Vtubers are becoming a very vocal ally for men's mental health and I love it. So many men rely on them for their peace and they're protecting that peace.
Idk might have something to do with the Vtuber being like "HI CJAT HOW ARE YOU TODAY!!! 🥰🥰🥰" And the mostly male chat response is akin to "💀the last time i was complicated was by my grandmother 15 years ago"
I don't think it's completely cynical. Vtubers are generally on the nerdier side to begin with, so they're going to have some interests in common with the males in their audience. Plus, men are very obviously having problems these days. That's undeniable to anyone who isn't living in a bubble.
@@cobrazoidYep. People with violent tendencies are often attracted to violent media but most people who consume violent media are not violent. Logic 101, many As are B does not necessarily mean most Bs are A.
At that point it’s just literal policing and blatant misandry. And the gall that some people have to say that something like misandry doesn’t exist is simply unfathomable to process.
@@kingmricHenry and his girlfriend are expecting their first child. I always find it hilarious when people with kids (especially a lot of kids) get called incels. Like that dude is getting laid way more than you are.
If your partner criticizes your hobbies, they don't actually hate the hobby, they hate the fact that you're not spending that time acting as their slave...
You know what makes men violent? Telling them their hobbies are not okay. Telling them, their existence is a problem. Telling them their worth is based on their monetary value.
Exactly this. Imagine hearing how bad you are, how you are worthless unless you can be useful. Being preemptively considered some sorta creep and not being allowed to have any preferences lest you are called a sexist. Then you try to escape that with a hobby and the same people shittalking you everywhere else follow you there to take away that one last retreat. Backing away and backing away but hobbies are the corner.
Ive dated women that said that about gamers. Guess what, most of theirs hobbies was complaining about work, other female friends she had, and spending money. No actual hobbie. To me, most women that complain about hobbies in general dont have any hobbies themselfs. It always goes back to bitterness.
My ex would subtly imply that she hated things I liked such as Star Wars, F1, video games etc. Only years later did I realize that she was trying to pull me away from my hobbies and manipulate me. Seems to happen quite often to other guys.
I dealt with a girl who manipulated a heck out of me but I started to see it after she snapped at me for nkt buying her everything she wanted and all her food when we were at a convention as if we were boyfriend girlfriend. We weren't and then after I started to try and distance myself from her she tricked my friend into trying to become her boyfriend One night about a year later (October 2023) she randomly surprise visited me with her fiance (who she met at the con the previous year) and when she saw one of my posters I had bought the year before and finally put up She said "wow! It took you long enough to put up this chobits poster! But it looks great?!" And I thanked her for the compliment and her response was to her fiance "it's a series he and I watched when I visited him last year. I showed him the series and now it's one of my favorite" and I immediately corrected her 1. I had seen that series back in 2011 on Netflix. LONG before I met this girl 2. We didn't even watch chobits we saw psychopass. 3. As far as I was aware she hadnt seen chobits as back at the con when she saw my face light up about seeing it she asked me what the series was about I was flabbergasted at her audacity to try and gaslight me more after I had already seen through her
So lucky to have my wife, i woke her up the other night being loud on the game and when i came to bed she let me know about it, when i apologized she said "it's ok, I am glad you're having fun" I just about started crying
The number of times my fiance has called me on Discord to show me the Minecraft contraptions he's built because it's cool and it works and he just wants to show it off. I'm so happy to see what he built even if it's a little silly.
i aint got like... wordy way to put this, but thats a nice thing to hear. its a quietly soulcrushing thing to want to show someone something cool you did/found and just get that blank 'you're wasting my time on this?' sorta look. darksouls humanity restored meme here.
And you lovingly joke with him saying something along the lines of "that looks so stupid, you're so stupid." and you both laugh about it because you get each other. Am I close? No, I'm serious. I am goofy and my ex still gets a kick out of my weirdness at times. When we hang out.
That is the point of gaming it's silly and a huge release from everyday stress. The silly makes us laugh and to clear a level that was so hard is like a woman getting a 99% discount on her favorite perfume or jewelry.
@@dennisschrader7212please dont do that, never say something he likes is stupid. If hes likes something and he shows you its a form of sharing what he loves with the person he loves
OG Gamer from 70’s here. I need the complexity and mental stimulation from my video games. PPL hating on gamers will end up with Alzheimer’s in a nursing home at my age 😂
@@Kolbaar I'm 40, and have been playing since the 80s.. i believe it's increased my motor skills, hand eye coordination, memory, problem solving skills.. these girls just doing get it
@@GAMER_PUNK247 Dude. Just got my son’s grandma playing animal crossing and it has helped her memory & motor skills a lot (she’s in her 70’s). What’s with these millennials pushing that only kids can play games? Did we mess them that bad? 😂
It's super odd to see just a plethora of vtubers standing up for men. It's so refreshing that it's shocking. I honestly couldn't be happier, and it's great for my mental health knowing that there's more people on our side than the media would have us believe. Thank you tons
It's not unusual at all when you consider their audience is over 90% male and RUclips in general is also male. Please don't kid yourself, they're doing this because appealing to men's issues is marketable in this sphere, not necessarily because they actually care that much.
That might be just because 90% of their audience is men, but still, I don't doubt SANE WOMEN understand that having a hobby is healthy and having an obsession is unhealthy
@LordVandor1 Most content creators, in general, have a vast majority male audience. That doesn't stop a lot of them from defending the insane positions like the examples in this video so that can't explain it.
You see if a guy plays video game gives them an ick it's usually the stereotypical average Joe media likes to show. Wait till they meet an attractive F Boi who plays video game and suddenly their opinions on playing video games giving them the ick has changed. I seen it happened before I got one of my friend who's successful in getting dates in chelet parties, he just boot up fifa when the party is about to end since he is the host of the party he got the whole chelet room to himself the ones who don't seem to be type that knows video game culture just stayed and watched him play hell even picked up a controller. it's not about the video games that's giving them the turn off. is about who's the one behind the controller. If the guy is her type and she's attracted to him it doesn't matter what other things she may had said before that's a turn off. Girls always adjust their opinion Inorder to match with the guy they like and if they love you enough to see the things they're not interested in before but still engaged in it either way Inorder to spend time with you shes the one bros
Everything they said about "video games are antisocial and sedentary and unproductive" can be applied to so many other hobbies. Reading books, watching tv or movies are just two examples off the top of my head, and I can't imagine anyone saying they find reading unattractive.
Good point. And funnily enough, reading was listed by women as the most attractive hobby a man can have, in a recent study on this. But as you said, reading is also sedentary and unproductive. Unless you're purely talking about self-help books or something, and actively applying them. But judging by the types of books that sell the most, that's not what they're talking about.
@@Adeon55 reading is much like gaming youre both exploring a different worlds with their own characters complexities and such just in far different ways gaming you more so visually tell a story idk the right word but youre physically moving this character and are going and collecting plants or whatever it may be with reading i see it even in a first person perspective story its more of a spectators view on a story youre reading it and imagining what is happening personally i see a third persons view of what is happening not myself drawing back the bow but my character drawing the bow because i am not viewing it as controlling this character the story is already told i am just here to see what takes place ive played lots of different games many are third person perspectives so i feel i imagine a book scenario not as first person bc ive played lots of third person views already this is like debating if movies or books are better its just different views on the same story you still likely want to go watch a movie even if youve read the book because its a far different way to tell the same story
That type of women is just wrong i mean im female and i have friends who are all male and i play with them on multiplayer so it is kinda social but defenetly more social than reading or watching tv sooo its defenetly better than shopping online. Like what do they have multiplayer on mobile shopping or something? So to all gamers: find someone who like you for you, dont let someone bother you for something you like, be yourself and you will defenetly find someone who will understand you.
Women who are narcissists: *Believes in changing BFs for the better* The Better: *taking away videogames from the BF so they can spend more time overinflating GF's ego*
Me in Red Dead Online petting the blood red Arabian I have affectionately named Crimson "It's alright girl she'll never come between us.... Have an apple"
I’d say you don’t need to play or watch. Just be okay with the hobby. Bc at the end it’s just a hobby. I’m not ganna make my girlfriend watch me and play with my Rubik’s cube. Or draw with me. I’m fine and vice versa
they watch to many movies of like james bond gambling! they dont know what a real degenerate gambler is. they are attracted to the hollywood portrayal of a gambler! not actual gamblers lol
From what I talked to a few people they said because of the risk some skill unless it's slots and reward is what makes it attractive until they lose all their cash. Which is why I don't understand why when they come home sad or pissed when their money is gone and try to take their anger out on the people who aren't stupid to gamble all their money on races, sports events, slots, cards. Sure it's fun and the rush of winning money but it loses it's rush when you start losing
I alway found that completely insane, why celebrate an activity that will potentially make you addicted or loss all your money? At least with video game you don't have the possibility to become homeless, i have read stories of people gambling their life saving and becoming homeless
Mari is the best girl. But in all seriousness. It's great to see girls that are defending guys and are great human beings. Wishing everything best for her!
I’m a guy with autism and I’m a huge gamer and I love anime, stuffed animals, and animal onesies. I’m also a softie who gets all the feels. I’m so blessed to be surrounded by people who love me and accept me as I am my whole life, and I’ve always been shielded from all of these toxic lies and I’ll always be grateful for it. People who behave shamefully like this is a big turn off for me; doesn’t matter if they’re men or women.
"New ick unlocked- watching my bf playing games" = New ick unlocked- seeing my bf having fun and being happy. They don't care about their partner's happiness. Wow
My hobbies include video gaming, building Warhammer figures, Lego building and watching movies and my wife completely approves because my kids get to participate in
Yeah, that is like saying a woman's worth relies only on their ability to clean and cook. Stuff that I am pretty sure all of these women complaining about video games don't do.
@@TrueDemonTamer Of course they don't. They spend 99% of their time trying to plaster their face online and pretend they are living the dream while failing to realize their own vanity is the source of the ever growing emptiness they feel inside. Some people have misunderstood the goal of being adults as being miserable, then they are confused as to why they are miserable, while chasing that very life. How strange.
My hobbies are survivalism, bush craft, beekeeping, and flint knapping. Most women i tell my hobbies to are instantly repelled by them and they think im a wack job.
My city finally got smart a couple years ago and finally allowed beekeeping for people who own less than 5 acres. I still haven’t gotten bees yet but I want them. Busch craft and survival is fun. I want to learn flint knapping.
@leholen381 bees need to be fed and watered just like any other pet or live stock, which surprises many people. I you do get a hive remember to check them for parasites regularly wax moths are the bane of my existence.
I think it's just a subset of women that are repulsed by men doing anything but working themselves 24/7 into a cardiac arrest because all they want is have as much money as you can give them, then more. Men are just cash cows to them and spending a second not doing something that benefits her in some way is their walking money printer malfunctioning. If you are using dating apps, you should probably forget about those. If it's any consolation, you're likely looking in the wrong place and many women are not like that.
What Liz Wheeler actually means is that the only acceptable hobbies are the ones that contribute to "her" enjoyment of life, so anything that takes potential time or money away from "her" is a bad hobby. "Doing, making, or learning" is just an obfuscation of "generate income or get better ways to generate income" and "do chores for me."
You can reverse the roles to see how shallow it is. Imagine a guy saying a woman should only have hobbies that involve cooking, cleaning, and being pregnant. He'd be ridiculed. Clearly there's more to a person, and more to life, than home economics
@@TheGreenKnight500 bro that's true. People never see Throught this point. If it's a girl they aplause, if it's a guy they throw Stones and sticks on him? Like...huh???
Thank you for defending us! People like this who stereotype a group(male gamers) would never listen to the group they’re stereotyping, so it’s very comforting when someone from ‘outside’ validates and supports😄
It's probably because whenever someone's being a hateful bastard about something, it's either because they hate that thing, or they like that thing but they hate you or they hate how it makes them look (to them), so they hate that thing because you're doing it. Then will do the behaviour they admonished you for anyway. Most people will have a lot of judgements to pass onto others, judgements that they themselves should pass onto themselves as they are equally guilty, but obviously, they don't. It's like it's hard wired into almost every human at birth.
My girlfriend at the time was a pretty into games and she still is. She was kinda new to it but played a lot of stuff like tlou Minecraft and The Quarry. Then we started playing together and she got more into it even buying AND MODDING a Wii, 3ds and ps vita. I’m so glad that she was just a genuine and kind person.
Personally I dont have a major issue with women who wouldn't want to date me because I play video games, as it helps easily filter out those who are very judgemental and hypocritical. I also find it weird how they say "playing video games is unattractive" as its not really supposed to be an attractive activity in the first place. Its a hobby or a way to relax and find enjoyable, and personally I would think I would find seeing my significant other happy and enjoying herself to be what is attractive. Also I dont believe this to be a majority of women that find playing video games as unattractive but instead a loud minority.🤷♂️
I sometimes get scared of my girlfriend wouldnt like me playing but she always tells me “dear you can play as much as you want go ahead” it was one of the most touching moment instead it actually makes me spend more time with her not play. So yeah i feel proud of her, she is the nicest person and im pretty sure im a good lover aswell hahah
Gaming has helped me with my PTSD. I didn't get into it until I was discharged and a friend suggested me to play The Witcher 3 and help me build my first PC so gaming will always be in my life to help me destress and relax. I've had so many exes try and manipulate me and one even destroying my PS5 that I didn't even get to turn on or hook up to the TV LOL. Everything in moderation.
They say video games help you better deal with nightmares. I guess the act of controlling something simulated, helps get your brain used to the idea that you have agency in "imaginary" scenarios (like nightmares or painful memories)
Honestly it's annoying how many people seem to think your hobbies need to be connected to some kind of benefit. Like yes I am playing this purely for consumption and enjoyment because it's MY free time and I wanna use that free time to do what I want to. Yes of course I'll handle all my obligations and responsibilities before that but it's like let your partner live lol.
The thing is that these women are gold diggers. They demand your entire waking hours revolve around doing stuff to please them or making money. Those are your only choices with those types of women, either give them constant attention AND money or they will nag you to death. Sadly these women seldom are willing to to the same for you. They won't change their hobbies if you don't like them, they will complain if you demand as much attention as they do and you will be gaslighted into thinking you are being too needy. They love being the girl boss on their relationships and that is a huge red flag. You don't work for them and they don't pay you so they need to be reminded that equality is not submission to them only equal standing.
7:15 For 30 years, 30 F'ING YEARS we've done this. How many dozens of hundreds of studies over multiple decade do we have to have before these people learn that video games do not make you violent or sexist or whatever, WHEN?! 7:47 Except that over the same period of video games becoming more mainstream the rate of physical violence has nose dived. correlation might not equal causation but it does disprove the whole "increase in aggressive behaviour" non-sense.
Reminds me of the saying "Women are human beings. Men are human doings" women are loved for BEING cute, kind companionate, men are appreciated for what they do,
People like Wheeler are so funny to mess with. Since my ADHD loves taking over and drowning them with knowledge. They can't handle it and it is so great watching them struggle to even think
Me and my girlfriend are both gamers. She was much happier knowing that i liked videogames, and we now share enjoy games together. Being a gamer was a perk. However, women scrolling tiktok all day critizing someone playing games, will never be hypocritical to me. Both are theoretically, not productive. But they put their procrastination above men playing games. Make it make sense! Love your videos and your thoughts Mari. Found out about you last week and find you very chill to watch.
Thank you mari for making this video, you made a smile on my face, I play a lot of games and a three of my ex’s didn’t like me playing games so thank you for standing up for us men, and I’m really a big geek for anime, I mean I seen fifty different ones, so if you want recommendations I’m willing to, so thank you for standing up for men. I subscribed to you.
I am fine with them not wanting to date me because I play games. I would never date a woman who spend hours daily on social media either. Although I find it a bit hilarious how the way they go about making fun of men often end up being really childish, and then they call us childish.
Presumably he has already done and will continue to do things that benefit her. But because he isn't doing it right that moment, suddenly it's a "problem". /smh
The funny thing is that I’m not into VTubers but I actually enjoy watching your stuff even though this is the first video I’m watching from you but keep up the good work
Just my hunch as a lil gamer boy, but people like this seemingly hate the fact that someone, partner or not, is having more fun in 10 minutes than they've had in 10 years. It also seems like most of these women with those views are stuck in 1983 regarding their views on guys. Gaming is more mainstream than ever now, dare I call it "Normie" at this point. Shocking how anyone can hate it with the ridiculous reasons they come up with. That lil dance you did at 1:02 was damn precious eeeeeeeeeee~ And the sass I'm feeling... it's so warranted. Stick it to em!
Not just a hunch, definitely a piece of the puzzle. I'm glad that from what i can tell, people 100% see through her BS all the way down to her motivations. Another less talked about piece of the puzzle but that makes sense if you follow modern discouse on video games: It pisses them off because there are hot chicks in video games, and they feel like they can't measure up to that standard.
its funny that "i spend too much time on the computer" (learning about my job in IT, gaming, or escaping reality for a short while), but as soon as she cant shop on amazon on her phone or laptop, or the WIFI isn't working, I'm suddenly the hero
These things always come to mind whenever I hear these arguments. - Do these women actually enjoy doing any activity with a guy? I've met plenty of women who don't seem to enjoy being with men but love what they can provide. - There's a lot of people out there who want to be your friend or partner with the sole intention of changing everything about you into what they want you to be. Not for your benefit, but theirs. Why would you even want to be with people who don't enjoy you for you? - What these women are attracted to are their ideal image of a man, not the actual thing. - I see my share of "red pill" guys who also have this idea that games aren't meant for anyone over 30. Shows what little they know. Heck, my parents were addicted to the NES in their late 30's and made an impact on way more lives than these people ever will. - You could argue that any recreational hobby or activity is a total waste of time, but as humans we NEED to be able to relax, unwind, de-stress and enjoy things in life. We all have our lazy moments. - People whose hobbies include doing "what everyone else does" and follow the crowd are boring and tend to be resentful that you live life on your terms and they can't. Anyway, nice reaction, Mari. Glad this popped up on my feed, I'll have to check out more.
As a gamer girl and former vtuber that being treated like a child thing is so true and annoying. I even have had people tell me I'd never get anywhere in life or my career if I didn't grow up! It got even worse once I became a parent since now I'm always told that mothers aren't supposed to play games, but my kids sure do love getting to play together!
Gaming takes time and attention away from these women, and they cannot abide by that. The fact is that these women who don’t want men who play games can’t comprehend that the gamers do not want these women either. 😂😂😂
I'll take a down to earth girl that plays Animal Crossing while I play Metroid over some Pseudo-Model that thinks she's more genetically viable than she really is.
@@thetiredbiker3652 Gaming solo is one thing and sometimes it's the best thing at that moment, but few things are as amazing as sharing a great game with a friend or partner.
Hi Mari 👋 even though I’m a new viewer, I just wanna say that I’m already sure that you’re an awesome girl and alot of people (at least me for sure) really appreciate you just for existing 🤗
I wrote a paper in college about the increase in aggressive behavior, violence, and desensitization tied to video games(teacher picked the topic because my major was game design), and in the research I did most studies found no correlation. 90% of it is based on early 2000s late 90s rhetoric with no basis in truth. As far as skills and learning go, there actually is a correlation between games and improved hand eye coordination, fine motor control, and comprehension skills. The anti-social concept is outdated, early games were mostly anti social while modern games actually revolve around and are built around being social.
But the "video games cause violence" actually is much older then people realize. First it was books and reading, then comics, then TV and movies, and has sort of stagnated on Video games. The arguments actually go way further back and points at different media throughout recorded history. I remember reading about a time in medieval times where some claimed epics and poetry caused men to be more violent
I love how they say "Video games make you violent" but then next line they go "desensitized to violence" ... I dont think they know the words theyre using LOL
the worst part of it is that they'll date you knowing you like to game and won't bitch about it until you're already committed to each other. just date gamers if you game.
when I was a kid, I was addicted to video games because they were fun, now I play video games to calm myself down after work or if I'm wanting to pass the time. I still love video games and always will, because it's a good stress relief.
As a millennial gamer, I need to say that out loud. There have always been two groups of people in my generation, or any generation. People who stay in there line and enjoy whatever they like, and people who think their way of life and hobbies is the superior one. I hate those people.
Same generation. I'd conceptualize it a little differently: there are people who do what they enjoy, and there are people who do what they think will make them popular. What this Liz woman is basically saying is: "your hobbies won't make ME look better to other women. I won't be able to show you off and bring MYSELF more social status points with other people. I'm worried about MY image." That's certainly something valid to worry about to some degree. People are going to shun you if you have a particularly awful partner, but Liz is taking it to a petty level.
@@InfernoReaper1854 I’m glad you found me inferno!!! I hope I can keep making content that makes you smile!! Thank you for the super thanks comment heheh 🥰
5:30 This is because the word "gaming" originated in the 15th century specifically to refer to the act of gambling. Gam-bling. Gam-ing. Wasn't used in reference to even pen-and-paper games until the late 1900s. Gambling isn't just gaming "in some sense". Gambling is the very definition of gaming.
Folks who don't enjoy fiction or engaging with hypothetical scenarios tend to have a poor inner life. How can someone be so boring that they require the people around them to be a miserable reflection of themselves? Regardless of gender, connecting with a partner requires being in touch with their own heart. Putting materialism and sex first will only lead to ruin.
Only humans feel the need to stop play activities in adulthood. Like, how does it feel to know you have less of an ability to find joy in play activities than an tortoise nudging a ball around.
"the funniest part: humans sometimes also named as homo ludens, playing human. because humas are one of the very few animals that continue to play after they grow up, unlike most animals whom only do play as training for adult life, if at all." I love how this comment is literally displayed below yours. There's at least one comment making shit up, the beauty of the internet.
I'll even take it a step further and say 1) these kinds of women want men to either making more and more money for her to spend or spend as much money as possible on her, and 2) what they don't realize is JUST MAYBE he actually is planning something but either he is chatting with his boys in the game in code the keep it a surprise knowing she might hear some things, or it is being planned for some time in the future. But these kinds of women really don't like seeing men being happy and spending time on themselves and their mental health if/when she is not included.
6:51 I learned English almost entirely through video games and I'm also planning to do the same with Japanese when I get my basis up because gaming is a fun and interactive way to learn languages it also allows you to immerse yourself in the language
Women who think that Gambling is a better hobby than Gaming are straight up delusional. Everything is fine in moderation of course but Gaming is not designed to be predatory and addictive like Gambling is. Some people are so ignorant that it hurts.
Gambling is seen as better in Woman Logic™ probably because when (read: if) the guy wins, she can take most, or all of the money (or pressure him into buying something overly expensive for her).
Honestly kind of sad when alot of people tend to shame gamers for not only their hobbies, but also ignore the fact video games are commonly used as a tool for escaping from reality in general. Whicu does help with mental fatigue and depression to a degree. As theres alot of things we want to escape from when playing video games its just there's always that one person that tried their hardest to bring you down to their level for the sake of being annoyed at the fact your having fun and are generally more interested in the fantasy of the virtual world when your not experiencing life how they want you to live it. A better way to summerize these types of people is "The crab mentality". Well anyways great video, the world definetly needs more wholesome people like you out there. 😀
What's sad about that woman is she doesn't realise that many of those men who engage in all these hobbies like comics and manga, figurines and toys, videogames ect would probably end up being fantastic fathers because of it.
as a gamer of 10 years, I can say that video gaming as a hobby (not as a casual) is extremely rewarding, fun and expands your knowledge. I like to play strategy/puzzle/rpg games and you need massive brainpower in order to play some of them. a recent favorite is outer wilds, an amazing and complex game that asks the player to intuitively understand actual physics.
@@dany_fg there’s actually proven statistics where correlation between video games and real world benefits exist. such as hand eye coordination, critical thinking skills, rapid decision making, and other sorts of cognitive benefits. (to an extent)
@@haxjason3720 I know that, but almost no one start their gaming journey for that reason. I started my own because I fell satisfaction in solving puzzle or doing damage calculation, and still feel that way to this day.
This whole stance on hobbies in general is sooo mind blowing, it's simply frustrating. Hobbies are recreational activities. Their purpose has nothing to with being "productive", even though they don't necessarily exclude that possibility. I mean, most hobbies are focused on relaxation and more importantly, they are focused one self, not others. Especially today, I don't even want to be near someone who dares to question "stereotypical" women's hobbies... But it's no different, most aren't focused around being productive. So why should men's hobbies be? It just feels disingenuous and quiet frankly resentful, to question the validity of someones hobby, just because one does not share a similar interest.
The one thing I hate about debates around video games that they always use the most extreme examples of addiction and use it as a brush to paint every gamer or just anyone in general who enjoys playing video games which is disingenuous if you ask me. The truth is that the arguments against video games can be applied to literally anything else but that's not what you commonly hear now is it? Any addiction is bad but not all addiction are treated equally, some aren't even acknowledged at all such as some people's obsession with social platforms such as Tik Tok or even Twitter.
As a 40 something male gamer since 1996 (Quake), to today and beyond, anime figures, waifu cups, waifu wear, LAN parties etc. The girlfriends I have found share the same hobby. Gamer girls do exist, and I have been married to a gamer girl for over 10 years.
If being productive is all that matters, one could make the argument that the only productive necessities is Work, Eat and Sleep, wasting time even going home would be unproductive so you’d have to live at your job working every second of the day not spent sleeping or eating, there be no time to even care about people like 14:21 this woman.
If your gf or partner doesn’t like you doing your hobbies, then she’s not the one boys.
Preach
agreed
We only kiss the homies goodnight here.
Fuck bitches, amirite?
Based.
Exactly.
Vtubers are becoming a very vocal ally for men's mental health and I love it. So many men rely on them for their peace and they're protecting that peace.
Idk might have something to do with the Vtuber being like
"HI CJAT HOW ARE YOU TODAY!!! 🥰🥰🥰"
And the mostly male chat response is akin to
"💀the last time i was complicated was by my grandmother 15 years ago"
$$$
As it turns out people who don’t rely on their appearance for views will be the least narcissistic. Who knew.
I don't think it's completely cynical. Vtubers are generally on the nerdier side to begin with, so they're going to have some interests in common with the males in their audience. Plus, men are very obviously having problems these days. That's undeniable to anyone who isn't living in a bubble.
@@TheGreenKnight500 nothing I said suggests any amount of cynicism
Lets not look at the fact that over countless studies, they still cant prove that games make men violent. They've tried
And also the fact that the "studies" tend to forget is that people have been violent for decades before even video games were even a thing.
Centuries before electricity was even discovered@cobrazoid
@@cobrazoidYep. People with violent tendencies are often attracted to violent media but most people who consume violent media are not violent. Logic 101, many As are B does not necessarily mean most Bs are A.
The gta marketing campaign has done irreparable damage to the image of gamers
It's not the game. It's the person. The only violence I see are the poor controllers and monitors
When I first learned about "icks", they're always just about men doing what they like and being themselves.
At that point it’s just literal policing and blatant misandry. And the gall that some people have to say that something like misandry doesn’t exist is simply unfathomable to process.
By her "logic" Henry Cavill is unattractive since he's a huge gamer
Anyone saying this kind of thing usually has a swarm of convenient excuses and exceptions to assuage their hypocrisy
People have called him a gaming obsessed incel so that's a thing now
@@kingmricHenry and his girlfriend are expecting their first child. I always find it hilarious when people with kids (especially a lot of kids) get called incels. Like that dude is getting laid way more than you are.
Henry Cavill is physically attractive, so it literally doesn’t matter what he does
henry cavill is the king of the chads, a normie who will gladly talk nerd
If your partner criticizes your hobbies, they don't actually hate the hobby, they hate the fact that you're not spending that time acting as their slave...
You know what makes men violent? Telling them their hobbies are not okay. Telling them, their existence is a problem. Telling them their worth is based on their monetary value.
and then once they get you, they tell you that your pen1s is just too small.
@@metalsteel5631 hot dog down a hallway. Doesn't matter if it's a footling or not.
And that's when Men should Put on the Mask. #HMT.
@Urielthalasok clown
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Exactly this. Imagine hearing how bad you are, how you are worthless unless you can be useful. Being preemptively considered some sorta creep and not being allowed to have any preferences lest you are called a sexist. Then you try to escape that with a hobby and the same people shittalking you everywhere else follow you there to take away that one last retreat. Backing away and backing away but hobbies are the corner.
Ive dated women that said that about gamers. Guess what, most of theirs hobbies was complaining about work, other female friends she had, and spending money. No actual hobbie. To me, most women that complain about hobbies in general dont have any hobbies themselfs. It always goes back to bitterness.
i bet those are the same women who complain that men objectify them.
literally projection is all i think of when i hear an ick
My ex would subtly imply that she hated things I liked such as Star Wars, F1, video games etc. Only years later did I realize that she was trying to pull me away from my hobbies and manipulate me.
Seems to happen quite often to other guys.
I dealt with a girl who manipulated a heck out of me but I started to see it after she snapped at me for nkt buying her everything she wanted and all her food when we were at a convention as if we were boyfriend girlfriend. We weren't and then after I started to try and distance myself from her she tricked my friend into trying to become her boyfriend
One night about a year later (October 2023) she randomly surprise visited me with her fiance (who she met at the con the previous year) and when she saw one of my posters I had bought the year before and finally put up
She said "wow! It took you long enough to put up this chobits poster! But it looks great?!" And I thanked her for the compliment and her response was to her fiance "it's a series he and I watched when I visited him last year. I showed him the series and now it's one of my favorite" and I immediately corrected her
1. I had seen that series back in 2011 on Netflix. LONG before I met this girl
2. We didn't even watch chobits we saw psychopass.
3. As far as I was aware she hadnt seen chobits as back at the con when she saw my face light up about seeing it she asked me what the series was about
I was flabbergasted at her audacity to try and gaslight me more after I had already seen through her
I’m too dumb to be manipulated.
Good decision from you to break up with her.
@ Nah she dumped me 6 weeks before our wedding and ghosted me. Then got pregnant from some rando 3 weeks later. All after 7 years together lmao
@@crispy_338 Wow, that's tough dude
So lucky to have my wife, i woke her up the other night being loud on the game and when i came to bed she let me know about it, when i apologized she said "it's ok, I am glad you're having fun" I just about started crying
w wife
The number of times my fiance has called me on Discord to show me the Minecraft contraptions he's built because it's cool and it works and he just wants to show it off. I'm so happy to see what he built even if it's a little silly.
i aint got like... wordy way to put this, but thats a nice thing to hear. its a quietly soulcrushing thing to want to show someone something cool you did/found and just get that blank 'you're wasting my time on this?' sorta look.
darksouls humanity restored meme here.
And you lovingly joke with him saying something along the lines of "that looks so stupid, you're so stupid." and you both laugh about it because you get each other. Am I close? No, I'm serious. I am goofy and my ex still gets a kick out of my weirdness at times. When we hang out.
That is the point of gaming it's silly and a huge release from everyday stress. The silly makes us laugh and to clear a level that was so hard is like a woman getting a 99% discount on her favorite perfume or jewelry.
You know she's the one, when she loves you enough to love what you love
@@dennisschrader7212please dont do that, never say something he likes is stupid. If hes likes something and he shows you its a form of sharing what he loves with the person he loves
OG Gamer from 70’s here. I need the complexity and mental stimulation from my video games. PPL hating on gamers will end up with Alzheimer’s in a nursing home at my age 😂
@@Kolbaar I'm 40, and have been playing since the 80s.. i believe it's increased my motor skills, hand eye coordination, memory, problem solving skills.. these girls just doing get it
@@GAMER_PUNK247 Dude. Just got my son’s grandma playing animal crossing and it has helped her memory & motor skills a lot (she’s in her 70’s). What’s with these millennials pushing that only kids can play games? Did we mess them that bad? 😂
What's up, grampa. 👋
@@Erasus-Phantasia4136Hey kiddo
It's super odd to see just a plethora of vtubers standing up for men. It's so refreshing that it's shocking. I honestly couldn't be happier, and it's great for my mental health knowing that there's more people on our side than the media would have us believe. Thank you tons
It's not unusual at all when you consider their audience is over 90% male and RUclips in general is also male. Please don't kid yourself, they're doing this because appealing to men's issues is marketable in this sphere, not necessarily because they actually care that much.
That must say something tho
That might be just because 90% of their audience is men, but still, I don't doubt SANE WOMEN understand that having a hobby is healthy and having an obsession is unhealthy
Same. It feels so good man.
@LordVandor1 Most content creators, in general, have a vast majority male audience. That doesn't stop a lot of them from defending the insane positions like the examples in this video so that can't explain it.
Thats crazy. As a woman and a gamer, having a partner who is also a gamer is a must. Imagine sharing hobbies.
they literally:
-"dont do thing, it lazy"
-"ok, then you stop doing another thing, thats as useless"
-"y- you dont understand, its different"
You see if a guy plays video game gives them an ick it's usually the stereotypical average Joe media likes to show.
Wait till they meet an attractive F Boi who plays video game and suddenly their opinions on playing video games giving them the ick has changed.
I seen it happened before I got one of my friend who's successful in getting dates in chelet parties, he just boot up fifa when the party is about to end since he is the host of the party he got the whole chelet room to himself the ones who don't seem to be type that knows video game culture just stayed and watched him play hell even picked up a controller.
it's not about the video games that's giving them the turn off. is about who's the one behind the controller. If the guy is her type and she's attracted to him it doesn't matter what other things she may had said before that's a turn off.
Girls always adjust their opinion Inorder to match with the guy they like and if they love you enough to see the things they're not interested in before but still engaged in it either way Inorder to spend time with you shes the one bros
Everything they said about "video games are antisocial and sedentary and unproductive" can be applied to so many other hobbies. Reading books, watching tv or movies are just two examples off the top of my head, and I can't imagine anyone saying they find reading unattractive.
Good point. And funnily enough, reading was listed by women as the most attractive hobby a man can have, in a recent study on this. But as you said, reading is also sedentary and unproductive. Unless you're purely talking about self-help books or something, and actively applying them. But judging by the types of books that sell the most, that's not what they're talking about.
@@Adeon55 That was the same study I thought of when writing my comment.
@@Adeon55 reading is much like gaming youre both exploring a different worlds with their own characters complexities and such just in far different ways gaming you more so visually tell a story idk the right word but youre physically moving this character and are going and collecting plants or whatever it may be with reading i see it even in a first person perspective story its more of a spectators view on a story youre reading it and imagining what is happening personally i see a third persons view of what is happening not myself drawing back the bow but my character drawing the bow because i am not viewing it as controlling this character the story is already told i am just here to see what takes place ive played lots of different games many are third person perspectives so i feel i imagine a book scenario not as first person bc ive played lots of third person views already this is like debating if movies or books are better its just different views on the same story you still likely want to go watch a movie even if youve read the book because its a far different way to tell the same story
That type of women is just wrong i mean im female and i have friends who are all male and i play with them on multiplayer so it is kinda social but defenetly more social than reading or watching tv sooo its defenetly better than shopping online. Like what do they have multiplayer on mobile shopping or something? So to all gamers: find someone who like you for you, dont let someone bother you for something you like, be yourself and you will defenetly find someone who will understand you.
Ladies don't go dating gamers if you hate video games. He's not gonna get rid of them for you. Either play video games with him or don't date him.
Or at minimum just watch him play, don't have to worry about him hitting the streets right 👍
Women who are narcissists: *Believes in changing BFs for the better*
The Better: *taking away videogames from the BF so they can spend more time overinflating GF's ego*
@@sheltonwilliamson711at a minimum just don’t be annoyed by them having a hobby like this.
Me in Red Dead Online petting the blood red Arabian I have affectionately named Crimson "It's alright girl she'll never come between us.... Have an apple"
I’d say you don’t need to play or watch. Just be okay with the hobby. Bc at the end it’s just a hobby. I’m not ganna make my girlfriend watch me and play with my Rubik’s cube. Or draw with me. I’m fine and vice versa
That “Shut up, Unalive yourself” bit was savage😂👌👌👌
Insane.. gambling is appearantly "more attractive" than playing video games.
Also nice video frfr
they watch to many movies of like james bond gambling! they dont know what a real degenerate gambler is. they are attracted to the hollywood portrayal of a gambler! not actual gamblers lol
Oh yes. Push the button. Wait...push the button...wait...riveting gameplay
From what I talked to a few people they said because of the risk some skill unless it's slots and reward is what makes it attractive until they lose all their cash. Which is why I don't understand why when they come home sad or pissed when their money is gone and try to take their anger out on the people who aren't stupid to gamble all their money on races, sports events, slots, cards. Sure it's fun and the rush of winning money but it loses it's rush when you start losing
I alway found that completely insane, why celebrate an activity that will potentially make you addicted or loss all your money? At least with video game you don't have the possibility to become homeless, i have read stories of people gambling their life saving and becoming homeless
Obviously. The only thing they care about is wasting money
Women: "game are addicting and consumptive "
Also some women buying cosmetic product like crazy
I was laughing so hard at that part. Women are far more consumptive.
They have their own addiction to something too, I mean c'mon-
@@_.-ADAM-SLE3PER_II Most of them are addicted to attention and validation.
Mari is the best girl. But in all seriousness. It's great to see girls that are defending guys and are great human beings. Wishing everything best for her!
I’m a guy with autism and I’m a huge gamer and I love anime, stuffed animals, and animal onesies. I’m also a softie who gets all the feels. I’m so blessed to be surrounded by people who love me and accept me as I am my whole life, and I’ve always been shielded from all of these toxic lies and I’ll always be grateful for it. People who behave shamefully like this is a big turn off for me; doesn’t matter if they’re men or women.
STUFFED ANIMALS ARE LIFE. especially squish mellows
@ yes! My grandma gave me a big squish mellow for Christmas! I love it! ☺️
"New ick unlocked- watching my bf playing games" = New ick unlocked- seeing my bf having fun and being happy.
They don't care about their partner's happiness. Wow
My hobbies include video gaming, building Warhammer figures, Lego building and watching movies and my wife completely approves because my kids get to participate in
King shiit 🤘🏼🖤
As a male my worth should be based on more then my ability to protect and provide
Yeah, that is like saying a woman's worth relies only on their ability to clean and cook. Stuff that I am pretty sure all of these women complaining about video games don't do.
@@TrueDemonTamer Of course they don't. They spend 99% of their time trying to plaster their face online and pretend they are living the dream while failing to realize their own vanity is the source of the ever growing emptiness they feel inside. Some people have misunderstood the goal of being adults as being miserable, then they are confused as to why they are miserable, while chasing that very life. How strange.
@@TrueDemonTamer Of course not, according to them, the men should be cleaning and cooking instead of playing games.
Agreed my friend.
For people who intend to use you- it is the extend of your usefulness
If playing games is unattractive then ill just stay single. Im happy anyways. 🤷♂️
I mean hell yeah, this is my hobby.
Honestly, video games are about 300% more fun and enjoyable than women anyway. 🤷🏻♂️😂
Very true. Plus, you get the benefit of walking away instantly if any negative emotions get involved.
Most girls don't think like this, these girls are just plastic
My hobbies are survivalism, bush craft, beekeeping, and flint knapping. Most women i tell my hobbies to are instantly repelled by them and they think im a wack job.
My city finally got smart a couple years ago and finally allowed beekeeping for people who own less than 5 acres. I still haven’t gotten bees yet but I want them. Busch craft and survival is fun. I want to learn flint knapping.
@leholen381 bees need to be fed and watered just like any other pet or live stock, which surprises many people. I you do get a hive remember to check them for parasites regularly wax moths are the bane of my existence.
Isn't survivalists hobby like peak provider stats though?? I'm so confused.
I think it's just a subset of women that are repulsed by men doing anything but working themselves 24/7 into a cardiac arrest because all they want is have as much money as you can give them, then more. Men are just cash cows to them and spending a second not doing something that benefits her in some way is their walking money printer malfunctioning. If you are using dating apps, you should probably forget about those. If it's any consolation, you're likely looking in the wrong place and many women are not like that.
I love bushcraft
Insane that life-ruining hobbies like gambling are "more attractive" than something as innocent as video games.
What Liz Wheeler actually means is that the only acceptable hobbies are the ones that contribute to "her" enjoyment of life, so anything that takes potential time or money away from "her" is a bad hobby. "Doing, making, or learning" is just an obfuscation of "generate income or get better ways to generate income" and "do chores for me."
You can reverse the roles to see how shallow it is. Imagine a guy saying a woman should only have hobbies that involve cooking, cleaning, and being pregnant. He'd be ridiculed. Clearly there's more to a person, and more to life, than home economics
@@TheGreenKnight500 bro that's true. People never see Throught this point. If it's a girl they aplause, if it's a guy they throw Stones and sticks on him? Like...huh???
Thank you for defending us! People like this who stereotype a group(male gamers) would never listen to the group they’re stereotyping, so it’s very comforting when someone from ‘outside’ validates and supports😄
The irony of her using the term "unlocked" in this context, which comes from videogames.
I didnt notice, I'm assuming Liz wheeler said it, do you have a timestamp?
@@kokuutou92 Sorry, was in the thumbnail I don't think it was in the actual video. "New ick unlocked"
It's probably because whenever someone's being a hateful bastard about something, it's either because they hate that thing, or they like that thing but they hate you or they hate how it makes them look (to them), so they hate that thing because you're doing it. Then will do the behaviour they admonished you for anyway. Most people will have a lot of judgements to pass onto others, judgements that they themselves should pass onto themselves as they are equally guilty, but obviously, they don't. It's like it's hard wired into almost every human at birth.
I mean the word wasn't invented by video games, but it is true that using the word unlocked in this context was popularized by video games
Unlocked comes from videogames? Pretty sure it comes from lock and key 🗝️🔐
My girlfriend at the time was a pretty into games and she still is. She was kinda new to it but played a lot of stuff like tlou Minecraft and The Quarry. Then we started playing together and she got more into it even buying AND MODDING a Wii, 3ds and ps vita. I’m so glad that she was just a genuine and kind person.
Personally I dont have a major issue with women who wouldn't want to date me because I play video games, as it helps easily filter out those who are very judgemental and hypocritical. I also find it weird how they say "playing video games is unattractive" as its not really supposed to be an attractive activity in the first place. Its a hobby or a way to relax and find enjoyable, and personally I would think I would find seeing my significant other happy and enjoying herself to be what is attractive. Also I dont believe this to be a majority of women that find playing video games as unattractive but instead a loud minority.🤷♂️
Exactly. Preferences are fine. Talking like it’s gross to play games is sorta shitty but just saying you don’t wanna date a gamer is fine by me.
Let's be honest the women that look down on guys for playing video games are all or mostly Disney adults.
I sometimes get scared of my girlfriend wouldnt like me playing but she always tells me “dear you can play as much as you want go ahead” it was one of the most touching moment instead it actually makes me spend more time with her not play. So yeah i feel proud of her, she is the nicest person and im pretty sure im a good lover aswell hahah
That's wholesome
Gaming has helped me with my PTSD. I didn't get into it until I was discharged and a friend suggested me to play The Witcher 3 and help me build my first PC so gaming will always be in my life to help me destress and relax. I've had so many exes try and manipulate me and one even destroying my PS5 that I didn't even get to turn on or hook up to the TV LOL. Everything in moderation.
Anyone who destroys your property like that ain’t the one.
They say video games help you better deal with nightmares. I guess the act of controlling something simulated, helps get your brain used to the idea that you have agency in "imaginary" scenarios (like nightmares or painful memories)
Every time I hear someone say they have an ‘ick’ it just tells me to stay far away
Honestly it's annoying how many people seem to think your hobbies need to be connected to some kind of benefit. Like yes I am playing this purely for consumption and enjoyment because it's MY free time and I wanna use that free time to do what I want to. Yes of course I'll handle all my obligations and responsibilities before that but it's like let your partner live lol.
Is that romancing saga as your profile pic? Is it any good?
@@KabegamiTheGreat Nah it's Adol from Ys 7, if you like action rpgs with a focus on exploration and fast paced combat Ys might be up your alley.
Nah, see, you only exist to fulfill their desires. If you do anything that doesn't directly benefit them you're disgusting and worthless.
The thing is that these women are gold diggers. They demand your entire waking hours revolve around doing stuff to please them or making money. Those are your only choices with those types of women, either give them constant attention AND money or they will nag you to death. Sadly these women seldom are willing to to the same for you. They won't change their hobbies if you don't like them, they will complain if you demand as much attention as they do and you will be gaslighted into thinking you are being too needy. They love being the girl boss on their relationships and that is a huge red flag. You don't work for them and they don't pay you so they need to be reminded that equality is not submission to them only equal standing.
yeah like I did the providing already now time to enjoy life doing what I want to do
Video games teach a lot of useful skills such as problem solving, situational awareness, multitasking, teamwork, preparation, and much more.
Never get in a relationship with someone who wants so desperately to be the center of attention that they get jelly and fussy of your hobbies.
Sounds like utter hell to me and would dump her the first sign of this being a problem 😂😂😂
7:15 For 30 years, 30 F'ING YEARS we've done this. How many dozens of hundreds of studies over multiple decade do we have to have before these people learn that video games do not make you violent or sexist or whatever, WHEN?!
7:47 Except that over the same period of video games becoming more mainstream the rate of physical violence has nose dived. correlation might not equal causation but it does disprove the whole "increase in aggressive behaviour" non-sense.
seeing women defending men and treating us like people always makes my day better. so thank you : )
Seeing vtubere defending men. Perhaps I treated vtubers too harshly...
Reminds me of the saying "Women are human beings. Men are human doings" women are loved for BEING cute, kind companionate, men are appreciated for what they do,
Some wise gentlemen have stated that men aren't appreciated for what they do nearly as much as they used to be. Nowadays it's just "expected".
These women: Nooo you can't play games, I don't like them so you can't like them!
Men: haha pressing buttons is fun.
Men: hahaha My gun sounds like pyun pyum takatakata
Haha I love This. Underrated 😂
Me: hahaha i love clicking circles for years
@@aegis12yey osu?
Like get a hobby or something that you like to do.
People like Wheeler are so funny to mess with. Since my ADHD loves taking over and drowning them with knowledge. They can't handle it and it is so great watching them struggle to even think
Me and my girlfriend are both gamers. She was much happier knowing that i liked videogames, and we now share enjoy games together.
Being a gamer was a perk.
However, women scrolling tiktok all day critizing someone playing games, will never be hypocritical to me. Both are theoretically, not productive. But they put their procrastination above men playing games. Make it make sense!
Love your videos and your thoughts Mari. Found out about you last week and find you very chill to watch.
@BlackDiamond00-v1 that's a real partner right there. If both are equal and fair to each other, then that is amazing.
Thank you mari for making this video, you made a smile on my face, I play a lot of games and a three of my ex’s didn’t like me playing games so thank you for standing up for us men, and I’m really a big geek for anime, I mean I seen fifty different ones, so if you want recommendations I’m willing to, so thank you for standing up for men. I subscribed to you.
"video games make men violent!"
*Me building an apartment room in Final fantasy 14 listening to the most calm music*
“Beef soft tacos, beef soft tacos, beef soft tacos, Supreme!”
@@exceedcharge1AAAH DAMMIT I CAN'T UNHEAR IT
@@exceedcharge1"big fat tacos big fat tacos big fat tacos SUPREMEEEEEE!"
This is my first time seeing this channel. This girl's avatar is really cute, and her opinions are very based. Good on ya, girl
I am fine with them not wanting to date me because I play games. I would never date a woman who spend hours daily on social media either. Although I find it a bit hilarious how the way they go about making fun of men often end up being really childish, and then they call us childish.
Me : plays mario 64 for nostalgia
Her : your games are dark fantasy steeped in immorality
New ick unlocked. Girlfriend not being under the desk will i play videogames.
I know someone is going to take this seriously. It is a joke.
we're decades away from solid-vision VR. :P
Nah im with you on this 🤝
I know it is a joke but it's tactless. It's why male gamers get a bad wrap.
@@NetrunnerMox77 To each their own. I think it points out how stupid, selfish, self-centered, and unreasonable a lot of modern icks are.
@@NetrunnerMox77 To each there own. I think it shows how unreasonable a lot of icks are.
Maria needs to be protected. Praise the cat, for she is cute and huggable 🥰🙏
Nothing makes Most women (most not all) angrier then seeing a man happy while he's doing something that doesn't benefit her in some way.
Presumably he has already done and will continue to do things that benefit her. But because he isn't doing it right that moment, suddenly it's a "problem". /smh
The funny thing is that I’m not into VTubers but I actually enjoy watching your stuff even though this is the first video I’m watching from you but keep up the good work
Welcome to the club! :D
Just my hunch as a lil gamer boy, but people like this seemingly hate the fact that someone, partner or not, is having more fun in 10 minutes than they've had in 10 years. It also seems like most of these women with those views are stuck in 1983 regarding their views on guys. Gaming is more mainstream than ever now, dare I call it "Normie" at this point. Shocking how anyone can hate it with the ridiculous reasons they come up with.
That lil dance you did at 1:02 was damn precious eeeeeeeeeee~ And the sass I'm feeling... it's so warranted. Stick it to em!
Not just a hunch, definitely a piece of the puzzle. I'm glad that from what i can tell, people 100% see through her BS all the way down to her motivations. Another less talked about piece of the puzzle but that makes sense if you follow modern discouse on video games: It pisses them off because there are hot chicks in video games, and they feel like they can't measure up to that standard.
its funny that "i spend too much time on the computer" (learning about my job in IT, gaming, or escaping reality for a short while), but as soon as she cant shop on amazon on her phone or laptop, or the WIFI isn't working, I'm suddenly the hero
The military desensitized me to violence. Video games just gave me a laundry list of really expensive guns i want to buy.
Behind a paywall with some fancy skin too lol
Biggest red flag in women is thinking they get to dictate what I do for fun.
These things always come to mind whenever I hear these arguments.
- Do these women actually enjoy doing any activity with a guy? I've met plenty of women who don't seem to enjoy being with men but love what they can provide.
- There's a lot of people out there who want to be your friend or partner with the sole intention of changing everything about you into what they want you to be. Not for your benefit, but theirs. Why would you even want to be with people who don't enjoy you for you?
- What these women are attracted to are their ideal image of a man, not the actual thing.
- I see my share of "red pill" guys who also have this idea that games aren't meant for anyone over 30. Shows what little they know. Heck, my parents were addicted to the NES in their late 30's and made an impact on way more lives than these people ever will.
- You could argue that any recreational hobby or activity is a total waste of time, but as humans we NEED to be able to relax, unwind, de-stress and enjoy things in life. We all have our lazy moments.
- People whose hobbies include doing "what everyone else does" and follow the crowd are boring and tend to be resentful that you live life on your terms and they can't.
Anyway, nice reaction, Mari. Glad this popped up on my feed, I'll have to check out more.
As a gamer girl and former vtuber that being treated like a child thing is so true and annoying. I even have had people tell me I'd never get anywhere in life or my career if I didn't grow up! It got even worse once I became a parent since now I'm always told that mothers aren't supposed to play games, but my kids sure do love getting to play together!
Gaming takes time and attention away from these women, and they cannot abide by that.
The fact is that these women who don’t want men who play games can’t comprehend that the gamers do not want these women either. 😂😂😂
I'll take a down to earth girl that plays Animal Crossing while I play Metroid over some Pseudo-Model that thinks she's more genetically viable than she really is.
@ amen. Especially if she’s down to occasionally do some co-op or Mario kart (where we don’t go easy on each other, of course!)
@@thetiredbiker3652 Gaming solo is one thing and sometimes it's the best thing at that moment, but few things are as amazing as sharing a great game with a friend or partner.
@@Dice-Z no argument here! MY ex (we split for other reasons) was always gaming with me
Hi Mari 👋 even though I’m a new viewer, I just wanna say that I’m already sure that you’re an awesome girl and alot of people (at least me for sure) really appreciate you just for existing 🤗
You're making me blush! Thank you for being here :D
@@404MariNotFound 😃(:🙃:D😁 ✨👐✨
Thank you for sharing how much good my words made you feel!
If your Girl tells you can't do a hobby because she doesn't like it i say there is the door.
She should understand that her role is "girlfriend" and that it is not "overbearing mom".
This is why so many men watch female Vtubers it's actually nice to see a woman like video games because female gamers feel rare.
I wrote a paper in college about the increase in aggressive behavior, violence, and desensitization tied to video games(teacher picked the topic because my major was game design), and in the research I did most studies found no correlation. 90% of it is based on early 2000s late 90s rhetoric with no basis in truth. As far as skills and learning go, there actually is a correlation between games and improved hand eye coordination, fine motor control, and comprehension skills. The anti-social concept is outdated, early games were mostly anti social while modern games actually revolve around and are built around being social.
But the "video games cause violence" actually is much older then people realize. First it was books and reading, then comics, then TV and movies, and has sort of stagnated on Video games. The arguments actually go way further back and points at different media throughout recorded history. I remember reading about a time in medieval times where some claimed epics and poetry caused men to be more violent
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Don't forget rock music and DnD.
Sydney's sense of humor is actually pretty funny, and her takes also seem really great.
I love women that aren't vacuous, and women like her and Mari are ones most men want.
They feel threatened by their bf playing games because they know he has more fun with it, than with her 😂
I love how they say "Video games make you violent" but then next line they go "desensitized to violence" ... I dont think they know the words theyre using LOL
the worst part of it is that they'll date you knowing you like to game and won't bitch about it until you're already committed to each other. just date gamers if you game.
when I was a kid, I was addicted to video games because they were fun, now I play video games to calm myself down after work or if I'm wanting to pass the time. I still love video games and always will, because it's a good stress relief.
As a millennial gamer, I need to say that out loud. There have always been two groups of people in my generation, or any generation. People who stay in there line and enjoy whatever they like, and people who think their way of life and hobbies is the superior one. I hate those people.
Same generation. I'd conceptualize it a little differently: there are people who do what they enjoy, and there are people who do what they think will make them popular. What this Liz woman is basically saying is: "your hobbies won't make ME look better to other women. I won't be able to show you off and bring MYSELF more social status points with other people. I'm worried about MY image."
That's certainly something valid to worry about to some degree. People are going to shun you if you have a particularly awful partner, but Liz is taking it to a petty level.
No games for Men, no social media for women...
those women talking about how playing games is bad and childish, yet they playin all these games in their real lives.
discovered this channel a few days ago, like the content!
#cloutchaserdood
@@InfernoReaper1854 I’m glad you found me inferno!!! I hope I can keep making content that makes you smile!! Thank you for the super thanks comment heheh 🥰
They going to hate on gamers and anime enjoyers, but if you take away their phones for 1 day, they become jokers
5:48 “we dislike them because they’re anti-social- “ i literally log on most nights with my friends to play games, how is that anti-social?? 😂
5:30 This is because the word "gaming" originated in the 15th century specifically to refer to the act of gambling. Gam-bling. Gam-ing. Wasn't used in reference to even pen-and-paper games until the late 1900s. Gambling isn't just gaming "in some sense". Gambling is the very definition of gaming.
"I'm not addicted to them...I'm in love with them."-Josh from Drake and Josh
Folks who don't enjoy fiction or engaging with hypothetical scenarios tend to have a poor inner life. How can someone be so boring that they require the people around them to be a miserable reflection of themselves? Regardless of gender, connecting with a partner requires being in touch with their own heart. Putting materialism and sex first will only lead to ruin.
Your Hello Kitty hairpin is super cute btw, and thanks for defending people enjoying hobbies
Only humans feel the need to stop play activities in adulthood. Like, how does it feel to know you have less of an ability to find joy in play activities than an tortoise nudging a ball around.
"the funniest part: humans sometimes also named as homo ludens, playing human. because humas are one of the very few animals that continue to play after they grow up, unlike most animals whom only do play as training for adult life, if at all." I love how this comment is literally displayed below yours. There's at least one comment making shit up, the beauty of the internet.
4:54 not mari accidentally saying a slur 😭🙏
@@LTEG she said “trainees”, not what you think you heard.
15:29 this is another lie. When she says “planning something nice for us” she really means planning something nice for her.
I'll even take it a step further and say 1) these kinds of women want men to either making more and more money for her to spend or spend as much money as possible on her, and 2) what they don't realize is JUST MAYBE he actually is planning something but either he is chatting with his boys in the game in code the keep it a surprise knowing she might hear some things, or it is being planned for some time in the future. But these kinds of women really don't like seeing men being happy and spending time on themselves and their mental health if/when she is not included.
They say gaming is a lame and an unattractive hobby yet some women's hobby is collecting Rocks
6:51 I learned English almost entirely through video games and I'm also planning to do the same with Japanese when I get my basis up because gaming is a fun and interactive way to learn languages it also allows you to immerse yourself in the language
As a guy with severe anger issues that were not caused by video games i can confirm that videogames do not cause violence
Women who think that Gambling is a better hobby than Gaming are straight up delusional. Everything is fine in moderation of course but Gaming is not designed to be predatory and addictive like Gambling is. Some people are so ignorant that it hurts.
Most games aren’t
Gambling is seen as better in Woman Logic™ probably because when (read: if) the guy wins, she can take most, or all of the money (or pressure him into buying something overly expensive for her).
The intro of her saying “I hope your day is good” is really the only thing that’s keeping me going, that and “it is what it is”
Have these women considered men think a grown women having the vocabulary of a 5 year old is an "ick"?
It just means that we don't want those women. In my experience, meeting women in bookstores has been the best way to gauge their intelligence.
Yep. I broke up with a woman because I heard her use the term “ick”. 😂 I couldn’t get out fast enough. 🤦🏻♂️
Honestly kind of sad when alot of people tend to shame gamers for not only their hobbies, but also ignore the fact video games are commonly used as a tool for escaping from reality in general. Whicu does help with mental fatigue and depression to a degree.
As theres alot of things we want to escape from when playing video games its just there's always that one person that tried their hardest to bring you down to their level for the sake of being annoyed at the fact your having fun and are generally more interested in the fantasy of the virtual world when your not experiencing life how they want you to live it.
A better way to summerize these types of people is "The crab mentality".
Well anyways great video, the world definetly needs more wholesome people like you out there. 😀
What's sad about that woman is she doesn't realise that many of those men who engage in all these hobbies like comics and manga, figurines and toys, videogames ect would probably end up being fantastic fathers because of it.
as a gamer of 10 years, I can say that video gaming as a hobby (not as a casual) is extremely rewarding, fun and expands your knowledge.
I like to play strategy/puzzle/rpg games and you need massive brainpower in order to play some of them.
a recent favorite is outer wilds, an amazing and complex game that asks the player to intuitively understand actual physics.
@@dany_fg there’s actually proven statistics where correlation between video games and real world benefits exist. such as hand eye coordination, critical thinking skills, rapid decision making, and other sorts of cognitive benefits. (to an extent)
@@haxjason3720 I know that, but almost no one start their gaming journey for that reason.
I started my own because I fell satisfaction in solving puzzle or doing damage calculation, and still feel that way to this day.
This whole stance on hobbies in general is sooo mind blowing, it's simply frustrating. Hobbies are recreational activities. Their purpose has nothing to with being "productive", even though
they don't necessarily exclude that possibility. I mean, most hobbies are focused on relaxation and more importantly, they are focused one self, not others.
Especially today, I don't even want to be near someone who dares to question "stereotypical" women's hobbies... But it's no different, most aren't focused around being productive.
So why should men's hobbies be? It just feels disingenuous and quiet frankly resentful, to question the validity of someones hobby, just because one does not share a similar interest.
*dunks on guys for playing videogames*
*proceeds to spend hours mindlessly scrolling social media and/or TV shows*
The one thing I hate about debates around video games that they always use the most extreme examples of addiction and use it as a brush to paint every gamer or just anyone in general who enjoys playing video games which is disingenuous if you ask me. The truth is that the arguments against video games can be applied to literally anything else but that's not what you commonly hear now is it? Any addiction is bad but not all addiction are treated equally, some aren't even acknowledged at all such as some people's obsession with social platforms such as Tik Tok or even Twitter.
As a 40 something male gamer since 1996 (Quake), to today and beyond, anime figures, waifu cups, waifu wear, LAN parties etc. The girlfriends I have found share the same hobby. Gamer girls do exist, and I have been married to a gamer girl for over 10 years.
If being productive is all that matters, one could make the argument that the only productive necessities is Work, Eat and Sleep, wasting time even going home would be unproductive so you’d have to live at your job working every second of the day not spent sleeping or eating, there be no time to even care about people like 14:21 this woman.
I love how these women like men that gamble more then men that play games but gambling can very much rune peoples lives
so if a woman is judging my hobbies, I think we need to bring back the phrase "none of your business"
"Why are we eating animals, can we not?"
Preach.