safe,people always over praise blm related things when they don’t really deserve recognition for anything other than the message so I mean thanks for representing but her performance was just safe and whoever think she should have won that is extremely delusional.
@@lilye6824 I agree, sort of like if Symone were in the top of course they were going to praise her outfit on a current movement & with all those compliments they could not just call her safe
I do think that sometimes they throw queens into safe to distract that they did amazing but Symone in the snatch game just wasn't that. She was a very strong 4th but she was essentially just playing Symone with her face painted to look old.
Nah all Symone's characters were different yall just hear the voice and automatically think its the same lol a meanwhile yall said nothing on Mik playing the same dumb blonde character
Utica? Utica was saved from the bottom. Yes, she should've been in the top in rusical but other then that she was quite favoured. Tina was actually more misstreated then Utica.
Benjamin Tič no she was no favored at all. Tina got away with red yellow and Orange but Utica is favored? That’s rich. Yes Tina got screwed in rusical and commercial but you have Gottmik to blame for that who did worse than Utica in both cases. Utica was not saved from the bottom undeservedly (her outfit in bead look got her out of bottom 2 and Gottmik is the reason Tamisha was thrown into disco not Utica). They crapped on Utica constantly, gave her a villain edit and robbed her of the ball. She was 100% mistreated.
@@phoenixrising7777 Gott did better in the commertial because Utica was a weird mess of an acid trip that no one enyojed. And Utica should've lip synced. Her outfit was good but her performance was by far the worst. And Tina did get away with some things but over all she was more misstreated then Tina. And personaly both Mik or Utica could've won this because Mik had way better first 2 outfits while Utica only beat her in 1. But both did good so its litteraly just if you prefer camp or fashion. And Utica gave herself the villain edit. They didn't edit anything, they just left her own actions in. And if anyone got the villain edit it was Tina and Kandy.
Benjamin Tič lol Gottmik and Olivia called out the villain edit on Utica so way to fall for it. The contract they sign allows production to “fictionalize” or misrepresent “for dramatic purposes”. They came out and admitted that they actually lied about the whole Max singing on stage thing. But you know not edited at all. 🙄 Hell, I edit film and that edit was shady as hell. Utica’s commercial had a better name, a clearer before and after and was more on brand than gottmik’s commercial. Olivia and Gottmik should’ve been in the bottom for that. For ball, main challenge matters most, cohesion is not a thing that has matter and it was not asked for, the judges had no complaints about Utica’s outfits......they complained about her walk so they could give their preordained fashion queen the win. Kim chi sucked at walking yet won her ball because it’s a design challenge not a walking challenge. Utica didn’t get away with being kooky and they tore her down to elevate Gottmik at every chance they got. She never got the free passes on makeup and outfits that Tina got. I do think Tina was wronged on rusical and commercial, but you are crazy if you think that Utica was favored.
Honestly i think Lala should have been high or even a double win with Liv, i know her look was just meh but her performance was INCREDIBLE, she knows how to do a performance and how to give the right facial expression. I was so gagged when the episode aired and everyone kept saying that Denali and Rosé were robbed when the truly robbed queen imo was Lala
Honestly, to me this is a good representation of when producer intervention is not necessarily a bad thing. Because Gottmik ACTUALLY going home in Episode 6 doesn’t sound like a timeline any of us want to live in lol
How would bumping rosé down from the top just cause shes done good in like every episode fair? Thats not being fair, shes doing what shes suppose to a slaying the competition. Bruh
You should call this videos "how *I* would've judged the season" because this is all your opinions and even here your favoustism towards some queens, and that's fine I just don't think you were fair lol
This. Like we know Symone wasn't in the top for snatch game and he comes in and says "mmmm yeah she wins". I get that you have to use your imagination some in these types of videos but it doesn't override real life.
There was no doubt that Symone was going to win, simply because she is THAT GOOD! However so many people were snubbed along the way, epically Demali and Tamisha. So seeing your scenario is defiantly a breath of fresh air.
12:34 In my opinion, Kandy won that lipsync but Symone had a much better track record - that is the reason why they were both saved instead of the producers making a rational decision: Either they want Symone to stay the front runner and rob Kandy OR they eliminate Kandy wrongfully and Symone probably become less eligible for the crown.
If Tamisha had still been there for the makeover they wouldve 1000% put her with Kandy for TV reasons. I guess this doesn't match with "fairness" really but that truly would've been iconic.
Love the video - My main disagreement though is that the Bo$$ lip-sync should have been a double save. There is debate over who won, but I think a general consensus is that both of the performances were good but not amazing, somewhere in the C- to B range. I think that makes the decision harder, but a decision can still be made either by parsing apart the differences in performance, or bringing in track record as a tie-breaker. Plenty of lip syncs have been close, but the double save was rarely used then, since it wasn't between two favorites. Personally, I thought the lip sync was a notable low point out of this season's lip syncs - if someone showed it to me out of context, I would probably guess that it was a double elimination before I thought it was a double save. I do love Kandy and Symone though, so I have to say I was glad to see them go on, even if I think it would have been more fair to eliminate one.
Am I the only one who doesn’t believe Symone should have won snatch game? I believe her snatch game performance was good but should have won? Over Gottmik Rosé or Denali?
2:31 Ngl, I do think that Joey should have been in the top over Rose. Rose's verse was fine, but her look kinda missed the mark where as Joey was absolutely eating the choreo, even in other queen's parts and her look fit the category more. Tamisha also looked incredible and had a great verse, so she could be there too. Let's be honest though, the only reason they put Rose in the top there was 'cause she was the "Known" queen.
Given Gottmik's absence as Paris in episode 9, Denali should've won, not Symone.. going by their performances and how they were received by Ru and the judges. Right?
So I made my own version of this season (unrigged obviously) and honestly I agree with a lot of this. There are a couple of things I changed though: Denali is in the winner’s group over LaLa (Denali is top 2 with Symone and then wins the lipsync, and LaLa gets a high placement, Utica is now top 2 with Rosé and Rosé wins the lipsync, I just don’t think a song like this is particularly suited to Utica’s repertoire). First 3 altogether episodes are the same, except I kept Rosé in the top for the rupaulmark channel challenge and took Kandy out of the top 3 (bc of the runway) and replaced her with Olivia Lux. Also, Denali is low bc of the runway, LaLa lipsyncs but still sends Kahmora home. Bossy Rossy: I actually bumped both Kandy and Symone down to safe. I moved Symone down because of her runway, to me it was underwhelming compared to others. Olivia still wins, with Rosé and Denali being high. Bottom 3 is same as yours. Rusical: Top 3 is the same. Bottom 3, Elliott is low, and this is not my double shantay, I sent Kandy home. Although this lipsync is good, it was very obvious to me that Symone won. Snatch Game: Rosé gets the win, with Symone and Denali being high. Tina and Tamisha are safe, and I actually put LaLa Ri in the bottom 2, but regardless she would send Elliott home. Makeover: Bc I only have 7 queens left I had to change the format a little, it went so that one queen made over another, and that queen made over a different queen and continues until we reach the beginning. Symone gets the win, with Tamisha being high. Rosé and Denali are safe, LaLa is low, Tina and Olivia lipsync and this is the double shantay, I think Tina would do just as well as we saw Olivia do. Commercials: I think the double win here would go to Rosé and Denali (come at me) I just think Denali would do a little better than Symone, not by much though, and Denali’s look for the runway would have killed. Olivia is safe, and Tina is low. Tamisha and LaLa lipsync, LaLa would go home unfortunately. Roast: Rosé gets the win, with Tina and Denali being high. Olivia is low, Symone and Tamisha lipsync and Tamisha would go home. Acting challenge: Olivia Lux is going to go home either way, and I also gave the win to Tina Burner. Honestly I didn’t know who to put in the bottom here, but I chose Symone bc I think Denali would have improved enough with acting to do well, also her (unaired) runway was better than Symone’s. Finale: Tina has 1 win and 1 bottom 2 placement, Denali has 2 wins and 0 bottom places, Symone has 2 wins and 3 bottom 2 places, and Rosé has 3 wins and no bottom placements. In pretty much every scenario, Denali wins, with Symone often being runner up. Same as this one, I had one scenario with a final 3 of Denali, Symone and Tina Burner.
Symone should have gone home when she lip synced against kandy because she didn’t know the song, you can see symone stop lip syncing in some parts. The judges came after Tina for not fully lip syncing her whole part in the rusical but they let symone do it
Okay. If Denali vs Symone lip synced on the first round of the finale, it will be a tossup. If it’s Gimme More, double save. They both will freaking SLAY it. But if it’s Work B*tch…. Sorry, but Denali will slay it. Denali has the energy to back it up, she can slay a high energy, dance song like this. Symone is an amazing lip syncer, don’t get me wrong. But girl, if Denali is at 100% Pure Love level of energy (which this honestly calls for more) and the most energy we’ve seen from her is when she threw off her coat in Bo$$, Denali will win that. If Denali wins against Symone, Denali will be crowned. Tell me otherwise.
20:45 i really did not underdtand why kandy won the roast. The one funny "bitch, she died" joke was taken from Lady Bunny's long-running roast set. Rose on the other hand came out there with confidence and roasted everyone off the top of her head. Such a power move and the set was great.
kinda sad that after the first episode we basically knew that everyone in the “losers” group weren’t set up to make it very far
No it predicted those who were good at lipsyncing and one of those people won the lipsync for the crown.
True, it was easier for production to know who removed faster.
@@gabnel1000 gottmik was on the winning group n denali on the losing group lol. i think it also served the purpose of justifying why someone was saved from or forced into lipsyncin, bc oh remember how she did in that one sudden death lipsync after 10min in the workroom?? yeah
@@waddledeedeee true
Honestly, I think the whole thing was for drama, and not actually indicative of who lipsynced well. I fully expected the producers to reveal it later.
imagine the amount of iconic untucked moments we would have if this was real with kandy and tamisha
We were robbed of it😂
Exactly! We could have had season 5 levels of Untucked!!!!
Good thing it’s a competition for people with talent and not fighting
Kevin R nah its a reality tv show with obvious favoritism, mistreatment and rigging
Robbed all because they wanted to end the story line fast and force Tamisha in the bottom 2
I just imagine the producers would pair Kandy and Tamisha for the makeover in a similar Sharon-Phiphi frenemies just for the sake of drama, and then throw them in the bttm2 to have their lipsync against each other
Yes fantasies are now going overboard.
@@Lsaldana92 I like to go all the way
Oh, absolutely that would’ve happened.
Or they could've won the challenge and blah blah blah friendship and everybody say love yknow
@@tunaburger5892 to be fair, I can see that happening too, because they're both extremely well put together and it would be good closure too. It would depend on how they'd embody each other
It was really dumb to send Tamisha home so early she was giving us what everyone missed from the earlier seasons
They used her to introduce Kandy into the front and center
@@tspopstar512 Kandy already seemed to be front and center
Yes but she had awful fashion
@@gabrielaegas5005 Atleast she made it all from scratch tho and didn’t have teams of people behind her styling her from head to toe like Gottmik and Kandy
@@moonlightbae6143 that is no excuse... if a look ain’t good, she is going to be low. Plus, miss Utica did her looks too. Just stop with the excuses lol. Did you expect miss Paul to carry Tamisha besides her bad looks and weak performances?
We aren't talking enough about how the season legit started with riggery. The choice of duos by the production for the lipsyncs in episodes 1 and 2 were fueled by strategy and/or favoritism.
@Beau Black Symone wasn’t favoured and Denali didn’t have that much riggory against her
they should have just kept the s12 twist, i enjoyed seeing each queens personality more and helped me set up my favourites, but the s13 twist... a choice
@@highonsugar6273 Symone had a lot of favoury let's be honest
@@natcook976 Where do you think was she favoured? I think she was one of the few who was always judged fairly and never saved
I think it was genuinely just who got there first
They kept Gotmikk out of the bottom because I think all the other queens would send Gottmik home. Maybe not Kahmora
Kahmora can if the outfit is right lol
Kahmora is an entertaining lipsyncer and can slay if she's not wearing the tightest dress of all time *coughs in her trains runway*
Pity Kahmora was in tight dresses both times she lipsynced...
I don’t think kahmora would’ve won against Denali either way but she would win against gottmik
Did you see the first episode ? Kahmora can lipsync. She'd definitely beat gotmik in a fair lipsync.
I'm gonna be forever salty that Utica didn't won the ball lol
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Like the critic that she got was, you was being you duing the presentation of your first two looks. I was like dafuq????
I would like just a ONE season where there was zero favoritism, production interference, or fan influenced decision making
Yeah season 1
I don’t think fans should take any part in the production of the show but I would like to see a season where they just let the competition play out. They did it on Next In Fashion and Glow Up, and it was really refreshing and cool to see.
@@tamzynholmes6804 well Bebe was kinda favored in season 1, also Nina's and Ongina's drag were very underestimated.
Production is necessary, but it needs to be polished, like UK1 and 2 (sure, there has been some controversy there too but not as obvious as in this season)
I think it's impossible to have a season with zero riggory, but nowadays they literally tell the queens what to do and say. This time they even photographed their looks and tested their lipsync abilities to make their schemes. Older seasons were different because the drama wasn't so artificial, also because the queens had to be more resourceful and weren't totally produced by other designers. I miss the challenges that required more creativity from them.
If Denali was in the finale, with 3 Britney Spears songs, she would slay all of them and take the crown
This ^
I know when they announced the songs Denali and LaLa were punching the air because they would have DELIVERED
they'd probably send her home anyways
Yeah i agree if it was actually fair denali would have won 100%
Yeah.
Honestly, a Denali vs Tina final lipsync would be fun because it would be ice vs fire.
Oooooooooh
I was with you until you said Tina sends Lala home in Episode 10. There's no way Tina is beating Lala in a lipsync, especially to "Shackles" lol.
denali being in the finale makes sense w my fantasy
her losing to symone does not
@@pinklemonade9653 her loosing the lip sync does not , her losing report card to symone does tho , you can’t lie
@@pinklemonade9653 delusion
LaLa would’ve MURDERED Tina to shackles. But i Can see Why you Eliminated her. Her track record is rough at that point
For sure, Tina is such a boring lip syncer imo and LaLa is The One, plus Shackles is her type of song tbh
my thought exactly lol
@@handsoaphandsoap yeah sure 👍🏼
If it really was fair Lala would be the Cheryl Hole of US drag race
The way Gottmik would’ve been sent packing on the discomentary episode
Fair,truly fair!
And the way the season wouldve been so bad with gottmik and utica gone back to back, so everyone say it with me. Thank you producers!
Why the F would Denali fans _want_ her to be safe in week 4?! Her *100% Pure Love* lip sync is one of the biggest reasons she became sooo loved by sooo much of the fandom early on. (Believe it or not, being in the Bottom 2 and absolutely KILLING it _can_ do even more for them then getting a challenge win.)
Also, personally, if I were to save anyone from the Bottom 3, it would be LaLa (Whom I found to be very “meh”.) and I would’ve replaced her with Elliott. (Whom, IMHO, did a _terrible_ job.) Buuuut switching someone out of the Bottom 3 really wouldn’t make any difference. So, whatevs. LOL.
According to Bob on sibling rivalry (and the roast Tina posted on twitter💀), she would've most definitely been in the bottom for the roast.
I thought her roast on twitter was great!
@@brookphillips1396 uhmm
The roast she posted online was HORRIBLE. Definitely would’ve been a bottom placement
Her roast on Instagram was definitely one of the best. She would be high or safe at the worst.
In this scenario she would be in the bottom with Symone because at least Olivia was funny but was really cringey but normal placements, Utica and Symone bottom
I think gottmik in the disco challenge is similar to the example you use with Symone in snatch game. There’s no way they could’ve put gottmik in the bottom without sending her home
If episode 2 had a bottom 2 she would of been eliminated by Kandy there aswell and she should of been in the bottom 2 for the commercial challenge over Tina
@@moonlightbae6143 #FACTS! I will FOREVER say that Gottmik should have been in the BTM2 for The Disco Ball & The Soda Brand. But, they gave her pass. Most definitely.
if Utica got eliminated in ep 7 we wouldn't have her ICONIC roast, it's so bad that it's so good at this point lmao
Her roast is the only memorable part of that episode. I love this reality 😍
Could you IMAGINE… Symone putting Tamisha in this BAPS look and Tamisha putting Symone in a classic pageant drag look 😻😻😻
There needs to be a series specifically on what seasons would be like without plot twists
I was thinking of this, thank you for saying it 🤩 I would totally love to see that but I doubt it would make much of a difference because most people that get brought back into the competition in ‘twists’ go home straight away
Btw every NYC queen said Tina was terrible in roasts. I think she would have taken Olivia's spot in the bottom
So then Kandy makes it to the finale again in that scenario
the only problem i have with this is Tina winning the roast. Apparently shes known to be very bad at roasts which is part of the theory on why they got rid of her before it. but its just a theory. a draaag theory
I was looking for this. You can see her part of the roast on RUclips with her burn book dress. It's not great & she had extra time to work on it
A DRAAAG THEORY I SEE UR REFERENCE
Yeah seriously. There's a couple videos of her attempting to roast and they are just. Not good. At all. They did her a service sending her home when they did.
Well it’s a good thing Tina didn’t win the roast in the video then
I love the fact that Tina was the robbed queen of the season and no one expected that
ok i'm not done the video yet, but for the bossy rossy challenge i don't think olivia would win in this scenario. Her character heavily relied on gottmik, and they bounced off one another amazingly. With Tamisha playing the role gottmik originally had, I think the win would go to symone or denali in this scenario.
For the roast, on sibling rivalry both monet and bob said Tina would do SOO BAD during a roast... they even said she would’ve gone home 😭😭
the video we waited for all our lives
my wifi said KEEP WAITING
I honestly don't think Elliott did a bad job in Bossy Rossy. Sure, she started out quiet and reserved in contrast to Tina, but she was able to meet the energy by the end. I honestly thought it was a better payoff than Kandy/Symone's scene, where they never really went beyond that toned down energy
Agree!!! Kandy was so one note, I was surprised when she got good critics.
Tbh for Bossy Rossy i thought Mik should have been high because I dont think Olivia would have been as funny without Mik describing it both performances relied in each other
Or double win
I think that LaLa would have been safe in the Snatch Game. In „Whatcha Packin“ she told Michelle that she wanted to do Big Freida and I think she would have slayed that since they are both big personalities and LaLa could have channeled her Southerness really well
I agree with pretty much all of this. Sad to not have Utica be some sort of lip sync assassin in that scenario, but it would have been cool to see Tamisha and Denali for longer.
Agreed
The question now becomes, what if Utica hadn't let Olivia take the mime role in Bossy Rossy?
Edit: my guess is that Utica would not have gone home even if it were fair. It would still be Lala Ri vs Elliott because Utica is good at physical comedy. She's really good at facial expressions (take a look at "you ever smoked" from ep. 4). But Olivia is not good at being "assertive", so she's gonna be low here. Lala is sent home.
This final four would've been a satisfying conclusion to the winners vs losers storyline
Symone’s outfit was better at Snatch game runway but I laughed the most at Rosè in snatch game and her runway was fine.I would pick Rosè to win Snatch game.That would be the only thing that I would change
I agree Rose was much better in Snatch Game . She should’ve won with this scenario
I agree too, as much as Symone killed the runway, the challenge carries more weight for me, and Rosé killed the snatch game
@@EscSłonecznika the thing is Rosé was funny cuz of her accent. Symone created a character. Of course we all have opinions though. I just think we have to keep in mind that most of Rose’s laughs were the same reason Ru loved Lawrence Chaney so much.
@@PotatoInABeanie symone brought back a character she had already played you mean
@@arranharvey6907 yes because every black character to yall is the same.
I can see Symone winning a final lip sync against Denali, but Denali is a WAY better lip syncer than Symone and I think it would have been less riggy to give the win of the initial finale lip sync to Denali instead of a double win, because the latter shows rigging in favour of Symone TBH
See, I disagree. Denali is great but there's no SAUCE...its real bland for ME. Symone got AAAAAAALL the sauce!
@@tamcar04 I do love symone but there was just a lot of walking around and lip syncing in those finale lip syncs for me tbh only Kandy turned out
@@essgee621 i agree with you on the both of your comments i love symone she deserved to win season 13 but if she was put against denali she would lose. Symone isn't really a high energy kind of girl while lip syncing (we saw that with her first bottom placement against kandy) her style of lip syncing is kinda focus on the face while denali is high energy but unlike symone she can give out great faces and also the finale songs are Britney Spears themed.
@@tamcar04 I don't really think Symone got the sauce, she literally just made the same facial expressions and finger pointing and that easily gets boring whereas Denali at least had solid dancing (I do agree both know how to sell a song)
@@beebeeguns1757 Yeah, Denali vs Symone could pretty much depend on the song and could go either way, but in this case, Denali would 100% win since its Britney bitch
Utica being 4th out, but getting a win, and not flunking every challenge after bring kept in the competition makes much more sense, it would wrap up her story perfectly, and not have her look like a clueless art queen.
This season’s riggory was insane. Almost every elimination made me question my sanity more and more.
Gotmik going home early ? Girl I’m scared to see the dislike numbers 😭
Aka people who can’t handle the truth because we all saw how much they had to edit Gottmik’s performance.
@@phoenixrising7777 I agree like remember the 4 way lip sync they did I the finale ? They practically edited gotmik out that entire lip sync which makes it obvious she did really bad and if anyone where to go home in it it would most likely be her
@@mckai4717 she actually was the 2nd best un the lipsync for what we saw
@@andricardenas7854 no body can possibly know that because she was practically edited out the entire thing and she’s proved twice she’s not the best lip syncer which would explain why she was practically edited out of it a lot of people not just me think she did very bad in it
in the season with most lipsyncs in herstory (23), Gottmik got away with m*rder one too many times. just by her getting paired with the only queen whose style could represent merely a mild threat in Utica, you could see she was wildly favoured this season. we all like and love Gottmik, but it's on the producers how she slalom'd this competition (to detriment of other queens, i.e. Utica twice).
I definitely dont see Symone winning snatch game over Rosé, but with Gottmik gone, she would indeed deserve to be high alongside Denali
Considering she wasn't even in the top for her performance originally? Like she caps out at 3rd place in that one.
The double safe was the biggest riggory of the season ROLL EYES.
Denali being in the finale makes TOTAL sense with my fantasy
this video made me really sad cause now i feel robbed of how many denali lipsyncs we could have had through the season and if she got to the finale it would be the most iconic finale ever
we were so robbed hope we can see her on drag race soon
Symone Winning no matter what... sits perfectly in my fantasy.
Yupppp ebony enchantress behaviour
RIGHT???????!!!!!!
Personally for Bossy Rossy, I think Symone won it because Olivias role relied on someone else and i don’t think Tamisha could help carry the role and Symone was just so strong and her look was amazing.
The person who can beat Denali in a Britney Spears smackdown hasn't born yet. So she would probably Sasha Valour the crown. Wait-. did I just use Sasha Valour as a verb? Uh- what's a verb? And why am I explaining myself?
it's a super verb
DENALI LOSING TO SYMONE??? not possible
From the jump this season had issues because I was honestly at the point with the first lip syncs that they were gonna gag everybody and say the losers were actually the winners. Denali performed and slayed a lip sync IN ICE SKATES? Some tomfoolery was afoot from the get-go in this season.
This season had alot going for it outside of "production rigging".
-talked about blm
-1st trans contestant on the show, meaning they came in trans openly
-tamisha showed what could be done even with her health issues
-alot of queens step out of the boxes they were put in, like mik being funny when she was deemed a fashion queen
-there was some cute friendships
It wasn’t the first trans contestant to come in the show openly, Gia came in all stars 4 as a trans women
@@highonsugar6273 i meant in a normal season, gia was coming back as a trans woman so to me thats different imo. Mik came in first time around as a trans male which is also different from gia coming back as a woman.
@@alexysgonzalez2274 yeah I guess so, but the production rigging actually helped the trans representation by having our first trans queen in the top four
That’s all true, but a video about the production rigging doesn’t devalue the good stuff about the season.
You can appreciate the great aspects of the show while criticizing it.
@@diogocanas1425 yeah there was lot of good for the "bad" if this season
honestly i think Gottmiks runway was going to save her even if she was in the btm & i think thats why Utica was in thr btm 3 weeks in a row not lipsyncing
Tell that to Kahmora hall.
@@phoenixrising7777 i mean they obvi werent gonna have a Lala vs Denali lipsync after that already happening in ep 1. Also, Denali had a storyline with Rosé & by that time Lala & Tamisha never adressed their drag family so.. it all worked out
The runways are never as important as y'all like to think. There have been tons of queens who did horrible in the challenge while looking great on the runway and being sent home. Gottmik's looks weren't that groundbreaking for her looks to save her from being bottom
@@IBBMS they only matter when its convenient lol
I think if Denali made top 4 she’d pull a Sasha and win - she’d have a trixie track record but I can see it
Lol but sasha’s track record looks more like denali’s then trixie’s
I do think that the double save came around because production shit themselves when Kandy outperformed Symone 😂
Unpopular opinion: Kahmora shouldn’t have been in bttm 2 ep4. Her train look should’ve saved her tbh.
Um no ma’am that acting performance was one of the worst in drag history.
@@procks1619 “I WAS ROOTING FOR US”
I wish we got to see the rest of her outfits on the main stage!
If Mik stans says that her crotch dress saved her from the Disco Episode. Then they should have saved Kahmora too
Man we got more tamisha , Denali and lala I love this version so much more
So you saying that Symone and Kandy doing different lypsing types deserves a double shantay, but Utica and Tina doing SO GOOD and different lypsincs doesnt?.... choices
Why would Symone win Snatch Game when her performance was just fine? Denali and Rosé were clearly better
nah she had a great performance Rose and Symone did the same snatch game but I don't see y'all calling Rose just fine y'all wired as hell
How did Rosé not win the Snatch Game. Respect your opinion but this is what i think should happend
EXACTLY!
@Todor Boychev Symone outshined Rose. That shouldn've have been a double win. Just a solo for Symone.
@Todor Boychev get ur sh!t right sir. She used a black accent and black mannerisms. It wasn’t the same voice. It’s only similar because it’s black culture. Symone still did good on the runway whether u like it or not. Symone got the most laughs and rupaul even sang her jangle... symone won the challenge because it was about branding yourself. Rose commercial was boring... white girl comedy no offence. There we like 2 likes in there that was half funny. But her runway was stunning and one of the best on the show (her only top rated runway) so there’s that.
Symone out did rose on the runway, and ppl just understood symone more. I think the origins tops of snatch game should have been gottmik symone and Denali. I really couldn’t care for roses runway. A mess
@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 the runway category was "beast couture"
not "fursuit furry fantasy"
not the drag detective already being rigged himself with the double save
What kept Utica from lipsyncing for the Bossy Rossy challenge was her runway!
honestly, for the double save, by your standards, i feel like utica v tina is harder to find a winner bc they took it to very different directions with really great performances. symone v kandy just seemed a little lackluster compared to utica v tina
but idk it doesn’t really matter bc utica v tina isn’t a scenario in this video
I never thought I'd be grateful for production saving Mik during Discomentary
Wait what's this Symone and Kandy podcast where they talk about the Elliot situation?
in my opinion, denali would win in every scenario in the finale, especially Britney songs that she slays, but symone would be second
Yeah but just like y’all were saying rose should have won cuz she got the most score... is the same thing here lol
@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 could you explain your argument because i don't understand what you're trying to say here
@@hristinazdravkovic1907 because at the end of the day symone would still have the most wins.. but 2 bottom placements and Denali would have atleast 3 or so and 1 win. Y’all wanted rose to win cuz of the score... so In ur scenario u want Denali to win but symone should still win because y’all want to go by scores
@@sinefromabovebabylon3577 @sinefromabove babylon i don't know who's this y'all you're referring to. It should be about how you did in the challenges plus the finale lip-syncs. Denali was in the bottom twice and won one, she was high in almost all challenges plus she's the best lip-syncer. In season 11 Yvie Oddly won even though she only had one win so we know that the scores aren't the most important thing. Symone is great but in my opinion Denali could have won if it were fairly judged. Please don't reply because i can see that you have nothing smart to say and you don't really make any sense
This season fulfills my Denali fantasy.
I didnt agree with the fact they chose to give tamisha the hola hoop dance jnowing she had a colostomy she was clearly going to be careful and look uncomfortable i think it was unfair
Tamisha going home before Eliott and Kandy was a crime.
Denali did not do better than Kandy in Bossy Rossy be fr lmaoooooooo
l like that ths proves that kandy being in the top 4 was really fair, she actually did good in the season, it's just that the other top 4 did sooo amazng that it's hard for her to shine, and i would've loved if tamisha stayed longer honestly
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This is honestly so perfect, this is how season 13 went in my mind I refuse to believe otherwise
The thing is I get it Denali and rosé are good but the only reason why fans always put them as winning or like very high is bc they like them.
I also did an Excel sheet of "what if S13 wasn't rigga morris" a month ago and Denali makes it to the final 4 but with 2 wins and 3 bottoms😂 Rosé was actually overlooked by judges (in favor of the rest of the top 4) and well kinda rigged to her favor by not landing in the bottom during the makeover (which could've actually sent her home because Tina CAN lipsync whilst Rosé went 0/3 for the season).
THIS tea. They're delusional stans. Rose never had a bad week, outside of the makeover and the first week, and I actually agree with almost all of her top placements on the actual show (and lowkey think she should've won snatch game but not the henny I shrunk the kids episode), but Denali? No ma'am. Far from high every episode.
I think their placements where deserved. But there's no way either of them ever win the crown unless there's no lipsync for the crown. Bc we know Rosé can't lip sync the best (putting it lightly)
Cant wait for drag race down under judged fairly, from what I’ve seen so far it seems like there is gonna be a lot of rigging in Scarlet and Karen’s favour which kinda sucks 😕
Racists love racists I guess 😍😍
@@throwaway2507 Ru is racist? 😲
@@highonsugar6273 the producers including RuPaul have racist tendencies based on how they portray queens on the show. Queens of colour as villains seems to be a trend in rpdr yet they want to act woke 🙄 Now this with the favouritism of two queens who have been exposed as being racist asf
@@throwaway2507 oh ok
@Todor Boychev who you saying bye to? who asked?
wait- are we going to ignore that Symone won 5 challenges?
She should’ve
Four but yes she did win alot and was placed in the bottom twice, now the first time was not fair to put her there after that Rusical... But I don't know riggory in Kandys favor.
@@julz3tt3 how was Kandy favored when she was in the bottom 2 three times
Giving her the win in snatch game is just overreaching, she was perfectly safe,people always over praise blm related things when they don’t really deserve recognition for anything other than the message so I mean thanks for representing but her performance was just safe and whoever think she should have won that is extremely delusional.
@@lilye6824 I agree, sort of like if Symone were in the top of course they were going to praise her outfit on a current movement & with all those compliments they could not just call her safe
I do think that sometimes they throw queens into safe to distract that they did amazing but Symone in the snatch game just wasn't that. She was a very strong 4th but she was essentially just playing Symone with her face painted to look old.
That. When I heard that Symone would win Snatch Game, my reaction was among “What are you on, girl? And can you give me some?”
If Gottmik isn’t there, I feel like Rosé probably takes it
Symone in snatch game was entertaining. Just ok, nothing else. Not high or win, just safe... I don't know what tv show the people saw
Nah all Symone's characters were different yall just hear the voice and automatically think its the same lol a meanwhile yall said nothing on Mik playing the same dumb blonde character
@@orangebiscuits3848 literally Symone, Mik and Olivia did the same character the whole season, but just Olivia was criticized by it...
I see the double save as something like the bendela and darienne save. They wanted to see more of them both
No it wasn’t. Gottmik and Kandy were favored and Tamisha, Denali and Utica were mistreated. (Cough disco, makeover, bag ball cough)
Utica? Utica was saved from the bottom. Yes, she should've been in the top in rusical but other then that she was quite favoured. Tina was actually more misstreated then Utica.
“What if.”
Benjamin Tič no she was no favored at all. Tina got away with red yellow and Orange but Utica is favored? That’s rich. Yes Tina got screwed in rusical and commercial but you have Gottmik to blame for that who did worse than Utica in both cases. Utica was not saved from the bottom undeservedly (her outfit in bead look got her out of bottom 2 and Gottmik is the reason Tamisha was thrown into disco not Utica). They crapped on Utica constantly, gave her a villain edit and robbed her of the ball. She was 100% mistreated.
@@phoenixrising7777 Gott did better in the commertial because Utica was a weird mess of an acid trip that no one enyojed. And Utica should've lip synced. Her outfit was good but her performance was by far the worst. And Tina did get away with some things but over all she was more misstreated then Tina. And personaly both Mik or Utica could've won this because Mik had way better first 2 outfits while Utica only beat her in 1. But both did good so its litteraly just if you prefer camp or fashion. And Utica gave herself the villain edit. They didn't edit anything, they just left her own actions in. And if anyone got the villain edit it was Tina and Kandy.
Benjamin Tič lol Gottmik and Olivia called out the villain edit on Utica so way to fall for it. The contract they sign allows production to “fictionalize” or misrepresent “for dramatic purposes”. They came out and admitted that they actually lied about the whole Max singing on stage thing. But you know not edited at all. 🙄 Hell, I edit film and that edit was shady as hell. Utica’s commercial had a better name, a clearer before and after and was more on brand than gottmik’s commercial. Olivia and Gottmik should’ve been in the bottom for that. For ball, main challenge matters most, cohesion is not a thing that has matter and it was not asked for, the judges had no complaints about Utica’s outfits......they complained about her walk so they could give their preordained fashion queen the win. Kim chi sucked at walking yet won her ball because it’s a design challenge not a walking challenge. Utica didn’t get away with being kooky and they tore her down to elevate Gottmik at every chance they got.
She never got the free passes on makeup and outfits that Tina got. I do think Tina was wronged on rusical and commercial, but you are crazy if you think that Utica was favored.
Honestly i think Lala should have been high or even a double win with Liv, i know her look was just meh but her performance was INCREDIBLE, she knows how to do a performance and how to give the right facial expression. I was so gagged when the episode aired and everyone kept saying that Denali and Rosé were robbed when the truly robbed queen imo was Lala
Symone still winning with no riggory? Drag excellence.
Honestly, to me this is a good representation of when producer intervention is not necessarily a bad thing. Because Gottmik ACTUALLY going home in Episode 6 doesn’t sound like a timeline any of us want to live in lol
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How would bumping rosé down from the top just cause shes done good in like every episode fair? Thats not being fair, shes doing what shes suppose to a slaying the competition. Bruh
The final 4 of Symone being the only POC left and still overcoming the odds is kinda funny to me
You should call this videos "how *I* would've judged the season" because this is all your opinions and even here your favoustism towards some queens, and that's fine
I just don't think you were fair lol
This. Like we know Symone wasn't in the top for snatch game and he comes in and says "mmmm yeah she wins". I get that you have to use your imagination some in these types of videos but it doesn't override real life.
Season 13 would be iconic if production wasn’t rigging the season.
Hi when is the Uk season 2 coming ?
This video is wild and Denali fans are reeeeeeally wild, they discredit the rest of the queens so so so hard
Not all of us do that
There was no doubt that Symone was going to win, simply because she is THAT GOOD! However so many people were snubbed along the way, epically Demali and Tamisha. So seeing your scenario is defiantly a breath of fresh air.
12:34 In my opinion, Kandy won that lipsync but Symone had a much better track record - that is the reason why they were both saved instead of the producers making a rational decision: Either they want Symone to stay the front runner and rob Kandy OR they eliminate Kandy wrongfully and Symone probably become less eligible for the crown.
I don’t remember the snatch game but I do remember that symone and Kandy were just themselves so I don’t think symone should have won
If Tamisha had still been there for the makeover they wouldve 1000% put her with Kandy for TV reasons.
I guess this doesn't match with "fairness" really but that truly would've been iconic.
“What if drag race was fair” *includes save *
Denali is really funny, you should watch the IMHO episode with her
Love the video - My main disagreement though is that the Bo$$ lip-sync should have been a double save. There is debate over who won, but I think a general consensus is that both of the performances were good but not amazing, somewhere in the C- to B range. I think that makes the decision harder, but a decision can still be made either by parsing apart the differences in performance, or bringing in track record as a tie-breaker. Plenty of lip syncs have been close, but the double save was rarely used then, since it wasn't between two favorites. Personally, I thought the lip sync was a notable low point out of this season's lip syncs - if someone showed it to me out of context, I would probably guess that it was a double elimination before I thought it was a double save.
I do love Kandy and Symone though, so I have to say I was glad to see them go on, even if I think it would have been more fair to eliminate one.
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I cannot tell Rosè from Denali apart, so the fact that you put them both next together makes everything so difficult for me haha
Honestly, in this case i think I would’ve double saved kandy and gottmik and later on sent kandy home when it was between her and symone.
On episode 3? Neither have a win and only 1 high a piece. And you couldn't edit a double save between Mik and Kandy ESPECIALLY to this song
@@Jhawk2711 Ik Ik but I like them both and I hate to see gottmik go out so early in this scenario. ESP as she had killer looks
You wouldn’t be able too cuz we’d all see how horrible gottmiks lip sync is.
Am I the only one who doesn’t believe Symone should have won snatch game? I believe her snatch game performance was good but should have won? Over Gottmik Rosé or Denali?
2:31 Ngl, I do think that Joey should have been in the top over Rose. Rose's verse was fine, but her look kinda missed the mark where as Joey was absolutely eating the choreo, even in other queen's parts and her look fit the category more. Tamisha also looked incredible and had a great verse, so she could be there too.
Let's be honest though, the only reason they put Rose in the top there was 'cause she was the "Known" queen.
Given Gottmik's absence as Paris in episode 9, Denali should've won, not Symone.. going by their performances and how they were received by Ru and the judges. Right?
And Denali wig was the most perfect thing in all Snatch Game herstory
Symone was funnier and had a better runway than Denali
So I made my own version of this season (unrigged obviously) and honestly I agree with a lot of this. There are a couple of things I changed though:
Denali is in the winner’s group over LaLa (Denali is top 2 with Symone and then wins the lipsync, and LaLa gets a high placement, Utica is now top 2 with Rosé and Rosé wins the lipsync, I just don’t think a song like this is particularly suited to Utica’s repertoire).
First 3 altogether episodes are the same, except I kept Rosé in the top for the rupaulmark channel challenge and took Kandy out of the top 3 (bc of the runway) and replaced her with Olivia Lux. Also, Denali is low bc of the runway, LaLa lipsyncs but still sends Kahmora home.
Bossy Rossy: I actually bumped both Kandy and Symone down to safe. I moved Symone down because of her runway, to me it was underwhelming compared to others. Olivia still wins, with Rosé and Denali being high. Bottom 3 is same as yours.
Rusical: Top 3 is the same. Bottom 3, Elliott is low, and this is not my double shantay, I sent Kandy home. Although this lipsync is good, it was very obvious to me that Symone won.
Snatch Game: Rosé gets the win, with Symone and Denali being high. Tina and Tamisha are safe, and I actually put LaLa Ri in the bottom 2, but regardless she would send Elliott home.
Makeover: Bc I only have 7 queens left I had to change the format a little, it went so that one queen made over another, and that queen made over a different queen and continues until we reach the beginning. Symone gets the win, with Tamisha being high. Rosé and Denali are safe, LaLa is low, Tina and Olivia lipsync and this is the double shantay, I think Tina would do just as well as we saw Olivia do.
Commercials: I think the double win here would go to Rosé and Denali (come at me) I just think Denali would do a little better than Symone, not by much though, and Denali’s look for the runway would have killed. Olivia is safe, and Tina is low. Tamisha and LaLa lipsync, LaLa would go home unfortunately.
Roast: Rosé gets the win, with Tina and Denali being high. Olivia is low, Symone and Tamisha lipsync and Tamisha would go home.
Acting challenge: Olivia Lux is going to go home either way, and I also gave the win to Tina Burner. Honestly I didn’t know who to put in the bottom here, but I chose Symone bc I think Denali would have improved enough with acting to do well, also her (unaired) runway was better than Symone’s.
Finale: Tina has 1 win and 1 bottom 2 placement, Denali has 2 wins and 0 bottom places, Symone has 2 wins and 3 bottom 2 places, and Rosé has 3 wins and no bottom placements.
In pretty much every scenario, Denali wins, with Symone often being runner up. Same as this one, I had one scenario with a final 3 of Denali, Symone and Tina Burner.
Symone should have gone home when she lip synced against kandy because she didn’t know the song, you can see symone stop lip syncing in some parts. The judges came after Tina for not fully lip syncing her whole part in the rusical but they let symone do it
Kandy missed some of the words too though
@@larey9484 I didn’t see that. I’ll go back and look
Not Utica and Gottmik going home early, gurl bye JAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAJ I love my look queens and I’m just gonna stick with it
Okay. If Denali vs Symone lip synced on the first round of the finale, it will be a tossup. If it’s Gimme More, double save. They both will freaking SLAY it. But if it’s Work B*tch…. Sorry, but Denali will slay it. Denali has the energy to back it up, she can slay a high energy, dance song like this. Symone is an amazing lip syncer, don’t get me wrong. But girl, if Denali is at 100% Pure Love level of energy (which this honestly calls for more) and the most energy we’ve seen from her is when she threw off her coat in Bo$$, Denali will win that. If Denali wins against Symone, Denali will be crowned. Tell me otherwise.
First time watching one of your videos but I’m really surprised with how I agreed with pretty much everything
Omg, imagine the finale with all Britney songs and Denali In it
20:45 i really did not underdtand why kandy won the roast. The one funny "bitch, she died" joke was taken from Lady Bunny's long-running roast set. Rose on the other hand came out there with confidence and roasted everyone off the top of her head. Such a power move and the set was great.
I do not agree with Symone winning the snatch game. She started very strong but she didnt mantain the level during the whole snatch game.