Very insightful video in theory, however I am not sure about the viability of this tactic coming from someone so new to smash ultimate. Perhaps if he had some top level competitive background in say Smash 4 I would have an easier time trusting this player
Idk if you read these but thanks for these guides dude. You're helping me get better and inspiring me to improve a little each day. Btw I went to Chillán during the summer to visit my fiancée and I was so shocked to learn that you were from there. Poggers.
How to ledge trap in Ultimate Step 1) Belmonts Step 2) Press random directions and B Step 3) ??? Step 4) Profit (This post was made by the BELMONT gang)
Hey zero you probably won't see this but if you want to keep doing these tutorial/guide videos, one idea I saw an overwatch youtuber do a while ago is let people submit videos of their matches and you watch it and review what they did wrong/what they could do better.
Zero proceeds to demolish all other non-pro RUclipsr videos trying to teach Smash edge guarding by coming out with a more advanced concept ledge trapping. He is the most interesting Man in the.. I mean best Smash 4 player
A no nonsense guide that just taught me the thing I wanted to see and very well too. Seeing options broken down and the whole "options" concept applied to a real scenario has definitely helped me begin to understand this game better. So, thank you.
This is probably the most useful Ultimate guide you have done yet. My old ledge guarding method was just waiting for them to come up [unless I could attack]. This makes way more sense.
This is your best guide yet. This is one thing I've been struggling with understanding, even though I sorta understood the concept I didn't really get "how" to ledge trap. I think I have a good grasp of it now, so this is pretty great.
You might accidentally fall in love with the game and try a locals. Get 0-2’d and either play red dead or keep coming back to learn more and make friends. That’s usually how it works.
Izaw is great at complete guides and tech found out by multiple people who help him (he has the best editing no contest). Beefy Smash Dudes are great at concepts, testing advance tech, and showing every character in certain situations (like seeing which character can be hit by this or do this tech skill). Zero is great at explaining concepts that would be useful in the competitive scene (since he’s proven to master each concept he explains in real time) as well as viewing characters in the competitive eye since he was best at a game that was closest to this game. Leffen gives more of a view from a player who understands fighting games, he really gives some insight into into looking at this game more objectively (watch his Tweek/Dabuz analysis, there’s some golden nuggets in that if you’re trying to understand how this game is supposed to be played). Dabuz is great for understanding option coverage and very specific interactions the best, has notes on everyone he analyzes). Nario is just entertaining to watch him casually dominate ppl haha. You can literally learn everything you would need to know (outside of some characters that they don’t cover). And if mysmashcorner comes back, he’s is like izaw and beefy smash dudes but also features top players in character guides. It’s awesome all of these guys can do this pretty much full time, that’s not always been true
Zero, regarding Lucina's neutral B getup on shields; you could release the shield as it's about to hit to perfect parry, or get hit by the move if released too early. It doesn't necessarily have to be a big punish.
@@captainnwalps6689 I highly doubt it. Due to a lot of attacks having high shield damage, learning the technique that can mitigate shield damage is invaluable. There's no way they _aren't_ learning to parry.
If your good at parrying, you can use the shield method vs a lot more players. Shield breaker can be parried, and if you do that, it leaves marth/lucina wide, wide open.
So, a note on doing this with Incineroar, the generally ideal option to punish ledge rolls is a back throw. It starts killing around 90 by itself, and if the opponent has a recovery you can exploit with Revenge, it works even earlier.
I honestly thought when I started looking up your videos that when you say ''hiEre'' it was a total joke but dammit..... crack me up every time. Thanks for all your content /guidesZero.
ZeRo, thank you a lot for this video. I’m really trying my best to improve as much as I can and this one opened my eyes to how much easier it can be by shielding and reacting. I’ve been putting way to much effort into guess work when I was able to react to it consistently. Thank you for all this educational content, it means a lot and is doing wonders
As someone who has always over-relied on Jumping and smash attacks for offensive options, I've been struggling with punishing people getting up from ledges in Ultimate. It's kind of a nice to have a simple video point out that "Yes, there are other simple options, such as just waiting and shielding, that will work better." Appreciated, man.
Something that ZeRo didn't mention in this video, is that if you are playing a character with a counter, and you read a getup attack or a double-jump aerial, you can counter at the edge and it can easily kill them if they are at high %'s.
It's important to say that every strategy has its pros and cons... In the case of ledgetrapping close to the ledge with your shield on, apart from the punish shown with shield breaking, there is another punish even more basic: normal get up to grab. You really have to be aware of the most of the posibilities and... well, this is when the mind games begin.
A move I have been messing around with (Inkling) is to jump on ledge right after them (super tight window, spent 5 hours in training to get it consistent enough to make it worthwhile) and when they r thrown off jump and spike. If they've seen it before, force them into the situation using the gun to waste their jump and a bomb to take away the options of getting on without grabbing the ledge or hesitate to throw off the timing. Its nice to use sparingly as its quite risky, but nice to make a comeback on a low % opponent. Its kind of like a trick play in football when down and u need a big play.
So it turns out this guide was for something I've naturally been doing already, just less successfully than ZeRo, and didn't know there was a special term for it. Video did give me some ideas to improve though!
I'm loving the comment sections on these videos 😂 so much love towards Zero. On a side note, how much lifting do I need to do to get Chrom's delts and triceps, I mean dang, they crazy
ZeRo - In your introduction, you forgot to mention you were the best player in the world in the previous Smash game, _Smash Bros. for the Wii U._ I'm not being sarcastic. You should be proud of that claim.
I main Roy/Chrom and even tho this works for all characters it's so nice to be able to see with one of those characters. It just clicks so much easier. 😁👍
I struggle at this with most characters but with Brawler a well placed shotput covers pretty much every option including waiting on the ledge. You can also just get walled out by a dozen shotputs if you get caught by them offstage. That move can be really annoying if you have a bad recovery.. Good Belmont players can also just murder you with axes but they don't have the bounce and are easier to get under. But then there's usually the Holy Water in your way. Oh and Wolf's upsmash is really good for catching most options from the ledge if you miss or can't get the 2-frame. That move has really silly range and does a lot of damage. Also a pretty good combo ender.
Really enjoy these videos you make. Thanks for putting in the work on these. Much appreciated. Quick question: What's more ideal? Ledgetrapper or edgeguarding? Is it a general rule to edgeguard if they are high percentage and ledgeguard if they are at low percentage? Does it just depend on your character's strengths? Thanks!
ZeRo is kind of genius actually. 🤔 *Right* when the game came out and everyone needed help he let everyone know he was the best in the world. Now that everyone knows that he's got us eating out of his hands.
Listen folks...just do a slow roll from ledge on stage..it will avoid all ledge traps if the person is standing near the ledge which 90% percent of cocky players do, they usually wont see it coming because there so focused the on the ledge trap game. But its only good once or twice per match. Most players will catch on
I can explain dor you. Lucario used to be trash at low percents because lack of damage and a threatening presence. Then they buffed his aura and base damage so that even in low percents lucario has several options and at high percents he is busted strong and can easily stay alive
@@hotsauce8780 lucario's aura was toned down a little but his base power was increased to compensated, but in terms of knockback, smash 4 lucario full aura with a full charge up smash kill a ganondorf at 0% whether in ultimate ganondorf die at 21% with a full aura powered up smash
ZeRo, one day (maybe probably not) we shall meet in a finals. You are my goal. Getting the win over you will mean the world to me. I'm still learning but don't let that fools you, I may possibly be the one you pass the torch to. Who knows lol thanks for making all these guides, been out of the loop for years (played a few local tournaments but honestly not much of a competition here, really wish I was demolished to learn but alas, local competitors back in the day was non-existent here.) Really hope we meet in a finals one day. Thanks once again for all the recent guides, been definitely helping me learning the basics. Once I get that down I'll be able to flourish in my own and hopefully face you at a tournament. I like to dream big, don't judge me lol
yeah but like, he didn't say anything about who he is, so he might be trash at smash for sure, im sure he didn't even do a +50 win streak at tournaments.
Everytime ZeRo doesn't flex at the start of his videos, a part of me cries. I need the Smash 4 flex in order to live.
He's no longer confident in his smash 4 skills is why.
Rip
He remembered Nairo :(
All of me cries tbh.
I dunno bout you though.
True
Well since he never told us, im assuming he was trash at smash 4
Yea mustve lost evo
@@Mariomikester But he must have won his own Saga at least
He traaaassshhh
Hahahahhaa
I think he hasnt played it yet
Very insightful video in theory, however I am not sure about the viability of this tactic coming from someone so new to smash ultimate. Perhaps if he had some top level competitive background in say Smash 4 I would have an easier time trusting this player
Tristo3399 I was so close to r/whoosh-ing myself
Tristo3399 Nah a competitive brawl background would be better
@@JamesBilliam Nah, we need a Melee background for that.
Nick Story nah we need a competitive 64 background
@@bitchman05 is this a meme? I don't get it
h
DMCdaJUICE try raising your hands to catch the joke
Wait what? Who is this guy he didn't say he was the best in the world with a 50+ winstreak so I don't know if I can trust him
Enigma I guess you’re right. I might have to check my sources again
The joke
------
Your head
@@stevenjp911 Moron.
Belmont mains : “What a useless video” *Goes back to spamming down B in elite smash*
*the b button
Its not just down b
Idk if you read these but thanks for these guides dude. You're helping me get better and inspiring me to improve a little each day.
Btw I went to Chillán during the summer to visit my fiancée and I was so shocked to learn that you were from there. Poggers.
ay congrats on the marriage man
How to ledge trap in Ultimate
Step 1) Belmonts
Step 2) Press random directions and B
Step 3) ???
Step 4) Profit
(This post was made by the BELMONT gang)
axes, axes for days.
And also the fact that their f smash can be angled down to hit people still on ledge.
How to not get ledgetrapped
Main pikachu
*clan
Or. Or.
Step 1) K Rool
Step 2) B
Why did RUclips recomended me this guy's videos ??? I only watch top best smash players
Sesses you mad
C O wdym he could just be some noob trying to get some clicks! If he was a top player then i could trust him
Like Alpharad
bLizzolino - Rocket League exactly! Why should i trust this random guy?!
This is the guy that got a +50 lose streak in sm4sh
Everyone commenting how he controls cpu or the best player joke
But no one mentioned that this entire video is Chrom hitting Lucina
This is why Chrom gets the best dad award
Holy shit you're right
😳
Classic dad
It's called disciplining his daughter
Is this the best smash 4 player in the world? He didn't say.
He sucked with every character ecxept duckhunt dog. His Duckhunt dog is the only charachter he can viably play at tournaments.
Dang you beat me to it
@Kenny Lay you're wrong, he was strictly a luma main. No Rosalina, just Luma.
@@Soup_SSB Yeah, what people don't know is that Dabuz was so good in Smash 4 because ZeRo was playing as Luma helping Dabuz and his Rosa. :v
Nah, this is one of those meh players from smash 4.
"i recommend reacting"
oh ok
I know right i tried that but I got youtube copyright strikes
hi guys im ZeRo and i was the best ledgetraper in smash 4
Lies, lies, lies
Squiddles
wooosh wooosh wooosh
Phil Swift actually whoosh to you
no he wasn't I'm the best ledgetrapper
Phil Swift you mean I can whoosh you when I am joking? Isn’t that the whole point?
“Roy on steROYds”
haaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Ha. Ha.
Hey zero you probably won't see this but if you want to keep doing these tutorial/guide videos, one idea I saw an overwatch youtuber do a while ago is let people submit videos of their matches and you watch it and review what they did wrong/what they could do better.
Yeah I saw this type of videos but stragey games like hoi and eu4
A splatoon youtuber used,to do this as well
Zero proceeds to demolish all other non-pro RUclipsr videos trying to teach Smash edge guarding by coming out with a more advanced concept ledge trapping. He is the most interesting Man in the.. I mean best Smash 4 player
I feel bad for these old positive comments
Who is this guy?I can’t trust his guides.He has to have atleast a 50+ win streak and be the best sm4sh player.
Yeah, how about you go do some research?
Shut the FUCK up
Yeah I can’t trust him
I swear these people cant tell what sarcasm is
@@brogo4 you good though
A no nonsense guide that just taught me the thing I wanted to see and very well too. Seeing options broken down and the whole "options" concept applied to a real scenario has definitely helped me begin to understand this game better. So, thank you.
Rob's Nair covers every option
Cascade I think Ridley’s nair does too
Including dropping off of the ledge and jumping back up, possibly with an attack or airdodge?
@@arstulex It covers *every single option*
If you try to quit out, sorry but that ROB Nair's gonna fly out the fucking screen to catch you.
This is probably the most useful Ultimate guide you have done yet. My old ledge guarding method was just waiting for them to come up [unless I could attack]. This makes way more sense.
Please don't use this music changing volume when you speak it's actually horrible with headphones on lol, your usual way is fine
+
I probably didn't mind it since i love XC2 soundtrack, but I'll upvote for visibility anyway
This doesn't get talked about as much as lots of other things. This is a big concept I still needed to learn so thank you!
Who is this guy? I heard a legend of a once unbeatable Smash 4 player; today we have all those guides from virtually unknown creators. It's a shame.
This is your best guide yet. This is one thing I've been struggling with understanding, even though I sorta understood the concept I didn't really get "how" to ledge trap. I think I have a good grasp of it now, so this is pretty great.
I only play casually with friends, and I'm still watching this. What's wrong with me.
Zach so you can bring it out and rock your friends. Don’t lie Zach you wanna be the best
You might accidentally fall in love with the game and try a locals. Get 0-2’d and either play red dead or keep coming back to learn more and make friends. That’s usually how it works.
What Charles said you want them tactics to flex on ya friends
We all wanna destroy our friends on smash, don't worry
Zach You're fine. I don't even own a Switch and I'm watching this...
Izaw is great at complete guides and tech found out by multiple people who help him (he has the best editing no contest). Beefy Smash Dudes are great at concepts, testing advance tech, and showing every character in certain situations (like seeing which character can be hit by this or do this tech skill). Zero is great at explaining concepts that would be useful in the competitive scene (since he’s proven to master each concept he explains in real time) as well as viewing characters in the competitive eye since he was best at a game that was closest to this game. Leffen gives more of a view from a player who understands fighting games, he really gives some insight into into looking at this game more objectively (watch his Tweek/Dabuz analysis, there’s some golden nuggets in that if you’re trying to understand how this game is supposed to be played). Dabuz is great for understanding option coverage and very specific interactions the best, has notes on everyone he analyzes). Nario is just entertaining to watch him casually dominate ppl haha. You can literally learn everything you would need to know (outside of some characters that they don’t cover). And if mysmashcorner comes back, he’s is like izaw and beefy smash dudes but also features top players in character guides. It’s awesome all of these guys can do this pretty much full time, that’s not always been true
This sounds like a comment made on adderall. Calm down.
Zero, regarding Lucina's neutral B getup on shields; you could release the shield as it's about to hit to perfect parry, or get hit by the move if released too early. It doesn't necessarily have to be a big punish.
Samus Aran none of the “top smash players” are even trying to learn the perfect parry
@@captainnwalps6689 I highly doubt it. Due to a lot of attacks having high shield damage, learning the technique that can mitigate shield damage is invaluable. There's no way they _aren't_ learning to parry.
It goes without saying. You better learn fundamentals and consistency before trying to parry in high-risk situations.
Watching Chrom beat up his daughter for 10 minutes sure was entertaining.
If your good at parrying, you can use the shield method vs a lot more players. Shield breaker can be parried, and if you do that, it leaves marth/lucina wide, wide open.
I don’t even have the game or even a switch yet I’m watching this lol
Hey man I still have a wii not even a wii u
The community for this game is incredible. Much love to you all.
So, a note on doing this with Incineroar, the generally ideal option to punish ledge rolls is a back throw.
It starts killing around 90 by itself, and if the opponent has a recovery you can exploit with Revenge, it works even earlier.
Spoiler alert...
Chrom VS Lucina is totally child abuse....
I honestly thought when I started looking up your videos that when you say ''hiEre'' it was a total joke but dammit..... crack me up every time.
Thanks for all your content /guidesZero.
ZeRo, thank you a lot for this video. I’m really trying my best to improve as much as I can and this one opened my eyes to how much easier it can be by shielding and reacting. I’ve been putting way to much effort into guess work when I was able to react to it consistently. Thank you for all this educational content, it means a lot and is doing wonders
As someone who has always over-relied on Jumping and smash attacks for offensive options, I've been struggling with punishing people getting up from ledges in Ultimate. It's kind of a nice to have a simple video point out that "Yes, there are other simple options, such as just waiting and shielding, that will work better." Appreciated, man.
These videos are a life saver. I didn't even know this was possible.
I think he's the worst player in the world. He never said he was the best
Wot
Morten Andre issa joke
🤔🤔🤔 😑 TRIGGERED
That's why he's the best. If he doesn't say it, people think he's the worst. It's a next level mix up.
@@CylonDorado Ok, this is epic
Anyone else bugging out from zero controlling the cpu with his voice?
idk if u joking or not but he has a guy with him that controlling the cpu and hes telling him what to do
@@joshhirshberg8751 so hes controlling the controler that controls the CPU
He used the Command Melody from Zelda
@@joshhirshberg8751 are you dense
@@darylsdog9521 wat
Every ZeRo tutorial always needs a Sm4sh flex
Thanks for those guides man
Really helps beginners to understand the game better
Helped me alot
Thanks zero for your tips, I won a local smash competition without losing once. All thanks to you champ
JackHurtsLeg now win 55 more and you're on his level
@@kdjfbvkdz6352 thats the goal 😊
I appreciate all the tips your giving to us of how to be better at Smash. All your advice has helped me become a better Smash player. Thx
I like how people acting like nobody knows Zero has become a meme
Leffen *furiously writing notes*.
Thanks ZeRo! This video just gave me a lil new hidden knowledge I didn't know before!
I really like Samus's ledge trapping. Depending on their %, you can pull a spike off if you time it right.
That thumbnail is Animal Cruelty. Isabelle just wanted to be left alone. :D
I learn so much from your videos and you are so beginner friendly, thank you
This video deserves a million likes and views.. I mean literally. It deserves 1 million likes.. and one million views.
Can we take a moment to appreciate all the details in the guar plains stage. Xenoblade HD remake where you at
>Make a video on ledgetrapping
>Play on a stage that blocks your view of the ledge
>???
INSYG are you blind?
Something that ZeRo didn't mention in this video, is that if you are playing a character with a counter, and you read a getup attack or a double-jump aerial, you can counter at the edge and it can easily kill them if they are at high %'s.
It's important to say that every strategy has its pros and cons... In the case of ledgetrapping close to the ledge with your shield on, apart from the punish shown with shield breaking, there is another punish even more basic: normal get up to grab. You really have to be aware of the most of the posibilities and... well, this is when the mind games begin.
A move I have been messing around with (Inkling) is to jump on ledge right after them (super tight window, spent 5 hours in training to get it consistent enough to make it worthwhile) and when they r thrown off jump and spike. If they've seen it before, force them into the situation using the gun to waste their jump and a bomb to take away the options of getting on without grabbing the ledge or hesitate to throw off the timing. Its nice to use sparingly as its quite risky, but nice to make a comeback on a low % opponent. Its kind of like a trick play in football when down and u need a big play.
The videos are my favorite smash guides! Great vid dropped a like
I’m calling the RSPCA for that thumbnail
Thx for all the insightful tips and tricks and tutorials, much appreciated, keep up the great work :D
So it turns out this guide was for something I've naturally been doing already, just less successfully than ZeRo, and didn't know there was a special term for it. Video did give me some ideas to improve though!
I'm loving the comment sections on these videos 😂 so much love towards Zero.
On a side note, how much lifting do I need to do to get Chrom's delts and triceps, I mean dang, they crazy
ZeRo - In your introduction, you forgot to mention you were the best player in the world in the previous Smash game, _Smash Bros. for the Wii U._ I'm not being sarcastic. You should be proud of that claim.
ZeRo who was the best smash for Wii u player??
yoshi's down b against ledge counters everything but roll, and it's super safe
This is exactly what I needed. Thanks!
the belmonts are amazing at ledge trapping. probably the best ledge trapping in game.
Also probably the worst recovery in the game, after little mac.
hmm why should i trust this guy?
Father beats his daugther for 11 minutes straight
So basically, charge f-smash and hope your opponent does a neutral get up
I main Roy/Chrom and even tho this works for all characters it's so nice to be able to see with one of those characters. It just clicks so much easier. 😁👍
Thanks for this man. Gotta implement this.
I struggle at this with most characters but with Brawler a well placed shotput covers pretty much every option including waiting on the ledge. You can also just get walled out by a dozen shotputs if you get caught by them offstage. That move can be really annoying if you have a bad recovery.. Good Belmont players can also just murder you with axes but they don't have the bounce and are easier to get under. But then there's usually the Holy Water in your way.
Oh and Wolf's upsmash is really good for catching most options from the ledge if you miss or can't get the 2-frame. That move has really silly range and does a lot of damage. Also a pretty good combo ender.
Never have I ever wanted to win a giveaway so bad
If you're playing Chrom or Roy just fully charge neutral special and 9/10 times they'll stay holding onto the ledge and don't know it hits under there
This content is great and informative and all, but seriously, how good was this guy at smash 4?
He is trash bet he has never won a tournament
#1 smash player in the world? We tech those.
ROB's top is amazing at ledge trapping
Can you do a platform guide
Really enjoy these videos you make. Thanks for putting in the work on these. Much appreciated. Quick question: What's more ideal? Ledgetrapper or edgeguarding? Is it a general rule to edgeguard if they are high percentage and ledgeguard if they are at low percentage? Does it just depend on your character's strengths? Thanks!
where is my Sonic Tier video
Resting in peace along with his greatest taunt
Fuck that where is my young link high level play??
You mean Sheik.
Sonic tier-o- Sonic Tier-o-s
@@BasedChadman you're too slow
Come back man
Good thing we can directional dodge to the ground and neutralize many of these obnoxious options. Not 100% guaranteed but there is still a chance.
ketchup
or be left behind. :v
@@DarkEonMaster oh my fucking god
Just watching an entire video of lucina fighting herself.
BRING BACK THE SMASH 4 FLEX
Really informative video! Good work 👍🏼
He doesn’t flex in this video because his flex in the smash cypher was too strong
ZeRo is kind of genius actually. 🤔 *Right* when the game came out and everyone needed help he let everyone know he was the best in the world.
Now that everyone knows that he's got us eating out of his hands.
Command grabs like captain falcons up b can be great mix up tool to beat shielding opponents on the ledge
Block at the ledge can be countered by certain crossup aerials unless you parry
Thank you Pr.ZeRo
Thanks zero for the guide
Listen folks...just do a slow roll from ledge on stage..it will avoid all ledge traps if the person is standing near the ledge which 90% percent of cocky players do, they usually wont see it coming because there so focused the on the ledge trap game. But its only good once or twice per match. Most players will catch on
Dont let this distract you from the fact that Pit's shriek's sounds like Shy Ronnie.
I think this is this guy's first smash game, he probably shouldn't give advice like this until he's at least close to elite smash.
If you think this guy is bad you should've seen him play Smash 4, he sucked man
That’s all what fire emblem characters can do. Get a hit on you and ledge guard THE WHOLE ENTIRE MATCH
Thank you Zero, Very cool!
I live for the comment section in these videos
Did anyone else get one of the new smash ads before the video even began?
Can you say why you consider Lucario to be potentially a top tier ?
Kingdomhearts971 wasn’t that the point of his tier list video? ;D
I can explain dor you. Lucario used to be trash at low percents because lack of damage and a threatening presence. Then they buffed his aura and base damage so that even in low percents lucario has several options and at high percents he is busted strong and can easily stay alive
@@hotsauce8780 lucario's aura was toned down a little but his base power was increased to compensated, but in terms of knockback, smash 4 lucario full aura with a full charge up smash kill a ganondorf at 0% whether in ultimate ganondorf die at 21% with a full aura powered up smash
It doesnt matter what this guy thinks about lucario, maybe if he was a good smash 4 player then it might
He's way faster than s4 lucario
ZeRo, one day (maybe probably not) we shall meet in a finals. You are my goal. Getting the win over you will mean the world to me. I'm still learning but don't let that fools you, I may possibly be the one you pass the torch to. Who knows lol thanks for making all these guides, been out of the loop for years (played a few local tournaments but honestly not much of a competition here, really wish I was demolished to learn but alas, local competitors back in the day was non-existent here.) Really hope we meet in a finals one day. Thanks once again for all the recent guides, been definitely helping me learning the basics. Once I get that down I'll be able to flourish in my own and hopefully face you at a tournament. I like to dream big, don't judge me lol
yeah but like, he didn't say anything about who he is, so he might be trash at smash for sure, im sure he didn't even do a +50 win streak at tournaments.
Good luck with that.