The arm pockets are needed because on operations the guys in the field are often wearing body armour in a plate carrier so you can't get to your chest pockets.
I love the way civvies clamber to buy these smocks whilst the military clamber to buy civvy made versions from Keela, Solo, Carinthia, Arktis and so on.
I love all the zips and deep pockets and agree with you about the arm pockets. I love all military surplus (I always buy the surplus for cost). I like the new one as well but if I had the choice of both and had to pick one for myself, I would still go with the old one, cheers Alan
I quite agree with your deliberations on this jacket Jim Bob….I am ex 95 pattern military and have a new pattern jacket both the same as yours and a waterproof longer version. The w/ p one I have been out in storms and it is brilliant!
Just bought one of these today, cheapest one I saw was from an out of town Army surplus dealer on ebay, they were selling Grade 1's, for £28, with free delivery and free returns if needed, (nice touch that) but I wasn't quite sure what size to order, as I know military gear can be quite a generous fit, so I was thinking I'd need the 180/140, as I'm 6ft tall and measure about 40-41 inches around the chest, then I found an Army surplus dealer near to where I live, (NE UK) so I had a short drive over there and tried on the 180/140, and sure enough I found it to be quite roomy, even though I was wearing a thermal T-shirt and a thick fleece jacket underneath, so I ended buying a 180/96, (NATO Size 7080/9095) and it feels just fine while wearing the same gear underneath it, although it does restrict arm movement, but only very slightly. The only problem I might have is that I want to use this as a three season jacket, and when the weather gets really cold, I'll probably want to add more layers which is going to restrict arm movement even more, but it'll be perfect to wear in the Spring and Autumn months, and I like how it goes to half way (ish) past my thighs covering my backside But I did pay more for this one, it was £45, but it is a Grade 1, and the Smock 2 version and in great condition, but I suppose it's always best to support a local trader where you can. But overall I'm really pleased with this jacket, I'll be wearing it next time I go up into my local hills and moors along with my Army surplus Grade 1 Alberg Defender boots lol
Sounds like we are about the same size. Mine is a 180/104. In the winter I use one of those light down jackets the walkers use under mine. Makes a great liner and not too bulky. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
I bought one today,from our local army surplus place.Strikeforce UK,here in Somerset. Brand new,still in the packet.I got it for a touch under £40.00. Bought the new pcs jacket for wearing underneath too. Great combination for the north winds we’re getting at the moment down here.It still dosnt beat my 1977 German Parka though. It’s falling to pieces,but like your old DPM smock,I won’t get rid of it. I’ve had it since 1985! All the best.
JB, I have the old windproof smock from the 80's made of garbardine. I don't wear mine in the rain if I can help it. Maybe a little drizzle but from time to time I soak it in NikWax to help with the water resistance. I'm quite happy with the old DPM style, I even had military woollen socks stitched onto the cuffs. Enjoy your new smock👍 atb Taff 🤠
These smocks come with a DWR finish to them. They need reproofing regularly if you want to keep it water resistant. The Mesh version you have has had two upgrades with the mesh now gone.
well done sir, i just got an old one but unissued, new in bag in desert DPM from Varusteleka to augment my old classic one from a surplus store outside DC. ive been debating the new one so your video is well recieved. i agree, velcro is very noisy, and catches on things, and is bad in snow. i like the concept of ventilation but loathe mesh pockets, as they catch everything, and then rip. the pit zips are a big plus though, and the nyco 50/50 is used as i understand it because its good in fire, at least as a economy solution, with IED;s and VBIED's making burns a greater threat over in the desert unpleasantness. Apparently the combustion of the cotton stops the nylon drip and the drip extingueshes the cotton, an anti-symbiosis balance of sorts according to what ive read. Well done review, cheers from the States!
Thanks for the info John. Now I have had it a few months, I like it apart from the velcro. It works ok but often when I am putting it on the velcro sticks to the mesh inner. Its only a small niggle but I can live with it. Regards JB (UK south coast) 👍
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I love my 90s smock. The cotton is so comfortable, the pockets are roomy and useful. I have the new smock too. The sizing is more generous, almost to baggy. I think the new camo pattern is extremely effective across a broader range of environments and works really well down under where the greens are far more muted than northern European woodland. It definitely needs breaking in. May try water proofing it. The German flecktarn raincoat has not stood up to heavy rain. Seams are stuffed.
@@frogmaster83 Me too, it may not be as water resistant but it's just so comfortable to wear. That said I have been wearing the new MTP smock and it handles heavy rain amazingly well. Its been treated with some kind of water repellent because the rain beeds up and mostly just drops off. That was its first real test and I have to say it stood up bloody well. The baggy fit tends to stop rain wetting your legs as much too.
Nice honest review, got to admit though I prefer my DPM jackets, the mtp camo looks like a painter and decorator's overalls. I have an mtp shirt & the amount of velcro does me in, I even unstitched the whole velcro/blanking patches on the sleeves, leaving just the little pockets on, as they caught on everything. All the best & thanks 👍
Good video. I've got one of these now - found it a few months ago on dartmoor. Near new condition/genuine issue (in my size), along with a few items in the pockets! Mine differs - the zipped chest pockets are not mesh lined. The arm pockets have velcro along the edge. ATB
I prefer the older dpm ones tbh they seem better made🤷♂️ like you say they are definitely not waterproof I've also had the trousers they just don't make em like they used to they look good though 😂
i laughed at the 4:15 mark, "i dont see why this is necessary when ive already have 6 pockets" a seperate note, treat it with nikwax to make it fully waterproof, nikwax is a uk company which maintains that its products have no harsh chemicals that harm the environment as well.
Have DPM,& Desert, 2each, so far like the MTP, but hear 2 versions available, waiting for size and features out there...... somewhere. Good shillouet breakup w/ brush & season... enjoy.
Not too sure as to whether or not I like the new one mate if im honest...the arm pockets ?? Not needed ...some other good new features ...but I guess time will tell if its as good as the previous model
Thanks for watching Justin. I was the same as you when I first saw it. Now I have used it a couple of times, its growing on me. I like most of the new things apart from the sleeve pockets. Pointless when you already have 6 big ones. Regards JB.
@@frogmaster83 exactly my friend..guess its wearing it frequently and finding out all its pros and cons that determine how good its going to be...6 pockets is more than enough
arm pockets are for smart cards, kill cards, also can hold TQs and combat gauze. very useful if doing military things as it was designed for, as you would be wearing body armor over this garment and wouldnt have access to the pockets on the torso.
Smock Combat Windproof MTP NATO stock number 8415-99-317-8391. I got mine off Ebay brand new. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-BRITISH-ARMY-MTP-WINDPROOF-HOODED-SMOCKS-VARIOUS-SIZES-BRAND-NEW/264915911286?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=564763906996&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
Its a good jacket. I got mine new for that money though. Let me find you the link. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-BRITISH-ARMY-MTP-WINDPROOF-HOODED-SMOCKS-VARIOUS-SIZES-BRAND-NEW/264915911286?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
They are good mate. Now I have had mine a few months it has softened up a bit. The pockets are massive and I love how the rolled up hood keeps the wind of your neck like a scarf.
I picked up mine on Ebay. Cheapest I could find at the time. ruclips.net/user/redirect?event=comments&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbUdxejhnUXQ1S2xpMnVWQkw0Q3p2UktUUmJ1Z3xBQ3Jtc0tsc0FJcWRFZExXenQwN01rV3ZvUEJDQTRxT2lva3cyZy0xN0tpVngyUWg1bWpuLWUzNzI2Wm1YdU40ZHBCRWtqdnF4N2Z4TzdHTW15NnpXTTk2a3AtU0hwcjdOYmV1N25ydDJ4MjdROGZmSl9KbVpjVQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fitm%2FGENUINE-BRITISH-ARMY-MTP-WINDPROOF-HOODED-SMOCKS-VARIOUS-SIZES-BRAND-NEW%2F264915911286%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%253AMEBIDX%253AIT%26_trksid%3Dp2060353.m2749.l2649&stzid=UgwMYmC5oZO_RrG7z6R4AaABAg.9JdA8FenDql9JdAkiQrCYz
The arm pockets are needed because on operations the guys in the field are often wearing body armour in a plate carrier so you can't get to your chest pockets.
Looking good mate I think the old ones don't make as much noise. Take care my friend. 😎🐺☮️👍
Yes, the old one being softer is silent in use. We will see how the new one is after a few months. 👍
I love the way civvies clamber to buy these smocks whilst the military clamber to buy civvy made versions from Keela, Solo, Carinthia, Arktis and so on.
Civvies want them because they are cheap, and it don't matter if you trash them. 👍
I love all the zips and deep pockets and agree with you about the arm pockets. I love all military surplus (I always buy the surplus for cost). I like the new one as well but if I had the choice of both and had to pick one for myself, I would still go with the old one, cheers Alan
Yes I still love my old 94 pattern one. 😎
I like the car key suggestion. It’s one of my must haves in a rucksack.
I have to do something, I am a bugger for loosing them. 😂
I quite agree with your deliberations on this jacket Jim Bob….I am ex 95 pattern military and have a new pattern jacket both the same as yours and a waterproof longer version. The w/ p one I have been out in storms and it is brilliant!
Still like this one but don't use it much, I have too many jackets in the collection. 😁
@@frogmaster83 I am the Imelda Marcos of jackets my wife says 😂! Great video as usual! 🍻
Just bought one of these today, cheapest one I saw was from an out of town Army surplus dealer on ebay, they were selling Grade 1's, for £28, with free delivery and free returns if needed, (nice touch that) but I wasn't quite sure what size to order, as I know military gear can be quite a generous fit, so I was thinking I'd need the 180/140, as I'm 6ft tall and measure about 40-41 inches around the chest, then I found an Army surplus dealer near to where I live, (NE UK) so I had a short drive over there and tried on the 180/140, and sure enough I found it to be quite roomy, even though I was wearing a thermal T-shirt and a thick fleece jacket underneath, so I ended buying a 180/96, (NATO Size 7080/9095) and it feels just fine while wearing the same gear underneath it, although it does restrict arm movement, but only very slightly. The only problem I might have is that I want to use this as a three season jacket, and when the weather gets really cold, I'll probably want to add more layers which is going to restrict arm movement even more, but it'll be perfect to wear in the Spring and Autumn months, and I like how it goes to half way (ish) past my thighs covering my backside But I did pay more for this one, it was £45, but it is a Grade 1, and the Smock 2 version and in great condition, but I suppose it's always best to support a local trader where you can. But overall I'm really pleased with this jacket, I'll be wearing it next time I go up into my local hills and moors along with my Army surplus Grade 1 Alberg Defender boots lol
Sounds like we are about the same size. Mine is a 180/104. In the winter I use one of those light down jackets the walkers use under mine. Makes a great liner and not too bulky. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
I bought one today,from our local army surplus place.Strikeforce UK,here in Somerset.
Brand new,still in the packet.I got it for a touch under £40.00.
Bought the new pcs jacket for wearing underneath too. Great combination for the north winds we’re getting at the moment down here.It still dosnt beat my 1977 German Parka though. It’s falling to pieces,but like your old DPM smock,I won’t get rid of it. I’ve had it since 1985!
All the best.
Handy jacket, I use a down type jacket under it when its cold.
JB, I have the old windproof smock from the 80's made of garbardine. I don't wear mine in the rain if I can help it.
Maybe a little drizzle but from time to time I soak it in NikWax to help with the water resistance.
I'm quite happy with the old DPM style, I even had military woollen socks stitched onto the cuffs.
Enjoy your new smock👍 atb Taff 🤠
My old one has been done with NikWax and its quite good. Be interesting to see how the new one is in the rain.
These smocks come with a DWR finish to them. They need reproofing regularly if you want to keep it water resistant. The Mesh version you have has had two upgrades with the mesh now gone.
Good job too, the mesh is a pain. Still happy with it for the price though.
well done sir, i just got an old one but unissued, new in bag in desert DPM from Varusteleka to augment my old classic one from a surplus store outside DC. ive been debating the new one so your video is well recieved. i agree, velcro is very noisy, and catches on things, and is bad in snow. i like the concept of ventilation but loathe mesh pockets, as they catch everything, and then rip. the pit zips are a big plus though, and the nyco 50/50 is used as i understand it because its good in fire, at least as a economy solution, with IED;s and VBIED's making burns a greater threat over in the desert unpleasantness. Apparently the combustion of the cotton stops the nylon drip and the drip extingueshes the cotton, an anti-symbiosis balance of sorts according to what ive read. Well done review, cheers from the States!
Thanks for the info John. Now I have had it a few months, I like it apart from the velcro. It works ok but often when I am putting it on the velcro sticks to the mesh inner. Its only a small niggle but I can live with it. Regards JB (UK south coast) 👍
Looks good mate, lol, I always think that when I hear people coming too 😂
Thanks for sharing mate
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Thanks for watching Ash. 👍
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Love mine, haven't worn it in a while though...they do get very waterlogged with heavy rain though 😫
Yes, never meant to be waterproof. My old one I treated with some spray on stuff for tents. Its quite good now. 👍
Update, its shower proof at least. You will see in my video that is out Wednesday. 👍
I love my 90s smock. The cotton is so comfortable, the pockets are roomy and useful.
I have the new smock too. The sizing is more generous, almost to baggy. I think the new camo pattern is extremely effective across a broader range of environments and works really well down under where the greens are far more muted than northern European woodland.
It definitely needs breaking in. May try water proofing it.
The German flecktarn raincoat has not stood up to heavy rain.
Seams are stuffed.
I agree. My new one is much softer now its had a fair bit of use. Still not as nice as my 94 one though.
@@frogmaster83
Me too, it may not be as water resistant but it's just so comfortable to wear.
That said I have been wearing the new MTP smock and it handles heavy rain amazingly well. Its been treated with some kind of water repellent because the rain beeds up and mostly just drops off. That was its first real test and I have to say it stood up bloody well. The baggy fit tends to stop rain wetting your legs as much too.
It will hopefully wear in and feel a bit better X You are like a Coiled Spring, alert and ready to pounce, as it should be X
Time will tell. As for the coiled spring, not wound as tight as I was when I was younger, 😂
Haven't pull the trigger yet, it's mostly availability in my size 180×112 , have the smock 95 DPM & Desert .
Great jacket, apart from the Velcro gets caught on the mesh liner.
Nice honest review, got to admit though I prefer my DPM jackets, the mtp camo looks like a painter and decorator's overalls.
I have an mtp shirt & the amount of velcro does me in, I even unstitched the whole velcro/blanking patches on the sleeves, leaving just the little pockets on, as they caught on everything.
All the best & thanks 👍
Thanks for watching. Its ok and is a bit softer now its broken in. Still prefer my 94 DPM one though. 👍
Good video. I've got one of these now - found it a few months ago on dartmoor. Near new condition/genuine issue (in my size), along with a few items in the pockets! Mine differs - the zipped chest pockets are not mesh lined. The arm pockets have velcro along the edge. ATB
Luck find there mate, well done. 👍
6:05 I've never noticed the little loops, I'm going to check it out now 😊
Hi Bob thanks for sharing I still prefer the old Smock, but I do have the new NATO smock I need to try out soon. Ady
I love my old 94 pattern one, great jacket but I needed the MTP camo for my volunteer position in the local Marine Corps.
Yo buddy , my jacket as come cheers for the link ... .. Sammy likes mine ,so ordered her one as well lol .. hers comes wed ... cheers Chris & Sam
Hope you are both happy with them. 👍
Love it mate looks good. I may have to try and find one fir myself if I can
First impressions are good. It will have to be to replace my old one.
Excellent content.
Glad you enjoyed it
I prefer the older dpm ones tbh they seem better made🤷♂️ like you say they are definitely not waterproof I've also had the trousers they just don't make em like they used to they look good though 😂
I still like my old one. I have water proofed my old jacket with some spray on stuff meant for tents, works well. 👍
i laughed at the 4:15 mark, "i dont see why this is necessary when ive already have 6 pockets"
a seperate note, treat it with nikwax to make it fully waterproof, nikwax is a uk company which maintains that its products have no harsh chemicals that harm the environment as well.
Yes I use Nikwax products, they are a company quite local to me. So far this jacket has not needed it though.
Looking good mate👍👍
Thanks Paul. 👍
The old is gold mate
Yes I will never part with my pattern 94. We have been through a lot together. 👍
I wish the under arm zips would be covered as it gets annoying when just wearing a t-shirt.
Yes it has a fed drawbacks that have been fixed on the latest model.
Have DPM,& Desert, 2each, so far like the MTP, but hear 2 versions available, waiting for size and features out there...... somewhere.
Good shillouet breakup w/ brush & season... enjoy.
I am liking it more now its breaking in a bit. Velcro still winds me up though. It keeps getting stuck to the mesh lining. Apart from that its good.
Chest 44? Not big enough, darn! I need 48.
You can get bigger ones. 😁
Good but if kit you will get lots of use out of it I’m sure 👍
Lets hope so. 😁
Not too sure as to whether or not I like the new one mate if im honest...the arm pockets ?? Not needed ...some other good new features ...but I guess time will tell if its as good as the previous model
Thanks for watching Justin. I was the same as you when I first saw it. Now I have used it a couple of times, its growing on me. I like most of the new things apart from the sleeve pockets. Pointless when you already have 6 big ones. Regards JB.
@@frogmaster83 exactly my friend..guess its wearing it frequently and finding out all its pros and cons that determine how good its going to be...6 pockets is more than enough
arm pockets are for smart cards, kill cards, also can hold TQs and combat gauze. very useful if doing military things as it was designed for, as you would be wearing body armor over this garment and wouldnt have access to the pockets on the torso.
@@mh3225 Makes sense, thanks for that.
Great video. Please can you advise the full name/model number and possible source of supply
Smock Combat Windproof MTP NATO stock number 8415-99-317-8391. I got mine off Ebay brand new. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-BRITISH-ARMY-MTP-WINDPROOF-HOODED-SMOCKS-VARIOUS-SIZES-BRAND-NEW/264915911286?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&var=564763906996&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
Thanks for your prompt reply to my comment - wishing you every success with your RUclips channel
@@trevlon24 Thankyou and thanks for watching. Regards JB. 👍
I like this jacket Jim .. found it on eBay for £39 grade 1 .. what do you reckon buddy .. cheers Chris & Sam
Its a good jacket. I got mine new for that money though. Let me find you the link. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-BRITISH-ARMY-MTP-WINDPROOF-HOODED-SMOCKS-VARIOUS-SIZES-BRAND-NEW/264915911286?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
@@frogmaster83 cheers Jim .. just ordered it .. I’m buzzing .. all the best cheers Chris & Sam
I want one now lol 👍
They are good mate. Now I have had mine a few months it has softened up a bit. The pockets are massive and I love how the rolled up hood keeps the wind of your neck like a scarf.
@@frogmaster83 Just got a brand new one on order 😁👍
The polycotton, Velcro and stick out collar are a bummer. Don’t like the pattern either.
Its better now its worn in a bit. Big collar due to the rolled up hood. Pattern works fine in most places, Velcro is a down point though.
Hi Bob! Where can we get this?
I picked up mine on Ebay. Cheapest I could find at the time. ruclips.net/user/redirect?event=comments&redir_token=QUFFLUhqbUdxejhnUXQ1S2xpMnVWQkw0Q3p2UktUUmJ1Z3xBQ3Jtc0tsc0FJcWRFZExXenQwN01rV3ZvUEJDQTRxT2lva3cyZy0xN0tpVngyUWg1bWpuLWUzNzI2Wm1YdU40ZHBCRWtqdnF4N2Z4TzdHTW15NnpXTTk2a3AtU0hwcjdOYmV1N25ydDJ4MjdROGZmSl9KbVpjVQ&q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fitm%2FGENUINE-BRITISH-ARMY-MTP-WINDPROOF-HOODED-SMOCKS-VARIOUS-SIZES-BRAND-NEW%2F264915911286%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%253AMEBIDX%253AIT%26_trksid%3Dp2060353.m2749.l2649&stzid=UgwMYmC5oZO_RrG7z6R4AaABAg.9JdA8FenDql9JdAkiQrCYz
@@frogmaster83 thank you
@@poohtanginamoo2434 Happy to help. 👍
Hi JB ,
What is the nato size ? Thank you 👍
Mine is a 190/104. I should be a 180 really, but I like the smock a little long to keep my bum dry in the rain. 😁
@@frogmaster83 Thank you Sir 👍
@@londoncrew8860 here to help. 😎
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Gortex or similar ??no
Mixture of fibres. Not completely waterproof, but will stand a heavy shower.
no, not like gortex. its a blended shell. this is much more efficient the the US gortex park type jacket. gortex is inefficient above 40F.
Made in China a well
Very true. 👍
@@frogmaster83 Is MkI British made?
@@slavensmolcic not sure, I will check mine when I get in. 👍
@@frogmaster83 Don't be worried!Even Iphones and top Samsungs are made in China. 😉😁 Thank you!
@@slavensmolcic Just checked my old one from 1994. No labels but I believe all the jackets from this period were UK made. 😁
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