I have a twin turbo 4wd Silverado 6.0L with the 4L65E making 940hp.... 5 years strong... transmission is perfect. I just don't start it up or drive it.... Will last me forever
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I swear you are making at least 1200, maybe 1500 horsies. Why not exaggerate a bit over shots. I'm game!
Great video! I had to give a big sigh of relief after watching this video! I'm getting ready to LS Swap my 75 Chevy Caprice Classic! Just bought an LQ9/4L80E Combo! Gonna beef the motor up a bit more but now I feel more at ease... Big shout out to the Driveway Engineer! I'm addicted to your videos! 👍
I have a 5000 pound Blazer with a twin turbo 555 BBC that makes 1340 to the wheels and a built 4L80E works great , I don’t care that a 400 with a gear vendors which used to be in it is quicker down the track I like the 3000 ish lock up converter I have and being able to program the rpm I want it to shift it , I am using the ez tcu and have the hand held mounted permanently to display rpm, speed , whether converter locked , voltage, tranny temp , tps percentage , gear it’s in , and the bonus of having a manual mode where I have a toggle switch to shift it just like a manual valve body .
Good to know. I have a 1965 carryall that is getting some beef. Dana 80 rear, Super duty 60 front with Janz engineering HP 70 ring and pinion. Hope to keep it under 7000lbs. Got my turbos and headers now need $ to build a big block. I will need a stout transmission.
Thank you for the information I really didn't want to hear. I just dropped almost 2k on building a 4L65 that can't even stand up to my mild 5.3. I guess you never get too old to get schooled. Now to find a Turbo 400 or a Tremec TKO
I blew apart a 4l60e on my supercharged 98 S-10 SS 4.3 making 470whp @ 30k. I also sheared the output shaft on my tune only 4.8 RCSB 4x4 Sierra with 33s. This video is all kinds of good advice.
@@NativeDescent Vortech sq2 kit at 15psi (one of the first to have the kit back in 99-00). Port and polished heads. Comp cam 270, meth injection, 2114 Edelbrock manifold MPFI conversion speed density tune with 411pcm. I don't have that setup anymore. The timing chain went. Eventually will be working on a twin turbo setup for about 800hp when the money is right. I have a lot of the parts, just gotta get a motor built to handle it.
I just picked up a 6.0 yesterday and been looking for a 4l80e I was wondering about the years.. you answered my question. Thank you P.s seems to me then 4l80’s way cheaper in Michigan than Chicagoland area. I’ll be in three river,mi next week so hope I find one that way.
They're probably cheaper in Wisconsin too. We have more trucks getting destroyed in wrecks and by weather, you have more people building serious street cars
I have PTSD just looking at a 4L60e. I've been through about 5 "end all be all" builds and eventually swapped to a TH400. I can live without the overdrive vs spending thousands of dollars every year on a 4L60e.
I’m not a shop owner, but I do build a lot of performance transmissions for high power cars. I tell people that ask about a 4l60 build that you can buy every upgrade for the 60, it will still be weaker than a stock 4L80 with a shift kit. If you need more upgrades to a 60 than premium frictions and maybe a drive shell, you need a 4l80. If you can make a 4L80 fit, use it!!
@@TAShannon1 the Sonnax smart shell? Aftermarket gearsets and shafts? I’m sure there are others, but that covers the majority of them. Go back and read what I said. Or find someone who can read to do it for you. With all the high dollar upgrades, a good USED 4l80 is more durable than a 4l60, even with the high dollar upgrades. A 4l60 behind lots of power will always be a maintenance item. Who cares if a 4l60 is a couple hundredths quicker if it won’t make it the next round??? The ONLY way I’d ever recommend spending the money on high dollar upgrades for a 4l60 is if a 4L80 just won’t fit (Corvette with rear mounted transmission for example)
@mattrodgers4878 that's what im saying, 4l80 isn't always the best option. You can't fit a 4l80e into everything. Just because a transmission builder is building a 4l60e and spending the high dollar cash needed to get it up to par doesn't mean that they are ripping people off. It's roughly 5k worth of parts on a fully built 4l60 which sucks to have to spend but If a 4l60e is built right by somebody who really knows what they're doing and not being unrealistic with the end goal then it is a viable option. Sometimes it is the only option. Hard part upgrades is one thing. Getting everything to work together optimally is a symphony of part choice and valve body modification paired with the right vehicle for the right usage. These are two completely different classes of transmissions. Yes the 4l80e is the boss, the goat, old faithful but definitely not going to be the best option every time against a 4l60
I removed the THM375 (THM400 with longer tailshaft) in my 1990 454SS Truck. I built a 4L80E with heavy parts and installed in my truck. I used a Compushift electronic shifter. That was in 2006. Still running good. I installed a heavy duty cooler with fan for cooling up front.
I had a built 60e built by Brinkley Transmission in Kinston NC about 5 years ago for my sb Silverado with a lq9, cammed, converter 9.5 inch, full exhaust, 3.73 gears. I paid right at 1550 for the rebuild and that thing worked flawless! I raced that truck any and everywhere and it never missed a beat!
Would love to hear your thoughts on the best transmission to use on a 4x4! Love all the vids, you seem like the most honest and knowledgable guy I have listened to on RUclips.
I guess it depends on alot of factors. I like the 4l80 in a 4x4, but having to get new shafts and stuff, I understand why people resist swapping in that instance. It's kind of why I just buy 3/4 4x4's to start with myself.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer also interested in 4 by 4 trans. How much hp would the 4l60 support ? Not running it hard since it come in 2nd gen tahoes and I’m sure a lot more? But do have bigger tires and rims
You had to throw in my 93 2wd 4.3 4l60!? Lmao, thanks man made my day! Thanks for the video. You're right get yourself a Th350 or 400 for your v8 swap I've had both in my v8 s10s I've built over the years.
4l80e for me .I just found out with HD -3 transgo shift kit makes it full manual ! No computer no tps ! And lock up does work . What ever gear you put it in it will take off but I would advise to start in first and run thru your gears . You will have to run a deep pan to clear the valve body mod I'm building a 69 chevelle with 468 good balanced bottom and hydraulic roller. I think the transmission will work out for me. Thanks for sharing your videos!!
I’m building a 69 Chevelle with 468 . Glad you shared this information ℹ️ I know the 4l80e will be in it with a TCI controller. I will see occasional drag strip duty!! Thanks for sharing!!!
Ive been through 5 4l60e's. 3 of them within a span of 8 months. Had all the bells and whistles. Roasting em with a little 4.8 with a baby bumstick. Good video
I've melted my 4L60E bumping the boost (from 5 PSI to 11 PSI)of my Magnusom Supercharged 2006 Tahoe with a iron block but 799 heads BTR Truck Norris 5.3, and going 4L80E, no doubt. Great, simple, straight to the point video.
I finally bit the bullet and getting a 4L80E myself. My local performance shop told me "if it's built right", too. It just can't be built right, I don't care if you use the best Transmission builder, buy "Sonnax this" and "Smart shell" that, etc. If it holds up a year for me, that's being lucky. I start having shift problems long before that. On the street, if I don't feather it, even with Mickey Thompson ET Street SS's (27.5 and 28" tires and 3.73 rear) the car will spin through 1st and 2nd and most of the way through 3rd. I replaced my 10 Bolt rear years ago and stopped breaking rear ends. The 4L60E just can't do it. I can't even finish locking my tune in with WOTs before the transmission is slipping or breaking something. Bye 4L60E.
Got a 2000 Gmc 3500 work truck and not a dully ,owned since new and just keeping it tuned and full of fresh oils keeps me running down the freeway at 80 mpg with 6000 pound of load comfortable ride with 30 2X4 studs on the lumber rack and a 4L80E Allison tranny included!
Sometimes the other mods that are necessary for upgrading to 4L80E, perhaps fitment issues, relocating trans mount brackets, new or modifying the old driveshaft, might turn some people off from the upgrade because it's definitely not a direct swap and they may not want modification for such things. Just depends on what your goals are and how much you want to waste on a hopped up 4L60/65/70E vs going with a relatively stock 4L80E
@@TAShannon1 I try to stick with lamens logic ... but i can get carried away. ;) I drilled new holes into the frame to move the Transmission Crossmember back nearly 10 inches from the stock TH350 to a late 4L80E/85E .
Give me that legendary TH400! I gotta a stock th400 behind a 496 big block with 565hp/600tq in a 68 Impala, I beat the hell out it, and she's still shifting like butter. Crazy thing is it the original transmission from 1968👍👍 4l80e are beast transmissions just costly.
Im glad you brought up S10 in your video. I have 4.3L in mine and I cruise. Nothing fancy power wise but I'm thinking about doing a 4L80E swap into it later on when the 4L60E goes out. I work construction and this truck works perfectly for what I use it for. I love the 4.3L, solid motors but I don't trust 4L60E transmissions.
I got a 97 1 ton 454 80E brought it in 2002 with 78 thousand pulled a 38 foot 5th wheel all over the mid west to ND, SD, NE, WY, MT, ID, UT, NM, AZ for ten years now has a 160 thousand and still pulls a new one 900 miles to WY every year no problems.
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Not only is your content superb, but your commenters are also awesome.
Suggestion, drop a little attitude and highlight WHY a 4L80 is a stronger transmission. Just a little constructive criticism, I hope you can handle it.
The monster stuff made my day 😂 work at a local shop to monster and I pull out so many of their trashed trans out of stock trucks and hot rods can’t stand them, 4L80 if you keep it cool and waterless it will hold reason they will shove them behind a 2500 6.0 with a towing cap of a duramax
I subbed just because I Appriciate how spot on JR just slays the snot out of us for the stupid decisions we've made and hard earned money we have all wasted as a result. He's mad for us as much as he is at us! Rock on JR!
If I am going to pay anything over 2k I'm buying a Dog Box or something likewise. Thanks for educating the masses. As they say you can take a camel to the river. But you can't make em drink.
I am looking to get a built trans to go behind an old school hemi. Given that an adapter for big block Mopar to the 4L60/80 is $850 I appreciate your insight and no nonsense approach.
Oh man, that would be a catastrophe lol. Is it a bell to replace the Chevy bell? Or an adapter? Because an adapter would let you use a 4l80, which would be fine.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Ha ha yes thanks trying to figure out 4spd-auto options that can deal with the torque. Otherwise, will just build an expensive 727 and crossing fingers.
The built 4l60 behind my stock LS1 had an issue shifting into 3rd at wide open throttle. When I put the new LS3 that makes double the power I didn't even consider a 4l60. Best decision ever. It's great knowing the trans will shift and hold up under the abuse she gets. drove 80 miles to the track, went 10.80s and drove home with no issue. 4l80 is the only way to go.
Well I'm doing well on my current 4L60E, behind a stock 99 LS1 in a 2700 lb car with a 3600 yank stall. After 2 went out.... 1st was my fault (forgot to fill it after the swap) 2nd they (performa-)built a POS that went out in 1500 miles..... Then a local trans guy rebuilt that( fixed the problem), and it's been in the car ~8 years. Next one will be an 80 with a similar stall.
shame I just installed a rebuilt 700 in my stock truck it works fine.. @ 200 hp LOL I don't beat on it much but now wish I had a 80e in it for peace of mind , am glad to read all this and thanks for the info next time im going lsx and 80e when my stuff blows up
I dont care what other people has to say when it sounds negative or perhaps insulting. All I know is that I bought a 2500 silverado 2WD with a 4l80e tranny. It was the perfect swap to fit my 66 lemans convertible. I just finished my Holley terminator X Max on it and I am getting 3.90 gears installed. Once done, I am happy and ready to drive when ever and to where ever. Reliability is my goal, not racing or showing off. I am glad this video was made because it does make sense.
I 100% agree! I've had 2 4l60's and then a upgraded 4l65 with extra clutches and all the trick stuff, in a s10 6.0 with heads and a cam basically. It lasted about 2 years with good trans temps.
Everything that was bought, was bought from Dana at I believe Performance Automatic in CA, but I can't remember the name of his company for sure.The valvebody was done by him. You send it in, and he checks it, repairs whatever it needs, and sets up the hole sizing. As for what failed, it's what always fails in these, the 2-3 clutch pack. The pressure was checked both directly after install, and a month or so after, and was told it was great. My 4l80, just keeps taking it. I probably should change the fluid in it at this point. Never had to even think about that with a 60.
I recently just put a cam in my 5.3 and did the whole valve train, nothing special really just wanted a bit more power, I got a 1999 Chevy 1500 4x4 and stuck with 60 mainly because I won’t be making crazy power prolly nothing over 350 to the wheels and that’s good for me but anything more and I would have got a 80. I beat the living shit out of this trans and it just won’t die I knew the guy who built it and said have it and I have!! Buddy’s of mine have put TONES of these in stock 5.3s and 4.3s and they just died, I killed my stock one 2 days after I bought the truck but it had lived it’s live at 300k but so far after 6 months of brutal abuse on this trans I would recommend it if your JUST doing a cam that’s it. That’s just my person experiences but everyone knows that the 80 is without a doubt the best case in all applications.
I can't find a 2wd 4l80e near me. This may turn into a lengthy search. My local transmission shop he can swap the rear housing and output shaft for another $125.
I have been building Heavy Duty and Performance automatics since late 1977. The 4L80E can be done somewhat cheaply (not rebuilding it), if you find a good core or a running one with little to no clutch/band material in the pan (oil still red, no water or black oil). Install the TransGo HD2 along with two TH200 low/reverse support cup seals, to seal the case to center support. This eliminates the leaks here in the third, reverse circuit. Use the Circle D 11" or a reliable smaller diameter torque converter of your choice. Do not disable the accumulators, keep the feed holes matched to what you have as far as horsepower, torque converter diameter and stall, rear end gear ratio, weight of vehicle, and how you drive. These can take 750 FWHP - 900FWHP and live. Once you get past 900FWHP, then additional upgrades are most likely needed. The 1999 & later cores are best, as they come with the the Tubulator steels (lessens clutch drag), wider Hi-Energy front band, 34 element intermediate sprag, Borg Warner Hi-Energy clutches, etc. I have been saying this to people for many years now. However, I do specialize in 4L60E's. The 4l60E LS series can be made to hold up to 750 FWHP, and last. Mine do come with a two year warranty when using the right torque converter. Most people want to use the 4L60E, and I have been able to make this work successfully for many years. Dana @ Pro Built Automatics.
First off, i love how you just cut to the chase with no cut cards and no bullshit. Second, im looking to do a 800hp buid with a 5.3. where do you recomend i go to upgrade a 4l80 and a manual swap if that kind of swap is possible? How much am i potentially looking at?
After liquifying 2 Monster 700r4s I put a 4L80e with 3200 stall converter in my 69 Chevelle with crate 572. Putting right at 603hp to the ground. Smooth as a babies butt..
Mmm men. Im a rebuilt my blazer v6. With almost beat up clutches. With reheat toque converter. And I haul trailer with carpet and tile. Heavy tile carpet. And has metal residuals. I just change filtre when it doesnt shift
Did he say he's got less than $5000 dollars in his truck and takes it to the track? $5000 dollars for a truck usually means it needs new plugs, wires, tires, brakes, ect.... Just wondering, win many races? A 4L60 is not built for a drag car. Dont blame the transmission for sucking ass when used in a drag car. Blame the idiot that owns the car. Its not a bad transmission if used correctly. It does have a lower 1st gear ratio than most other transmissions. Thats better for spinning tires. Im just busting balls here. Youre correct about the 2 transmissions in this video.
Have a 4l85e in my tahoe after blowing 2 60e trans with a cammed 6.0 My 85e just breezes thru shifts that would make my 60e feel like it was going to shatter. The transgo kit works well but Sonnax makes a relief valve so you don't have to drill the valvebody like transgo recommends. Transgo's pressure relief could potentially cause you to burn down your trans if it sticks open.
I had an 01 Silverado with the 4.8 making under 300 hp and the 4L60 could barely handle that power without skipping gears and not going into certain gears. Do you really think it's going to be able to handle a 1000+hp build? Jesus Christ, I hated that slush box, I'm glad somebody made this video for people like me who don't study transmissions as much. When I LS swap my Cheyenne, it's either getting a 4L80 or a TKO-500 (it's already a manual truck SM-465 gearbox).
5 years silverado 2003 4x4 with 5.3 sc, 6.0 sc and 6.0 turbo on 4L60 two times change some disc and one time the belt on a 11.60 best et on 1/4 mille track and every weekend race on 1/8, 100 ydr dirt or sand, one on a million 4l60.
Interesting thought about the 700r4. I put a 4.8 in my K5 Blazer and kept my 700r4 with no adapter from Bowtie Overdrive, I made it for free with a welder and some scrap steel. I might post a video on it. The engine isn't making any power over stock
Ok thanks for the video . Now my question is I have a stock 4.3 and I rebuilt my 4l60 . Now in your opinion is it worth switching to the 4l80 ? Now I love to drop an ls engine in here one day.
I have an 05 gto with the 4l65e that somebody had rebuilt and upgraded at 80k miles, car has 133k miles. When it does eventually go out, I’ll either upgrade to a 4l80 or a 6l80. I don’t anticipate it going out anytime soon as I don’t dog on it all the time, so it’ll hopefully be a couple years before I do the swap
I had my 4L70 built and bullet proofed so they say but I swear I’ll never use a 4L60 or 700 ever again. I’m tired of messing with transmissions in my trucks.
4l60e's have treated me well my 98 Z71 Silverado has 341 000km on it and there's always a load in the box and I've had as much as 13 700lbs behind the truck before and that 4l60e has never bin touched has never let me down I have no idea why people diss them I've owned many 4l60s they have all served me well. I will point out I'm 28 years old I don't bag drive my truck when I need the feel for speed or a rush that's when I dig out my CRF 450R. My truck has stock size tires no stupid mods other then 3" dual exhaust and cowl hood. No tunes no cams no blower's so on so forth. I just drive them and maintain them took my last 4l60e till almost half million km (km not miles im In Canada ) before she lost the third forth clutch pack's. The truck was a 1994 Silverado 2wd ecsb 5.7tbi.
Yes. 60's work great under normal/light, towing/hauling. All these rants are pointed towards people who increase hp in there car/truck then burn up the trans shortly there after. They then complain about how terrible they are. People just don't understand that a stock trans is designed for stock use. Nothing else
@@jsee2385 That's right. And fuck used transmissions they buy these used worn out transmission get 10 000km out of them then they blow and then the guys like piece of shit what a piece of shit trans even though the guy himself is a piece of shit dumbass. I like my 4l60e's personally there cheap to buy there plentiful and cheap to rebuild once mine goes I'm going to rebuild it myself with the strongest replacement parts available and I'll take it another half a million km.
The 60s work fine in the vetts, factory rated at 450hp. Sure the 80s will be stronger but I've had no problems with 60s on stock motors, the v6 ones just have a lower 1st gear, but it's the same other than that.
@@joedirt3820 hell my 4l60s have treated me well in all my 88-98 trucks my 98 Z71 Silverado 4l60 has a ton of km on it still works like new and it tows and hauls regularly
He’s right!!! I have a 4l60e built. Circle d torque converter, 2800 stall, corvette servo, shift kit, heavy duty flex plate on a 01 ws6, its a mild build but that 4l80 is better....
If you upgrade all the hard parts in a 60 they hold up pretty well.... But it is pretty expensive lol My 60e puts up with 150 shot nitrous launches on et street r’s in a 5000lbs truck.... 🤷♂️
I just found your channel and I’ve been learning a lot. I’m new to a lot of this and I’m trying to research ls swaps before I have stupid ideas I can’t act on. My question is what vehicles should I try looking at in the junkyard or in general for a 4l80e transmission.
Monster sends you a mock up transmission basically. You need to completely tear it back down and actually make it right but they atleast send you everything together lol you get what you pay for though.If you can’t build your own,I would recommend a local salvage yard before I would buy from them.
I have a 4l80e not sure the condition. It's going behind a BBC 427 with a procharger. The builder said conservatively 850hp. Any suggestions on what to do with the trans?
Thks good video i like what you said but I have payed to have the 4l60 rebuild and the up grades its a stock 5.3 in my 1974 surberbon I had bought the howlle wiring harness ill do the 4l80 next on thks
The 60e can be built to handle 700+ hp. The 80e is not exactly unbreakable, but it is tougher, for sure. Making an 80e fit into your vehicle can take some chop-work, too.
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bored me to death
Thanks for watching!
I have a twin turbo 4wd Silverado 6.0L with the 4L65E making 940hp.... 5 years strong... transmission is perfect. I just don't start it up or drive it.... Will last me forever
I swear you are making at least 1200, maybe 1500 horsies.
Why not exaggerate a bit over shots. I'm game!
Hilarious lol.
Had us in the first have not gunna lie
nailed it, unlike your skinny pedal
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Why are all these companies rating there transmissions on HP? Transmissions break because of torque.
You answered your own question there,i mean GM even rates them by torque
Because that’s how they sucker you in with the HP
@@nofsgiven3855 Right on !! HP just keeps torque @ higher RPM...HP dont move shit...
So glad I went with a 80e with a shift kit on my build after watching this
Great video! I had to give a big sigh of relief after watching this video! I'm getting ready to LS Swap my 75 Chevy Caprice Classic! Just bought an LQ9/4L80E Combo! Gonna beef the motor up a bit more but now I feel more at ease... Big shout out to the Driveway Engineer! I'm addicted to your videos! 👍
Thanks for sharing and also for saving me a lot of money to rebuild my 4l60e. Ill go pick up an 80e over the winter.
Yeah, 4l60s are still an easy sale, put it towards the 80 lol
I wanna thank you for sharing you knowledge
It has save me lots of money
Keep making great vids 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Literally every junk yard has some trashed trucks with 4L80E’s. Get one and rebuild it or have it rebuilt
I have a 5000 pound Blazer with a twin turbo 555 BBC that makes 1340 to the wheels and a built 4L80E works great , I don’t care that a 400 with a gear vendors which used to be in it is quicker down the track I like the 3000 ish lock up converter I have and being able to program the rpm I want it to shift it , I am using the ez tcu and have the hand held mounted permanently to display rpm, speed , whether converter locked , voltage, tranny temp , tps percentage , gear it’s in , and the bonus of having a manual mode where I have a toggle switch to shift it just like a manual valve body .
That was my question, how do you control it in a non computer car. Thanks
Good to know. I have a 1965 carryall that is getting some beef. Dana 80 rear, Super duty 60 front with Janz engineering HP 70 ring and pinion. Hope to keep it under 7000lbs. Got my turbos and headers now need $ to build a big block. I will need a stout transmission.
Thank you for the information I really didn't want to hear. I just dropped almost 2k on building a 4L65 that can't even stand up to my mild 5.3. I guess you never get too old to get schooled. Now to find a Turbo 400 or a Tremec TKO
Those are both great choices, you'll be happier
I blew apart a 4l60e on my supercharged 98 S-10 SS 4.3 making 470whp @ 30k. I also sheared the output shaft on my tune only 4.8 RCSB 4x4 Sierra with 33s. This video is all kinds of good advice.
EGGINFOOLS not to be an asshole, but how the hell do you have a supercharged 4.3 making 470 wheel???
@@NativeDescent Vortech sq2 kit at 15psi (one of the first to have the kit back in 99-00). Port and polished heads. Comp cam 270, meth injection, 2114 Edelbrock manifold MPFI conversion speed density tune with 411pcm. I don't have that setup anymore. The timing chain went. Eventually will be working on a twin turbo setup for about 800hp when the money is right. I have a lot of the parts, just gotta get a motor built to handle it.
I just picked up a 6.0 yesterday and been looking for a 4l80e I was wondering about the years.. you answered my question. Thank you
P.s seems to me then 4l80’s way cheaper in Michigan than Chicagoland area. I’ll be in three river,mi next week so hope I find one that way.
They're probably cheaper in Wisconsin too.
We have more trucks getting destroyed in wrecks and by weather, you have more people building serious street cars
I was gonna keep the 60 in my swap but I’m glad you opened my eyes.
I have a turbo 400 in my four wheel drive 2500 flatbed that I work and he does a great job almost completely indestructible
Hi JR, great video, wish you would have discussed the difference in 1st gear between teh 4L80 and 60E. Appreciate the upload!
I have PTSD just looking at a 4L60e. I've been through about 5 "end all be all" builds and eventually swapped to a TH400. I can live without the overdrive vs spending thousands of dollars every year on a 4L60e.
Buy an overdrive adapter for the th400. Next.
how much did you spend on these "end all be all" 4l60's?
Thanks for the lesson teacher, good stuff ,
"Go straight to hell" lmfao YES !!!! LOL
Legit, subscribed when I heard tht 😂😂😂
I’m not a shop owner, but I do build a lot of performance transmissions for high power cars. I tell people that ask about a 4l60 build that you can buy every upgrade for the 60, it will still be weaker than a stock 4L80 with a shift kit. If you need more upgrades to a 60 than premium frictions and maybe a drive shell, you need a 4l80. If you can make a 4L80 fit, use it!!
I don't think you are very familiar with "every upgrade for the 60".
@@TAShannon1 the Sonnax smart shell? Aftermarket gearsets and shafts? I’m sure there are others, but that covers the majority of them.
Go back and read what I said. Or find someone who can read to do it for you. With all the high dollar upgrades, a good USED 4l80 is more durable than a 4l60, even with the high dollar upgrades. A 4l60 behind lots of power will always be a maintenance item. Who cares if a 4l60 is a couple hundredths quicker if it won’t make it the next round???
The ONLY way I’d ever recommend spending the money on high dollar upgrades for a 4l60 is if a 4L80 just won’t fit (Corvette with rear mounted transmission for example)
@mattrodgers4878 that's what im saying, 4l80 isn't always the best option. You can't fit a 4l80e into everything. Just because a transmission builder is building a 4l60e and spending the high dollar cash needed to get it up to par doesn't mean that they are ripping people off.
It's roughly 5k worth of parts on a fully built 4l60 which sucks to have to spend but If a 4l60e is built right by somebody who really knows what they're doing and not being unrealistic with the end goal then it is a viable option. Sometimes it is the only option.
Hard part upgrades is one thing. Getting everything to work together optimally is a symphony of part choice and valve body modification paired with the right vehicle for the right usage.
These are two completely different classes of transmissions. Yes the 4l80e is the boss, the goat, old faithful but definitely not going to be the best option every time against a 4l60
Until you launch a 80 and snap the input shaft. Next year there will be a 4l60 running high sevens in the quarter.
Great info..I’ll head to the yard for a 4l80e
I removed the THM375 (THM400 with longer tailshaft) in my 1990 454SS Truck. I built a 4L80E with heavy parts and installed in my truck. I used a Compushift electronic shifter. That was in 2006. Still running good. I installed a heavy duty cooler with fan for cooling up front.
I had a built 60e built by Brinkley Transmission in Kinston NC about 5 years ago for my sb Silverado with a lq9, cammed, converter 9.5 inch, full exhaust, 3.73 gears. I paid right at 1550 for the rebuild and that thing worked flawless! I raced that truck any and everywhere and it never missed a beat!
Would love to hear your thoughts on the best transmission to use on a 4x4! Love all the vids, you seem like the most honest and knowledgable guy I have listened to on RUclips.
I guess it depends on alot of factors.
I like the 4l80 in a 4x4, but having to get new shafts and stuff, I understand why people resist swapping in that instance.
It's kind of why I just buy 3/4 4x4's to start with myself.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer also interested in 4 by 4 trans. How much hp would the 4l60 support ? Not running it hard since it come in 2nd gen tahoes and I’m sure a lot more? But do have bigger tires and rims
You had to throw in my 93 2wd 4.3 4l60!? Lmao, thanks man made my day! Thanks for the video. You're right get yourself a Th350 or 400 for your v8 swap I've had both in my v8 s10s I've built over the years.
let the tears of the 60e begin lmao
2100 dollars Go directly to hell 🤣😂
Spot on once again. These videos help us to pick the best bang for the buck combos.
4l80e for me .I just found out with HD -3 transgo shift kit makes it full manual ! No computer no tps ! And lock up does work . What ever gear you put it in it will take off but I would advise to start in first and run thru your gears . You will have to run a deep pan to clear the valve body mod I'm building a 69 chevelle with 468 good balanced bottom and hydraulic roller. I think the transmission will work out for me. Thanks for sharing your videos!!
Great info! Thank you!
I’m building a 69 Chevelle with 468 . Glad you shared this information ℹ️ I know the 4l80e will be in it with a TCI controller. I will see occasional drag strip duty!! Thanks for sharing!!!
I have a 700R I was gonna build but not now!!
Sell it, put the cash towards an 80
Ive been through 5 4l60e's. 3 of them within a span of 8 months. Had all the bells and whistles. Roasting em with a little 4.8 with a baby bumstick. Good video
Yeah, and everyone online will still blame the builder 😂
lol... baby bumstick
Hell no, a stock 60E should be able handle that. I'd be suspecting your tune.
@@pwilly7 say what you want, I've cooked them. Stock. Built. You name it. Lot of weight to move, even for a single cab.
I blew a 4L60E and a 65E up behind a 5.7 in an Express van before swapping a junkyard 4L85E into it. Beat the crap out of it and still going strong.
Going from a 60e to a 80e/ 85e what do you have to do I'm thinking about doing this in my 04 yukon do I have to worry about computer issues
I found several in the salvage yard on the 40% off days. Some reason people seem to skip over these, can usually find several on a yard trip.
That's where mine came from lol, 125 bucks
I need one! Houston, TX
Houston, TX
Stock 4l80e with 200k hard towing miles will handle 600 ft lbs for at least 100 1/4 mile passes its by far the best option
I've melted my 4L60E bumping the boost (from 5 PSI to 11 PSI)of my Magnusom Supercharged 2006 Tahoe with a iron block but 799 heads BTR Truck Norris 5.3, and going 4L80E, no doubt. Great, simple, straight to the point video.
AWESOME my friend i learned a lot because i really didn't know the difference between the two so thanks again !!!!
I finally bit the bullet and getting a 4L80E myself. My local performance shop told me "if it's built right", too.
It just can't be built right, I don't care if you use the best Transmission builder, buy "Sonnax this" and "Smart shell" that, etc. If it holds up a year for me, that's being lucky. I start having shift problems long before that.
On the street, if I don't feather it, even with Mickey Thompson ET Street SS's (27.5 and 28" tires and 3.73 rear) the car will spin through 1st and 2nd and most of the way through 3rd. I replaced my 10 Bolt rear years ago and stopped breaking rear ends. The 4L60E just can't do it. I can't even finish locking my tune in with WOTs before the transmission is slipping or breaking something.
Bye 4L60E.
Got a 2000 Gmc 3500 work truck and not a dully ,owned since new and just keeping it tuned and full of fresh oils keeps me running down the freeway at 80 mpg with 6000 pound of load comfortable ride with 30 2X4 studs on the lumber rack and a 4L80E Allison tranny included!
Sometimes the other mods that are necessary for upgrading to 4L80E, perhaps fitment issues, relocating trans mount brackets, new or modifying the old driveshaft, might turn some people off from the upgrade because it's definitely not a direct swap and they may not want modification for such things. Just depends on what your goals are and how much you want to waste on a hopped up 4L60/65/70E vs going with a relatively stock 4L80E
Thanks for being the only reasonable person on this thread/video with common sense.
@@TAShannon1 I try to stick with lamens logic ... but i can get carried away. ;)
I drilled new holes into the frame to move the Transmission Crossmember back nearly 10 inches from the stock TH350 to a late 4L80E/85E .
Give me that legendary TH400! I gotta a stock th400 behind a 496 big block with 565hp/600tq in a 68 Impala, I beat the hell out it, and she's still shifting like butter. Crazy thing is it the original transmission from 1968👍👍 4l80e are beast transmissions just costly.
A 4L80 is just a 400 with OD
Th 400 best transmission
88 1500 Chevy 400hp only had about 15-16 700r4 and 4l60....... Great advice!!!!!!!!!!
Im glad you brought up S10 in your video. I have 4.3L in mine and I cruise. Nothing fancy power wise but I'm thinking about doing a 4L80E swap into it later on when the 4L60E goes out. I work construction and this truck works perfectly for what I use it for. I love the 4.3L, solid motors but I don't trust 4L60E transmissions.
Subscribed and will make a mental note of what you said in this vid.
oh god, wish I found this vid before i replace the 4l60e in the truck i bought last year, thing has been nothing but problems
so stay with the 4l60e?
I got a 97 1 ton 454 80E brought it in 2002 with 78 thousand pulled a 38 foot 5th wheel all over the mid west to ND, SD, NE, WY, MT, ID, UT, NM, AZ for ten years now has a 160 thousand and still pulls a new one 900 miles to WY every year no problems.
Not only is your content superb, but your commenters are also awesome.
you can pick up a 60e with no problem i got the jack out when i got the 80e to put back in lol
Suggestion, drop a little attitude and highlight WHY a 4L80 is a stronger transmission. Just a little constructive criticism, I hope you can handle it.
Kenneth Jones Forreal this was more like all the stuff he hates about 4L60Es 😂
The monster stuff made my day 😂 work at a local shop to monster and I pull out so many of their trashed trans out of stock trucks and hot rods can’t stand them, 4L80 if you keep it cool and waterless it will hold reason they will shove them behind a 2500 6.0 with a towing cap of a duramax
J.P. Turtles Monster sucks !!
i'd much rather have a 4L80E, but its a massive pain in the ass to convert a 4L60E 4x4 truck to fit the 4L80E
Thank you for this wonderful information... very helpful for me
I subbed just because I Appriciate how spot on JR just slays the snot out of us for the stupid decisions we've made and hard earned money we have all wasted as a result. He's mad for us as much as he is at us! Rock on JR!
If I am going to pay anything over 2k I'm buying a Dog Box or something likewise. Thanks for educating the masses. As they say you can take a camel to the river. But you can't make em drink.
Also when you get into the higher end converters the 60s and 80s are the same cost.
I am looking to get a built trans to go behind an old school hemi. Given that an adapter for big block Mopar to the 4L60/80 is $850 I appreciate your insight and no nonsense approach.
Oh man, that would be a catastrophe lol.
Is it a bell to replace the Chevy bell? Or an adapter?
Because an adapter would let you use a 4l80, which would be fine.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Ha ha yes thanks trying to figure out 4spd-auto options that can deal with the torque. Otherwise, will just build an expensive 727 and crossing fingers.
Exactly what I needed to know
The built 4l60 behind my stock LS1 had an issue shifting into 3rd at wide open throttle. When I put the new LS3 that makes double the power I didn't even consider a 4l60. Best decision ever. It's great knowing the trans will shift and hold up under the abuse she gets. drove 80 miles to the track, went 10.80s and drove home with no issue. 4l80 is the only way to go.
Well I'm doing well on my current 4L60E, behind a stock 99 LS1 in a 2700 lb car with a 3600 yank stall. After 2 went out.... 1st was my fault (forgot to fill it after the swap) 2nd they (performa-)built a POS that went out in 1500 miles..... Then a local trans guy rebuilt that( fixed the problem), and it's been in the car ~8 years. Next one will be an 80 with a similar stall.
So helpful!. What 4l80 do you recomend for an ls1 from camaro 98? Thanks
My ls swaped c10 and turbo single cab both have 4l80.
I would never use a 60e on anything with upgrades
shame I just installed a rebuilt 700 in my stock truck it works fine.. @ 200 hp LOL I don't beat on it much but now wish I had a 80e in it for peace of mind , am glad to read all this and thanks for the info next time im going lsx and 80e when my stuff blows up
Great info, so the torque converter with the 4L80e can't be used on a ls swap in a small car?
I dont care what other people has to say when it sounds negative or perhaps insulting. All I know is that I bought a 2500 silverado 2WD with a 4l80e tranny. It was the perfect swap to fit my 66 lemans convertible. I just finished my Holley terminator X Max on it and I am getting 3.90 gears installed. Once done, I am happy and ready to drive when ever and to where ever. Reliability is my goal, not racing or showing off. I am glad this video was made because it does make sense.
4L60E in a 1998 Yukon with 268,000 on it. Still going strong. I even tow a 19 foot boat with it on occasion. It's on it's 2nd 350 though.
They do alright with stock power, and mild use.
I 100% agree! I've had 2 4l60's and then a upgraded 4l65 with extra clutches and all the trick stuff, in a s10 6.0 with heads and a cam basically. It lasted about 2 years with good trans temps.
ok, what failed?
What was done with the separator plate and valve body?
Everything that was bought, was bought from Dana at I believe Performance Automatic in CA, but I can't remember the name of his company for sure.The valvebody was done by him. You send it in, and he checks it, repairs whatever it needs, and sets up the hole sizing.
As for what failed, it's what always fails in these, the 2-3 clutch pack. The pressure was checked both directly after install, and a month or so after, and was told it was great.
My 4l80, just keeps taking it. I probably should change the fluid in it at this point. Never had to even think about that with a 60.
I recently just put a cam in my 5.3 and did the whole valve train, nothing special really just wanted a bit more power, I got a 1999 Chevy 1500 4x4 and stuck with 60 mainly because I won’t be making crazy power prolly nothing over 350 to the wheels and that’s good for me but anything more and I would have got a 80. I beat the living shit out of this trans and it just won’t die I knew the guy who built it and said have it and I have!! Buddy’s of mine have put TONES of these in stock 5.3s and 4.3s and they just died, I killed my stock one 2 days after I bought the truck but it had lived it’s live at 300k but so far after 6 months of brutal abuse on this trans I would recommend it if your JUST doing a cam that’s it. That’s just my person experiences but everyone knows that the 80 is without a doubt the best case in all applications.
I can't find a 2wd 4l80e near me. This may turn into a lengthy search.
My local transmission shop he can swap the rear housing and output shaft for another $125.
I have been building Heavy Duty and Performance automatics since late 1977. The 4L80E can be done somewhat cheaply (not rebuilding it), if you find a good core or a running one with little to no clutch/band material in the pan (oil still red, no water or black oil). Install the TransGo HD2 along with two TH200 low/reverse support cup seals, to seal the case to center support. This eliminates the leaks here in the third, reverse circuit. Use the Circle D 11" or a reliable smaller diameter torque converter of your choice. Do not disable the accumulators, keep the feed holes matched to what you have as far as horsepower, torque converter diameter and stall, rear end gear ratio, weight of vehicle, and how you drive. These can take 750 FWHP - 900FWHP and live. Once you get past 900FWHP, then additional upgrades are most likely needed. The 1999 & later cores are best, as they come with the the Tubulator steels (lessens clutch drag), wider Hi-Energy front band, 34 element intermediate sprag, Borg Warner Hi-Energy clutches, etc. I have been saying this to people for many years now. However, I do specialize in 4L60E's. The 4l60E LS series can be made to hold up to 750 FWHP, and last. Mine do come with a two year warranty when using the right torque converter. Most people want to use the 4L60E, and I have been able to make this work successfully for many years. Dana @ Pro Built Automatics.
What is the cost of your 750hp 60e build if I ship you a good core
Significantly more than the cost of a junkyard 4l80 🤣
@@TheDrivewayEngineerall up until you actually launch one and immediately snap the input shaft.
First off, i love how you just cut to the chase with no cut cards and no bullshit. Second, im looking to do a 800hp buid with a 5.3. where do you recomend i go to upgrade a 4l80 and a manual swap if that kind of swap is possible? How much am i potentially looking at?
I am sooooo glad that i watched your video!!
After liquifying 2 Monster 700r4s I put a 4L80e with 3200 stall converter in my 69 Chevelle with crate 572. Putting right at 603hp to the ground. Smooth as a babies butt..
Man that sucks that Monster got you also.
Glad you're all set now
Love this channel just brutally honest its siick.
Mmm men. Im a rebuilt my blazer v6. With almost beat up clutches. With reheat toque converter. And I haul trailer with carpet and tile. Heavy tile carpet. And has metal residuals. I just change filtre when it doesnt shift
Did he say he's got less than $5000 dollars in his truck and takes it to the track? $5000 dollars for a truck usually means it needs new plugs, wires, tires, brakes, ect.... Just wondering, win many races? A 4L60 is not built for a drag car. Dont blame the transmission for sucking ass when used in a drag car. Blame the idiot that owns the car. Its not a bad transmission if used correctly. It does have a lower 1st gear ratio than most other transmissions. Thats better for spinning tires. Im just busting balls here. Youre correct about the 2 transmissions in this video.
Have a 4l85e in my tahoe after blowing 2 60e trans with a cammed 6.0 My 85e just breezes thru shifts that would make my 60e feel like it was going to shatter. The transgo kit works well but Sonnax makes a relief valve so you don't have to drill the valvebody like transgo recommends. Transgo's pressure relief could potentially cause you to burn down your trans if it sticks open.
I wouldn't use the Transgo pump stuff at all.
Loved the vid Thanks, I was debating, now definitely getting the 4l80e!!
Yeah, if you can do either one... Do the 80
I had an 01 Silverado with the 4.8 making under 300 hp and the 4L60 could barely handle that power without skipping gears and not going into certain gears. Do you really think it's going to be able to handle a 1000+hp build? Jesus Christ, I hated that slush box, I'm glad somebody made this video for people like me who don't study transmissions as much. When I LS swap my Cheyenne, it's either getting a 4L80 or a TKO-500 (it's already a manual truck SM-465 gearbox).
5 years silverado 2003 4x4 with 5.3 sc, 6.0 sc and 6.0 turbo on 4L60 two times change some disc and one time the belt on a 11.60 best et on 1/4 mille track and every weekend race on 1/8, 100 ydr dirt or sand, one on a million 4l60.
Interesting thought about the 700r4. I put a 4.8 in my K5 Blazer and kept my 700r4 with no adapter from Bowtie Overdrive, I made it for free with a welder and some scrap steel. I might post a video on it. The engine isn't making any power over stock
That would be helpful to people. I totally understand wanting to keep what you have.
@@TheDrivewayEngineer Here's my take on the 700r4 behind an LR4: ruclips.net/video/haSv8OzD0rM/видео.html
Ok thanks for the video . Now my question is I have a stock 4.3 and I rebuilt my 4l60 . Now in your opinion is it worth switching to the 4l80 ? Now I love to drop an ls engine in here one day.
I'd do both at the same time
Would love to swap out my 60 to an 80 in my Silverado but the swap is a nightmare. If I had a garage I would probably do it.
I have an 05 gto with the 4l65e that somebody had rebuilt and upgraded at 80k miles, car has 133k miles. When it does eventually go out, I’ll either upgrade to a 4l80 or a 6l80. I don’t anticipate it going out anytime soon as I don’t dog on it all the time, so it’ll hopefully be a couple years before I do the swap
If you've removed the protections in the tune, the clock is ticking
I had my 4L70 built and bullet proofed so they say but I swear I’ll never use a 4L60 or 700 ever again. I’m tired of messing with transmissions in my trucks.
4l60e's have treated me well my 98 Z71 Silverado has 341 000km on it and there's always a load in the box and I've had as much as 13 700lbs behind the truck before and that 4l60e has never bin touched has never let me down I have no idea why people diss them I've owned many 4l60s they have all served me well. I will point out I'm 28 years old I don't bag drive my truck when I need the feel for speed or a rush that's when I dig out my CRF 450R. My truck has stock size tires no stupid mods other then 3" dual exhaust and cowl hood. No tunes no cams no blower's so on so forth. I just drive them and maintain them took my last 4l60e till almost half million km (km not miles im In Canada ) before she lost the third forth clutch pack's. The truck was a 1994 Silverado 2wd ecsb 5.7tbi.
Yes. 60's work great under normal/light, towing/hauling. All these rants are pointed towards people who increase hp in there car/truck then burn up the trans shortly there after. They then complain about how terrible they are. People just don't understand that a stock trans is designed for stock use. Nothing else
@@jsee2385 That's right. And fuck used transmissions they buy these used worn out transmission get 10 000km out of them then they blow and then the guys like piece of shit what a piece of shit trans even though the guy himself is a piece of shit dumbass. I like my 4l60e's personally there cheap to buy there plentiful and cheap to rebuild once mine goes I'm going to rebuild it myself with the strongest replacement parts available and I'll take it another half a million km.
The 60s work fine in the vetts, factory rated at 450hp. Sure the 80s will be stronger but I've had no problems with 60s on stock motors, the v6 ones just have a lower 1st gear, but it's the same other than that.
@@joedirt3820 hell my 4l60s have treated me well in all my 88-98 trucks my 98 Z71 Silverado 4l60 has a ton of km on it still works like new and it tows and hauls regularly
Do a vid on setting up a manual shift th400 for road racing.
He’s right!!! I have a 4l60e built. Circle d torque converter, 2800 stall, corvette servo, shift kit, heavy duty flex plate on a 01 ws6, its a mild build but that 4l80 is better....
Thank you for putting this information out
If you upgrade all the hard parts in a 60 they hold up pretty well.... But it is pretty expensive lol
My 60e puts up with 150 shot nitrous launches on et street r’s in a 5000lbs truck.... 🤷♂️
I just found your channel and I’ve been learning a lot. I’m new to a lot of this and I’m trying to research ls swaps before I have stupid ideas I can’t act on. My question is what vehicles should I try looking at in the junkyard or in general for a 4l80e transmission.
The easiest place to look is 8 lug work vans.
The Driveway Engineer thank you I appreciate i
Monster sends you a mock up transmission basically. You need to completely tear it back down and actually make it right but they atleast send you everything together lol you get what you pay for though.If you can’t build your own,I would recommend a local salvage yard before I would buy from them.
I have a 4l80e not sure the condition. It's going behind a BBC 427 with a procharger. The builder said conservatively 850hp. Any suggestions on what to do with the trans?
The rpm drop on the 1-2 shift in a 60 is unacceptable for me. Especially with newer automatics having between 6-10 gears.
The rpm drop on an 80 is even more lol
Sonnax makes a front planetary that gets them a bit closer together albeit almost $1000 for the part
Glad I decided to go 80e in my ls obs
Does a 4l80e bolt right up to a 5.3 if not what do I need to install it
Yes it does bolt up. You need a different flywheel to do it though.
Thanks for the imfo👍
Good information
Thanks
Thks good video i like what you said but I have payed to have the 4l60 rebuild and the up grades its a stock 5.3 in my 1974 surberbon I had bought the howlle wiring harness ill do the 4l80 next on thks
I appreciate your video. What trans would you recommend for an LS swap using a 6.2?
In general I try to stick with what they come with, so a 6L90 is what I'd use
Helpful thanks!
The 60e can be built to handle 700+ hp. The 80e is not exactly unbreakable, but it is tougher, for sure. Making an 80e fit into your vehicle can take some chop-work, too.
For some chassis, an 80 isn't an option, and that sucks.