I redid this video because G2 & Pimax 8KX were slightly out of focus. What do you think of the VR-3? Worth the money? Will there be a consumer version?
I sure hope so, it seems like one of the better options on the market right now in terms of quality and features. I'd definitely buy one as long as it didn't have a monthly/yearly fee.
I've come to the decision that if there was an option to buy the VR-3 without that subscription, I might actually get it at the current price. SO I hope Varjo doesn't do that so I can protect my meager savings!
"slightly". Row 11 looks more like inside the headset now. Thank you Sebastian. But to be honest... ruclips.net/video/2Ah1faUUCwI/видео.html is still way off. The 8kx and the Reverb are much closer and both are still out of focus....I appreciate that you try and it is difficult to film through the lens, but people base their decision of what they buy on videos like this
Varjo! Make a name for yourself and sell a consumer version. Your product can put Valve to shame. Be the Bugatti to their Bentley. lol ( I understand that Sebastian likes Porsche references)
Well this is the problem with these new headsets, and new technology, it's needs at least 3-10years to be at a price where everyone can buy it, until than vr will be just a very expensive hobby, and there are not even high budget games where you need a headset like this.
@@UmbraWeiss Yes, unless it is subsidized, the cost is a big issue for the consumer. However, the immaturity of the games market is not so bad. Big budgets are risk averse, and AAA releases are fairly stagnant for flatscreen. Smaller teams are taking great creative risks in VR right now, and it is a golden age of sorts. They are piloting tomorrow's genres for bigger budgets.
I do wish Varjo would make a consumer version, even if that just meant dropping the subscription and the Super High Resolution focus display to lower the price entry a bit.
It's almost like Varjo discovered a gold mine, with the biggest clusters of diamond rock meshed together, and then varjo decides to build a fence around it and leave it as is. If they would decide to make a consumer version, they will instantly skyrocket and become the world's most valuable company. I mean I would actually consider paying $3000 for it. Only thing that puts me of is that yearly business fee. They should not sleep too much though, as we speak a few dozen Chinese companies have stripped their devices open and copying it.
Amazing. I hope in five years that consumer VR will offer products which have the clarity of the Varjo headset. (And that GPUs to power said headsets are actually available and priced bloody reasonably)
That's the main issue. It's not that difficult for a company to make a high-spec headset, Pimax did that years ago. The problem is that even the most powerful (and expensive!) GPUs currently available still aren't powerful enough to handle them.
Dear Varjo, How are you? After seeing MRTV videos showing your headset, we have been thinking about you day and night thinking when will us get to the metaverse with you. Please Varjo, come to us, we will love you. Yours Truly, VR Consumers
Great impressions. Wish there would have been a comparison in gaming/video performance. Varjo definitely needs a consumer oriented version of their headset. When I first saw the high focus mode I couldn't distinguish it from reality (it is only a very limited vision area), it was surreal. I would even pay 2k, but their yearly subscription model is a no-go for me.
the still image of the 8kx in the side by side at 3'58 isn't a fair comparison at all- it's a still of the 8kx in motion and blurred because of the motion- the icon for hellsplit arena in the side by side comparison for the 8kx is blurred but when you go back to the actual 8kx footage when the hellsplit arena icon is still/not moving and in the sweet spot at 0'36 it's much clearer and sharper than the G2 side by side still shot and very close to the vr-3 still shot in the side by side which is much more accurate- having the 8kx myself I know it's tack sharp most of the time especially with sharpening added with the FSR mod- go back to those two points in the video as proof and watch in 4k on a large screen- also the vr-3 has better edge to edge clarity vertically but less so horizontally- blurs much sooner on the horizontal plane (which may be related to the distortion of the aspherical lenses)- so all in all the 8kx is much better value at less than a quarter the VR-3 price, especially when the 8kx comes with a much bigger, immersion enhancing fov with clarity which is one of the best going and almost as great as te VR-3- certainly great enough for 99% of all vr games - what resolution did you set the 8kx to? increase moderately above 100% steam resolution and the ppd matches or surpasses the G2 anyway
I love my G2, resolution, screen quality and 90Hz will definitely keep me satisfied for years to come. But it would be cool if you could upgrade the current fresnel lenses with aspheric lenses... But that's probably just a dream that will never come true.
@@gregprouse1173 not at all. It's extremely sharp and crisp. People have trouble finding the "sweet spot", primarily because they don't know how to fit the head strap. but this has also been improved (along side increased FOV) with a new gasket in the V2 version. (personally I bought an aftermarket gasket which is similar to the new one, however I didn't find the improvement to be exceptional. But that's probably because I learned how to fit the device on my head)
@@gregprouse1173 yeah, you're GPU can't push full resolution in most games. I would guess around 60-70% of the resolution more like it. you can force 100% resolution in Steam VR, but you might get a headache from the low fps. Also, VR can become blurry if you don't have perfect eye-sight. My brothers condition was reversed in the headset, in real life he has difficulties focusing afar. But in the Reverb G2 he had trouble focusing up-close. So there's definitely many parameters to consider when it comes to VR. I have perfect eye-sight and the Reverb G2 is increadibly sharp... not like real life, but for VR it's amazing. :)
As a Reverb G2 owner, that Varjo VR-3 is just stunning, even compared to the G2. But even if they were selling them to the public, no way in hell are we going to buy one for anywhere even remotely close to 3000 euro. Get it under half that price and we'll see. Still, nice to see VR HDM development advancing. Thanks for the letting us know about the new (v2) cable for the Reverb G2 (to sort out AMD USB issues) - I only noticed this recently. I got my free replacement yesterday and everything excellent so far.
@@Fearlessphil100 yeah!, a kit with a better fiel of view mask mod, spherical lenses, controllers with better tracking and it would still be cheaper than the Varjo lol
I did the Samsung gear aspheric lens mod to my HTC vive and it was night and day.. here they're talking about it with the g2 www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/l6bfnn/hp_reverb_g2_mod_samsung_gear_lenses/
All HP has to do for the next one is replace the current lenses (small sweet spot) to something like the varjo where the sweet spot is edge to edge and it would be a hot seller.
1 year and 2 days after i received my G2 the right display started flickering. The retailer did NOT give me waranty. So I called HP, they did help me and send a new HMD witch I received the next day at home. I was so surprised by HP helpdesk. On topic, I dont think the price diff between the G2 an VR-3 is worth it to me.
With the G2 you have got a complete working out-of-the-box solution, which is of course inferior to the Vario, but has the advantage of a very low price.
Appreciate what you're doing here Seb but I still feel G2 and 8kx both become a blurry mess when you discover Varjo, not a popular opinion but that has been my experience.
G2 costs 450 compared to Varjo 3000 euro + hefty annual subscription + accessories(?). Massive difference. Still, as you already know (if you've actually tried VR), the G2 is FAR from a "blurry mess" - check out the many vids on this very channel.
@@g-maniac8670 Read my post - a product costing at least 7 - 8 times that of the G2 damn well better be better, lol. Next you'll be telling us that a Cheetah is faster than a Turtle.
Thanks again for your amazing YT videos mate. I've used aspherical lens on my oled Vive Pro (Etsy Gear VR lens mod, Index controllers) for almost 2 years now and love it. No current consumer headset can match this, for me at least. In the future I'm looking forward to seeing VR headset makers incorporating aspherical lens, and also hopefully high res, fast oled's.
The biggest problem with G2 is a sweet spot Pimax 0:48 vs G2 1:28 vs Varjo 2:30 - just look at the upper left corner and these labels. With G2 everything is excellent but in the very narrow window - the sweet spot is so small that everything outside it is just a mess :/ The conclusion is: just wait as some company will make a headset like Varjo but for the people. Technology is here, so this is just a matter of time.
Really appreciate your professionalism in re-doing this video Sebastian. I was one of the ones in the VR3 Discord that brought up the 8KX discrepancy in what I felt was an incorrect comparison of its clarity (G-Man85). To be clear, I'm mainly talking of the still images. I also confirmed this last night in this same ROV app on my 8KX, and had taken a through the lens pic to also add to the discord, but you beat me to it with your re-upload haha. This is much closer to what I see (not the hellsplit comparison though). Still not quite as good as i see, but I also realised how hard it is last night to get a good through the lens shot, so I am happy in what you have presented as now being close enough, as I'm sure it is difficult in the other headsets too (maybe not the VR3 haha ; p). So again, well done Sebastian. We really appreciate your effort and openess to admit and address flaws. A very good trait to have, and why we enjoy your channel. Keep it up mate! :D PS: and yes, again, please make us a consumer VR3 Varjo! These would sell like hot cakes! As Seb said, drop the focus lens, subscription, and start sending those bad boys out already! ;D
Actually... I'd be really happy if Pimax (or someone) would come out with a spherical lens to replace the Fresnel lens in the existing Pimax 8KX. I bet a lot of other Pimax owners would go for that too!
at 3:56 the 8kx is still out of focus in this video, the Hellsplit icon is very blurry. If it was really like that, nobody would be happy with the 8kx!
I bought one!!!! Because I fly and it is great for Flight Sim! Yes, they need to make a commercial version but if you contact them there are ways to get this headset through their vendors.
Not sure why you would compare a headset costing $3,600 (base stations and controllers not included) to one that retails for $599 and is often sold discounted for $299.
We want a consumer version. The great picture is also due to the high-res OLED display optically combined in the center giving the high 70 ppd together with the superior lenses. If possible we would also like 120 fps and higher FOV but less features and no subscription , it should be easy peasy.
Keeping in mind, the images seen in this video are only using the LCD screen too. A very good LCD screen at that. Completely agree with you on the rest too. :)
@@granthartley I actually saw a post from a worker at Varjo that the center high res screen is always is use (otherwise it would be black in the center). I just don't think it's optimized.
@@justaguydoinstuff Yes, I read that same post from the Varjo employee too. He insisted it was always on in steam VR apps. However, he later proved himself wrong and has confirmed via the Varjo software that it is indeed turned off unless supersampled beyond what our GPUs are currently capable of running smoothly at. There is a setting in the Varjo base software that allows the user to see which panels are being used/projected to at any one time. It shows 4 images when it is running a native app, but only the 2 peripheral screens when in steam VR (unless excessively supersampled).
In what resolution of the goggles did you make this comparison, because Reverb G2 work natively in 6k 6300x3300 for 100% Supersampling, and 4k for 50% Supersampling. The comparison should be made for the same set resolution of 3 goggles according to fpsVR. Was it so? 🤔🤔🤔
$2000 for a 3090 gpu which isn’t available still plus about $2000 for varjo headset if they offer to consumers. That’s $4,000 for us who don’t have the 3090 which means we would also need to upgrade our pc with stronger CPU. So probably additional $1000 which makes it roughly $5,000. Come on stock investments, squeeze!!
Oké varjo listin for a bit, i dont know if you people read this but do you Guys understand how much money you could grab with releasing a consumer version it would be insane you Guys could use money for whiping the varjo vr3 lenses PLS RELEASE A CONSUMER VERSION 😀
I NEED a consumer version of the VARJO VR-3 for the current prices of that headset and just the headset alone along with the subscriber is outworldly ridiculous (5000euros plus 1500euros per year subscription). They MUST release a consumer version that we can purchase for $2,299 after tax including two handsets, chargers and all other necessary connections and appliances. This also need to not come with a subscription, screw that! We want the very best of the best and at that price I'll buy it today. Heck. I'll be happy to do a review of the Varjo VR3 if the company reach out to me. Maybe they could cut me a special deal on one of their used models under second hand sales or something. I don't know know but I want that device.
Hello! I have the hp reverb g2 and a 2080super gpu, in simulators I go to 90fps... with an 8600k. I need a recommendation: should I improve the graphics card or should I buy the VARJO AERO? Thank you!
These are absolutely three different markets and “should not” be compared. Besides, one is a prototype, and they’re never offered to Walmart customers. Hence, the G-2 is the best, due to the fact that this guy’s sitting around watching RUclips if not playing games ( not much income). Pimax is number two in line. This guy’s getting an allowance, and he’s not married yet. ( may or may not be working ). Next we have the VR-3. In its present version, this is for the person that can afford to fly a Honda Jet at least once a week, or possibly owns the next best thing. At its present quality it doesn’t appear to be marketable on the same level. Comparing apples and oranges is one thing, but adding a banana is a bit too much.
I was mightily impressed by the Varjo VR3 results... Until the pricing came out. 3k is already steep but then you demand an extra 800 every year? You guys have lost your ever fucking loving minds. If this were not priced in the stratosphere people like me would buy it thus more units moved lower price per unit. Simple economics. As it is the production numbers will stay super low as there is no way regular consumers are touching that kind of pricing. Even small businesses will give a hard pass to this so only larger companies will even consider this.
3k$ and 800/year subscription? Nah that's just monopolistic garbage. If they can make vr with that clarity then other companies will be soon to follow in the next few years at a much more reasonable price
Please, launch a consumer one . I would then loose weight as won't eat for at least 4 months. I will need to spend all my salary for a whole year just to buy the googles + a cutting edge PC with the most expensive parts. This just to be able to turn on the googles. Now my HP reverb G2 is useless and life is not worth living anymore. XD
Yikes, don't know how you didnt mention the horrible dark pixels the Varjo has. You can see them looking at the white text at the end of the video. Looks like mud. Bad LCD quality.
The Varjo VR-3 looks great, please make it cheaper, I've been waiting for the pimax to become less, but you have a great product, so many of us would buy it in preference.
It's an interesting comparison (I watched the original video) but each headset has a purpose. I have both the G2 and the 8KX. The G2 is the best at the price point hands down. The 8KX has the best FOV but doesn't match the G2 for crispness but has a bigger sweet spot. It's also twice the price of the G2. The Varjo clearly has superb clarity but is twice the 8KX price with a subscription plan that gamers don't need and no audio system at all so that's a miss. Therefore "Best" is subjective as ever.
Varjo is best, but over 3X the price of the 8KX when factoring in the subscription. 8KX > G2 when 8KX settings are dialed in. Very little clarity loss, bigger sweet spot, gorgeous colors.. and huuuuuge FOV. Not subjective at all. Can't use my G2 anymore with the toilet paper roll FOV. ; ) LOL!
I agree it is subjective, it pretty much always is. Also there is the issue of how much computing power you need to run each one. Sebastian even mentioned this with a setting on the Varjo at 8:55 where he talked about needing a 4090 to be able to run that setting. For those that don't know, the 4090 is the Nvidia 4090 graphics card not yet released and you will need a good bank balance to get one. In my humble opinion the G2 is at a sweet spot in giving excellent results on a standard gaming computer most gamers can afford. Increasing FOV, pixel's per eye add to what you need to run the headset, it's pretty much that simple.
@@tomholy Sebastian was refering to the usage of the additional high resolution focus display in the center of the screen of the Varjo, where he mentioned the 4090. This screen is not active in his setup, so he is basically telling: "Even without that additional high resolution screen (which is disabled on my system), the picture already looks amazing" And without the usage of this additional focus screen, it runs on current hardware. According to MRTV anyway.
@@ExtremCoxer Yes he has very good current hardware and I'm pretty certain it's better than the average gamer has. Thank you for explaining what he was referring to.
@@tomholy I had to say it, but the average PC gamer is probably best off with a Quest 2. G2 still takes a bit more horsepower, has crappy tracking, and isn't to my knowledge compatible with x570 mobos. But overall, someone looking for the best experience who doesn't have $5,500 for the VR-3 (insane), should be looking at the 8KX for now. 8KX factory settings are pretty bad, takes some tweaking to get the most out of it. At least it can be tweaked!
i mean varjo VR 3 is good but in a year or two there will be even better quality than this in consumer products under 500 $ so them having this prohibitive price and that stupid 800 $ per year is not a smart business model ... and if there are distortions that can't be compensated then there is a big problem ...
Why don’t you just tell us that they are releasing a consumer version in the next month or two? It’s obvious given how much you have been pimping it. Just let us know how much it’s gonna be.
I think the next phase for VR is going to be VR glasses, where it has the lenses and very thin LCD/OLED screens, super fast miniature cpu and some very light covering, which will make it possible to wear the "glasses" on daily basis and then even in a small studio apartment like mine it will convert it into anything I can imagine, it could be a 5 star hotel room, a room on the enterprise, a studio on mars and then further with "object recognition technology", that's bound to be invented, that will enable existing objects to be recognised in VR and then enable a VR room that a person can fully interact with and live in. I'm waiting for that. Please let me know when it's available for consumers 👍
If this is how much better these aspheric lenses are then I can't quite fathom why most VR manufacturers chose the fresnel lenses instead. :-o Is the distortion on aspheric lenses bad or just for someone like you who's very hardcore about all this stuff?
According to Road to VR, VARJO is announcing a new product on Oct 21st. What do you say MRTV, any hope that our begging for a consumer VR VR-3 has been answered? Do dreams actually com true? What's the scope? Can we start the hype train? :)
It is now clear that the fresnel lenses must come to an end, they introduce a lot of crap effects that makes the image worse. When I first tried the Rift S, I noticed shit effects I didn't notice with Gear VR, and now I understeand why. If the G2 just had fresnel lenses, it would be super amazing for the next 5 years, because we wouldn't have sweet spot problems, god rays or chromatic aberration, so everything would look cristal clear.
Thanks for updating the video as I didn't think the first video was a fair comparison and was out of focus for the 8kx and g2 and now the bottom 11th line of letters is still readable on the 8kx and g2..The 8kx has a bigger sweet spot than the g2 and the 8kx's ppd can match or surpass that of the G2 simply by moderately increasing the steam resolution above 100% AND have up to 200° fov.. add the free fsr mod github.com/fholger/openvr_fsr (that significantly increases clarity with sharpening and boosts fps, like dlss does) the image in the 8kx is pretty much tack sharp (99% of the time more than clear enough to read most things perfectly well enough).. the 8kx is the most future proofed hmd (as software is optimized and pc hardware upgraded you'll get more and more out of it- the vr-3 & g2 aren't ever going to get a bigger fov).. and these comparisons are focused only on clarity.. there are many other factors to consider.. fov, comfort, price, quality of tracking, audio, number of options for tweaking, overall experience/ immersion etc.. when the vr-3 is 4x the 8kx cost yet still only comes with a narrow binocular fov and no audio solution the 8kx is the best bang for your buck at that price point as the clarity is still outstanding for almost all purposes yet also has the unbeatable, next level immersion and situational awareness enhancing nearest to real human eye fov the *overall* combined experience of these factors (plus outside/in tracking, 2 hmds in one etc) the 8kx is the best value and get the most out of it longer term.. until human eye resolution becomes more mainstream in price and it comes with 200° fov (which is years away at this point) I'm highly satisfied with the 8kx.. of course I'd love the vr-3 clarity now, but not at the current price point and it's not that much clearer than the g2 and 8kx to justify that price and like once you go vr it's hard to go back and play pancake games after, it's also hard to go back to a narrow binocular fov after having experienced up to 200° fov.. like in life, imagine you were forced to live your life with vision only looking through toilet rolls and not having your normal fov.. it would suck, yet the 8kx clarity and sweet spot and lack of screen door effect is still one of the best out there, especially when enhanced even more with sharpening with the fsr mod and increasing the resolution above 100%.. even if I had the vr-3 now I'd still use the 8kx with applications where fov is most important for situational awareness like sim racing and flight simming etc and use the vr-3 when I just want to enjoy the highest clarity.. that's what RUclipsr NextGenVR does.. he's had the vr-3 longer but has confirmed his two daily drivers are still the 8kx and vr-3 (to pick and choose between depending on what's most important) and has abandoned the g2 and vive pro 2.. those that say that many who had the 8kx now have the vr-3 and don't use the 8kx anymore.. if that's true it's only because they (understandably) need to justify paying the extortionate price they paid for the vr-3 (I would too) but that doesn't mean the 8kx isn't better in terms of value and *overall* experience of what you get and experience with all its features *combined*... when you're fully immersed and in the moment you aren't pixel peeping so much, which is what you want.. ultimate *immersion* and the wide fov of the 8kx absolutely contributes in a big way to that immersion- older but still relevant video as to why fov really matters- ruclips.net/video/ElwNsjcxI0w/видео.html
@@douglasingram8881 absolutely love it after I took the time to fully dial it in to my specific vision, face shape and pc specs.. that clarity/sweet spot combined with up to 200° fov and being two hmds in one (4k/ eye at up to 90hz or 1440p/eye upscaled to the 4k panels at up to 114hz all at up to 200° fov) and the best tracking, very comfortable, the only future proofed hmd.. the combination of all these and many other factors make it an unparalleled experience like no other and highly immersive as a result- possibly the most immersive considering the overall experience you have with all these features and more combined (and optimum 'immersion' is ultimately what we mostly all really want- 'clarity' is only one factor in making that immersion optimal)
Thank you for saving me money. I had 8kx already, bought hp reverb G2 due better clarity before read your explanation above, went back to Pimax 8kx after do exactly what you said. The clarity now is way better than my new reverb G2 and i won't upgrade to Varjo aero anymore. Thank you again.
@@wmsytalo you're welcome.. glad to help..I am still getting aero to see what its like but 8kx is still unprecedented when you combine max clarity with the mods AND unparalleled fov at the same time.. the aero will likely be sharper (I hope) but still the gap in clarity between the 2 is certainly narrowed with the mods and all of course it's clear enough for most applications anyway and you get that super immersive fov the aero will never compete with.. I'm getting the Aero to see what all the fuss is about for myself and to have the CHOICE to choose between what I currently see as max immersion (8kx) or super max clarity (aero)
Pimax 8KX and the Reverb G2's LCD Panel pixal alignment is WAY freaking OFF!! (especially compared to the VARJO) it's crazy to me how off that pixel alignment is on the first 2 headsets, the clarity would be EVEN BETTER if they just did better with their Pixel alignment... =_=
The Varjo is an amazing VR headset - I would need to win the Lotto to buy one of those if consumers could even buy it - plus you have to pay a yearly fee. I have the HP Reverb G2 V2 and if the Sweet Spot was wider would also be good. Looking straight ahead in the G2 is good, but making my eyes look to the sides or up/down I can really see the blurriness of the lenses. I do SIM racing with the G2 and I move my head instead of just my eyes and works out pretty good, but I still notice the scenery to the sides being blurry. The Pimax is also too costly for me with needing to setup and use Base Stations and controllers at extra cost. Thanks for this video and great comparisons. Take care.
The Varjo looks fantastic but the max IPD is not over 70mm, and it is not available for gaming. Maybe okay if they increase the max IPD and release a gamer version. HP Reverb G2 has a face plate that is too narrow for a larger head and the max IPD is too small at 68mm, it is uncomfortable, with a narrow FOV. I've tried the Vive Pro 2, it has too small max IPD and a very small lens focal point. I brought a Pimax 8KX and I think it is the best choice, fantastic flexibility with adjustment to many settings, max IPD 70mm + software increase, and lenses with a large focus area, and it runs fine on a RTX2080.
To be “clear,” aspheric lenses are (usually) custom designed lenses with non-spherical surfaces. Spherical surfaces are much easier to grind in a lens shop, but they suffer from spherical & chromatic aberrations. Spherical lenses are still better than fresnel lenses however, which suffer from god rays. I expect aspheric lenses will be the trend going forward, possibly using injection molded optical plastics to keep the cost down
I redid this video because G2 & Pimax 8KX were slightly out of focus. What do you think of the VR-3? Worth the money? Will there be a consumer version?
I sure hope so, it seems like one of the better options on the market right now in terms of quality and features. I'd definitely buy one as long as it didn't have a monthly/yearly fee.
2000 euro and i will buy it!
Thats why we watch you
I've come to the decision that if there was an option to buy the VR-3 without that subscription, I might actually get it at the current price. SO I hope Varjo doesn't do that so I can protect my meager savings!
"slightly". Row 11 looks more like inside the headset now. Thank you Sebastian. But to be honest... ruclips.net/video/2Ah1faUUCwI/видео.html is still way off. The 8kx and the Reverb are much closer and both are still out of focus....I appreciate that you try and it is difficult to film through the lens, but people base their decision of what they buy on videos like this
Varjo! Make a name for yourself and sell a consumer version. Your product can put Valve to shame. Be the Bugatti to their Bentley. lol ( I understand that Sebastian likes Porsche references)
Well this is the problem with these new headsets, and new technology, it's needs at least 3-10years to be at a price where everyone can buy it, until than vr will be just a very expensive hobby, and there are not even high budget games where you need a headset like this.
@@UmbraWeiss Yes, unless it is subsidized, the cost is a big issue for the consumer. However, the immaturity of the games market is not so bad. Big budgets are risk averse, and AAA releases are fairly stagnant for flatscreen. Smaller teams are taking great creative risks in VR right now, and it is a golden age of sorts. They are piloting tomorrow's genres for bigger budgets.
They cost 3k which is hugh end consumer. Most youtubers could buy one
This aged well! Aero just released lol
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I do wish Varjo would make a consumer version, even if that just meant dropping the subscription and the Super High Resolution focus display to lower the price entry a bit.
It's almost like Varjo discovered a gold mine, with the biggest clusters of diamond rock meshed together, and then varjo decides to build a fence around it and leave it as is. If they would decide to make a consumer version, they will instantly skyrocket and become the world's most valuable company. I mean I would actually consider paying $3000 for it. Only thing that puts me of is that yearly business fee. They should not sleep too much though, as we speak a few dozen Chinese companies have stripped their devices open and copying it.
@@bytejourneycodes they would easily skyrocket to the top if they just tweaked it, into a consumer version
well here it is
@@johnnyboy12029 really, where?
@@bytejourneycodes Varjo Aero
I would be a day 1 purchaser of a consumer version of the varjo.
DOIT! now
Did you buy it? (Varjo Aero)
Amazing. I hope in five years that consumer VR will offer products which have the clarity of the Varjo headset. (And that GPUs to power said headsets are actually available and priced bloody reasonably)
That's the main issue. It's not that difficult for a company to make a high-spec headset, Pimax did that years ago. The problem is that even the most powerful (and expensive!) GPUs currently available still aren't powerful enough to handle them.
A problem that foveated rendering may solve in the future ^^
@@fireaza Foveated rendering will probably help alot
Ready Player One
Dear Varjo,
How are you? After seeing MRTV videos showing your headset, we have been thinking about you day and night thinking when will us get to the metaverse with you. Please Varjo, come to us, we will love you.
Yours Truly,
VR Consumers
If there would be a consumer version ~$500 before quest 3 launch, I'd give you my money.
Yours,
Some VR dude
I hope this excellent comparison encourages Varjo to make a consumer version.
Great impressions. Wish there would have been a comparison in gaming/video performance.
Varjo definitely needs a consumer oriented version of their headset. When I first saw the high focus mode I couldn't distinguish it from reality (it is only a very limited vision area), it was surreal. I would even pay 2k, but their yearly subscription model is a no-go for me.
Varjo Aero is out, and it is just under 2k USD!
Edit: by "out" I mean you can order it
the still image of the 8kx in the side by side at 3'58 isn't a fair comparison at all- it's a still of the 8kx in motion and blurred because of the motion- the icon for hellsplit arena in the side by side comparison for the 8kx is blurred but when you go back to the actual 8kx footage when the hellsplit arena icon is still/not moving and in the sweet spot at 0'36 it's much clearer and sharper than the G2 side by side still shot and very close to the vr-3 still shot in the side by side which is much more accurate- having the 8kx myself I know it's tack sharp most of the time especially with sharpening added with the FSR mod- go back to those two points in the video as proof and watch in 4k on a large screen- also the vr-3 has better edge to edge clarity vertically but less so horizontally- blurs much sooner on the horizontal plane (which may be related to the distortion of the aspherical lenses)- so all in all the 8kx is much better value at less than a quarter the VR-3 price, especially when the 8kx comes with a much bigger, immersion enhancing fov with clarity which is one of the best going and almost as great as te VR-3- certainly great enough for 99% of all vr games - what resolution did you set the 8kx to? increase moderately above 100% steam resolution and the ppd matches or surpasses the G2 anyway
Varjo, please make a consumer version of this headset 😍
Remove subscription, remove super-resolution focus, add some controllers as Reverb G2 has - sold!
I love my G2, resolution, screen quality and 90Hz will definitely keep me satisfied for years to come. But it would be cool if you could upgrade the current fresnel lenses with aspheric lenses... But that's probably just a dream that will never come true.
The only thing that really holds it back is the FOV
but its g2 is quite blurry no?
@@gregprouse1173 not at all. It's extremely sharp and crisp. People have trouble finding the "sweet spot", primarily because they don't know how to fit the head strap. but this has also been improved (along side increased FOV) with a new gasket in the V2 version. (personally I bought an aftermarket gasket which is similar to the new one, however I didn't find the improvement to be exceptional. But that's probably because I learned how to fit the device on my head)
@@PixelShade Thats interesting because I still found it not so but then Im running a gtx 1080ti....Im hearing this could also be the issue?
@@gregprouse1173 yeah, you're GPU can't push full resolution in most games. I would guess around 60-70% of the resolution more like it. you can force 100% resolution in Steam VR, but you might get a headache from the low fps.
Also, VR can become blurry if you don't have perfect eye-sight. My brothers condition was reversed in the headset, in real life he has difficulties focusing afar. But in the Reverb G2 he had trouble focusing up-close.
So there's definitely many parameters to consider when it comes to VR. I have perfect eye-sight and the Reverb G2 is increadibly sharp... not like real life, but for VR it's amazing. :)
Vario! Pay attention please! We want your aspheric lens headset in the consumer market yesterday! Let’s GO!
Its not the aspheric lenses, Varjo uses two displays per one eye. It has a separate 1920x1920 display just for the center.
As a Reverb G2 owner, that Varjo VR-3 is just stunning, even compared to the G2. But even if they were selling them to the public, no way in hell are we going to buy one for anywhere even remotely close to 3000 euro. Get it under half that price and we'll see. Still, nice to see VR HDM development advancing.
Thanks for the letting us know about the new (v2) cable for the Reverb G2 (to sort out AMD USB issues) - I only noticed this recently. I got my free replacement yesterday and everything excellent so far.
It would be awesome to have a spherical lenses upgrade for the G2!!!
True, and a few other upgrades as well. I'm sure it would still be a lot cheaper than the Varjo.
@@Fearlessphil100 yeah!, a kit with a better fiel of view mask mod, spherical lenses, controllers with better tracking and it would still be cheaper than the Varjo lol
I did the Samsung gear aspheric lens mod to my HTC vive and it was night and day.. here they're talking about it with the g2 www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/l6bfnn/hp_reverb_g2_mod_samsung_gear_lenses/
www.reddit.com/r/HPReverb/comments/l8b4i4/my_experience_with_gear_vr_lenses_on_the_reverb_g2/
Its not the lenses, Varjo has two displays per eye. It has a separate display for the center.
varjio we want a 1500 consumer version with no annual fee i will
All HP has to do for the next one is replace the current lenses (small sweet spot) to something like the varjo where the sweet spot is edge to edge and it would be a hot seller.
1 year and 2 days after i received my G2 the right display started flickering. The retailer did NOT give me waranty. So I called HP, they did help me and send a new HMD witch I received the next day at home. I was so surprised by HP helpdesk.
On topic, I dont think the price diff between the G2 an VR-3 is worth it to me.
Varjo XR-3 VR-3 Aero Smart Glasses All-in-One Head Mounted Display that is 11 600 USD here !!!! no thx lol, had it been 1600, then maybe lol
With the G2 you have got a complete working out-of-the-box solution, which is of course inferior to the Vario, but has the advantage of a very low price.
Appreciate what you're doing here Seb but I still feel G2 and 8kx both become a blurry mess when you discover Varjo, not a popular opinion but that has been my experience.
G2 costs 450 compared to Varjo 3000 euro + hefty annual subscription + accessories(?). Massive difference. Still, as you already know (if you've actually tried VR), the G2 is FAR from a "blurry mess" - check out the many vids on this very channel.
@@ChrisM541 I own Varjo, trust me G2 is unbearable with tiny sweet spot.
@@g-maniac8670 Read my post - a product costing at least 7 - 8 times that of the G2 damn well better be better, lol.
Next you'll be telling us that a Cheetah is faster than a Turtle.
@@ChrisM541 yep, like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford. They're both cars.
is the US armed forces using pimax 12k already or is it 8k? seen a bunch of sims they do and all have the weird pimax headset
Thanks again for your amazing YT videos mate. I've used aspherical lens on my oled Vive Pro (Etsy Gear VR lens mod, Index controllers) for almost 2 years now and love it. No current consumer headset can match this, for me at least. In the future I'm looking forward to seeing VR headset makers incorporating aspherical lens, and also hopefully high res, fast oled's.
The biggest problem with G2 is a sweet spot
Pimax 0:48 vs G2 1:28 vs Varjo 2:30 - just look at the upper left corner and these labels.
With G2 everything is excellent but in the very narrow window - the sweet spot is so small that everything outside it is just a mess :/
The conclusion is: just wait as some company will make a headset like Varjo but for the people. Technology is here, so this is just a matter of time.
But i can't wait...?
@@lolitis01 Now you can buy Varjo Aero - a consumer version of VR-3.
Like the upcoming meta quest 3 ?
Really appreciate your professionalism in re-doing this video Sebastian. I was one of the ones in the VR3 Discord that brought up the 8KX discrepancy in what I felt was an incorrect comparison of its clarity (G-Man85). To be clear, I'm mainly talking of the still images. I also confirmed this last night in this same ROV app on my 8KX, and had taken a through the lens pic to also add to the discord, but you beat me to it with your re-upload haha. This is much closer to what I see (not the hellsplit comparison though). Still not quite as good as i see, but I also realised how hard it is last night to get a good through the lens shot, so I am happy in what you have presented as now being close enough, as I'm sure it is difficult in the other headsets too (maybe not the VR3 haha ; p). So again, well done Sebastian. We really appreciate your effort and openess to admit and address flaws. A very good trait to have, and why we enjoy your channel. Keep it up mate! :D
PS: and yes, again, please make us a consumer VR3 Varjo! These would sell like hot cakes! As Seb said, drop the focus lens, subscription, and start sending those bad boys out already! ;D
Did you mean that hellspit arena screenshot? 8kx picture looks much Better in reality imo.
@@MaroshBRuNo I did mean that mate. Yes, seems much better in reality. :)
Actually... I'd be really happy if Pimax (or someone) would come out with a spherical lens to replace the Fresnel lens in the existing Pimax 8KX. I bet a lot of other Pimax owners would go for that too!
Let's just hope that the Varjo performance is a signal of what's to come in the next generation of headsets from these manufacturers (hp, valve, etc.)
Really hope PS5 VR's Fresnel lenses are a god-like new piece of engineering, as Fresnel has me a bit worried. Edit: And I don't mean god rays...
at 3:56 the 8kx is still out of focus in this video, the Hellsplit icon is very blurry. If it was really like that, nobody would be happy with the 8kx!
Agreed.
I hope this competition from Varjo gives the industry a much needed kick in the ass!
The Varjo looks awesome! Would buy it to replace my G2 (if the price is right)
I bought one!!!! Because I fly and it is great for Flight Sim! Yes, they need to make a commercial version but if you contact them there are ways to get this headset through their vendors.
Hey buddy, a side by side comparison
stop yelling! I have to turn my volume almost all the way down on your videos BECAUSE IT'S SO LOUD!.
Not sure why you would compare a headset costing $3,600 (base stations and controllers not included) to one that retails for $599 and is often sold discounted for $299.
We want a consumer version. The great picture is also due to the high-res OLED display optically combined in the center giving the high 70 ppd together with the superior lenses.
If possible we would also like 120 fps and higher FOV but less features and no subscription , it should be easy peasy.
Keeping in mind, the images seen in this video are only using the LCD screen too. A very good LCD screen at that. Completely agree with you on the rest too. :)
@@granthartley I actually saw a post from a worker at Varjo that the center high res screen is always is use (otherwise it would be black in the center). I just don't think it's optimized.
@@justaguydoinstuff Yes, I read that same post from the Varjo employee too. He insisted it was always on in steam VR apps. However, he later proved himself wrong and has confirmed via the Varjo software that it is indeed turned off unless supersampled beyond what our GPUs are currently capable of running smoothly at. There is a setting in the Varjo base software that allows the user to see which panels are being used/projected to at any one time. It shows 4 images when it is running a native app, but only the 2 peripheral screens when in steam VR (unless excessively supersampled).
In what resolution of the goggles did you make this comparison, because Reverb G2 work natively in 6k 6300x3300 for 100% Supersampling, and 4k for 50% Supersampling.
The comparison should be made for the same set resolution of 3 goggles according to fpsVR.
Was it so? 🤔🤔🤔
$2000 for a 3090 gpu which isn’t available still plus about $2000 for varjo headset if they offer to consumers. That’s $4,000 for us who don’t have the 3090 which means we would also need to upgrade our pc with stronger CPU. So probably additional $1000 which makes it roughly $5,000. Come on stock investments, squeeze!!
Oké varjo listin for a bit, i dont know if you people read this but do you Guys understand how much money you could grab with releasing a consumer version it would be insane you Guys could use money for whiping the varjo vr3 lenses PLS RELEASE A CONSUMER VERSION 😀
I NEED a consumer version of the VARJO VR-3 for the current prices of that headset and just the headset alone along with the subscriber is outworldly ridiculous (5000euros plus 1500euros per year subscription). They MUST release a consumer version that we can purchase for $2,299 after tax including two handsets, chargers and all other necessary connections and appliances. This also need to not come with a subscription, screw that! We want the very best of the best and at that price I'll buy it today. Heck. I'll be happy to do a review of the Varjo VR3 if the company reach out to me. Maybe they could cut me a special deal on one of their used models under second hand sales or something. I don't know know but I want that device.
Hello! I have the hp reverb g2 and a 2080super gpu, in simulators I go to 90fps... with an 8600k. I need a recommendation: should I improve the graphics card or should I buy the VARJO AERO? Thank you!
These are absolutely three different markets and “should not” be compared. Besides, one is a prototype, and they’re never offered to Walmart customers. Hence, the G-2 is the best, due to the fact that this guy’s sitting around watching RUclips if not playing games ( not much income). Pimax is number two in line. This guy’s getting an allowance, and he’s not married yet. ( may or may not be working ). Next we have the VR-3. In its present version, this is for the person that can afford to fly a Honda Jet at least once a week, or possibly owns the next best thing. At its present quality it doesn’t appear to be marketable on the same level. Comparing apples and oranges is one thing, but adding a banana is a bit too much.
wow why does the Pimax have such aful quality? I thought it was supposed to be the second best, to Varjo
I was mightily impressed by the Varjo VR3 results... Until the pricing came out. 3k is already steep but then you demand an extra 800 every year? You guys have lost your ever fucking loving minds. If this were not priced in the stratosphere people like me would buy it thus more units moved lower price per unit. Simple economics. As it is the production numbers will stay super low as there is no way regular consumers are touching that kind of pricing. Even small businesses will give a hard pass to this so only larger companies will even consider this.
3k$ and 800/year subscription? Nah that's just monopolistic garbage. If they can make vr with that clarity then other companies will be soon to follow in the next few years at a much more reasonable price
Please, launch a consumer one . I would then loose weight as won't eat for at least 4 months. I will need to spend all my salary for a whole year just to buy the googles + a cutting edge PC with the most expensive parts. This just to be able to turn on the googles. Now my HP reverb G2 is useless and life is not worth living anymore. XD
Yikes, don't know how you didnt mention the horrible dark pixels the Varjo has. You can see them looking at the white text at the end of the video. Looks like mud. Bad LCD quality.
What does every VR youtuber have a weird accent
Shurrap 🤫
The Varjo VR-3 looks great, please make it cheaper, I've been waiting for the pimax to become less, but you have a great product, so many of us would buy it in preference.
They're missing a trick here, if they sold a consumer version surly they would make more money!!
Why invest so much money in a VR set while there aren't much AAA VR game titles available? Most VR games are indie games with crappy graphics.
It's an interesting comparison (I watched the original video) but each headset has a purpose. I have both the G2 and the 8KX. The G2 is the best at the price point hands down. The 8KX has the best FOV but doesn't match the G2 for crispness but has a bigger sweet spot. It's also twice the price of the G2. The Varjo clearly has superb clarity but is twice the 8KX price with a subscription plan that gamers don't need and no audio system at all so that's a miss. Therefore "Best" is subjective as ever.
Varjo is best, but over 3X the price of the 8KX when factoring in the subscription. 8KX > G2 when 8KX settings are dialed in. Very little clarity loss, bigger sweet spot, gorgeous colors.. and huuuuuge FOV. Not subjective at all. Can't use my G2 anymore with the toilet paper roll FOV. ; ) LOL!
I agree it is subjective, it pretty much always is. Also there is the issue of how much computing power you need to run each one. Sebastian even mentioned this with a setting on the Varjo at 8:55 where he talked about needing a 4090 to be able to run that setting. For those that don't know, the 4090 is the Nvidia 4090 graphics card not yet released and you will need a good bank balance to get one. In my humble opinion the G2 is at a sweet spot in giving excellent results on a standard gaming computer most gamers can afford. Increasing FOV, pixel's per eye add to what you need to run the headset, it's pretty much that simple.
@@tomholy Sebastian was refering to the usage of the additional high resolution focus display in the center of the screen of the Varjo, where he mentioned the 4090. This screen is not active in his setup, so he is basically telling: "Even without that additional high resolution screen (which is disabled on my system), the picture already looks amazing"
And without the usage of this additional focus screen, it runs on current hardware. According to MRTV anyway.
@@ExtremCoxer Yes he has very good current hardware and I'm pretty certain it's better than the average gamer has. Thank you for explaining what he was referring to.
@@tomholy I had to say it, but the average PC gamer is probably best off with a Quest 2. G2 still takes a bit more horsepower, has crappy tracking, and isn't to my knowledge compatible with x570 mobos. But overall, someone looking for the best experience who doesn't have $5,500 for the VR-3 (insane), should be looking at the 8KX for now. 8KX factory settings are pretty bad, takes some tweaking to get the most out of it. At least it can be tweaked!
i mean varjo VR 3 is good but in a year or two there will be even better quality than this in consumer products under 500 $ so them having this prohibitive price and that stupid 800 $ per year is not a smart business model ... and if there are distortions that can't be compensated then there is a big problem ...
Hp had it on sale for 449 and I bought it and they recieved it. they later declined it and changed the price. kinda scummy ngl
i just checked and its not showing 449. what a bunch of garbage. Makes me rethink if I want to even buy from HP at all.
@@Matthew-rp3jf yeah if they don’t give it to me for the previously said price I’m gonna get it from ebay
@@cavejohnson737 was gonna pick up one of the open box ones going for around $350 myself
Why don’t you just tell us that they are releasing a consumer version in the next month or two? It’s obvious given how much you have been pimping it. Just let us know how much it’s gonna be.
Do you have trouble with the light housetracking on pimax 8kx I'm asking to see if I should order one since my 5k super had this issue
Varjo, please make a consumer version of this headset !
400 dollars for the g2 in 2021 :D its more then double that nowadays
VARJO NEEDS TO TAKE OUR MONEY~!! holy cow can you see the difference @_@
the reverb g2 is 350 and its gong toe to toe with the pimax 8k which is 1000$
I think the next phase for VR is going to be VR glasses, where it has the lenses and very thin LCD/OLED screens, super fast miniature cpu and some very light covering, which will make it possible to wear the "glasses" on daily basis and then even in a small studio apartment like mine it will convert it into anything I can imagine, it could be a 5 star hotel room, a room on the enterprise, a studio on mars and then further with "object recognition technology", that's bound to be invented, that will enable existing objects to be recognised in VR and then enable a VR room that a person can fully interact with and live in. I'm waiting for that. Please let me know when it's available for consumers 👍
Theres already some in development, the NearLight lenses or something like that.
Surprised you didn't mention the G2's obvious colour fringing (aka Chromatic aberration). Pimax seemed to handle that better.
Yep, G2 does have it, but Varjo also has it. This was really more about overall sharpness.
Need this for us consumers Varjo!
Way to expensive. HP will dominate the market with their pricing
I wish varjo could sell it's products to south america, like more precisely, to Chile.
i am looking for a VR where i can replace my monitor and thats the vr3 but OMG comeon
Hey Varjo, please come with a consumer version for less than 1000 euro ;)
Pimax is trash. Pimax owners will justify it by the FoV which is fair but...
You're simply the BEST. Above all the rest!
Does the VARJO VR-3 have a lifetime subscription option?
What are you trying to do Varjo?!! We are not ready for this much.
I would buy the Varjo, if it were available for consumers..
so what. The varjo is not really accessible with the ridiculous subscription nonsense
If this is how much better these aspheric lenses are then I can't quite fathom why most VR manufacturers chose the fresnel lenses instead. :-o
Is the distortion on aspheric lenses bad or just for someone like you who's very hardcore about all this stuff?
Lenses are expensive. Aspheric lenses would result in pricier HMDs.
I wonder if I could trim down some aspheric lenses and 3D print something to modify my G2...
Serious.. it seems if someone could make some aspheric lens kits for existing headsets they might do really well with that!
I would buy if you can do and it works out :) Have a go haha!!
i would buy a varjo if it didnt force(?) a subscription onto you....
Just consider this, monitor screen still better reception than any high end vr right now.
According to Road to VR, VARJO is announcing a new product on Oct 21st. What do you say MRTV, any hope that our begging for a consumer VR VR-3 has been answered? Do dreams actually com true? What's the scope? Can we start the hype train? :)
What did they announce?
I wish someone made 3rd party aspheric lenses for the g2....
It is now clear that the fresnel lenses must come to an end, they introduce a lot of crap effects that makes the image worse. When I first tried the Rift S, I noticed shit effects I didn't notice with Gear VR, and now I understeand why. If the G2 just had fresnel lenses, it would be super amazing for the next 5 years, because we wouldn't have sweet spot problems, god rays or chromatic aberration, so everything would look cristal clear.
Reverb G2 for the win when you look at performance to price!!
Thanks for updating the video as I didn't think the first video was a fair comparison and was out of focus for the 8kx and g2 and now the bottom 11th line of letters is still readable on the 8kx and g2..The 8kx has a bigger sweet spot than the g2 and the 8kx's ppd can match or surpass that of the G2 simply by moderately increasing the steam resolution above 100% AND have up to 200° fov.. add the free fsr mod github.com/fholger/openvr_fsr (that significantly increases clarity with sharpening and boosts fps, like dlss does) the image in the 8kx is pretty much tack sharp (99% of the time more than clear enough to read most things perfectly well enough).. the 8kx is the most future proofed hmd (as software is optimized and pc hardware upgraded you'll get more and more out of it- the vr-3 & g2 aren't ever going to get a bigger fov).. and these comparisons are focused only on clarity.. there are many other factors to consider.. fov, comfort, price, quality of tracking, audio, number of options for tweaking, overall experience/ immersion etc.. when the vr-3 is 4x the 8kx cost yet still only comes with a narrow binocular fov and no audio solution the 8kx is the best bang for your buck at that price point as the clarity is still outstanding for almost all purposes yet also has the unbeatable, next level immersion and situational awareness enhancing nearest to real human eye fov the *overall* combined experience of these factors (plus outside/in tracking, 2 hmds in one etc) the 8kx is the best value and get the most out of it longer term.. until human eye resolution becomes more mainstream in price and it comes with 200° fov (which is years away at this point) I'm highly satisfied with the 8kx.. of course I'd love the vr-3 clarity now, but not at the current price point and it's not that much clearer than the g2 and 8kx to justify that price and like once you go vr it's hard to go back and play pancake games after, it's also hard to go back to a narrow binocular fov after having experienced up to 200° fov.. like in life, imagine you were forced to live your life with vision only looking through toilet rolls and not having your normal fov.. it would suck, yet the 8kx clarity and sweet spot and lack of screen door effect is still one of the best out there, especially when enhanced even more with sharpening with the fsr mod and increasing the resolution above 100%.. even if I had the vr-3 now I'd still use the 8kx with applications where fov is most important for situational awareness like sim racing and flight simming etc and use the vr-3 when I just want to enjoy the highest clarity.. that's what RUclipsr NextGenVR does.. he's had the vr-3 longer but has confirmed his two daily drivers are still the 8kx and vr-3 (to pick and choose between depending on what's most important) and has abandoned the g2 and vive pro 2.. those that say that many who had the 8kx now have the vr-3 and don't use the 8kx anymore.. if that's true it's only because they (understandably) need to justify paying the extortionate price they paid for the vr-3 (I would too) but that doesn't mean the 8kx isn't better in terms of value and *overall* experience of what you get and experience with all its features *combined*... when you're fully immersed and in the moment you aren't pixel peeping so much, which is what you want.. ultimate *immersion* and the wide fov of the 8kx absolutely contributes in a big way to that immersion- older but still relevant video as to why fov really matters- ruclips.net/video/ElwNsjcxI0w/видео.html
I take it you like your 8KX then. ?
@@douglasingram8881 absolutely love it after I took the time to fully dial it in to my specific vision, face shape and pc specs.. that clarity/sweet spot combined with up to 200° fov and being two hmds in one (4k/ eye at up to 90hz or 1440p/eye upscaled to the 4k panels at up to 114hz all at up to 200° fov) and the best tracking, very comfortable, the only future proofed hmd.. the combination of all these and many other factors make it an unparalleled experience like no other and highly immersive as a result- possibly the most immersive considering the overall experience you have with all these features and more combined (and optimum 'immersion' is ultimately what we mostly all really want- 'clarity' is only one factor in making that immersion optimal)
Thank you for saving me money. I had 8kx already, bought hp reverb G2 due better clarity before read your explanation above, went back to Pimax 8kx after do exactly what you said. The clarity now is way better than my new reverb G2 and i won't upgrade to Varjo aero anymore.
Thank you again.
@@wmsytalo you're welcome.. glad to help..I am still getting aero to see what its like but 8kx is still unprecedented when you combine max clarity with the mods AND unparalleled fov at the same time.. the aero will likely be sharper (I hope) but still the gap in clarity between the 2 is certainly narrowed with the mods and all of course it's clear enough for most applications anyway and you get that super immersive fov the aero will never compete with.. I'm getting the Aero to see what all the fuss is about for myself and to have the CHOICE to choose between what I currently see as max immersion (8kx) or super max clarity (aero)
not a fair comparison due to the fact that us the regular guys cannot buy the varjo
Thanks a ton for spending the time making this comparison!
What compare the Varjo one no regular person has access to?
I wonder how much of the clearity has to do with the lenses
I'd buy for list price with no subscription right now.
Good job redoing the video! It now looks like an accurate comparison and is very close to what the eye sees.
Come on varjo!!! We are waiting to buy a consumer version.
Price of VARJO VR-3 = New High-end PC
Yeah, I'm still set on getting the Reverb G2...
Pimax 8KX and the Reverb G2's LCD Panel pixal alignment is WAY freaking OFF!! (especially compared to the VARJO) it's crazy to me how off that pixel alignment is on the first 2 headsets, the clarity would be EVEN BETTER if they just did better with their Pixel alignment... =_=
The Varjo is an amazing VR headset - I would need to win the Lotto to buy one of those if consumers could even buy it - plus you have to pay a yearly fee. I have the HP Reverb G2 V2 and if the Sweet Spot was wider would also be good. Looking straight ahead in the G2 is good, but making my eyes look to the sides or up/down I can really see the blurriness of the lenses. I do SIM racing with the G2 and I move my head instead of just my eyes and works out pretty good, but I still notice the scenery to the sides being blurry.
The Pimax is also too costly for me with needing to setup and use Base Stations and controllers at extra cost.
Thanks for this video and great comparisons. Take care.
The Varjo looks fantastic but the max IPD is not over 70mm, and it is not available for gaming. Maybe okay if they increase the max IPD and release a gamer version.
HP Reverb G2 has a face plate that is too narrow for a larger head and the max IPD is too small at 68mm, it is uncomfortable, with a narrow FOV.
I've tried the Vive Pro 2, it has too small max IPD and a very small lens focal point.
I brought a Pimax 8KX and I think it is the best choice, fantastic flexibility with adjustment to many settings, max IPD 70mm + software increase, and lenses with a large focus area, and it runs fine on a RTX2080.
Come on Varjo. Consumers NEED this headset.
5:30 When I tried to get rid of the dust on the screen, it was a picture.
To be “clear,” aspheric lenses are (usually) custom designed lenses with non-spherical surfaces. Spherical surfaces are much easier to grind in a lens shop, but they suffer from spherical & chromatic aberrations. Spherical lenses are still better than fresnel lenses however, which suffer from god rays. I expect aspheric lenses will be the trend going forward, possibly using injection molded optical plastics to keep the cost down
amazing comparison review.. well Done!
I was so impressed with how well the G2 stood up against far more expensive headsets that I went and bought a G2 V2 its in the post as I type this.
You will like it!
Varjo, from a Finn to a Finn, I need an afordable Varjo headset. Please. Torilla tavataan.