The only advantage I think Frank and other artist/writers had back in the day is that you just *know* no one at modern Marvel is working to develop creators' potential like they did with Frank. If anything, Marvel is encouraging mediocrity because they'd rather pay pennies for an artist who only uses one line-weight to draw their glorified Netflix storyboards.
Now imagine most of today's comics pros, feet up with their finger hovering over the block button all day, viewing critique as outright insults. If there IS another Frank out there, we might not see him for a while.
That's really exciting news about Splatto. It's awesome to see you becoming a full-fledged publisher in the industry. Man, your inbox is gonna be flooded!
And just think -- someday in the far future, I'll be reaching up to my bookshelf, carefully selecting this favorite old classic, and showing off my (autographed!) copy of Jawbreakers to new young fans as they ask how it all began. . . 😁
There was a time when people (not just in the comics industry) understood that you started out at the bottom, took whatever jobs you could get, worked hard, paid your dues, and if you had talent, people around you (and above you) would realize it and reward you, accordingly. Not one of the artists we now consider to be legends achieved their mythic status because of their race, sexual orientation, identity, etc., but achieved it through effort, talent, and persistence. We have a whole generation of "creatives" expecting constant validation and thinking their skin color, gender or gender identity makes them deserving of privilege.
What kept Frank going was that he KNEW he could keep improving. He KNEW he could do better and ate up every opportunity anyone would give him in order to do so. Practice practice practice.
@@protestant3207 Good ol' Richard, how could i forget about him. I would like to add Liberatore, but although he is a fantastic artist, is not one of the masters
@@protestant3207 Sadly, no(but i have checked it now), i have been out of the "comic scene" since 95 i think. I just couldn't keep o reading the garbage that was polluting the medium, and seeing these new comics, i dont regret it one bit. I liked The Maxx(image) from newer creations though, and early Spawn was good too(now it's garbage)
I’m willing to be convinced, but in the abstract I’m not overly interested in Splato books not by Ya Boi. But I been wrong before. An obvious exception for me would be a Chuck Dixon book.
I just love that Mark tried to stop you getting a comic printed and just made you become a comic publisher. lol. They have made you thousands of times more of a threat to them than you was with the original Jawbreakers - they have made you into the monster they thought you were. lol.
If you want a good fun Frank Miller book. Including his art. Look for Marvel Two-In-One #51. Among other things it gives the most definitive Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel up until Kelly Sue DeConick completely trashed the character.
Hm...Cinematic City skylines...Dynamic Street Level Angles of brownstone buildings... so...creators used to actually DRAW backgrounds. Because...they...(rubbing chin...) "CARED". ..I gotta look into this phenomenon more.
Holy shit... I'm 33 and this gives me so much hope. I wonder how Frank grew up, if he was in an encouraging environment. Is it possible to find mentors in this day and age?
@@spaceknight793 It really is a shame that we don't have solid apprenticeship programs for craft and skill anymore. All been taken over by Big Schooling and their overpriced windbag lecturers.
I had to be honest with my self AGAIN and admit my writing and ability needs improvement AGAIN and started my book over AGAIN. By the time I have it ready maybe you will be up and running and can check it out. 🙏🤝
Oh cool! I remember this storyline from the spider man comic strip in the newspaper way back in the old days! (kids, a “newspaper” was a media format where data was write once, read many with storage that could be accessed at any point on hard copy “pages” made from environmentally unsustainable pulped wood.)
I remember when he first appeared you just knew he had...something. It was a slow burn though...drew a bit like Gil Kane and Ditko...quirky and cinematic with crazy good storytelling. He didn't really explode until he started writing his own stuff-that's when his talent just soared and he just did one groundbreaking work after another. His influence is all over comic book movies and television today since today's creators grew up with his stuff and he doesn't get enough credit for this. I think he really helped to elevate comics and get the mainstream to take it seriously. One of the great all time legends in comic book history....
I know some people won't know how the Spidey/DD story comes about, but putting in extra pages with similar art into a Frank Miller book is, imho, like making corrections to the Mona Lisa.
If you want to expand as a publisher, please hire some staff. You work yourself like a horse for your own comics, so I'm afraid adding others' on top of it could have detrimental effects. But nevertheless, I hope it works out!
If you take a look at the very first page of the comics that Zack showed, you’ll notice that the background (including the cars) are drawn very simplistic, but it works. I can’t stand modern art, in which everything seems traced, because they are all 3D models
Not sure. His style changed. Even his Sin City stuff looked pretty good, then it went to heroes with big boots, and big clumpy hands drawn out of proportion. I think he got sick? I don't really like his own art style now. It's a shame.
@@da5idnz Yeah, I've heard that. Before now, the earliest stuff I'd seen from him was Dark Knight Returns, and though even that wasn't entirely my style, I could respect it. His art was consistent, and when he wanted to do a big splash or a double page spread, it looked good, his lines were pretty clean, meaning he knew what he was doing. But now, you look at stuff like his Dark Knight sequels or Superman Year One covers, and you've got to do a triple take. I don't see how he could think it looks good. I mean, if you're just continuing drawing as a hobby and keeping it for yourself, go for it, but to put his art on a published work for people to buy, with his reputation?....It's strange to me.
I have this comic in a Daredevil collection I'd bought (The Frank Miller Years, I think?). btw, I love how you're ambitious about growing your company. The payrate model you discussed at the beginning makes me want to draw for you. Once I get my webcomic started and running smoothly, we could work on something.
They say if you wanted to get in the business the rough way and take harsh criticisms you went through guys like No joke Neal Adams. That's why I respect old school talent like Frank Miller even more cause he not only paid his dues,he earned them.
I have the original issues but almost want to get this one just for that new cool Miller cover on it. I’ve always loved any time DD and Spidey would team up with each other. Check out PPTSSM 107 to 110 for a great one of them “The Death of Jean DeWolff” written by Peter David.
Zack dammit! It's okay to rip up bad SJW comics -- we're fine with that. But your audience is cringing when you tear up great comics... George Lucas pages, notwithstanding.
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The only advantage I think Frank and other artist/writers had back in the day is that you just *know* no one at modern Marvel is working to develop creators' potential like they did with Frank. If anything, Marvel is encouraging mediocrity because they'd rather pay pennies for an artist who only uses one line-weight to draw their glorified Netflix storyboards.
Isn't line-weight a basic thing they teach in intro drawing classes?
Now imagine most of today's comics pros, feet up with their finger hovering over the block button all day, viewing critique as outright insults.
If there IS another Frank out there, we might not see him for a while.
@Sharan Mudda no. Wayyyy different. Almost no comparison.
That's really exciting news about Splatto. It's awesome to see you becoming a full-fledged publisher in the industry. Man, your inbox is gonna be flooded!
How awesome would that be, to improve my artwork to a magnitude where I could work in a blooming comic book company...
And just think -- someday in the far future, I'll be reaching up to my bookshelf, carefully selecting this favorite old classic, and showing off my (autographed!) copy of Jawbreakers to new young fans as they ask how it all began. . . 😁
There was a time when people (not just in the comics industry) understood that you started out at the bottom, took whatever jobs you could get, worked hard, paid your dues, and if you had talent, people around you (and above you) would realize it and reward you, accordingly. Not one of the artists we now consider to be legends achieved their mythic status because of their race, sexual orientation, identity, etc., but achieved it through effort, talent, and persistence. We have a whole generation of "creatives" expecting constant validation and thinking their skin color, gender or gender identity makes them deserving of privilege.
What kept Frank going was that he KNEW he could keep improving. He KNEW he could do better and ate up every opportunity anyone would give him in order to do so.
Practice practice practice.
I hope one day to be good enough to have Zach rip a page from one of my good books.
Im a simple man. I see FRANK MILLER
I Click.
Superdarkwater Videos seen comments like this roughly about 20 times today
Same here.
Frank Miller is an amazing story when it comes to hard work and growth as a comic writer/creator.
Thank you! That panel with spidey falling and the rocket over Ny
Miller's work is forever written among other legends of the medium like Serpieri, Moore, Wrightson, Loisel, Morrison, Moebius...
@@protestant3207 Good ol' Richard, how could i forget about him. I would like to add Liberatore, but although he is a fantastic artist, is not one of the masters
@@protestant3207 Sadly, no(but i have checked it now), i have been out of the "comic scene" since 95 i think. I just couldn't keep o reading the garbage that was polluting the medium, and seeing these new comics, i dont regret it one bit. I liked The Maxx(image) from newer creations though, and early Spawn was good too(now it's garbage)
I’m willing to be convinced, but in the abstract I’m not overly interested in Splato books not by Ya Boi. But I been wrong before. An obvious exception for me would be a Chuck Dixon book.
I saw "The Spirit" IN THEATERS...
The things I saw on that screen haunt me to this very day...
Rough editing but great video. I love looking at and talking about old comics.
I just love that Mark tried to stop you getting a comic printed and just made you become a comic publisher. lol. They have made you thousands of times more of a threat to them than you was with the original Jawbreakers - they have made you into the monster they thought you were. lol.
Frank Miller is a bonafide legend 💪💪 and his art and writing back in the 80s are amazing to this day 🔥🔥
If you want a good fun Frank Miller book. Including his art. Look for Marvel Two-In-One #51. Among other things it gives the most definitive Carol Danvers/Ms. Marvel up until Kelly Sue DeConick completely trashed the character.
I, unironically, Love Frank Miller's The Spirit movie.
Agreed!
Hm...Cinematic City skylines...Dynamic Street Level Angles of brownstone buildings...
so...creators used to actually DRAW backgrounds. Because...they...(rubbing chin...) "CARED". ..I gotta look into this phenomenon more.
Holy shit... I'm 33 and this gives me so much hope. I wonder how Frank grew up, if he was in an encouraging environment. Is it possible to find mentors in this day and age?
@@spaceknight793 It really is a shame that we don't have solid apprenticeship programs for craft and skill anymore. All been taken over by Big Schooling and their overpriced windbag lecturers.
I had to be honest with my self AGAIN and admit my writing and ability needs improvement AGAIN and started my book over AGAIN. By the time I have it ready maybe you will be up and running and can check it out. 🙏🤝
Oh cool! I remember this storyline from the spider man comic strip in the newspaper way back in the old days! (kids, a “newspaper” was a media format where data was write once, read many with storage that could be accessed at any point on hard copy “pages” made from environmentally unsustainable pulped wood.)
I remember when he first appeared you just knew he had...something.
It was a slow burn though...drew a bit like Gil Kane and Ditko...quirky and cinematic with crazy good storytelling.
He didn't really explode until he started writing his own stuff-that's when his talent just soared and he just did one groundbreaking work after another.
His influence is all over comic book movies and television today since today's creators grew up with his stuff and he doesn't get enough credit for this.
I think he really helped to elevate comics and get the mainstream to take it seriously.
One of the great all time legends in comic book history....
I know some people won't know how the Spidey/DD story comes about, but putting in extra pages with similar art into a Frank Miller book is, imho, like making corrections to the Mona Lisa.
Ive started to notice Im generally happier when I read *good* comic books, like this one
Ya boi " OG Lawsuit Comic Ripper" Zach. Amazing!
His 'bad' stuff is infinity more pleasing that a lot of 💩 these days
Frank Miller is a legend, great vid as always.
If you want to expand as a publisher, please hire some staff. You work yourself like a horse for your own comics, so I'm afraid adding others' on top of it could have detrimental effects.
But nevertheless, I hope it works out!
I'm surprised this hasnt happened yet with all of these CG books coming out. You can have your own fulfillment so talent doesnt have to.
Thanks for showing the layout aspects of comics!
Wow all of his Cover art is amazing and compelling.
How weird.
I only just reread those issues a short while ago.
If you take a look at the very first page of the comics that Zack showed, you’ll notice that the background (including the cars) are drawn very simplistic, but it works. I can’t stand modern art, in which everything seems traced, because they are all 3D models
Frank Miller Daredevil best Daredevil
Zack is the Stan Lee of indie comics.
Holy s**t! Does that say pencils by Frank Miller? I've never seen his really early art before. It's not bad at all. What happened to him?!
Lazy + old + he looking like he is on meth these days
@Fernando Yanmar atleast Michael Bay have efforts to make his movies looks pretty
Not sure. His style changed. Even his Sin City stuff looked pretty good, then it went to heroes with big boots, and big clumpy hands drawn out of proportion. I think he got sick? I don't really like his own art style now. It's a shame.
@@da5idnz Yeah, I've heard that. Before now, the earliest stuff I'd seen from him was Dark Knight Returns, and though even that wasn't entirely my style, I could respect it. His art was consistent, and when he wanted to do a big splash or a double page spread, it looked good, his lines were pretty clean, meaning he knew what he was doing. But now, you look at stuff like his Dark Knight sequels or Superman Year One covers, and you've got to do a triple take. I don't see how he could think it looks good. I mean, if you're just continuing drawing as a hobby and keeping it for yourself, go for it, but to put his art on a published work for people to buy, with his reputation?....It's strange to me.
Love to see books where you can tell how much heart soul and effort into it, super inspiring
I have this comic in a Daredevil collection I'd bought (The Frank Miller Years, I think?).
btw, I love how you're ambitious about growing your company. The payrate model you discussed at the beginning makes me want to draw for you. Once I get my webcomic started and running smoothly, we could work on something.
The thumbnail is beautiful.
I can't wait to sign on to Splatto Comics B)
They say if you wanted to get in the business the rough way and take harsh criticisms you went through guys like No joke Neal Adams. That's why I respect old school talent like Frank Miller even more cause he not only paid his dues,he earned them.
And now the writers bow to anyone with a politic agenda , for just some pennies
its mark of the soy system without it u cant buy or sell
I have the original issues but almost want to get this one just for that new cool Miller cover on it. I’ve always loved any time DD and Spidey would team up with each other. Check out PPTSSM 107 to 110 for a great one of them “The Death of Jean DeWolff” written by Peter David.
I don't care what anyone says about FM, he is one of the greatest to this industry to ever grace a page. Damn he is good!
Miller is comic royalty !!
Well look at the comic industry now there is no standard within the new artist and writer the can't take criticism
I haven't read that story in decades. Great stuff.
Too bad Miller's biggest fan, Wizard Magazine are no longer here to support him!
Zack dammit! It's okay to rip up bad SJW comics -- we're fine with that. But your audience is cringing when you tear up great comics... George Lucas pages, notwithstanding.
Another great video, bro!
He also gave us All Star Batman & Robin
Yeah... that page was not as important as it looked, lol!
If you think that's a bad villian name read the Man Thing. A villian is called F. A. Schist
Is this the story when some villain tries to blind Daredevil?
At least Frank Miller DARED to get any gig...brave man...
love your videos , i have als so i can't read normal comics . would love a digital copy
Did you just *"ya Boi Zack"* the *"George Lucased"* portion of a Frank Miller comic?
Shouldn't his Spider-sense help him get around while blind? Or does that only work when he blindfolds himself to fight Mysterio?
Solid stuff
Here's a good watch ruclips.net/video/41FeFIJKma0/видео.html it's about blazing saddles
that was the old rome
this is the new rome
and they made nero a waifu in fate extra
Dannphan sounds different here. Hmm.
The art just looks "off" to me. Like the perspective is wonkey on the humans or something.
Frank Miller hasn’t written a good book since the 90s
I can't wait to sign on to Splatto Comics B)
Your profile pic fits greatly with your comment