Watching from Uganda. Your videos have been a blessing to me as I struggle with many questions you have laboured to respond to. You introduced me to church history and I love the way you present your arguments. May the good lord above bless your ministry.
He ain't the best church historian that is for sure. He looks at history through the lens of his theology. That won't get you true history just what you want to see.
Thomas Bilney John Oldcastle William Tyndall Richard Bayfield John Tewkesbury James Bainham John Frith Burned and humiliated for their “crime” of trying to make the Bible accessible to the common man. May they be an example to us all.
@@ianm.w1563 yep... It's a serious question...!!! Book reading is a skill that requires training and practice... Just randomly exposing uninitiated people to such a complex literature will make the bible a stumbling block to many... I have seen this happen!!!
@@michaelaratnam6517 Wow...great question. Thanks for articulating your concern so concisely...it deserves an answer. A point of clarification first, if i may...who/whom do you consider the 'common man' to be? And, in that same spirit of clarification, what do you consider to be 'complex?" To the point of this video, why torture men like Tyndale (and women uncredited, as well) for the simple act of translating such a complex work into a language that is accessible to all people?
@@brianetheredge7323 there were so many translations of the Bible in various languages even before tyndale was born... Almost all these translations were welcome...!!! Only translation by pronounced heretics were forbidden... Tyndale was a heretic... He published heresy in a few books ... He was punished as per prevailing law...!!!
What a gloriously inspiring video! I had the privilege of doing a doctorate in Cambridge while living and studying in the library at Tyndale House with the original Tyndale Bible just a few feet away from me.
I was thrilled to see this great tribute to one of my heros in the faith. I'm now working in Bible translation, specifically to get Scripture into languages that have no translation yet. Praise God for giving Tyndale a heart and a passion for the transmission of the Word of God in language that was understood by the common person. His legacy lives on in our work today!
@litigioussociety4249 Tyndale's translation was bad, and so not a Bible at all. He deliberately twisted meanings so as to support his particular theology. Moreover, he added to it - extensive anti-Catholic rants.
I feel sick watching this. I can’t even imagine what these brave Christians were going through. Thank you for sharing Tyndale’s story Dr. Gavin. We have it so easy today and yet a lot of us (myself included) don’t take advantage of the religious freedom we have to spread the gospel. Let Tyndale’s death remind us of the cost many men before us paid to pave the way for God’s truth to stand.
One of the reasons I’m so grateful about your Ministry is you just tell us the facts. There have been so many misrepresentations of church history that you’ve addressed. Hopefully this improves the discourse on these issues.
I am a descendant of John Rogers, who completed the editing and compiling of Tyndale’s Bible with Coverdale’s remaining OT translation and was burned in 1555. Funny enough, I learned about this relation through my RC father. I take great comfort in the faith of our fathers. Thanks for telling their story, and may we be found faithful as they were!
When I hear and read the testimonies of these great men I am humbled by their faith. The power of the Gospel through being read in your own language and the joy it brought to these men is also very humbling.
This gave me courage. Although I am incredibly thankful that we are no longer burning heretics or burying them alive, I have a genuine fear of modern day heresy hunters in this increasingly divided culture and the social and psychological torture they can inflict. It was refreshing to be reminded of those who suffered so greatly for their convictions and for the promulgation of the Word of God.
great point. Heresy hunting is alive and well. What we used to do with physical violence, now we do with cancel culture and slander. We will all need courage, but the Lord is with us.
@@TruthUnitesyou've felt it yourself, Gavin, but its just the tip if the iceberg. Now they're going after Michael Heiser now that he can't defend himself. Discernment channels do the evangelical church a HORRIBLE disservice. Ironically, the emphasis of hilighting heresy in the early chirch wasn't weeding out disagreement, but those who actively sow discord. The very Discernment ministries trying to silence and redirect believers away from views they feel are damnable are themselves the very ones creating functional heresy by getting lay people to divide over non-essentials.
I hate when apologists use the excuse: “the church didn’t kill anyone, it was the secular authority” as if at that time church and state were separated like it is today
@@charlesjoyce982did you watch the video? A king being excommunicated in case he decided to not execute a “heretic”giving reason for other monarchs to declare war on them seems like very solid involvement in the church’s part.
@@fab7an758 Nowhere is that in the video. Typical Gavin, framing things to his advantage. Most heretics were not executed. What Gavin showed is that Kings had to deal with heresy in their territory, but that does not mean that they have to kill every heretic.
@@GabrielPereira-hm1czhe explains why heretics were burned around the 34 minute mark (even saying Protestants did it too and we should be called out for it btw). In the 36 minute mark he explains that the secular authority was threatened with excommunication from the religious authority. He does not go into detail on what that entails for the secular authority, but I urge you to look up what those consequences were. Now, bearing false witness (if you did watch the video) is a terrible thing. And if you didn’t I urge you to not make bogus lies because that brings shame to your tradition.
Fascinating video, Gavin! I'm freshly amazed at how high a price people paid just to make the Bible available to us, and I'm convicted by how frequently we can take that for granted. Thank you for making this!
Thank you for this channel, Gavin. It has been so helpful for my own faith journey, and I've gotten a lot out of it, and in particular your debates with Trent Horn. Keep going, brother, really appreciate and benefit from what you do!
A great quote from Tyndale I often look to when I feel drawn to despair: From his Obedience of a Christian Man (1528) "If God promise riches, the way thereto is poverty. Whom he loveth, him he chasteneth: whom he exalteth, he casteth, down: whom he saveth, he damneth first. He bringeth no man to heaven, except he send him to hell first. If he promise life, he slayeth first: when he buildeth, he casteth all down first. He is no patcher; he cannot build on another man's foundation. He will not work until all be past remedy, and brought unto such a case, that men may see, how that his hand, his power, his mercy, his goodness and truth, hath wrought altogether. He will let no man be partaker with him of his praise and glory."
Also, this video did really make me reflect on how many things I take for granted, particularly the legal availability of the Bible in my own language, and at an affordable price.
There are no words for the unspeakable cruelties committed by men who called themselves servants of Christ, in the name of Christ. 😥 Thanks for the video. Unpleasant, but necessary information.
Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
Protestants have killed Catholic christians. And Muslims have killed Christians. And communists have killed Christians....etc. How can someone say this woman represents the Catholic Church?? It seems she is a spirit behind the martyrdom of any true Christian- catholic, orthodox, or protestant.
I was at the British Library last week, there is a Tyndale New Testament on display along with a Wycliffe psalter, a Great Bible owned by Henry 8, and these are just feet away from the oldest Bibles in existence - Codex Alexandrinus and Codex Sinaiticus. No one disputes Tyndale's significance. Anyone with questions can simply hop on a plane and visit the British Library to see it for themselves.
How weird to see such a great comment undermined by the jarring "Henry 8". Perhaps poignant given the subject of translating things into plain English. I'm not sure it will catch on. The British library is a must visit for any tourist who cares about the written word - criminally neglected by most.
@@thomasware5984I'm not sure I understand your point. Henry VIII is undisputably a substantial figure in Reformation history and core to many of the key events described this video.
Really makes the bridge-buildy "nooooo we never said there was no salvation outside the church. Anathemas? Never heard of them. Youre just a seperated brother!" Shtick really really gross. The same church lying to me about their own positions killed pious men in the name of God for the purpose of maintaining a human power structure. Despicable. Next time a roman catholic asks me where I get my Bible I'll be sure to say William Tyndale. Seems without him and his fellows Christendom would have been at best stunted and at worst all but extinguished.
@@charlesjoyce982 Watch the video. The church would order that a heretic be killed, and that any Christian monarch or officer must do it (sometimes upon threat of excommunication). Also, in many places, bishops actually did have their own armies, not to mention the Papal States were actual countries ruled directly by the Pope. FWIW, the Catholic position (I think to this day, definitely in medieval times) is Two Swords Doctrine, i.e. that the Church has the moral power to command both "swords", which roughly correspond to church teaching and state force, although it is not allowed to wield the state sword personally. This is in contrast to Luther, who said that the Kingdom of God and the kingdoms of the world are different.
@charlesjoyce982 separation of church and state is a concept from the reformation. The legitimacy of monarchs at the time came from the church. If, and when, the church ordered something done it was to be done at the point of the threat of being rendered illegitimate via excomunication. The church ordered the death of heretics. Tyndale, and people smuggling legitimate copies of the new testament, were no more heretics than you or I with our bookshelves of Bibles or Bible apps. And yet they were tortured and executed at the behest, and with the explicit approval, of the church of Rome. Nobody contests any of those facts.
@charlesjoyce982 The church had something much more powerful: excommunication. A monarch that was rejected by God was doomed. Church and state as seperate entities is a product of the reformers, the church of Rome rejected it. Even ignoring inquisitors, the church had plenty of force to wield politically that its lack of men at arms is of no regard.
@@jemeyezedten3930 ok, but any power to coerce others would have depended upon mere loyalty or free cooperation of the secular powers right? The Church could order this or that but the Church didnt have an army to enforce its orders on its own. So kings could simply refuse to follow the Church's orders.
I was excited for this video (which is funny because I knew next to nothing about William Tyndale). Now that it's here, I'm ready to learn, and continue growing as a Christian. Dr Garvin, as a brother in Christ, I'm grateful for the equipping that has happened through your videos. May the Lord keep you, bless you and your family and if we don't meet here, I look forward to having a chat once we're rejoined to the bridegroom. Watching from Kenya. (Just to add: why do I watch your videos? Love. You exude love and even as you've introduced this video, it's the same thing again. No pomp, no self-righteous attitude - just an example of 1 Corinthians 13. Yeah..)
I love the heart of your ministry, clinging to the gospel and desiring it with all our hearts for it to be proclaimed. I will definitely be sharing this video with others. I’m sure a lot of us who love your channel appreciate your work and taking the time to talk about these things. I’m humbled and yet again encouraged by this video! ✝️
What an incredible story. Thanks for your thoughtful telling of it. It was so brutal back then and may again become brutal for believers. May we be ready when the time come. I cant believe i just discovered your channel because of becketts channel. Im very interested in church history. Thanks again!
Thanks for your work Dr. Ortlund. For all the head knowledge involved with videos like this, I always find myself tearing up when learning the history of courageous brothers and sisters who remain faithful to the bitter end. Its humbling. And I’m grateful for your narration of those moments especially.
Extremely thankful for my beautiful bible and for the amazing and much needed reformation!!! Praise God!!❤❤❤😊 Ps so thankful for men of God like tyndale!
To me, this is one of your best researched lectures, in this case, revealing the necessity of the Reformation, and the sacrifice of true followers of Jesus to bring it about. Even at this time, Christians must be vigilant.
Thanks for bringing this man's life alive again.. In the UK there was a film based on his life called "God's Outlaw" produced by Channel 4, well worth watching if you can find it.
Hey Dr. Ortlund, you said, ‘I wish someone would make a film of it’, Actually somebody did a pretty good job and named it, “God‘s Outlaw: William Tyndale” 1986.
Thanks for the amazing detail, Gavin. The timing is equally amazing: I was discussing just this topic with a Catholic friend, who used the 2 talking points you mentioned at the top of the video nearly verbatim. He won't prove either assertion, though...and this video explains why he might be (quietly) struggling with his proof.
As a history teacher who teaches this era of history, I feel compelled to comment that Tyndale had openly opposed Henry VIII's annulment. Given this fact and the fact that Henry VIII had been the reigning monarch signing off on the execution of Tyndale's friends and the burning of Tyndale's work, I don't question Tyndale's decision to stay away at all.
This is a profoundly moving video, especially as a Protestant. Thank you Dr Ortlund for so bravely and powerfully sharing this! I did have a question, I was doing some research and I kept coming across arguments that were in support of Thomas More and that Moynahan’s work is 'fiction' and not based on any evidence...I was struggling to find evidence from a quick search about Thomas More's heartbreakingly brutal role in killing such a wonderful man. Would really love to hear your thoughts and clarifications to ease my mind on this. Thanks in advance & God bless :)
Thank you! More was killed before Tyndale and so it was other Roman Catholic authorities who oversaw his inquisition. If people want to dismiss Moynahan, one could simply consult Daniell's biography instead, which has the same view of More.
Gavin, it’s like you are in my mind sometimes. Thomas More’s legacy and his patron saint status were a big wake up call to me when i was reviewing church history. His intellect was admirable, but his actions were reprehensible. I knew then and still believe that i cannot in good conscience consider him to be a saint, certainly not in a clear cut sort of way. And i couldnt see how one could both condemn his zeal for torturing his competition and also look to him as a patron saint guiding political leaders. The math wasnt mathing, so to speak. This along with many other topics eventually led to no longer being catholic. While i now consider myself a mere christian and mostly protestant leaning christian, i still attend weekly mass (but do not fully participate/do not partake of the sacraments of the roman Catholic Church)with my family while looking for other churches to lead our family to. Its been a journey. I first converted in my late twenties and was enamored with being catholic for 5 years or so, then left a little over a year ago due to confusion in the church and topics that I just could not square the circle on when i took an honest look at church history. Since leaving roman catholicism its been a journey trying to find a church i feel called to. While that has been confusing and has had its ups and downs, I’ve learned that leaning on christ is the only thing solid and i know he will lead me and my family where we must go (should mention here i wont force my wife to leave roman catholicism, nothing forced with theology ever seems to go well in the long run, ahem, catholic supporters of Thomas More’s methods). I digress, but want to thank Gavin and other channels like anglican aesthetics, javier perdomo, and Ruslan for their continued work with Protestantism and mere christianity (not that all these channels identify as mere Christian, just that there is overlap). I guess I’ll stop writing now lol. God bless everyone reading this, especially those that disagree and are angered by it.
We have a local school named after Thomas More, and It makes me tremble when I think of the horrors this man brought on his supposed brothers. Calvin gets some heat in dealing with servetus (rightly so) but I feel like Thomas More is not really talked about enough. Certainly not a "Man for all seasons."
May God bless you and your church with a great church, brother. Former Catholic here. I went very low church for a while as all I wanted was the Gospel unimpeded, but have swung back a little and am looking into Anglicanism....but I've worshipped with wonderful Christians of all sorts of flavours in all sorts of good, faithful churches.
@@CausingLewis as Gavin said, he was at least consistent. After persecuting what he saw as heresy he didn’t shrink from his position when the tide turned against him. Many in England were happy to tell Henry whatever he wanted to hear and More was the only one who had the guts to say no
It’s just sickening to think that the Catholic Church made Thomas More a canonized saint when he was heavily responsible for the torture and murder of Protestants. Just goes to show how corrupt the Catholic Church was and still is.
I always view your videos, Gavin. They give me a lot to think about and your perspective is clearly both INFORMED, and PROTESTANT. And that's what I want.....the insider's perspective. I can say, as a Roman Catholic, if any RCs have a beef with this video, it's THEIR problem. HISTORY IS HISTORY.... not "Catholic history." I continue to look forward to your future presentations.
Hmmmm thats what i always say as a catholic myself and you cannot hide from history and ALL its implications… History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century and ONLY the 27 books, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time. Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 4th century, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself? Peace!!!
This is so important to remember! The names of these heroes who loved the Lord truly and set the stage for the enlightement of souls through the reading of Scripture. Tyndale lived only 42 years as many of his friends, they dies young but what a legacy and impact ❤️
I'm thankful for all the work others have done and do so we can grow deeper in our understanding of God. Jesus lives! ♥️ and is Yahweh God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
The split up of Christendom into thousands of denominations and sects has not strengthened our faith. This is a bad fruit of the reformation, even if the reformation might have been a good thing in one other way or another.
@@trismegistus2881 There are no thousands of denomination. And it's a good thing because it even enhanced civilization and boosted education. Christianity isn't a monarchical religion. It's not Islam. And what strengthens the body of Christ isn't to be under a pope, it's to know God and do his will.
@@trismegistus2881 Imagine being under a system that sells salvation and limit people to know God's word. That's what will strengthen your faith, right?
Thanks Gavin. Very good video and look forward to more like this. Yes it is good to know about those who suffered for the sake of the Gospel and have made it possible for us to have so many Bibles available to us today. We should not forget the price they paid.
I recently heard a famous Catholic apologist make these same claims. Personally I find the claim that he was burned heresy, but it wasn’t the Catholic Church that was responsible, to be contradictory. Heresy isn’t a secular crime. It is a crime against the Church. And it is the church, not the secular authorities, that bring the charge of heresy.
Laws against heresy were generally created by secular authorities and they also enacted the punishments. So they did play the most important role. However, the Church was always called upon when determining who was a persevering heretic and who was not. Both groups worked together, as there was no clear distinction between Church and state. In the eyes of secular authorities, spreading false doctrines was equated to rebellious behaviour which could undermine and destroy the entire society. The same was true for spreading unauthorised translations.
@@trismegistus2881 but it was the church who ruled the state that's why the secular authorities created the laws of heresy in the first place that was the problem, that's why in the constitution the separation of Church and state was not because the state ruled the church but the church ruled the state.
@@TempleofChristMinistries it is not correct to say that the Church ruled the state. Of course, some Popes claimed to have supreme authority in all matters, but this was never fully accepted. In the 11th century, the Pope could still prove stronger than an Emperor (Canossa), but by the time of Luther and Tyndale, his power had seriously weakened. In France, for instance, the Church operated partially independent from the Pope (Gallican Church).
Completely skipped by ortlund Is tynsdale attacked the church and pope and said they need surrender wealth and power and give it to the king to rule. Then he attacked the king as woman and baby. Then he then told his fellow priest and wanted priests to not own any possessions or have kids etc. So what he did was more inciting than ortlund may be saying.
I'd like to add to your point of not taking our Bibles for granted, even today we could have been born in a country where our faith is persecuted, countries where sometimes the only things our brothers and sisters have are small shreds of paper with a couple of verses of God's word written by hand, and yet we have the privilege to even carry the Bible in digitalized form in our pockets, being able to access it at any time we want. That is a privilege far too many of us easily forget. Thanks for the amazing work you put on this video Dr. Ortlund, God bless.
It’s encouraging how much hope these Christians had during such a dark and discouraging time. It’s hard to comprehend how people who claim to be Christians can do the most devilish things. I find it discouraging today, but where we are today at least in the USA is a lot less dark when it comes to the state of the church.
Trent horn somewhat responded to this today. It's interesting trying to pursue truth in this day and age. Two rational, sincere apologist make opposing claims about historical fact?
At the end of Trent's video he seemed to hint at the positives of a state run/guided by an "infallible" Roman religion that is "not tyrannicalbut pastoral". His video ending shows the horror of the Roman mentality that would be expressed even today if they had the power.
Great content, clearly and challengingly presented. I have never understood the reverence for Sir Thomas Moore and his portrayal as only a victim of state religious intolerance when he was an enthusiastic preparator of state religious violence on many others.
While I know this is about William Tyndale, the Protestants in Scotland were similarly treated. In Scotland, George Wishart and Patrick Hamilton were martyred among others.
This is a good illustration of the nature of the world. Ephesians 6:12: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places".
A chilling yet inspiring tale clearly and fairly presented - thanks for another video! I don’t think it’s necessarily worth a re-upload or anything like that, but there is a gap in the editing at 55:50. I only mention it on the chance that an important clip was missing.
Even Holy Orthodoxy owes a debt to Tyndale, as the KJV and NKJV are the NT of all English speaking members of the Church. What a blessing it was to already have a great English translation when Orthodoxy finally arrived in the English speaking world.
@@hglundahl The D-R is almost a century after Tyndale. What a lot of Catholics don't know is that the DRB got a total rewrite in the mid 18th century by Challoner, and he actually switched to using KJV as the base text type, not the old DRB. In other words, a modern DRB has more in common with the KJV than its predecessor of the same name. Which actually means that the primary author of the modern DRB is.....Tyndale!
I am not sure I will ever read my beloved little KJV the same way ever again. From its language to its history, it is steeped in a transcendent beauty which powerfully mirrors its ultimate message. I appreciate your honesty and sensitivity in dealing with this; I pray continually that we could be One Church by God's power, even with our imperfect past. Blessings, dear friends!
There is a movie about him! 'God's Outlaw', 1986, starring Roger Rees. I've found it enjoyable and very moving, though after watching this, I'll have to go back and check how historically accurate it is 😄
Tyndale's glorious definition of the word for Gospel: ''Evangelion' (that we call the gospel) is a Greek word and signifieth good, merry, glad and joyful tidings, that maketh a man’s heart glad, and maketh him sing, dance, and leap for joy'. Just says so much about the man and his faith.
Watching from Uganda. Your videos have been a blessing to me as I struggle with many questions you have laboured to respond to. You introduced me to church history and I love the way you present your arguments. May the good lord above bless your ministry.
The Lord bless you sir! Your English is remarkable as well!
He ain't the best church historian that is for sure. He looks at history through the lens of his theology. That won't get you true history just what you want to see.
@@minorityvoice9253 Any examples?
(That's a petty bold claim)
@@minorityvoice9253 Wow...got any cites for your conclusion? Interested in how you arrived at your position on Gavin's creds.
@@minorityvoice9253 Everybody does that. Everybody looks at history through their theology.
Thomas Bilney
John Oldcastle
William Tyndall
Richard Bayfield
John Tewkesbury
James Bainham
John Frith
Burned and humiliated for their “crime” of trying to make the Bible accessible to the common man. May they be an example to us all.
Why should a complex litrature like the bible be made available to the "common man"???
@@michaelaratnam6517 are you really asking that question???
@@ianm.w1563 yep... It's a serious question...!!! Book reading is a skill that requires training and practice... Just randomly exposing uninitiated people to such a complex literature will make the bible a stumbling block to many... I have seen this happen!!!
@@michaelaratnam6517 Wow...great question. Thanks for articulating your concern so concisely...it deserves an answer.
A point of clarification first, if i may...who/whom do you consider the 'common man' to be? And, in that same spirit of clarification, what do you consider to be 'complex?" To the point of this video, why torture men like Tyndale (and women uncredited, as well) for the simple act of translating such a complex work into a language that is accessible to all people?
@@brianetheredge7323 there were so many translations of the Bible in various languages even before tyndale was born... Almost all these translations were welcome...!!! Only translation by pronounced heretics were forbidden... Tyndale was a heretic... He published heresy in a few books ... He was punished as per prevailing law...!!!
What a gloriously inspiring video! I had the privilege of doing a doctorate in Cambridge while living and studying in the library at Tyndale House with the original Tyndale Bible just a few feet away from me.
I read your recent article on Tyndale, Dr. Gomes. Nicely done.
@@mj6493 Thank you so much!
Did you meet Dr. Peter J Williams?
@Jeffdurbla11 Oh yes! He was the star of the place.
@@julesgomes2922 Man, I have all of his books. Did he have good character?
I was thrilled to see this great tribute to one of my heros in the faith. I'm now working in Bible translation, specifically to get Scripture into languages that have no translation yet. Praise God for giving Tyndale a heart and a passion for the transmission of the Word of God in language that was understood by the common person. His legacy lives on in our work today!
Your closing thoughts made me realize how much I take for granted the blessing to read the bible each day in English.
If it's a bad translation, it's not the Bible.
@@fantasia55 Are you implying all of most English bibles are bad?
@litigioussociety4249 Tyndale's translation was bad, and so not a Bible at all. He deliberately twisted meanings so as to support his particular theology. Moreover, he added to it - extensive anti-Catholic rants.
@@fantasia55 what passages were translated wrong? I would like to compare them
@@mattwilliams3902 I'm supposed to spend my day educating an internet rando? Do some research.
I feel sick watching this. I can’t even imagine what these brave Christians were going through. Thank you for sharing Tyndale’s story Dr. Gavin. We have it so easy today and yet a lot of us (myself included) don’t take advantage of the religious freedom we have to spread the gospel. Let Tyndale’s death remind us of the cost many men before us paid to pave the way for God’s truth to stand.
One of the reasons I’m so grateful about your Ministry is you just tell us the facts. There have been so many misrepresentations of church history that you’ve addressed. Hopefully this improves the discourse on these issues.
I can't imagine never reading my Bible. Thank God it was made available to us all!
I am a descendant of John Rogers, who completed the editing and compiling of Tyndale’s Bible with Coverdale’s remaining OT translation and was burned in 1555.
Funny enough, I learned about this relation through my RC father.
I take great comfort in the faith of our fathers. Thanks for telling their story, and may we be found faithful as they were!
You should take great comfort in God’s Word, not fallible men (church “fathers”) who said true things and also face-planted on many things.
@@mooreoftammie phil 3:17
@@KYWingfold yes imitate the APOSTLES. NOT the church “fathers.” Lol
Thanks for shedding light on the tremendous sacrifice and contribution of Tyndale.
When I hear and read the testimonies of these great men I am humbled by their faith. The power of the Gospel through being read in your own language and the joy it brought to these men is also very humbling.
This gave me courage. Although I am incredibly thankful that we are no longer burning heretics or burying them alive, I have a genuine fear of modern day heresy hunters in this increasingly divided culture and the social and psychological torture they can inflict. It was refreshing to be reminded of those who suffered so greatly for their convictions and for the promulgation of the Word of God.
great point. Heresy hunting is alive and well. What we used to do with physical violence, now we do with cancel culture and slander. We will all need courage, but the Lord is with us.
@@TruthUnitesyou've felt it yourself, Gavin, but its just the tip if the iceberg. Now they're going after Michael Heiser now that he can't defend himself.
Discernment channels do the evangelical church a HORRIBLE disservice.
Ironically, the emphasis of hilighting heresy in the early chirch wasn't weeding out disagreement, but those who actively sow discord. The very Discernment ministries trying to silence and redirect believers away from views they feel are damnable are themselves the very ones creating functional heresy by getting lay people to divide over non-essentials.
I hate when apologists use the excuse: “the church didn’t kill anyone, it was the secular authority” as if at that time church and state were separated like it is today
Did the Church direct or manage this killing in any way?
@@charlesjoyce982did you watch the video? A king being excommunicated in case he decided to not execute a “heretic”giving reason for other monarchs to declare war on them seems like very solid involvement in the church’s part.
@@fab7an758 Nowhere is that in the video. Typical Gavin, framing things to his advantage. Most heretics were not executed. What Gavin showed is that Kings had to deal with heresy in their territory, but that does not mean that they have to kill every heretic.
@@fab7an758no, did ortlund claim that this excommunication or threat of was related to the tyndale affair or a different trial?
@@GabrielPereira-hm1czhe explains why heretics were burned around the 34 minute mark (even saying Protestants did it too and we should be called out for it btw). In the 36 minute mark he explains that the secular authority was threatened with excommunication from the religious authority. He does not go into detail on what that entails for the secular authority, but I urge you to look up what those consequences were. Now, bearing false witness (if you did watch the video) is a terrible thing. And if you didn’t I urge you to not make bogus lies because that brings shame to your tradition.
Thanks be to God for giving us his word and those who have fought so hard to make it accessible
but they still believe what the Anglo church taught and rarely study the word of Jehovah and his first born son Jesus Christ
@ no idea who/what you’re talking about
Fascinating video, Gavin! I'm freshly amazed at how high a price people paid just to make the Bible available to us, and I'm convicted by how frequently we can take that for granted. Thank you for making this!
Thank you for this channel, Gavin. It has been so helpful for my own faith journey, and I've gotten a lot out of it, and in particular your debates with Trent Horn. Keep going, brother, really appreciate and benefit from what you do!
Imagine having the sacraments taken away from you for providing the word of God.
Tragic.
Imagine branding people as heretics because they provided the blood of Christ as well as the body to people. 😬
A great quote from Tyndale I often look to when I feel drawn to despair:
From his Obedience of a Christian Man (1528)
"If God promise riches, the way thereto is poverty. Whom he loveth, him he chasteneth: whom he exalteth, he casteth, down: whom he saveth, he damneth first. He bringeth no man to heaven, except he send him to hell first. If he promise life, he slayeth first: when he buildeth, he casteth all down first. He is no patcher; he cannot build on another man's foundation. He will not work until all be past remedy, and brought unto such a case, that men may see, how that his hand, his power, his mercy, his goodness and truth, hath wrought altogether. He will let no man be partaker with him of his praise and glory."
Also, this video did really make me reflect on how many things I take for granted, particularly the legal availability of the Bible in my own language, and at an affordable price.
There are no words for the unspeakable cruelties committed by men who called themselves servants of Christ, in the name of Christ. 😥 Thanks for the video. Unpleasant, but necessary information.
Rev 17:6
And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
@@geordiewishart1683sounds like rcc
You mean Catholics?
@@roses993amen to that.
Protestants have killed Catholic christians. And Muslims have killed Christians. And communists have killed Christians....etc. How can someone say this woman represents the Catholic Church?? It seems she is a spirit behind the martyrdom of any true Christian- catholic, orthodox, or protestant.
I was at the British Library last week, there is a Tyndale New Testament on display along with a Wycliffe psalter, a Great Bible owned by Henry 8, and these are just feet away from the oldest Bibles in existence - Codex Alexandrinus and Codex Sinaiticus. No one disputes Tyndale's significance. Anyone with questions can simply hop on a plane and visit the British Library to see it for themselves.
How weird to see such a great comment undermined by the jarring "Henry 8". Perhaps poignant given the subject of translating things into plain English. I'm not sure it will catch on. The British library is a must visit for any tourist who cares about the written word - criminally neglected by most.
@@thomasware5984I'm not sure I understand your point. Henry VIII is undisputably a substantial figure in Reformation history and core to many of the key events described this video.
Really makes the bridge-buildy "nooooo we never said there was no salvation outside the church. Anathemas? Never heard of them. Youre just a seperated brother!" Shtick really really gross. The same church lying to me about their own positions killed pious men in the name of God for the purpose of maintaining a human power structure. Despicable.
Next time a roman catholic asks me where I get my Bible I'll be sure to say William Tyndale. Seems without him and his fellows Christendom would have been at best stunted and at worst all but extinguished.
How does the Church kill. The Church didnt have armies or police force to enforce its rulings. Or did they?
@@charlesjoyce982 Watch the video. The church would order that a heretic be killed, and that any Christian monarch or officer must do it (sometimes upon threat of excommunication). Also, in many places, bishops actually did have their own armies, not to mention the Papal States were actual countries ruled directly by the Pope.
FWIW, the Catholic position (I think to this day, definitely in medieval times) is Two Swords Doctrine, i.e. that the Church has the moral power to command both "swords", which roughly correspond to church teaching and state force, although it is not allowed to wield the state sword personally. This is in contrast to Luther, who said that the Kingdom of God and the kingdoms of the world are different.
@charlesjoyce982 separation of church and state is a concept from the reformation. The legitimacy of monarchs at the time came from the church. If, and when, the church ordered something done it was to be done at the point of the threat of being rendered illegitimate via excomunication.
The church ordered the death of heretics. Tyndale, and people smuggling legitimate copies of the new testament, were no more heretics than you or I with our bookshelves of Bibles or Bible apps. And yet they were tortured and executed at the behest, and with the explicit approval, of the church of Rome. Nobody contests any of those facts.
@charlesjoyce982
The church had something much more powerful: excommunication. A monarch that was rejected by God was doomed. Church and state as seperate entities is a product of the reformers, the church of Rome rejected it. Even ignoring inquisitors, the church had plenty of force to wield politically that its lack of men at arms is of no regard.
@@jemeyezedten3930 ok, but any power to coerce others would have depended upon mere loyalty or free cooperation of the secular powers right?
The Church could order this or that but the Church didnt have an army to enforce its orders on its own.
So kings could simply refuse to follow the Church's orders.
Hearing these stories, I weep for how my own faith compares to that of these men. God grant me strength.
Listen to *Pastor Joseph Prince* podcasts,strength to overcome
I was excited for this video (which is funny because I knew next to nothing about William Tyndale). Now that it's here, I'm ready to learn, and continue growing as a Christian. Dr Garvin, as a brother in Christ, I'm grateful for the equipping that has happened through your videos. May the Lord keep you, bless you and your family and if we don't meet here, I look forward to having a chat once we're rejoined to the bridegroom.
Watching from Kenya.
(Just to add: why do I watch your videos? Love. You exude love and even as you've introduced this video, it's the same thing again. No pomp, no self-righteous attitude - just an example of 1 Corinthians 13. Yeah..)
Excellent work Gavin. God is glorified in your ministry as its obvious you give your best and speak truth in love (Col 3:1-17). Thank you brother.
I love the heart of your ministry, clinging to the gospel and desiring it with all our hearts for it to be proclaimed. I will definitely be sharing this video with others. I’m sure a lot of us who love your channel appreciate your work and taking the time to talk about these things. I’m humbled and yet again encouraged by this video! ✝️
You are refreshingly reasonable. I can see God’s hand clearly in your work. God bless and keep you, brother.
Beautiful Gavin! Thank you!
Baptist from the Knoxville area
only half way through, but this work and video is incredible. Thank you Gavin.
Thank you for this video, Gavin! This is of immense importance.
Baie dankie vir die tyd en moeite wat ingesit word in hierdie praatjies. Mag dit seënryke gevolge hê.
What an incredible story. Thanks for your thoughtful telling of it. It was so brutal back then and may again become brutal for believers. May we be ready when the time come.
I cant believe i just discovered your channel because of becketts channel.
Im very interested in church history. Thanks again!
Thank you for distilling the available scholarship into a digestible format like this. This was helpful and encouraging.
Thanks for your work Dr. Ortlund. For all the head knowledge involved with videos like this, I always find myself tearing up when learning the history of courageous brothers and sisters who remain faithful to the bitter end. Its humbling. And I’m grateful for your narration of those moments especially.
Gavin, your ministry is invaluable.
Glory to God. Its amazing the strength and courage that God blessed these men with.
Extremely thankful for my beautiful bible and for the amazing and much needed reformation!!! Praise God!!❤❤❤😊
Ps so thankful for men of God like tyndale!
‘Be of good comfort, Master Ridley, and play the man; we shall this day light such a candle by God’s grace in England as shall never be put out’
This is exactly what I have been wanting to learn about, great work!
To me, this is one of your best researched lectures, in this case, revealing the necessity of the Reformation, and the sacrifice of true followers of Jesus to bring it about. Even at this time, Christians must be vigilant.
Thanks for bringing this man's life alive again.. In the UK there was a film based on his life called "God's Outlaw" produced by Channel 4, well worth watching if you can find it.
Hey Dr. Ortlund, you said, ‘I wish someone would make a film of it’, Actually somebody did a pretty good job and named it, “God‘s Outlaw: William Tyndale” 1986.
Fantastic video. Thank you for your work. God bless.
Excellent video Dr. Ortlund 👍
Great video brother Gavin.
Peace and grace of God be with you and your family.
Thanks for the amazing detail, Gavin. The timing is equally amazing: I was discussing just this topic with a Catholic friend, who used the 2 talking points you mentioned at the top of the video nearly verbatim. He won't prove either assertion, though...and this video explains why he might be (quietly) struggling with his proof.
Wow! Thank you so much for this video! It's very sad, but at the same time inspiring.
I remember watching "God's Outlaw" about a decade ago. One of the first church history movies I watched that helped to keep me Protestant.
As a history teacher who teaches this era of history, I feel compelled to comment that Tyndale had openly opposed Henry VIII's annulment. Given this fact and the fact that Henry VIII had been the reigning monarch signing off on the execution of Tyndale's friends and the burning of Tyndale's work, I don't question Tyndale's decision to stay away at all.
This is a profoundly moving video, especially as a Protestant. Thank you Dr Ortlund for so bravely and powerfully sharing this!
I did have a question, I was doing some research and I kept coming across arguments that were in support of Thomas More and that Moynahan’s work is 'fiction' and not based on any evidence...I was struggling to find evidence from a quick search about Thomas More's heartbreakingly brutal role in killing such a wonderful man. Would really love to hear your thoughts and clarifications to ease my mind on this. Thanks in advance & God bless :)
Thank you! More was killed before Tyndale and so it was other Roman Catholic authorities who oversaw his inquisition. If people want to dismiss Moynahan, one could simply consult Daniell's biography instead, which has the same view of More.
@TruthUnites thank you so much for your reply! Okay that's helpful, appreciate it.
Gavin, it’s like you are in my mind sometimes. Thomas More’s legacy and his patron saint status were a big wake up call to me when i was reviewing church history. His intellect was admirable, but his actions were reprehensible. I knew then and still believe that i cannot in good conscience consider him to be a saint, certainly not in a clear cut sort of way. And i couldnt see how one could both condemn his zeal for torturing his competition and also look to him as a patron saint guiding political leaders. The math wasnt mathing, so to speak. This along with many other topics eventually led to no longer being catholic. While i now consider myself a mere christian and mostly protestant leaning christian, i still attend weekly mass (but do not fully participate/do not partake of the sacraments of the roman Catholic Church)with my family while looking for other churches to lead our family to. Its been a journey. I first converted in my late twenties and was enamored with being catholic for 5 years or so, then left a little over a year ago due to confusion in the church and topics that I just could not square the circle on when i took an honest look at church history. Since leaving roman catholicism its been a journey trying to find a church i feel called to. While that has been confusing and has had its ups and downs, I’ve learned that leaning on christ is the only thing solid and i know he will lead me and my family where we must go (should mention here i wont force my wife to leave roman catholicism, nothing forced with theology ever seems to go well in the long run, ahem, catholic supporters of Thomas More’s methods). I digress, but want to thank Gavin and other channels like anglican aesthetics, javier perdomo, and Ruslan for their continued work with Protestantism and mere christianity (not that all these channels identify as mere Christian, just that there is overlap). I guess I’ll stop writing now lol. God bless everyone reading this, especially those that disagree and are angered by it.
There are so many beautiful bible based churches. May God lead youvto the right one❤
We have a local school named after Thomas More, and It makes me tremble when I think of the horrors this man brought on his supposed brothers. Calvin gets some heat in dealing with servetus (rightly so) but I feel like Thomas More is not really talked about enough. Certainly not a "Man for all seasons."
May God bless you and your church with a great church, brother.
Former Catholic here. I went very low church for a while as all I wanted was the Gospel unimpeded, but have swung back a little and am looking into Anglicanism....but I've worshipped with wonderful Christians of all sorts of flavours in all sorts of good, faithful churches.
@@CausingLewis as Gavin said, he was at least consistent. After persecuting what he saw as heresy he didn’t shrink from his position when the tide turned against him. Many in England were happy to tell Henry whatever he wanted to hear and More was the only one who had the guts to say no
Well I guess you would have to say the same about Augustine who believed in forced conversion.
It’s just sickening to think that the Catholic Church made Thomas More a canonized saint when he was heavily responsible for the torture and murder of Protestants. Just goes to show how corrupt the Catholic Church was and still is.
I always view your videos, Gavin. They give me a lot to think about and your perspective is clearly
both INFORMED, and PROTESTANT. And that's what I want.....the insider's perspective. I can say, as a
Roman Catholic, if any RCs have a beef with this video, it's THEIR problem. HISTORY IS HISTORY....
not "Catholic history." I continue to look forward to your future presentations.
Hmmmm thats what i always say as a catholic myself and you cannot hide from history and ALL its implications…
History shows us that Jesus didn't leave us a bible, - the apostles didn't tell us which books belong in the bible, - the church fathers never agreed on the 27 books of the NT through the 4th century and ONLY the 27 books, - not only did they not agree but their individual lists of would-be NT canons were GROWING during this time.
Therefore, if it wasn't the Catholic/Orthodox church, guided by the Holy Spirit, that compiled the 27 books of the NT in the 4th century, with the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and preserved these scriptures by laboriously hand copying them over and over throughout the centuries before the invention of the printing press, the “rule of faith” for many, please tell us who did? And if this church no longer exists today, what good is the text which came forth from her if she couldn't sustain herself?
Peace!!!
"church didn't kill Tyndale"
same energy as
"jews didn't kill Jesus"
Thank you very much Gavin.
This is so important to remember! The names of these heroes who loved the Lord truly and set the stage for the enlightement of souls through the reading of Scripture. Tyndale lived only 42 years as many of his friends, they dies young but what a legacy and impact ❤️
So inspiring. I’ll never forget as a kid watching one of the NEST animated videos on his life, a story I still vividly remember today
I'm thankful for all the work others have done and do so we can grow deeper in our understanding of God.
Jesus lives! ♥️ and is Yahweh God 🙏🏻 Christ ✝️ and King 👑
The more you go deep into history without bias, the more you'll be thankful that the reformation did happen.
To go deeper into history is to cease being Roman catholic…
@@markmusatau1929 Amen ✝️🙏❤️
The split up of Christendom into thousands of denominations and sects has not strengthened our faith. This is a bad fruit of the reformation, even if the reformation might have been a good thing in one other way or another.
@@trismegistus2881 There are no thousands of denomination. And it's a good thing because it even enhanced civilization and boosted education. Christianity isn't a monarchical religion. It's not Islam. And what strengthens the body of Christ isn't to be under a pope, it's to know God and do his will.
@@trismegistus2881 Imagine being under a system that sells salvation and limit people to know God's word. That's what will strengthen your faith, right?
Inspirational. THANK YOU JESUS for the faithful testimony of these saints. WE ARE standing on their shoulders!
Thank you for this video, I only recently learned about Tyndale. I had no idea Thomas Moore was such a monster, it seems he reaped what he’d sown.
Thanks Gavin. Very good video and look forward to more like this.
Yes it is good to know about those who suffered for the sake of the Gospel and have made it possible for us to have so many Bibles available to us today.
We should not forget the price they paid.
7:56 The movie “God’s Outlaw” is about Tyndale. I saw it via Amazon Prime video.
So interesting, thank you for all you do, I always come away blessed after listening to the truth!
Excellent video as always.
This video was very good. Thanks brother!
I recently heard a famous Catholic apologist make these same claims.
Personally I find the claim that he was burned heresy, but it wasn’t the Catholic Church that was responsible, to be contradictory. Heresy isn’t a secular crime. It is a crime against the Church. And it is the church, not the secular authorities, that bring the charge of heresy.
Is the same with Christ, even though the Romans crucified him, it was the church who brought the charges against him.
Laws against heresy were generally created by secular authorities and they also enacted the punishments. So they did play the most important role. However, the Church was always called upon when determining who was a persevering heretic and who was not. Both groups worked together, as there was no clear distinction between Church and state. In the eyes of secular authorities, spreading false doctrines was equated to rebellious behaviour which could undermine and destroy the entire society. The same was true for spreading unauthorised translations.
@@trismegistus2881 but it was the church who ruled the state that's why the secular authorities created the laws of heresy in the first place that was the problem, that's why in the constitution the separation of Church and state was not because the state ruled the church but the church ruled the state.
@@TempleofChristMinistries it is not correct to say that the Church ruled the state. Of course, some Popes claimed to have supreme authority in all matters, but this was never fully accepted. In the 11th century, the Pope could still prove stronger than an Emperor (Canossa), but by the time of Luther and Tyndale, his power had seriously weakened. In France, for instance, the Church operated partially independent from the Pope (Gallican Church).
Completely skipped by ortlund
Is tynsdale attacked the church and pope and said they need surrender wealth and power and give it to the king to rule.
Then he attacked the king as woman and baby.
Then he then told his fellow priest and wanted priests to not own any possessions or have kids etc.
So what he did was more inciting than ortlund may be saying.
Thank you for making this video. You are a blessing to us.
Thank you for taking the effort to put this video together and tell the story thoroughly. I was not aware of many of these details or the context.
I'd like to add to your point of not taking our Bibles for granted, even today we could have been born in a country where our faith is persecuted, countries where sometimes the only things our brothers and sisters have are small shreds of paper with a couple of verses of God's word written by hand, and yet we have the privilege to even carry the Bible in digitalized form in our pockets, being able to access it at any time we want. That is a privilege far too many of us easily forget. Thanks for the amazing work you put on this video Dr. Ortlund, God bless.
It’s encouraging how much hope these Christians had during such a dark and discouraging time. It’s hard to comprehend how people who claim to be Christians can do the most devilish things. I find it discouraging today, but where we are today at least in the USA is a lot less dark when it comes to the state of the church.
Very much needed video Thank you so much for the truth.
Trent horn somewhat responded to this today. It's interesting trying to pursue truth in this day and age. Two rational, sincere apologist make opposing claims about historical fact?
At the end of Trent's video he seemed to hint at the positives of a state run/guided by an "infallible" Roman religion that is "not tyrannicalbut pastoral". His video ending shows the horror of the Roman mentality that would be expressed even today if they had the power.
Wow, thank you for bringing this history of bible translations to light. It made me appreciate my bible even more.
Thanks Gavin. I only ever heard the Catholic spin on this history and believed it. Very important to get your work out there
Canonise him a saint! Great ministry. Really appreciate the quality of your work. The new book is brilliant.
Great content, clearly and challengingly presented. I have never understood the reverence for Sir Thomas Moore and his portrayal as only a victim of state religious intolerance when he was an enthusiastic preparator of state religious violence on many others.
While I know this is about William Tyndale, the Protestants in Scotland were similarly treated. In Scotland, George Wishart and Patrick Hamilton were martyred among others.
You’re a blessing to me Gavin. Thank you for all you do. I am thankful for the men who died to get me a Bible.
It painful to have your traditions challenged, but THE TRUTH REMAINS.
God bless you brother.
Awesome video! They are all with their Lord in his presence!
Thank you for this. We need to remember the saints who went before us to whom we owe so much.
This is a good illustration of the nature of the world. Ephesians 6:12: "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places".
A chilling yet inspiring tale clearly and fairly presented - thanks for another video!
I don’t think it’s necessarily worth a re-upload or anything like that, but there is a gap in the editing at 55:50. I only mention it on the chance that an important clip was missing.
thanks! will edit it out, appreciate the feedback!
I enjoy your "deep dive" history lessons on particular characters. I think that this is a good pivot from apologetics.
I have learned so much, thank you
@TruthUnites Excellent, thank you! Minor point - the city of Norwich - is pronounced Norrich, ( the 'no' as in none, and 'rich' as that word sounds).
Thank you! Very informative ….
Translation and Teaching. Both need to be done. Good job brother. Good to have a Church Historian close to hand.
Even Holy Orthodoxy owes a debt to Tyndale, as the KJV and NKJV are the NT of all English speaking members of the Church. What a blessing it was to already have a great English translation when Orthodoxy finally arrived in the English speaking world.
There was also a Roman Catholic translation available.
Douay Rheims.
@@hglundahl In English before Tyndale?
@@hglundahl Isn’t the D-R a translation of the Vulgate, though? The KJV is a translation of our original Greek versions.
@@hglundahl I addressed that in the video. It came much later, and wasn’t from the Greek and Hebrew.
@@hglundahl The D-R is almost a century after Tyndale. What a lot of Catholics don't know is that the DRB got a total rewrite in the mid 18th century by Challoner, and he actually switched to using KJV as the base text type, not the old DRB. In other words, a modern DRB has more in common with the KJV than its predecessor of the same name.
Which actually means that the primary author of the modern DRB is.....Tyndale!
I am not sure I will ever read my beloved little KJV the same way ever again. From its language to its history, it is steeped in a transcendent beauty which powerfully mirrors its ultimate message. I appreciate your honesty and sensitivity in dealing with this; I pray continually that we could be One Church by God's power, even with our imperfect past. Blessings, dear friends!
Great video Sir ty.
Isabel & Fernando lived before the Inquisition was established in Spain. It was their grandson, Felipe II, the one who pushed the Inquisition.
Amen brother Gavin
perhaps your best video
Thank you for this
There is a movie about him! 'God's Outlaw', 1986, starring Roger Rees. I've found it enjoyable and very moving, though after watching this, I'll have to go back and check how historically accurate it is 😄
Tyndale's glorious definition of the word for Gospel:
''Evangelion' (that we call the gospel) is a Greek word and signifieth good, merry, glad and joyful tidings, that maketh a man’s heart glad, and maketh him sing, dance, and leap for joy'.
Just says so much about the man and his faith.
Excellent work. I would love to see a sequel about Servetus.