Could you make video comparison between i3 12100f vs Ryzen 3 1200...I have Ryzen 3 cpu and I would like to see what to expect if I upgrade to i3...thanks!
price to performance its the absolute best value you can get and nothing comes close, only 10% slower than 12400 but thats if you dont really plan on upgrading. Get the i5 and you should be good for a long time, thats why its generally the most recommended budget cpu
power consumption: i7 - 95 W i3 - 58 W base power 3300 mhz i3 - 89 W turbo power 4300 mhz don't believe in such a low power consumption i3 at 4100 mhz in this test intel reports on its website a constant consumption of i7 95 W even when clocked at 5000 mhz. During this test i7 works at 4300mhz so the consumption should be lower than 95W and I agree with the consumption around 70W
Another thing to note with these benchmarks, the performance might be skewed slightly because of the new chips using DDR5 memory and the older chips using DDR4 memory. Could be some scenarios where the i3 performance would be lower if it was using the same memory configuration as the i7 here
Things to note. i3 4 cores is limiting and shows in the .1% lows and high/low frame drops. Both CPUs are locked at base frequency. The i3 is impressive architecturally but the 8700k at boost frequency or OC'd 4.7 to 5ghz on all cores is less of a bottleneck. Currently run a delidded 8700k with a 3080 10gb and 10gb is more of a bottle neck at 2k and 4k than the CPU. obvs a 5600x or any of the newer Intel 6 cores would mopp the floor but ppl are selling off used gaming rigs at rock bottom prices so good deals can be found locally
Did we watch the same video? The frame time graphs look almost identical. If the i3 12100 is limited by the 4 cores than what about the i7 8700 being on PCIe 3.0 (vs 5.0), and only having 256kB of L2 cache per core (vs 1.25MB). Only having 4 cores is a bottleneck for the i3 12100 but the i7 8700K has a list of other bottlenecks.
@@lharsay lol PCI 3.0 vs 5.0 and more cache yea....games still like raw frequency and cores are cores dude. Obviously you didn't notice the 8700k was 10 frames higher on the .1% and 1% lows for most games which will give you a smoother experience even in the average frames are still the same. Also who are you? Why so butt hurt about a 4 core processor... It's still a 4 core processor no matter how many threads it's got. It's max locked speed is 4.3ghz on turbo boost. The 8700k again is unlocked and can go to 5ghz. Your saying 2 more full cores all at 700mhz faster wouldn't have any effects on testing? Anyway who cares if you have a 12100f enjoy it.
@@johncampbell4084 1% lows from this video (picked from roughtly the middle of the footage): Forza: i7 wins by 5 frames Cyberpunk: i7 wins by 2 frames Hitman: i3 wins by 12 frames Days Gone: i7 wins by 15 frames God of War: i3 wins by 4 frames GTAV: i3 wins by 3 frames RDR2: i7 wins by 4 frames Horizon Tero Dawn: i3 wins by 4 frames Flight Simulator: i3 wins by 3 frames PUBG: i7 wins by 3 frames WHERE is the massive i7 win you were talking about? Also he didn't touch the core frequencies on the i7 but that's some premium DDR4 3800MHz memory right there, many 8700K chips might not even be able to run that memory frequency. About PCIe 3.0, in most games it doesn't matter but then there are the ones like Spiderman Remastered where a PCIe 3.0 motherboard can straight up cost you 10% of your fps.
@@johncampbell4084 Also if games still like the raw frequency over cache, please enlighten me how on Earth did the Ryzen 7 5800X3D gain ~20% performance over the 5800X despite 400MHz reduction in base and 200MHz in max turbo frequency?
I finally upgraded from an FX8320 to a rig that has an i7 8700k and GTX 1060 6GB and the difference in performance is jaw dropping. I was able to install an NVME M.2 SSD into the new PC and everything loads much faster. I'm very happy with it.
I bought an i7 8700, 16Gb RAM and GTX 1060 6Gb for only 250€. Now I will upgrade it with a better heatsink... I hope I don't spend more than €100 for that.
@@torvaltz8064 cause you can actually oc your 8700"k" cpu to about 5.2ghz and this video seems lock the 8700k at 4.3ghz and the 8700k with the motherboard and the ddr4 ram would be much cheaper
a GREAT cpu and the best value but further into this generation when devs start using the16 threads on consoles it might be hard to game on 8 threads so i5 12400f will be my choice for futureproofing
@@moabd7575some better b660 is good enoguh for this (example: b660 gaming x ddr4 from gigabyte) and for a cooler, some 2 tower air cooler with 2x120mm will do the job just perfect
@@moabd7575 Bruh use b660 or h670 OC on CPU is shit and 12600k is very efficient get a hyper 212 (good but cant go be safe for i7 with more than 125 watt ) Or MA 612 (recommended )
Then you're killing off everything above. So no. i3 and the rest of i5 lineup will have 8 E cores for raptor lake. Let's hope the Pentium has some as well (just 4... please !) So they can finnally have HT on the Celeron and ditch 2c /2t once and for all
I heared about Raptor Lake CPUs : i3 13300 can use 4/8 or max of 4+2/10 i5 13400F with 6/12 or max of 8/16 i5 13600K with (8+4/20)/(6+6/18) i7 13700K 8+8/24 confirmed i9 13900K and KS 8+16/32
@@daemonx867 13300 surely won't be that way. It could be 4+4 or 4+8, each cluster of 4 E cores is there (or not) at once. 13600K seems more and more like 6+8
@@NamTran-xc2ip The i3 cannot be overclocked. It's locked down in the BIOS. Don't worry, though. Overclocking the 8700K improves frame rates by only 5-10% in games. It's not that much.
Whilst the i3 performance is really good, keep in mind the CPU usage percentage. When doing nothing but playing a game, the performance between these 2 chips are very close, but if you want to do any kind of multi tasking, like gaming on one monitor and social media/internet tabs on the other screen, you'll start to see performance degrade sooner on the i3 because it has less cores. The more cores, the better it will be at maintaining performance whilst multi tasking
The performance loss in minimal, as social media and brosers and etc. barely need any performance. It will be a 5% difference maybe. Dont get me wrong, 6cores is what I would recommend nowdays, as a 5600 only costs a few bucks more for way more performance, so the i3 id a stupid idea unless you are on a very thight budget, but the difference isnt as big as you think
I think it is also worth noting that single core performance here still matters. Single threaded applications will still benefit from recent improvements (IPC, cache, etc.) that contribute to better single core performance. It is not always just a number of core count battle. But of course core count still does matter, just not only. For example games nowadays lack the optimization that I think are enforced during the early days, as devs then had less to work with. Today, I've had my fair share of single threaded heavy games that just makes my other cores close to being worthless.
Another thing to note with these benchmarks, the performance might be skewed slightly because of the new chips using DDR5 memory and the older chips using DDR4 memory. Could be some scenarios where the i3 performance would be lower if it was using the same memory configuration as the i7 here
that's an arbitrary statement though without knowing ram timings. Speed is not a pure measure of goodness. you can have 3000mhz ram cl 14 and it's almost equivalent to 3800 cl18 ... on the Intel tighter timings seems to help .1% and 1% lows vs just getting "faster ram"
@@xstongames4778 all of those games that were tested do not take advantage of multi core cpus... theyre very heavily singlethreaded games.. of course the i3 will perform better in those
@@saricubra2867 8700k heats up more with 6 cores than a 10900k with 10 cores does. Both the same manufacturing process but a different die and ihs design. 8th gen is VERY hot
The 8700K sure was a great CPU in its day. When I built a new rig (13600K with a Z790 DDR5 board), I gave the 8700K machine to my wife to play card games and shop online. Nonetheless, I will always love that processor.
Fun fact. i7 was tested with overclocked memory. i3 was deprived of memory overclocking. Although this also gives a small increase. I had the 12100f in overclocked tests. Overclocked to 5GHz with 6200MHz memory, the 12100f is already competitive with the stock 10900f. In some places it even bypasses.
12100f on average 4,18% faster than 8700k but if we consider lows too, the two processors are equal, since 8700k has 1,77% higher 1%s and 6,69% higher 0,1% (i know, meme percentage) if we maximize avg, 1% and 0,1%, 8700k is slightly better
@@acwbit2368 In gaming i3 is better, and if u want editing power why would u go with an old gen i7?I dont see the reason saying 6 cores and 12threads. Why dont u just go for an i9 12th gen if u want editing?
Yoo I was expecting it to get destroyed. my good ol` 8700k still kicking ass. I own a 12700k right now though. it's a freakin beast! got it cheap on Microcenter.
I got a used alienware aurora r7 with a intel 8700 and nvidia gtx 1080ti for 350 usd and its been the best smartest buy ive made in a long time. Ive contemplated upgrading it but cant see a good reason to do so. I might upgrade the gpu eventually but even then i dont see a huge need for it as anything over 1080p gaming is just dumb in my opinion and the 1080ti handles 1080p easily. The only drawback yo my particular system is the pcie being a x16 wired up as a x8 which limits how far it makes sense to take the gpu upgradability with this motherboard but the nice thing is the motherboard is one of the cheapest parts to change out espdcially for this old of a cpu so if that becomes a issue down the road its not a big deal. I debated getting a newer am5 amd cpu but really cant see why i would want to unless i decide to upgrade my 4k monitor to a higher refresh rate down the line but then i likely would need to also upgrade everything else.
4460 here. Before that I had Phenom II X4 965, so it seems to be mu usual upgrading cycle. But I want to see next gen AMD CPUs before doing so. Few months more. Already bought 6950xt, which will last many years.
@@RudolfSikorsky That's awesome that you bought the RX 6950 XT, I upgraded my GTX 1060 6GB to an RX 6600 three months ago, it's worth the GPU upgrade for me. 😃
@@SuperDott98 Well going for 4k gaming (Single player RPG-S mostly, so framerates doesn't matter much (60 is still must, of course) but eye candy a lot.) Was considering 6800xt but here in Estonia they are still very overpriced while 6900xt/6950xt are at MSRP. (6800xt costs as much as 6900xt, strange, isn't it?)
@@RudolfSikorsky I know right? The 6800 XT should cost less at MSRP. Three months ago, I bought a brand new RX 6600 on eBay for $429.99 USD after I sold my GTX 1060 6GB for $260.
I guess its not the competition (amd) that push intel forward but game developer (requirements) and course of time (r&d) that push intel amd nvidia and apple silicon
OMG, thnx AMD for competition However my 8700k used to work on 4800 all cores
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Something is wrong, an avg of 50~70w may be causing the frequencies to work under the turbo freq... My 8086K goes over 100w with no effort and works almost 100% of time at 5GHz while gaming.
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Why 8700k is only using 60~70w avg? Its a 95w TDP and my i7 8086K (95w) goes easy over 100w... something is wrong with this 8700K...
95W TDP doesn't mean it pulls 95W at all time. That figure is for all core workload at a specific Intel specified clock speed. No CPU draws the full rated power in a gaming workload. The 12100F is also rated at 58W but will only pull half of that while gaming.
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@@krazyfrog Yeah I know, I dont mean that it needs to pull all 95w all the time or even more, but I can play 60~80 fps in the same place the test was done. The major difference is that I'm using a 7 year old graphics card, not a RTX 3080. My i7 8086K goes over 126w power and I'm testing with a Galax GTX 980 HOF. What I mean is that this i7 8700K is not using all his power, its more than capable to make more FPS than the video shows (probably in all games tested). And both processors are similar, the 8086K is just an overclocked version of the 8700, but they have the same specs. And about the workload, to give equal conditions, I've 1st tested with only main softs open, as Steam/Rockstar, MSI and GTA. Later I did with chrome to compare the FPS with the one in the video.
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@@krazyfrog I'm pretty sure that this i7 can push much more than 50% of GPU usage! And for example... here: ruclips.net/video/bPD_PXCuM9s/видео.html we got an i7 8700K + RTX 3070 using 86w, runing closer to 100~120 FPS, 2560x1080... the same as the RTX 3080 in Full HD. Some settings may be different, setting the preset to ultra may prevent this kinda difference. Not the same place, but i cant find one! The next video does not show settings, but match GPU and CPU (ruclips.net/video/1jyQHkg3eu8/видео.html) and the avg was closer to 130 FPS. And i'm gonna test Cyberpunk 2077 (i7 8086K + GTX 980 HOF) to see how game goes (I already can hear my 980 crying, but its ok, its fine)
i love this new i3, pair it with asrock cheap itx and old gt1030, my multimedia pc has smooth performance yet lower power a leap performance from my old 10105f
I have an i7-8086k and an 8700k and both can hit 5.2ghz, but I had an i5-8600k which could only hit 5.0ghz with 1.31v. According to Silicon Lottery, the worst 8700k's can only do 4.9ghz but a Silicon Lottery winning 8700k/8086k can hit 5.3ghz. Also, tweaking the Uncore helps a lot more than what people think it will.
Still the 4 core from Intel hunting down amd fanboys that called 4 cores dead 10 years ago when the first bulldozer allegedly 8core hit the market, too bad this 4 core would brutally destroy every ryzen till the 5000 series
Хз перешел с 10400 на 12100 - геймплей даже на глаз плавнее, графики мониторинга показывают тоже самое: 0.1% 1% - 59 кадров фар край 5 за 15 минут геймплея. Правда, играя даже в мост вантед (2005) и включая музон вк, ловлю дикие просадки и лаги везде, на 10400 такого никогда не было. Не могу понять, в чем причина((
@@karamba0 был и тот и тот, лучше конечно 11400. 12100 чисто игровой проц, 11400 может еще в работе много чего, даже с 6500хт записать геймплей 264 в фаст пересете. Только жрет в 3 раза больше)
So the 8700k is still holding its own. Better frame times for the most part due to the 4 extra threads. Also, 4.3 fhz seems low for the 8700k, I don't remember stock specs for it, which might explain why you have it there, but with adequate cooling most 8700k's could easily get upto or near 5.0 easy. Case in point intels first special edition chip of recent release, the 8086k anniversary edition, was sold as a 5.0 chip. Granted, that was also a binned piece of silicon so results may vary for the retail version but adding 400-600 mhz to the 8700k was not uncommon. I am impressed to see what intel has done in only 2 architectures, as 6,7,8,9, and 10 were essentially the same before they backported 11th gen. They pretty much added 1/2 a cores worth of performance if a quad core can hold its own with a hexa core. Thank you amd for the competition.
The 8700k runs at 4.3ghz stock, across all cores. Some z370 and z390 boards have a BIOS option called MCE (Multi-Core Enhancement) which will clock the 8700k up to 4.7ghz across all cores. It's usually not worth enabling MCE because it sets the core voltage too high, you're just better off manually overclocking it at this point. Any 8700k can run at 4.7ghz stable with 1.2v to 1.25v..... and a fair amount of them can clock to 5.0ghz with 1.3v. Although at 5.0ghz, you might run into some thermal issues, even with a good cooler, because Intel used Thermal Paste between the IHS and CPU die.
У меня і5 8400 с gtx 1070 в pubg на мин. настройках грузится на 100% всегда. Вот думаю есть смысл менять на і7 8700 или брать новый комплект с і3 12100 🤔
So I need to upgrade my motherboard and CPU at a cost of around $500, and all the time and work to do it, and hope that there's no faults or other hardware or software problems from the swap. For a few FPS more? Worst upgrade ever.
No se ve que vaya mal pero supongo que un i3 12100f va mal con una rtx que es gama alta, para la i3 12100f yo tengo una gtx para tenerlo equilibrado o no aprovechara la tarjets grafica al maximo
One thing seems to me sure is that both CPU's are severe bottleneck for the 3080. And looking at 2nd hand prices of the i7-8700k, the i3 is clearly the choice between them
А теперь меняем 8700k частоту на 5ГГц ,ведь вы брали 8700 с буквой k чтоб его разгонять,а не в стоке гонять,убираем у 12100 ddr 5 память,и 8700k улетает в космос,про разрешение qhd и uhd вообще молчу там 12100 отдыхает.
12th gen is beta test. Deal with it. I bought 10900K+Aorus Master Z590+fast DDR4 memory instead of 12600K+meh motherboard and DDR4 (DDR5 is fucking expensive and too slow atm). Overclocked Comet Lake i9 has the same performance as overclocked 12600K at 1% and 01% FPS. That's all you need to know. Looking forward for upgrade on 15th gen cpu or Zen 5 :D
@@secondary5913 i owned both and more and know what i'm talking about. You can continue to watch fake tetsts or use your own brain. You'll never get i5 which is faster than i9 in games or i3 faster than i7. It doesn't work like that. 12600K has the same gaming performance as 10900K using DDR4 memory. If u can't try it then watch comparison on i2hard channel. It's kinda gamersnexus and even better in aspect of gaming benchmarks.
@@ek2who the i9 10900k consistently uses 30-50 a more watts in games compared to the 12600k and it still manages to trade blows with an i9. lets say you overclock the i5 to around the same power draw. There's no doubt in my mind that even with ddr4, the 12600k will beat the 10900k in games.
Turning on ray tracing and dlss in some games can have a somewhat heavy cpu performance cost, so a better cpu will make sure it's not dragging down your gpu performance whilst ray tracing/dlss
I have tested an i3-10100 and an Rtx 3060 in 1080p and some 1440p modern gaming and found it to be a good pair. Not perfect, but I do not mind. Not a workflow powerhouse combination, but things get done. Nowadays the prices are OK in my opinion, although it is still possible to overpay in more expensive regions.
Para el i3 12100f maximo recomiendo una rtx 3050 y para rtx 3060 en adelante si es que tienen el presupuesto pues se compran el i5 12400f ya que un i3 12100f puede ir con una rtx 3060 pero no la aprovecha y no me gustaria tener cuello de botella en cualquier resolucion
Не слабо так устарел 8700 вот только недавно перешел на 12900 и пропали лаги в играх, процик на 30-40 максимум загружается в основном 20%, раньше эти лаги прям очень сильно бесили, казалось бы топовый проц, а какие-то лаги не понятные =)
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Games :
Forza Horizon 5 - 0:06 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesForza5
CYBERPUNK 2077 - 1:16 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesCP2077
Hitman 3 - 2:18 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesHitman3
Days Gone - 3:16 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesDaysGone
God of War - 4:09 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesGoWPC
GTA 5 - 4:55 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesGTA5
Red Dead Redemption 2 - 6:05 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesRDR2
Horizon Zero Dawn - 7:03 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesH0D
Microsoft Flight Simulator - 8:08 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesMFS20
PUBG - 9:17 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesPUBG
System:
Windows 10 Pro
Core i3 12100F - bit.ly/3f1iVHx
MSI MPG Z690 Force - bit.ly/3GVTNi6
32Gb RAM DDR5 5200Mhz - bit.ly/3BOxlni
Intel i7 8700K - bit.ly/3gYH14A
Asus ROG Strix Z390-F Gaming - bit.ly/34Vop2L
32Gb RAM DDR4 3800Mhz - bit.ly/2YmtsEA
GeForce RTX 3080 10GB - bit.ly/3hUikXp
SSD - 2xSAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB - bit.ly/2NmWeQe
Power Supply CORSAIR RM850i 850W - bit.ly/3i2VoGI
Could i see your riva tuner settings please? :)
Could you make video comparison between i3 12100f vs Ryzen 3 1200...I have Ryzen 3 cpu and I would like to see what to expect if I upgrade to i3...thanks!
The i7 8700k is fine for gaming in 2023. It holds up well to the i3 12100f despite its age.
Don't need i5 or i7 to play games now. I3 is already enough
for those who multitask the i5 6/12 is still always recommended.
No shit Sherlock
But the bottleneck
price to performance its the absolute best value you can get and nothing comes close, only 10% slower than 12400 but thats if you dont really plan on upgrading. Get the i5 and you should be good for a long time, thats why its generally the most recommended budget cpu
@@madeinchina967 at 1080p...
It's also remarkable how much less power the i3 is consuming for same or better performance. Great efficiency!
power consumption:
i7 - 95 W
i3 - 58 W base power 3300 mhz
i3 - 89 W turbo power 4300 mhz
don't believe in such a low power consumption i3 at 4100 mhz in this test
intel reports on its website a constant consumption of i7 95 W even when clocked at 5000 mhz. During this test i7 works at 4300mhz so the consumption should be lower than 95W and I agree with the consumption around 70W
@@yogimis i have an i7 8700k and at 5 Ghz it uses 167w. So 95w I'd say it's pretty optimistic.
@@yogimis believe it or not, but mine 12100f also uses 20/30w when gaming
@@yogimis At least in my case my 12100f consumes 35/40w average when gaming practically same as in this vid
@@Robbertdelange XD. My 13900K consumes 200W while gaming
The I3 isn't a joke any more🤯
CPU usage too high = future bottleneck and stuttering from bad frametimes at cpu limit !
@@0ssi170 u have i3 just put a hell hound rx 6600
Nunca lo ha sido
never was
Another thing to note with these benchmarks, the performance might be skewed slightly because of the new chips using DDR5 memory and the older chips using DDR4 memory. Could be some scenarios where the i3 performance would be lower if it was using the same memory configuration as the i7 here
8700k still going strong for over 4 years now, the upgrade from 4 to 6 cores is really helping it nowadays
it helps more the 1% and 0,1% lows
@@Leonardo-hy3qj true.
@@Leonardo-hy3qj 0.1 not 0,1
YES, all thanks to Ryzen
Things to note. i3 4 cores is limiting and shows in the .1% lows and high/low frame drops. Both CPUs are locked at base frequency. The i3 is impressive architecturally but the 8700k at boost frequency or OC'd 4.7 to 5ghz on all cores is less of a bottleneck. Currently run a delidded 8700k with a 3080 10gb and 10gb is more of a bottle neck at 2k and 4k than the CPU. obvs a 5600x or any of the newer Intel 6 cores would mopp the floor but ppl are selling off used gaming rigs at rock bottom prices so good deals can be found locally
Did we watch the same video? The frame time graphs look almost identical. If the i3 12100 is limited by the 4 cores than what about the i7 8700 being on PCIe 3.0 (vs 5.0), and only having 256kB of L2 cache per core (vs 1.25MB). Only having 4 cores is a bottleneck for the i3 12100 but the i7 8700K has a list of other bottlenecks.
@@lharsay lol PCI 3.0 vs 5.0 and more cache yea....games still like raw frequency and cores are cores dude. Obviously you didn't notice the 8700k was 10 frames higher on the .1% and 1% lows for most games which will give you a smoother experience even in the average frames are still the same. Also who are you? Why so butt hurt about a 4 core processor... It's still a 4 core processor no matter how many threads it's got. It's max locked speed is 4.3ghz on turbo boost. The 8700k again is unlocked and can go to 5ghz. Your saying 2 more full cores all at 700mhz faster wouldn't have any effects on testing? Anyway who cares if you have a 12100f enjoy it.
@@lharsay also look 3.0 vs 5.0 PCI would effect what exactly? What do you think PCI interface is for? Look at real world testing of gpus on PCI 3 vs 4
@@johncampbell4084 1% lows from this video (picked from roughtly the middle of the footage):
Forza: i7 wins by 5 frames
Cyberpunk: i7 wins by 2 frames
Hitman: i3 wins by 12 frames
Days Gone: i7 wins by 15 frames
God of War: i3 wins by 4 frames
GTAV: i3 wins by 3 frames
RDR2: i7 wins by 4 frames
Horizon Tero Dawn: i3 wins by 4 frames
Flight Simulator: i3 wins by 3 frames
PUBG: i7 wins by 3 frames
WHERE is the massive i7 win you were talking about?
Also he didn't touch the core frequencies on the i7 but that's some premium DDR4 3800MHz memory right there, many 8700K chips might not even be able to run that memory frequency.
About PCIe 3.0, in most games it doesn't matter but then there are the ones like Spiderman Remastered where a PCIe 3.0 motherboard can straight up cost you 10% of your fps.
@@johncampbell4084 Also if games still like the raw frequency over cache, please enlighten me how on Earth did the Ryzen 7 5800X3D gain ~20% performance over the 5800X despite 400MHz reduction in base and 200MHz in max turbo frequency?
I hope to see more cores on the i3 versions at least e cores it will be a great upgrading
nope... maybe in the next next gen (14th) i3 (Meteor Lake) will be some e-cores... but in the non-K raptor lake i5 gonna be 4 e-cores
@@Soulleey it will be so sooner or later that's the matter
Comparing 5 Generations of Intel i5 Processors! 12600K vs 11600K vs 10600K vs 9600K vs 8600K
@@Soulleey who said raptor lake i3 wouldn't be 4+4 or 4+8 ? Everybody gets E cores with the new gen. 13600(K)(F) will be 6+8.
@@Spido68_the_spectator really ?
I finally upgraded from an FX8320 to a rig that has an i7 8700k and GTX 1060 6GB and the difference in performance is jaw dropping. I was able to install an NVME M.2 SSD into the new PC and everything loads much faster. I'm very happy with it.
how much did you buy it? I am planning to sell my 8700k 32gb ram z390 motherboard soon.
@@alrizo1115 your setup would prob still get you $150-200
I bought an i7 8700, 16Gb RAM and GTX 1060 6Gb for only 250€. Now I will upgrade it with a better heatsink... I hope I don't spend more than €100 for that.
@@torvaltz8064 cause you can actually oc your 8700"k" cpu to about 5.2ghz and this video seems lock the 8700k at 4.3ghz and the 8700k with the motherboard and the ddr4 ram would be much cheaper
a GREAT cpu and the best value
but further into this generation when devs start using the16 threads on consoles it might be hard to game on 8 threads so i5 12400f will be my choice for futureproofing
If you can afford than buy 12600k cuz it's better at multi or single than 11900k and 5700x
@@LightMCXx right but you will need a cooler and z690 motherboard and you'll end up paying a lot
and as a budget gamer i cant afford this shit tbh😂😂
@@moabd7575some better b660 is good enoguh for this (example: b660 gaming x ddr4 from gigabyte) and for a cooler, some 2 tower air cooler with 2x120mm will do the job just perfect
@@moabd7575 Bruh use b660 or h670
OC on CPU is shit and 12600k is very efficient get a hyper 212 (good but cant go be safe for i7 with more than 125 watt )
Or MA 612 (recommended )
@@moabd7575 Z690 good but 670H have all expendability as Z690 but B660 is more than also.
Okay, now with that level of power per core we need i3 6/12 and i5 8/16 on raptor lake :D (Obviously no E-Core variants)
Then you're killing off everything above. So no.
i3 and the rest of i5 lineup will have 8 E cores for raptor lake.
Let's hope the Pentium has some as well (just 4... please !) So they can finnally have HT on the Celeron and ditch 2c /2t once and for all
Dream on, Luis. You'll get that transition three or four years from now, but not before.
I heared about Raptor Lake CPUs :
i3 13300 can use 4/8 or max of 4+2/10
i5 13400F with 6/12 or max of 8/16
i5 13600K with (8+4/20)/(6+6/18)
i7 13700K 8+8/24 confirmed
i9 13900K and KS 8+16/32
@@daemonx867 13300 surely won't be that way. It could be 4+4 or 4+8, each cluster of 4 E cores is there (or not) at once.
13600K seems more and more like 6+8
@@Spido68_the_spectator Imagine a 13600K beating a 7900X or 7950XT
I7 8700k paired with a 1080ti was no joke lol
That was my setup in 2017. Now I have a 3070 laptop(legion 5 pro)
Yeah. 8700K with 1080ti @ 1080p, will max every game bar ray-tracing, Cyberpunk and RDR2, for 60+fps. Still doing great at 1440p.
@Salt Maker lmao
@Sai The Truth 60% of the 4090 performance will be wasted
@Sai The Truth yeah but in your initially comment you said you have i7-8700k paired with 2080 and that you're going to take 4090
Thanks so much for sharing!! Helps us a lot, prayers be with you.
why is the 8700k not overclocked to a stable 5000MHz? performance difference will increase significantly
The Big différence is: Intel 12th gen = ddr5 5200mhz.... And 8700k --> 4300mhz vs 5000mhz = 10fps won.
Uh to make a fair comparison...
The i3 is also not OCed
@@NamTran-xc2ip The i3 cannot be overclocked. It's locked down in the BIOS. Don't worry, though. Overclocking the 8700K improves frame rates by only 5-10% in games. It's not that much.
@streamx3m i am sorry, "4300mhz vs 5000mhz " 🤣🤣🤣 haha
@@selohcin you can overclock non k cpu's trough the bclk
Whilst the i3 performance is really good, keep in mind the CPU usage percentage. When doing nothing but playing a game, the performance between these 2 chips are very close, but if you want to do any kind of multi tasking, like gaming on one monitor and social media/internet tabs on the other screen, you'll start to see performance degrade sooner on the i3 because it has less cores. The more cores, the better it will be at maintaining performance whilst multi tasking
The performance loss in minimal, as social media and brosers and etc. barely need any performance.
It will be a 5% difference maybe.
Dont get me wrong, 6cores is what I would recommend nowdays, as a 5600 only costs a few bucks more for way more performance, so the i3 id a stupid idea unless you are on a very thight budget, but the difference isnt as big as you think
I think it is also worth noting that single core performance here still matters. Single threaded applications will still benefit from recent improvements (IPC, cache, etc.) that contribute to better single core performance. It is not always just a number of core count battle. But of course core count still does matter, just not only. For example games nowadays lack the optimization that I think are enforced during the early days, as devs then had less to work with. Today, I've had my fair share of single threaded heavy games that just makes my other cores close to being worthless.
I think the performance gap between them on games will get only bigger in advantage of the i3
Imagine how good i3 13100f be, might be as good as 10900k
i dont think it will Evan come close
Maybe the 15100f will be like the 12900k
10900K bulldozer.
I don't think there's going to be 13th gen i3
Just like 11th gen i3 it was a refresh from the 10th gen
@@yaman7008 yeah it's pointless both from consumers and businesses perspective
I wonder how old Ryzen 7 2700X would compare to the new AMD Ryzen 5 4500?
4500 slighty faster
@@aditrex just slightly ?
4500 ever so slightly faster
@@Thedeathofpeaceofmind ye
@@blazesmooth5573 Have you tested them?
Another thing to note with these benchmarks, the performance might be skewed slightly because of the new chips using DDR5 memory and the older chips using DDR4 memory. Could be some scenarios where the i3 performance would be lower if it was using the same memory configuration as the i7 here
5200mhz DRR5 is really slow for DDR5, its performance is the same as 3800mhz DDR4. In gaming atleast
@@otozinclus3593 sure. but no) diff like 10-20 fps
that's an arbitrary statement though without knowing ram timings. Speed is not a pure measure of goodness. you can have 3000mhz ram cl 14 and it's almost equivalent to 3800 cl18 ... on the Intel tighter timings seems to help .1% and 1% lows vs just getting "faster ram"
I was gonna go for an 8700k but this just confirmed I need to upgrade the platform/motherboard too thank you!
And Ryzen 1600/1700/1800 owners with a bios upgrade. Can now pop a Ryzen 5800 3D or 5950X in the same AM4 motherboard from 5 years ago.
@@qrogueuk no one asked
@@aksyy3875 Just stating a fact
@@qrogueuk they right tho
8700K Will be relevant for another 2-3 years in all games
its struggling in cs2 due to stuttering and frame drops :(
@@sikimasioi3 as well. I have i3 12100f with RX 580 and usually I get 250 fps average but sometimes it drops to 140 even
8700k works at 4300Mhz so technically it is just i7-8700. Usually 8700k is overclocked to 4700-4800 Mhz.
Good ol 8700k still holds up pretty well
Losing against i3 is holding good?
@@xstongames4778 all of those games that were tested do not take advantage of multi core cpus... theyre very heavily singlethreaded games.. of course the i3 will perform better in those
@@SweatyFeetGirl cp 2077 doesnt take advantage of multi core cpus? Tf are you talking about..
Comparing 5 Generations of Intel i7 Processors! 12700K vs 11700K vs 10700K vs 9700K vs 8700K
@@МальвинаКотик-л1ъ cp2077 prefers 2-4 threads but with lots of ipc
That i7 8700k is still today a freaking BEAST!!
one of the best cpus ever made.
It also has serious OC potential.
bro really ? the price 4x i3 lol
8700k is one of the worst chips intel ever made. It gets way hotter because they didnt design the chip and the ihs properly because of lack of time
@@SweatyFeetGirl Nah, 9700K. 8 cores, less cache and no HT unlike 9900K.
@@saricubra2867 8700k heats up more with 6 cores than a 10900k with 10 cores does. Both the same manufacturing process but a different die and ihs design. 8th gen is VERY hot
It's funny that my parents and most people I have talked to still think that the i3 from 12th gen is far worse than an i7 from 5-6 gen ago
It took five years for the i3 to equal the gaming performance of an i7. Interesting.
The 8700K sure was a great CPU in its day. When I built a new rig (13600K with a Z790 DDR5 board), I gave the 8700K machine to my wife to play card games and shop online. Nonetheless, I will always love that processor.
Fun fact. i7 was tested with overclocked memory. i3 was deprived of memory overclocking. Although this also gives a small increase. I had the 12100f in overclocked tests. Overclocked to 5GHz with 6200MHz memory, the 12100f is already competitive with the stock 10900f. In some places it even bypasses.
12100f on average 4,18% faster than 8700k
but if we consider lows too, the two processors are equal, since 8700k has 1,77% higher 1%s and 6,69% higher 0,1% (i know, meme percentage)
if we maximize avg, 1% and 0,1%, 8700k is slightly better
Same performance and 20-30w less power consumption..Impressive
and 5 years later mate
@@ufanisoneetze U compare an i7 top with a budget i3 lmao. Ofc the i3 its still better and more impressive
@@culixul better? Mf the i7 has 6 cores and 12 threads
@@acwbit2368 In gaming i3 is better, and if u want editing power why would u go with an old gen i7?I dont see the reason saying 6 cores and 12threads. Why dont u just go for an i9 12th gen if u want editing?
@@culixul 4 cores are dying and 6 cores are main stream
i3 12100F = Ultimate bang for the buck.
I have one 4.9 ghz with 4200 cl 16 ram and 3070Ti. 200 Fps in witcher 3 novigrad.
@@club4ghz Nice 👍👌
@@club4ghz so you BCLK overclocked it ? Nice ! How much power does it take though?
Yoo I was expecting it to get destroyed. my good ol` 8700k still kicking ass. I own a 12700k right now though. it's a freakin beast! got it cheap on Microcenter.
How do u expect the worst 12th gen cpu to do better than 2016s flagship
@@blazesmooth5573 man shut up
@@blazesmooth5573 2017
@@NamTran-xc2ip makes my point even better thank u
@@blazesmooth5573 not sure how it's better. I used to own this chip and I think the older it is, the more proud you should be?
I would like to see i7 8700 (non K) vs i5 12400F if you have both of them.
I got a used alienware aurora r7 with a intel 8700 and nvidia gtx 1080ti for 350 usd and its been the best smartest buy ive made in a long time. Ive contemplated upgrading it but cant see a good reason to do so. I might upgrade the gpu eventually but even then i dont see a huge need for it as anything over 1080p gaming is just dumb in my opinion and the 1080ti handles 1080p easily. The only drawback yo my particular system is the pcie being a x16 wired up as a x8 which limits how far it makes sense to take the gpu upgradability with this motherboard but the nice thing is the motherboard is one of the cheapest parts to change out espdcially for this old of a cpu so if that becomes a issue down the road its not a big deal. I debated getting a newer am5 amd cpu but really cant see why i would want to unless i decide to upgrade my 4k monitor to a higher refresh rate down the line but then i likely would need to also upgrade everything else.
Still rockin' with my i7-8700. 😄
4460 here. Before that I had Phenom II X4 965, so it seems to be mu usual upgrading cycle. But I want to see next gen AMD CPUs before doing so. Few months more. Already bought 6950xt, which will last many years.
@@RudolfSikorsky That's awesome that you bought the RX 6950 XT, I upgraded my GTX 1060 6GB to an RX 6600 three months ago, it's worth the GPU upgrade for me. 😃
@@SuperDott98 Well going for 4k gaming (Single player RPG-S mostly, so framerates doesn't matter much (60 is still must, of course) but eye candy a lot.) Was considering 6800xt but here in Estonia they are still very overpriced while 6900xt/6950xt are at MSRP. (6800xt costs as much as 6900xt, strange, isn't it?)
@@RudolfSikorsky I know right? The 6800 XT should cost less at MSRP. Three months ago, I bought a brand new RX 6600 on eBay for $429.99 USD after I sold my GTX 1060 6GB for $260.
I guess its not the competition (amd) that push intel forward but game developer (requirements) and course of time (r&d) that push intel amd nvidia and apple silicon
Imagine if the GPU market was also like this - from a perf/$ perspective!
It used to be, 10 years ago or more.
OMG, thnx AMD for competition
However my 8700k used to work on 4800 all cores
Something is wrong, an avg of 50~70w may be causing the frequencies to work under the turbo freq... My 8086K goes over 100w with no effort and works almost 100% of time at 5GHz while gaming.
Why 8700k is only using 60~70w avg? Its a 95w TDP and my i7 8086K (95w) goes easy over 100w... something is wrong with this 8700K...
95W TDP doesn't mean it pulls 95W at all time. That figure is for all core workload at a specific Intel specified clock speed. No CPU draws the full rated power in a gaming workload. The 12100F is also rated at 58W but will only pull half of that while gaming.
@@krazyfrog Yeah I know, I dont mean that it needs to pull all 95w all the time or even more, but I can play 60~80 fps in the same place the test was done. The major difference is that I'm using a 7 year old graphics card, not a RTX 3080. My i7 8086K goes over 126w power and I'm testing with a Galax GTX 980 HOF. What I mean is that this i7 8700K is not using all his power, its more than capable to make more FPS than the video shows (probably in all games tested). And both processors are similar, the 8086K is just an overclocked version of the 8700, but they have the same specs. And about the workload, to give equal conditions, I've 1st tested with only main softs open, as Steam/Rockstar, MSI and GTA. Later I did with chrome to compare the FPS with the one in the video.
@@krazyfrog I'm pretty sure that this i7 can push much more than 50% of GPU usage! And for example... here: ruclips.net/video/bPD_PXCuM9s/видео.html we got an i7 8700K + RTX 3070 using 86w, runing closer to 100~120 FPS, 2560x1080... the same as the RTX 3080 in Full HD. Some settings may be different, setting the preset to ultra may prevent this kinda difference. Not the same place, but i cant find one! The next video does not show settings, but match GPU and CPU (ruclips.net/video/1jyQHkg3eu8/видео.html) and the avg was closer to 130 FPS. And i'm gonna test Cyberpunk 2077 (i7 8086K + GTX 980 HOF) to see how game goes (I already can hear my 980 crying, but its ok, its fine)
i love this new i3, pair it with asrock cheap itx and old gt1030, my multimedia pc has smooth performance yet lower power
a leap performance from my old 10105f
you can easily overclock i7-8700k to 5ghz and no need to upgrade)
I have an i7-8086k and an 8700k and both can hit 5.2ghz, but I had an i5-8600k which could only hit 5.0ghz with 1.31v. According to Silicon Lottery, the worst 8700k's can only do 4.9ghz but a Silicon Lottery winning 8700k/8086k can hit 5.3ghz. Also, tweaking the Uncore helps a lot more than what people think it will.
이런 비교 영상 올려주셔서 너무 감사합니다.. 복 받으실거에요!
Nope ;(
Still the 4 core from Intel hunting down amd fanboys that called 4 cores dead 10 years ago when the first bulldozer allegedly 8core hit the market, too bad this 4 core would brutally destroy every ryzen till the 5000 series
Хз перешел с 10400 на 12100 - геймплей даже на глаз плавнее, графики мониторинга показывают тоже самое: 0.1% 1% - 59 кадров фар край 5 за 15 минут геймплея. Правда, играя даже в мост вантед (2005) и включая музон вк, ловлю дикие просадки и лаги везде, на 10400 такого никогда не было. Не могу понять, в чем причина((
Тем временем я с i7 3770)
@@karamba0 вери жеска((
@@riki-s что лучше на твой взгляд 11400 или 12100?
@@karamba0 был и тот и тот, лучше конечно 11400. 12100 чисто игровой проц, 11400 может еще в работе много чего, даже с 6500хт записать геймплей 264 в фаст пересете. Только жрет в 3 раза больше)
@@riki-s спасибо
8700k a 4.3 ghz en todos los juegos?, cuando lo tuve corria a 4.7 ghz sin overclock, el i7 no esta probado a su maxima capacida
El i3 tiene un IPC 40% mayor o un poco mas. Incluso con overclock en el 8700K, la diferencia en IPC es demasiado grande para ser ignorado.
So the 8700k is still holding its own. Better frame times for the most part due to the 4 extra threads. Also, 4.3 fhz seems low for the 8700k, I don't remember stock specs for it, which might explain why you have it there, but with adequate cooling most 8700k's could easily get upto or near 5.0 easy. Case in point intels first special edition chip of recent release, the 8086k anniversary edition, was sold as a 5.0 chip. Granted, that was also a binned piece of silicon so results may vary for the retail version but adding 400-600 mhz to the 8700k was not uncommon. I am impressed to see what intel has done in only 2 architectures, as 6,7,8,9, and 10 were essentially the same before they backported 11th gen. They pretty much added 1/2 a cores worth of performance if a quad core can hold its own with a hexa core. Thank you amd for the competition.
No. 12100 is a low budget model
The 8700k runs at 4.3ghz stock, across all cores. Some z370 and z390 boards have a BIOS option called MCE (Multi-Core Enhancement) which will clock the 8700k up to 4.7ghz across all cores. It's usually not worth enabling MCE because it sets the core voltage too high, you're just better off manually overclocking it at this point. Any 8700k can run at 4.7ghz stable with 1.2v to 1.25v..... and a fair amount of them can clock to 5.0ghz with 1.3v. Although at 5.0ghz, you might run into some thermal issues, even with a good cooler, because Intel used Thermal Paste between the IHS and CPU die.
Why 8700k frequency is 4300 MHz?
Must be 4500 in stock
And it's easily overclocks to 4,8-5
5.1 easy all cores
No. 8700k stock frequency all core active is 4,3ghz
спасибо за показ энергопотребления
please compare all i9 from gen 8 to gen 12
So i5 12400F is Better than i7 8700K and i3 12100F Having same perfomarmance
for those who multitask the i5 6/12 is still always recommended.
@@warssaudeetecnologia9180 obviously but im talking in terms of performance in gaming but i think the best cpu is the 12600K
Wow, that i3 is really humbling the i7. Imagine that: what was a top chip is about on par with a much cheaper, almost entry level model.
will this be able to play warhammer space marine 2?with a 6600 xt
Games today still aren't thread optimized.
I prefer game sound more than music. Don't add music again
У меня і5 8400 с gtx 1070 в pubg на мин. настройках грузится на 100% всегда.
Вот думаю есть смысл менять на і7 8700 или брать новый комплект с і3 12100 🤔
I3 2 year to up i5 13500 😅😅
@@makatakata6962 выбирал между i3 12100 и i7 8700 а взял r5 5600 😁🤣
Every new i3 has better performance with the same price than previous.
But every i7 k is future proof.
i feel like Dying Light 2 may have a big difference, any chance u can run quick test
So I need to upgrade my motherboard and CPU at a cost of around $500, and all the time and work to do it, and hope that there's no faults or other hardware or software problems from the swap. For a few FPS more? Worst upgrade ever.
why there's different type of RAM? Isn't it making 12100f more efficient on test?
Ok this is incredible
€145 for a used i7 9700 or €164 for a new i3 12100 with mobo (ASUS Prime B660M)?
Don't you all forget, he is testing the i3 with the ddr5 ram, which is not at all practical
No se ve que vaya mal pero supongo que un i3 12100f va mal con una rtx que es gama alta, para la i3 12100f yo tengo una gtx para tenerlo equilibrado o no aprovechara la tarjets grafica al maximo
One thing seems to me sure is that both CPU's are severe bottleneck for the 3080. And looking at 2nd hand prices of the i7-8700k, the i3 is clearly the choice between them
In 4k there is no bottleneck. I have a rtx 3080 ti and i7 8700k.
OC i7?
А теперь меняем 8700k частоту на 5ГГц ,ведь вы брали 8700 с буквой k чтоб его разгонять,а не в стоке гонять,убираем у 12100 ddr 5 память,и 8700k улетает в космос,про разрешение qhd и uhd вообще молчу там 12100 отдыхает.
best budget for i3 gen12 for now a day... best tdp power of cpu...
Show us performances without 3080 graphic card
12th gen is beta test. Deal with it. I bought 10900K+Aorus Master Z590+fast DDR4 memory instead of 12600K+meh motherboard and DDR4 (DDR5 is fucking expensive and too slow atm). Overclocked Comet Lake i9 has the same performance as overclocked 12600K at 1% and 01% FPS. That's all you need to know. Looking forward for upgrade on 15th gen cpu or Zen 5 :D
that's just a flat out lie lmao.
@@secondary5913 nope
@@ek2who you don't need to overclock a 12600k for it to be better than a 10900k lmao
@@secondary5913 i owned both and more and know what i'm talking about. You can continue to watch fake tetsts or use your own brain. You'll never get i5 which is faster than i9 in games or i3 faster than i7. It doesn't work like that. 12600K has the same gaming performance as 10900K using DDR4 memory. If u can't try it then watch comparison on i2hard channel. It's kinda gamersnexus and even better in aspect of gaming benchmarks.
@@ek2who the i9 10900k consistently uses 30-50 a more watts in games compared to the 12600k and it still manages to trade blows with an i9. lets say you overclock the i5 to around the same power draw. There's no doubt in my mind that even with ddr4, the 12600k will beat the 10900k in games.
Damn 50% less power draw
The i3-12100F is a $99 champ!
Pov me with i3 5005U watching the evolved i3
with this i3 it is enough for an RTX 3090, more likely for the Ti. I am looking forward to an i3 13000.
depends on your resolution and the game you play, if you use 4k, then an i3-12100 is ok to pair with a RTX3090Ti
@@神里綾華-d8r nah, but now that I go to more than 30, and I go to 60 in 2k and 90 in 1080p I'm happy.
Turning on ray tracing and dlss in some games can have a somewhat heavy cpu performance cost, so a better cpu will make sure it's not dragging down your gpu performance whilst ray tracing/dlss
It's almost a fair win. The new intel core i3 😄
Compare this is to the 11900k see the 1 year difference
8700 overclocked would slap that i3
really it doesnt bottleneck i3 is very cheap and very powerfull, woaw.
I have tested an i3-10100 and an Rtx 3060 in 1080p and some 1440p modern gaming and found it to be a good pair. Not perfect, but I do not mind.
Not a workflow powerhouse combination, but things get done.
Nowadays the prices are OK in my opinion, although it is still possible to overpay in more expensive regions.
I cant wait for next gen CPU's My 8700 is choking my 3080.
@Salt Maker I don't have an 8700k. Please stop, 😄 Every benchmark has the 8700 way behind the 12700 variants with the same gpu.
@Salt Maker Both of your replies have been answered in my original comment 😆. Take the "L" my guy.
And look at the i3's power consumption... Same as a GameBoy....
you bought an i7 8700"k" but you lock it at 4.3Ghz ? i actually does lock my i7 8700k at 5.2ghz
Guess I’m sticking with 9700k even longer
It's more than enough for atleast 3 more years. Don't get into marketing team gimmicks. The difference in gaming is negligible
i also use 9700k its good it peobably will be good for at least 2 more years
interesting result
2017-2018 i7 8700k the best cpu to gaming now i3 is better,
make i3 9100 and i3 9100f, please
You are using 5200mhz ddr5 ram with i3 not fair
Para el i3 12100f maximo recomiendo una rtx 3050 y para rtx 3060 en adelante si es que tienen el presupuesto pues se compran el i5 12400f ya que un i3 12100f puede ir con una rtx 3060 pero no la aprovecha y no me gustaria tener cuello de botella en cualquier resolucion
DDR-5 test vs DDR-4 not a 12100 vs 8700
Baad
just buy the i3-12100f its literally 2x cheaper and a very similar performance
If you only game at 60hz (60 fps) any 8 thread cpu from the past 10 years is enough.
i7 8700k is a ROCK
Не слабо так устарел 8700 вот только недавно перешел на 12900 и пропали лаги в играх, процик на 30-40 максимум загружается в основном 20%, раньше эти лаги прям очень сильно бесили, казалось бы топовый проц, а какие-то лаги не понятные =)
8700k stock nice test (
Gawd damn Alder Lake
300$ vs 90 this Sounds logical
Who buys an I3 will have ram memory that works at 5200MHz?
friendly reminder that this is about $100
Thanks.
I can OC my 8700K to 5000MHz. so still better~
This is stock vs stock... stop crying lol
it still plays fine + 3060 ti
Lol, testing with ddr5 memory. Price 32 gb ddr5 only ~= 32 gb ddr4 + motherboard + 12100f.