One Stick Fire Challenge In Rainy Weather Conditions: Will It Work?
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Here's my try on the One Stick Fire Challenge: I am facing rather wet and cold weather conditions and am trying to get a fire started from a single log. The rules: Only use the wood itself - fat wood, birch bark, ferro rod scrapings and all other types of combustive agents/aids are forbidden. Will it work?
This challenge is meant to train outdoor skills needed in different survival and bushcraft scenarios. Please feel free to try this yourself and let me know if you succeeded. Good luck starting your fire and have a lot fun with your fire building practice!
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Ok, first off, valiant effort. You could've had the fire going several times actually. Here's what you did wrong and then I'll give you a few tips on how to prepare for your next OSF.
When you keep scraping your ferro rod, the sparks steal the oxygen from around them so while you did ignite your tinder several times, you'd put it right out by re-scraping your rod and suffocating them. Ideally, what you want to do is to strike your rod and wait a few seconds to allow any ignited tinder to come to life. But, constantly striking it will make it harder for any lit tinder to breathe.
Secondly, your choice of wood. It looked green. Ideally, you'd like something that's dead. You don't need to cut anything down (unless that's all that's available). Look for deadfall (fallen limbs) especially that's caught up and hanging or laying on a tree or rock and up in the air. Don't worry too much about it being wet outside.
Next, the diameter of your one stick was way too small. You really should've been working with at least a 4" (or 10cm) log. Why? Because you'd almost always find dry wood in something that thick no matter how wet it was outside.
Your composition; What you want to do is to split the 10cm log into 4 parts. You take one of them and make them all pure shavings, as thing as you can. Forget the sawdust. That will just absorb the moisture that's in the air and your sparks will die as soon as they land on the sawdust. Make shavings that you bunch up. Use that whole first quarter piece just for that.
Take another 2 quarters and make kindling. These will be your pencil thin pieces and your most important. Once you have ignited the tinder bundle, these will initially feed your fire and will be the first thing that begins to offer you a sustained flame. You add pieces on as the fire calls for it meaning when the flames begin to overtake the tinder bundle.
Finally, your fuel pieces will be the last quarter split into pieces about the size of your fingers. There won't be many, but it will slow down the fire so that it won't consume material as much. By this time, you should have branches next to you that you can add on. They should be next to the fire drying off and you'll start to place those sides first where the flames will catch faster.
You should've collected thicker branches as well, all before you struck your ferro rod the first time because once the fire takes off, it will need to be fed until it can burn on it's own and that means burning pieces of wood at least 1" (2.5cm) thick.
Then you can walk away and look for bigger pieces of fuel to add on.
What kills me about your video is that you're surrounded by birch bark! 😂
One piece of that and you would've had your fire raging within a couple of minutes! LOL But, that's no challenge. When I did my own video, even though I fought with it for 12 minutes, I had a couple of big pieces of birch bark under my camera tripod and I was using a piece of hard oak which was even more difficult to work with. But, I stuck it out and got it done.
And finally, that's the best part of your video. You have the determination to get it done. You just needed a few more tweeks in your technique. I'm sure you'll make it happen easily the next time.
Remember, put all your tinder in the pile first. Don't add pieces on. It should all be there because it's going to need to feed as soon as it's ignited. Have your kindling ready to add on slowly (not all at once) until it begins to burn well and you start hearing that crackling sound and then you can feed it fuel (bigger pieces).
90% of your fire work is done before you even strike the ferro rod the first time. All of your needs should be there next to you (twigs, branches, sticks, etc...).
Looking forward to your next attempt. Good luck!
My "One Stick Fire In The Rain" video here: ruclips.net/video/BiDy8EOPVg0/видео.html
Thanks for the elaborate comment - all fair points, appreciate it. Just one point on the birch bark: I usually use that, but I was told that no such fuel is allowed. Just like fatwood or scraping some material off the rod. Otherwise I'd certainly have used the bark, but I though: Fair's fair 🙈
@@RathwulvenBushcraft Exactly. The purpose of the One Stick Fire is to teach woodcraft skills (knife use, composition of firelay, etc..). Like I said, I had a bunch of it when I made my One Stick Fire in the rain sitting under the camera tripod myself. 😁
This is realistic. Usually when I fail I will try with a lighter. Then will realize the wood has some moisture that I can not detect.
It’s a proponent to always carry “fire cheats”. I use bbq coal starter nuggets as the best.
Thanks for your comment. Well, birch bark, fatwood or other natural combustive agents also would do the trick. They were not allowed in this type of challenge - that's also why I decided to not cut out any attempt or manipulate the outcome in some way. I guess that helps most to see how real conditions are. :)
Appreciate the feedback, ATB
Sehr ehrliches Video mein Freund! Ich werde die Challenge annehmen.... wird aber auf sich warten lassen!
Super, freut mich. Nimm dir alle Zeit :-)
Sehr schönes Video! Finde es super auch zu zeigen wenn etwas mal nicht klappelt, anstatt irgendwas zu insziniern 😊👍
Vielen Dank für die Nominierung! Ich werde mich mal daran begeben 😎
Danke, bin gespannt wie das läuft
Will my friend you gave it a great shot. In my opinion if you’re not failing you’re not learning.
Amen to that.
Thanks for your comment!
Prep is key, wood as dry as possible, finer and much more woodshavings, with the small fibers exposed. Sometimes its handy to shred the pieces in your hands. Not every wood accepts a spark well.
True, I had to go for what could be found, there's only birch, a couple of oaks and one yew in that area.
Thanks for your feedback, I very much appreciate it :)
Danke Ralf für dieses Video. Was ich daraus lernen kann, auch wenn man mehr Erfahrung hat ist es nicht leicht in diesen Bedingungen ein Feuer zu machen.
Für mich bedeutet es, üben, üben, üben und selbst dann kann ich nicht sicher sein, dass es funktioniert.
Liebe Grüße, Petra
Genau das ist es - Übung, Übung, Übung. Ich bin da selbst raus, hab die letzten Monate kaum Feuer gemacht bzw. mit Feathersticks gearbeitet. Wer rastet, rostet - da bin ich schuldig im Sinne der Anklage. ;-)
Hoffe trotzdem dass es hilft, wenn man mal die Seite der Medaille zeigt. Scheitern gehört halt immer dazu.
Danke für den Kommentar & alles Gute
Ralf
Thx a lot Ralf, i´ll do my very best ;) but i´ll use ne Bushbuddy for safty forest.
Awesome, can't wait to see the try
PS - a comment on a comment - Ferro rods are not made from magnesium, they are made from ferrocerium. There are lots of magnesium fire starters out there but you were using an actual Ferro rod. Magnesium starters come in a rectangular block and usually have a Ferro rod attached to the side to produce the sparks, with the magnesium there to provide additional heat from the shavings that are ignited by striking a Ferro rod.
(1) Sir (brother) - your video is excellent, BECAUSE it shows just how difficult it is to start a fire and steers people clear of wet or rotten wood (2) I just returned from a camping trip in Canada where I witnessed many such failed fire starting events and personally had the same problem exactly (3) in my non-expert opinion two things happened here #1 the tinder was not fine enough and #2 you did what we all do, once it just gets started we smother it with more wood.
So in my non-expert opinion I would suggest to all your viewers (1) spend your time making sure that the tinder is comprised of very fine filamentary material, "shave those wood chips down and bake those biscuits brown' (sorry to steal the song lyrics there) then (2) have more intermediate sized tinder and kindling available to feed the fire once the 'birds nest' gets going.
When I prepare the tinder properly, it doesn't take more than about 3 or 4 strikes on the ferro rod to light it up. When I fail to prepare that filamentary material properly I can wear that rod down to nothing and its not going to light.
Really its a question of understanding the fire triangle (1) fuel (2) air (3) heat. The birds nest must be airy and think about how much heat is in a spark - not enough to light a thick shaving and when we add too much wood too soon we are sucking the heat away from the parts that are burning and causing the fire to extinguish. Also I think the saw dust was not much help because it has no way for air to get in there.
Where I was in south central Canada, everything was very wet after a rainy summer (while the rest of the country burned from a record year of horrific forest fires) and I tried what you tried - not using birch, pine needles, fluff etc. - just wood chips.
Thanks very much and remember that every so called failure isit an invaluable learning experience if you don't give up - and you did get it going after all.
Schöne Vorführung - so gings mir schon mehrfach - der One-stick bei Feuchtwetterlage ist ein Coach für Geduld ;)
Danke fürs Zeigen deiner Erfahrung!
Stimmt - und Hand aufs Herz: Ich hab echt unsorgfältig gearbeitet. Mit manchen BCF-Leuten wurde schon einiges debattiert. Ich muss mal wieder mehr mit Feathersticks üben, die letzten Monate war ich faul, hehe.
Danke dass du reingeschaut hast. Grüss mir auch mal Rocco und Schlomo
Hi Ralf.
Sehr schönes Video 👍🏼. Ich hätte gewettet, das du es schaffst. Aber wie man sieht, ist das gar nicht so einfach 😉
Danke für meine Kanalerwähnung 👊🏼
Schönes Wochenende und liebe Grüße Thom ✌🏼🤠
Danke für den Kommentar. Ich mach die Tage noch mal ein weiteres, mir ist jetzt viel Feedback zugeschickt worden von dem vieles Sinn macht.
Trail and error is the name of the game Ralf. In the true sense of the challenge it's a fail because you could not keep the fire going. On the other hand, personally I think this is one of the hardest fire making challenges there is, so to get the fire going in the first place is an achievment in itself and thus a smal succes. I probably would have searched for birch I think, because of the birchtar its one of the easiest woods to make a fire, and very common in the Netherlands as you know. Anyway, nice video ;-)
Thanks for the comment, Bert. I would have also gone for birch bark, but the rules of the challenge do forbid such a technique. Just like scraping the magnesium off the ferro rod or using fatwood, for example. Certainly was an interesting experience, next time it's just gonna work fine - just gotta keep on going :) Have a good one!
@@RathwulvenBushcraft touché, otherwise ther would'nt be a challenge! ;-). I'll put myself to the challenge and make one too.
What is that back pack you ar using? I looks so much like my old school back pack.
It is made by Gootium - I am currently working on a long-term-review of my backpacks, will give more detail then. :)
Another hint is: for a stubborn fire, scrape very lightly your Ferro Rod and collect the magnesium (about 25 cents size) and add it to your wood shaving or dust.. the magnesium will light the wood scraping. Remember your Ferro Rod is made of magnesium.
I know, but this would go against the rules of the actual challenge. I did not mention this in the video, I guess, but no other fuel is allowed. No matter if it is the magnesium, some fatwood or anything related to that.
@@RathwulvenBushcraft no magnesium of the Ferro Rod?!? Wow that's a good challenge. It's great for hard core survival. How about a drill and a bird's nest, are you allowed?
@@nickcasolino8903 Yes, a drill is allowed indeed. Both the hand drill and bow drill. :)
Great effort mate you had it going a few times might have to give this challenge a got sometime atvb jimmy 😎😎
Hey Jimmy, thanks for the comment. Well please do so, if you want I'll just give you an extra nomination here. Let me know how it goes 😊
This is a wonderful video- Great shots! One stick fire! Thats the same rule we have here In Scandinavia!
Thanks for the comment - and greetings up north to one of the most beautiful areas in the world :-)
Really liked this one, thanks for sharing this and thanks for the chat.
Thanks, glad to hear - hope to see you stick around.
I am still learning about that skill and this helps thanks
its cool that you show all of the trying without cutting out your troubles
Thanks for the comment - just keep on going 🤠👍
I tried this challenge yesterday. The wood was dry as F so it was so more simple but it took me also way too long to get the first flamme. But, just like you, i didnt quit and finally i managed to get the 🔥 started and boiled water i was so happy! Next timz i have to try it with a wet piece of wood to challenge myself again! Nice try anyway!
Great video thanks for sharing. Really showed the importance of fine curls. Good Job learning is what its all about
Good effort at the challenge. The fact that you had flame was a success. the fact that you did smothered the fire with bigger twigs to soon was a failure. Never the less... I enjoyed the video Ralf... Dennis, Canoehound Adventures
Hey Dennis - thanks for the comment. Glad you enjoyed the video, wanted to keep it real. :)
Thanks for posting this. I appreciate people showing their failures.
Thanks for your comment - I totally agree. There is too much make-believe on tape these days, no matter if we talk about RUclips, Discovery Channel or elsewhere. I am really happy that a different approach resonates with you and others.
Have a good one!
Finally you got it going,very realistic how it really goes
Stay safe my friend
Thanks Steve, glad you liked the footage.
All the best to you too, stay healthy!
Ralf
Good video, faillure comes with succes, it's just part of it!
For wet conditions i always have a magnesiumrod with me, the heat of it dries the wood instantly.
Thanks for sharing it with us....
Hey Verdi - true that, but using magnesium itself as a combustive agent was against the rules of that challenge. Hence the rather sobering result ß but hey, that's life. :)
If you learned of this then it was a success.
A few thing I would do different is creating more saw dust, about 4-5 feathersticks and lost of small shavings. Also I would have made a few smaller split down sticks.
Me personaly would try the firesteel on saw dust and a few very tiny shavings. Then when there is a flame start adding the feathersticks.
But dont get me wrong, it was a very nice try. My guess is that the wood was still a little bit to wet.
Yeah the preparation work was a little sloppy indeed. :) Thanks for commenting.
ruclips.net/video/NZyg-CDiKac/видео.html Da fällt mir ein, ich hatte ja schon mal eins vor Jahren gemacht. Ich mache aber gern nochmal eins... :)
Haha genial. Ja mach gerne noch mal eins, es ist immer interessant zu sehen was man so nach langer Zeit anders bzw. besser macht. Bin gespannt!
You needed more smallies. You put the big pieces to fast. More smallies and less biggies until the fire has been estalished
Yeah I agree, not all too easy if one just has a little piece like that. Thanks for your honest feedback, appreciate it.
Great video, and respect for not losing your cool. My only question is howcome you didn't use any of the long grassy stuff behind you in the outro? Otherwise, I will try this as a fun exercise / learning experience with my children. I just need to get a fire steel, first. They are at the age where learning some bushcrafts won't kill them...
Thanks for the comment and great question: The challenge is to use one stick only, so that naturally excludes fibres like grass straws and what not. If people challenge me with these things, I tend to take such challenges literally. Could have also shot the clip in better conditions - which would translate in building a fire without any issues.
Still I personally like to show realistic footage - especially as the more popular folks on social media often distort reality. My approach is a little different: Even with X years of experience as a bushcrafter and what not, things can go south. Mother nature always has the upper hand.
How did the exercise with the kids go?
@@RathwulvenBushcraft Of course! "One stick fire"! It's in the title of the challenge. You seem like an honourable that is true to your word. Such qualities are rare these days, and it is refreshing to see. I have to order a fire steel before I can try the challenge out myself. It is almost time to get back into our allotment, and I plan to do some "backyard" style camping this year. I really miss camping in Australia. I will certainly let you know how it goes. You're absolutely right. No plan survives first contact, and that often includes first contact with Mother Nature! ;)
Love this you show how no matter who you are us vs nature is a struggle
Thanks for the comment - well I try to keep all of my footage real. As this was a challenge in which no "fire cheats" were allowed, I thought I keep the footage unedited (hence the many tries featured).
I would not say that nature is a struggle, though: I'd rather look for a symbiosis with nature and/or for the many opportunities and resources it provides. Sure, it ain't all easy business, but nature can be as giving as it sometimes is taking. :)
ATB
@@RathwulvenBushcraft of course wise words. But I don't feel so bad now when I have went out for a day camp without topping up my tinder pouch and failed to get a fire. Take care sir.
Oh Man
I really felt for you. Wet conditions and wet wood. One stick awesome challenge.
Well tried and great perseverance 👍🏻
Hey Michael, thanks for watching and your comment. As usual, I try to keep my results real. There's too much content on RUclips that does not really address the real deal, in my opinion. Failures are cut out or dozens of attempts are edited down to a couple of attempts - I guess that helps nobody.
I guess I might do another one at a later point, truth being told: I did quite some sloppy work there, too. But that's for the upcoming footage. Have a good one!
But as you say, you kept it real. So many fake fire starts it’s unreal and unhelpful. May even cost someone their life. Oh so and so did this and the fire was great. They fail and freeze to death 👎🏻
Thanks for genuine content 👍🏻
@@Yorkshiremadmick Right. Appreciate the nice words, have a good one!
Hope your weekend is cracking 👍🏻