Perturabo (Making Metals Look Good) - HC 347
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- In this Hobby Cheating Tutorial, I take you through how to paint Perurabo, Primarch of the Iron Warriors and we deep dive on how to make True Metallic Metals interesting and get the grimdark in. Iron Within, Iron Without.
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You did it!
"Of course I am Alpharius, so I couldn't paint him." Psst, Vince, body paint exists :D
Yes, but I doubt GW would have accepted that to display in the case. ;)
But it COULD be a hobby cheating video
I'm glad it was you who painted Perturabo!
Iron within Iron without
Iron Within, Iron Without. :)
vince and perturabo. amazing combo
Thanks!
Vince , just a message to let you know that your videos are a great help/inspiration for me in my process of improving my painting skills. Thanks for everything you're sharing. You're a master.
Always happy to help!
I always found myself painting the yellow of the hazard stripes first and then painting the black over that to avoid needing many multiple layers to build up my yellow… but also because if my hand shakes and my lines aren’t too clean, I can use the black to “weather” the edges of the hazard stripes. Happy little accidents!
Ugh, my hands shake alot when Im trying to paint fine details as well, so frustrating!
Totally acceptable as well. :)
@@VinceVenturella One of the scariest parts of your journey as a painter is when you try and do things differently than the pros you see online on on RUclips. But damn if I don't love coming back to these videos because I always learn a new thing, a new way to do something, or just a different way to frame my goals in my head.
Thank you for all you do and will do.
My most recent project has been trying to finally get some decent NMM - and here Alpharius comes and shows a beautiful TMM tutorial! Truly the master of deceit.
Got 'em! ;)
love the intro haha miniac and ninjon
Great tutorial on how to bring more life/reality to TMM, all your teaching is extremely useful and appreciated. The two quotes ref “ happy little accidents” and “ good painting” are both also excellent reminders that I needed to hear. thanks very much for all your work, Vince!
Always happy to help!
I like this episode so much I will be using this on the next mini I do as I continue to improve my skill set
A very good point about the small bits of red as accents to draw the eye. This principle is often used very effectively in graphic design and illustration as well!
Absolutely.
Loved this Vince! Perty is the best, I’m starting an IW force for the new edition of heresy - just getting the oil wash knocked up now 😎 I love how quick you can get a lot of IW ready to go.
Watched this one twice! Doing an IW warsmith as a metallics study before I do my dark mechanicum tech priest (in which I really want his metallics to POP, since he's a Nighthaunt Scriptor Mortis with Tech priest manipulus armor and bits, so He'll have the ghosty bits contrasting with the beaten and worn metals)
Knowing how to do NMM is a big challenge for any hobbyist to learn, it looks goods and all the winners of painting competitions seem to do NMM when appropriate... but I still will always prefer TMM over NMM, I just think it looks better, thank you very much for another video Vince, whenever you put up a TMM video I know it won't be the same thing you've talked about in your last TMM focused video
Awesome video, Vince! Thank you! This video would apply to ALOT of what i'm currently working on.
Excellent!
After struggling over and over restripping multiple times to try get my archaon on horse to look like the box art bronze nmm, I ended up going with tmm and I'm really glad, its not as crisp as the gw pics or as nice on picture but I so far the helm looks great and I've even added little battle scratches across one eye and on the bottom of his helm really thankful for all your tmm in nmm style videos :)
Thank you Vince! Feel like should get my oils out more often ^^ such a cool paint job.
Thanks!
Iron within! Iron without! Love watching you do metals they always look amazing
Thanks!
Another great video, HOWEVER, the 80's axe solos in the background were top notch
Glad you liked it!
Even though it's the rival of objectively the best primarch, Dorn, this is a great painjob. I'll be using some of these tips on Helbrecht (heresy, I know)
No heresy detected for me. ;)
I have the Darkstar metallic paints coming from Duff, so I have been looking for something just like this to be a bit of a TMM map. Perfecto.
Happy to help!
I actively play iron warriors, and ngl the white over black for the hazard stripes is 👌
I typically paint the panels yellow then line the black, but man that yellow looks crispy.
Happy to help!
Great stuff friend 👏 👍
Thanks!
In my testing I have found that contrast medium is more matt than the contrast paints themselves. So thinning with contrast medium not only keeps it's properties, but also matts them down more, which can be beneficial when your are working on the shadows of the TMM parts.
Yep, indeed.
Damnit Vince, I was thinking about doing Emperors Children for heresy but you're making Iron Warriors look too good, and I know they're a dream to do for standard legionaries... Brilliant purple and your gold mix or greasy, sexy steel... such difficult choices.
Tough decisions for sure.
Staining from oils can also depend on the pigments. Vandyke Brown is a very dark brown that has staining properties. So it will stain even if you wipe it off right away. Asphaltum Black is also a staining oil you could try.
An excellent point.
I keep switching back between TMM and NMM. both have their uses and i love them. Also I would love for you to do a TMM steel sword tutorial!!
Great suggestion!
Wow this is a really great Alpharius paint job.
He blends right in. ;)
Great video as always, Vince.
I've reentered the hobby fairly recently and you've been a great help in relearning how to paint my minis and methods to refine my diminished talent. The content creators on RUclips, chiefly yourself, Brent from Goobertown, Atomsmasher, and others have given me many hours of instruction and knowledge.
So... since you've been here forever and I watched your channel before and now... what ever happened to Mr. M(something) and Anthony from The Sustainability Center? Gone for good? New channels? Lurking elsewhere? I was trying to find my old list of subscriptions and there aren't many of that old group still around.
Again, thanks for the continued instruction, entertainment, and information
Malorian, and yep, they all moved on into other things. Left the RUclips game. :) - and thanks, always happy to help
Always preferred TMM over NMM. Even had a reason to hunt down Seb Archers old CMoN tutorial last week.
Seb is awesome
Perty is my favorite primarch model, even though he is not my favorite primarch.
Yeah, it's a great model
Excellent results. I can't wait for the day they bring out a demon Perturabo for 40k in plastic.
That would be awesome.
Love the videos Vince. Have any tips for painting tarnished silver well?
Liberal use of some gentle sepia tones to infuse the metal with yellow/brown.
Thank you
Welcome!
Thanks, this is perfect for my Bretonnian knights.
Excellent!
The video and audio on your videos is really improving, it looks great. I'm struggling with video quality recording on my cellphone, what kind of camera are you using?
Canon Rebel T7i DSLR with a macro lens.
Honestly I never understood the NMM hype when you can get results like this with TMM if you just take your time with them.
I think Richard Gray made a really compelling argument on his recent Rogal Dorn video where he made the point that when you do a really good job with TMM you're still beholden to the shine on the model. I think that's valid but this also looks incredible in its own way.
Because you can control where the reflections are with nmm. With Tmm you can only control that to an extent by using transparent pints and washes to darken shadows and take away some of the reflective properties.
Thank you, in my estimation both can have great uses and achieve amazing results - I am always trying to grow with both. :)
Damn, Alpharius really knows how to paint TMM!
Gotta be ready to “blend” in all situations. ;)
Good video Vince! Love some TMM but have just started learning NMM. Does the NMM philosophy transfer across to the shading of TMM, what about secondary reflection?
Yep, though you can just leave that area less shaded and the metal will do the secondary reflection for you. :)
I’m curious who paints the primarch version of Alpharius. The non twin brother painted here was great too.
OmegonEdge painted the actual Alpharius, I handled his twin in disguse here. ;)
How will the Citadel metallics do in comparison to the Vallejo ones you've used?
I've not ventured much into other ranges myself yet. Excellent video! I always struggle making metallics not look flat. Thank you!
Poorly, but if it's all you have, it's fine. :)
If I wanted to do a zenithal of the bronze color instead, should I use the GSW pigments mix? What would I just got the shade and the highlight?
Yes, that would work fine, moving into silver inclusions for highlights and something like Rhinox hide or a similar for shadows.
Great video. Lots of great information. My biggest issue with metals is finding a brush that can handle the metal pigments and also be precise. Or is it a myth that you can’t use a sable brush with metallics? Thanks :)
I was wondering the same thing about the sable brush!
So in general, metallics will ruin your sable brush (imagine washing your own hair with metal flakes and how well that would go). That being said, if you're willing to bear the cost, they are fine. I often move my sables once they've lost their tip to the metal phase, where they are still sharp enough to do this work, but not sharp enough for fine matte detail.
@@VinceVenturella Thank you so much Vince!!!!!
Looks awesome! Quick question regarding your initial oil wash, since it’s something I’ve only done a couple times and saw meh results. Did you do anything like a gloss varnish before applying the first oil wash, and/or did you dip your clean-up sponge in a solvent like mineral spirits?
Nope and nope. If you need to use mineral spirits to clean up, you want like a single drop in your sponge, it's very powerful. It's really just a matter of practice, because you have to find the right mix and then wait the right amoutn of time. So it's just experiementation more than anything.
@@VinceVenturella appreciate the insight! Thank you! You truly make me a better painter so very appreciative of you and your channel!
Beautiful work, as always, but I do have a seemingly odd question: given all of the warm colors in the scheme, would going with a cooler-colored oil wash, like a Payne's Gray, instead of a brown/black, serve to dial up the color contrast, or would it just wash out the bronze/brass/gold colors too much?
Just curious about the factors driving the decision...
Lamp black has a bit of blue in it compared to Ivory black.
@@jiffah beg to differ... Ivory black stands in for blue mixes in Zorn, and runs moderately cool, whereas lamp black comes across as pretty neutral. Cut with a bit of zinc white, if you're looking to suss out the differences. Really, though, the question is pointed more towards the brown tone, versus the blue that the ultramarine (as in lapis lazuli, not the Astartes chapter, for those reading along...) in a standard Payne's gray would bring.
Yes, it certainly could have worked, in this case, the choice to integrate the browns was intentional, as it would leave a slight patina of "grime" and this is a dirty scene. So basically, although that contrast is realistically correct, I went for the thematic choice because I liked what it would do with the temperature and feel of the overall piece and it's grime.
@@VinceVenturella Noted, and thank you for all of the excellent information and work in your videos. There's a lot to be learned here...
I cannot get a vision of Vinci V just dipping the end of his chin in a can of kiwi boot polish it just wont go away.
Well, if it ever goes all the way grey...
Any suggestions on painting shadows on black armor in a snowy enviorment? Kinda feel like I've painted myself into a corner.
That’s a very, very specific request, but in simplest form, it should be a warm shadow, like some slight red infusion ( cold highlight, warm shadow)
I don't suppose you have an Amazon link to a decent supply of bulk synthetic brushes? That's something my local Michael's only sells truely crappy versions of, and there's so many on Amazon that I have no idea where to begin.
I wish I did, I am trying them myself all the time and they are always changing.
Absolutely wonderful video, but can I just say, as a Canadian, the American Midwest accent is like bionic reading for the ears. Took me until that was invented to figure out what I like about it so much!
Yep, it's often the lack of any detectable accent, it's the "neutral" (as much as anything can actually be that).
Really good video Vince, music a bit loud thou. :-)
Yep, I’ll work on the music balance
Why did you add contrast medium to a contrast paint? Does that make it settle in the crevices more?
Compared to water it does; dries slower too. Although here Vince used contrasts to glaze in the shadows of the metallic and not letting it run freely on the model.
Thinning with contrast medium helps keep the properties of the paint.
Yep, what was said above.
How to seal such a mini best without the metallic becomes a dull gray?
I don't varnish minis such as this, no real need to varnish the metallics. :)
Do you varnish after you finish minis like this that are mostly metallic colors? And if yes, whats do you use? Matte, Satin or Gloss?
Nope, no varnish.
@@VinceVenturella do you recommend that I don't varnish Iron warriors? I would like to paint iron warriors but I am afraid of damaging the paint job. I got a lot of forge world kits.
Oh, alpharius, nice, hi, I'm Gary, I'm new here at the alpha legion, do you know where I'm supposed to go to drop off my transfer paperwork?
Cool video, going to keep that idea for the use of reds in mind, and I too love me some true metallics.
Excellent!
What medium do you use with the oils? Thanks
No additional medium, just solvent in the form of white spirits.
@@VinceVenturella perfect, never used anything but acrylics but will give this a go
Did you happen to film the painting of his base?
I didn’t unfortunately, but it was a lot of weathering and streaking.
Are you quoting @Majorkill ? “Let’s get into it…”
Nope, just what I've always said. Maybe he's quoting me. ;) (Just a common turn of phrase of course). :)
@@VinceVenturella I'm gonna guess that real just calls to real, great minds and all that ;D
That “bronze” looks more like brass. Did GSW mislabel it?
Bronze and Brass can be so close, but yes, it's a little off.
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:)
When you say "we have a Patreon" I am curious, who do you mean besides yourself?
The Royal 'We' I suppose, but I mean, I do have cohosts on my weekly show. :)
iron within...farts without
Something about that seems off, hmmm...I'm sure it's fine. ;)
;0)
When you put the oil wash over the metals did you gloss varnish first to aid the flow or just put the oil wash straight on? Does an enamel wash differ in this regard from an oil wash?
I, personally, don't like the grimy look on my models. I want my characters to look after their gear! What self respecting dwarf turns up to battle covered in filth!? No, they're gonna oil and polish it, hammer out the dings and dents and repin the links!
But this causes problems with many of recommendations for doing metal. Airbrush black/dark silver/bright silver obliterates all the separation so I need to go back in and readd the recesses. This is time consuming. So an oil wash is great! But it leaves things looking...well...dirty.
Is there an *efficient* way to airbrush my metals, then readd the shadows for definition while getting a clean finish at the end?
Nope, but these metals are really smooth and glossy, so they're doing most of the work for you.
@@VinceVenturella Cool, ok, no need to varnish in between for the wash. And for cleanliness I juess just be very thorough with the sponge/cue tip afterwards
Video 👍 Music 👎 (Sounds like a chase from Starsky & Hutch!) Very distracting. Would much prefer just the calming tones of your voice 🙂
I agree, both too loud (compared to your voice Vince) and too busy.
I am working on balancing that out, trying to find the right mix for everyone and the various ways they listen. :)
I agree it was a bit to loud.
Al-FAR-REE-US. Not AL-FAIRY-US. He is a demi-god, not Tinkerbell.
I bet if I believed in him enough he could fly. ;)