@@confusedsiren56 the overall main reason why ITX builds are more expensive, is simply just an issue of supply and demand, the supply of ITX parts is far lower than normal sized parts so they are, therefore, more expensive
they also tend to take a longer design process, to make everything work properly in the ITX form factor, longer design + production = higher total cost
Definitely a skill issue but not in the gloating way. The barrier to entry skill level required for ITX building is much higher then any other pc build. The whole process starts on the drawing board you have to know the exact dimensions inside out every component, case, fan, motherboard etc... The standards on ITX level breaks more than any other form factor. Something that suppose to be compatible in ITX not necessary will be compatible in that practical case. It's necessary to order or create costume length cables if you do not want headache more then you bargained for. You have to understand that you need to know the case airflow channels and behavior so you can chose air cooling or water cooling for an optimal performance. Every decision have more weight and can brake or make the build. I liked the video, it perfectly represented the pain in every step, I assume it was genuine. :)
@@confusedsiren56Parts are smaller and more complex, because everything is smaller it most of the time needs to be better quality thus increasing the price. Edit, I saw about the more fans, I have 5 fans in my NR200P right now...
@@hydrosmusicless motherboard easier to make (as long as it’s a standard size) and since matx is a lot more common than itx, there’s no “niche” tax applied.
Literally the first pc I ever built was a mini ITX and it worked no problem. Just got myself the Cooler Master NR200 and it fits normal coolers and large GPUs. As long as you don't go overboard it's actually pretty easy. It only gets difficult when you want to build in a really small ITX case.
I love watching the struggle lol! After years of building ITX computers I’ll never go back. The research and stuff is most of the fun. Figuring out how to put the most amount of power in the smallest package.
Don't know how long ago you filmed this, but the Asrock B650I Lightning is a more affordable motherboard option (it also doesn't have the daughterboard stuff to deal with). Most people use 240mm/280mm AIOs in the Q58. Lian Li says the air cooler clearance is 67mm, but evidently that may not be true depending on the motherboard. Id-cooling IS-55 or Thermalright AXP90-X53 would've been the best options for air cooling. There's a reason why it's better to use SFX or SFX-L PSUs in these cases: they have shorter cables so the cable management is less of a headache. I imagine you could've saved hours of frustration with the Corsair SF750.
Ye, ik after this. I didn’t think the adaptors would be that bad, but they’re terrible. I link some alternatives in the description :) The sheer amount of “features” on the gigabyte board was why we went with it
I recently finished an ITX build, chose a Lian Li TU150X due to it having a nice top-handle as it’s primarily for travel use. Came out fantastic. I didn’t press hard for fancy CPU cooling just used an AMD Wraith, and for the GPU I just barely managed to squeeze in the XFX Merc 6750XT I had sitting around. XFX makes their cards long and this one just barely cleared, literally maybe a millimeter or two to spare. Ultimately I love how it came out, but it’s niche use.
Or you could get an H1 or an NR200P Max and have the cooling built in already and the rest is popping it in and tool-less. It’s really not that hard. Thoughtful on the parts, yes. But who builds a house without first counting the cost?
Two words. NR200P MAX 😂 I love SSFs because my space is limited and it allows me to use speakers. Was fun seeing you going through the process of figuring this all out. It's definitely more work than any mATX / ATX build, but it's also way more satisfying imo.
NR 200P Max is less work than almost any build since it has preinstalled PSU, AIO and cable management for them done. This is the case I'd recommend to most people who want to have hassle-free entry SFF build.
I get way more satisfaction with an itx build. I am sitting on a ton of cases in the quest to go smaller and smaller. The best all around case in my opinion is the meshlicious / meshroom. You have a ton of options with either one. The only thing you have to remember is that you will have to compromise at some point with most itx builds. If you are a real masochist, try a water cooled build.
As somebody who started out building my own rig in small-form factor (sff) cases, I'd say it's worth the challenge and even helps you figure out how to also keep things within reason, regardless of the budget. It's especially cool to have rigs that either looks like a game console (my first case did such, being the Fractal Node 202) or is a small tower that looks to be made entirely of mesh (my current case, SSUPD Meshilicious), which you can easily move around and place it where you need it with little space taken up.
MATX is usually the sweet spot when I build PC for others because most users do not utilize all the slots on a ATX anyways. Personally I build ITX for myself because I like the entire process of researching and customizing the build. It’s the next level PC building. P.S. most ITX cases are put together with screws. You can unscrew various parts of the case to install the parts.
I went with a full tower high end all white build in the phanteks nv7 with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram. The pc is a beast and looks good.
I often travel and I am constantly bringing my pc, so for me sff is worth it. An extra $50 for sfx psu, extra $50 for the itx motherboard, extra $100 for the premium case. Less than 10% extra cost for the convenience is not a lot. The ONLY headache I ran into with the build was a faulty riser not running at max speed which I had to rma.
@@haydenlee8332 But that is what laptops are literally for. And in the end that little thing is heavy and boxy, It means sometimes you might not even be able to take it with you on the plane unlike a laptop suitcase. A laptop is still much easier for travelling.
One mini itx case I really wish I bought was one that was made to look like a guitar amp. Some of them get really creative. That's why I like some of the mini itx stuff.
ITX is expensive only if you buy those expensive parts. The NZXT H1 for example is frequently at $200 with a 140mm AIO and 750W PSU and the case obviously. All the wiring and routing for the PSU and AIO is setup to begin with. Its significantly easier than a full size.
I literally built on SSUPD MESHLICIOUS a few days ago in 2 hours. It's one of the smallest SFX that can fit a full-size gpu and 280m/240m aio in 14-15 liters. 1st built it with stock amd cooler . Because my aio not arrived in time . I mistakenly bought an aio that has his pump in tubes. On the next day, it takes me 3 hours to put that damn aio. But it's a pretty fun experience because it's my 2nd custom pc build.
I think this video made me realized how much of an accomplishment it was for me to record and build an mini-itx as my first PC, and then later added a custom water loop. Or maybe it's a rare circumstance where someone struggles in building an mini-itx PC.
I fully agree with you. My previous build was Mini ITX. It was expensive. It was really hard to build. It was not quiet despite running Noctua NH-D15 and a quiet GPU, because it would keep spinning those fans to keep it cool. And when I realized how much desk footprint it took I was like.. I should have gone with ATX. After some years of use it turned out to be not easily upgradeable because of various compatibility issues, so I got rid of it. Now running a gaming laptop (Legion 7 Slim RTX-4060) which can be used vertically to actually save desk space. But if I build a PC again, it will be ATX.
I literally built on a Formd T1 a few days ago, it's one of the smallest SFX that can fit a full size GPU. I literally could not fit anything else on my shelf (Especially with ventilation). Not all the way through the video yet, But yes, valid points on compatibility and price, unfortunately that is indeed a price to pay. Edit: Finished the video, a great one none the less.
@@JahonCrosshonestly he really ruined the experience for himself with the case, not checking compatibility and choosing a non sfx psu although it’s really not worth building stx money wise when that extra 200+ you spent just to get sfx parts could’ve been spent on better components
ITX is useful if you want a PC that you can transport easily. When I moved out for university I built an ITX PC so I could take it with me when I visited my parets on weekends. It's cheaper and more powerful than a laptop and still fits in a backpack. But yeah they're a pain to buid. I spent like 12h building and troubleshooting mine until I found out that one ram stick was broken and prevented the PC from booting.
Once you get the drill of building a Mini-ITX computer, it usually goes without problems. I have been using Mini-ITX cases for the last 6-7 years and I did build me a new computer back in February this year. I bought the 'ASUS ROG Strix B650E-I Gaming WIFI' motherboard, 'ASUS GeForce RTX3060Ti TUF OC V2' GPU', 'Noctua NH-L9x65' CPU cooler and the 'Phanteks Evolv Shift XT DRGB' Mini-ITX case + some other not important things for the size of the case. Everything fits perfectly in the case and the time it took to put the components in the case went pretty fast. Yes, the cable management is the thing that takes the most time to get properly done in a Mini-ITX case, but if you aren't in a hurry, it will be pretty good in the end, like it did for me. And the Mini-ITX motherboards and Mini-ITX cases can be a bit expensive. So, the cable management and the prices on those Mini-ITX components are the only downsides for me when it comes to Mini-ITX builds. But I do agree that building a Mini-ITX computer isn't something most peoples are doing. It's more of the advanced users who build that. But it's good for us who want such a challenge though 🙂. I'm soon going to buy me a 240mm AIO for the CPU.
the thing that always be the main concern of ITX builder was the GPU Size, i mean Come on! Asrock already gives ITX Builder a very good option with ITX kit like Deskmeet X300 or B660. but most GPU Card wont fit there! its a very stressing how vendor keeps giving RTX 4060 a large Dual or even Triple Fan cooler when Single Fan cooler is just fine!
To be fair I have an NR200P and it looks way easier then the case you picked, you also made it harder by buying an ATX powersupply. I bought one with 650 watts Platinum for 100 euro's 3 years back.
Just built an ITX box because I needed it to fit on a small shelf in my living room. Used the Cooler Master NR200P and same motherboard and processor as you and I used the ID-Cooling IS-55 CPU cooler and the G.Skill Flare DDR5-6000 CL30 (2x16GB) RAM and everything just worked but I have two observations based on your video. If you are going to do it, do not try to do it all in one day. Build it slow so you have time to think about how you are going to solve problems as you go and do not rush anything. Second, the exhaust fans are absolutely needed to pull air out of the case because the SFF cases are so tightly packed that small pockets in the case can hold heat and be a major pain. My case temps dropped about 6 degrees by just adding two exhaust fans on the top.
i went right down the middle and got a compact ATX which, was also annoying because my XTX barely had the length clearance but aside from the GPU length, everything else about it wasn't bad. I managed to fit 6 fans like a full size ATX, but in a lot smaller footprint. Fractel Torrent Compact if anyone is wondering. Also the fans don't get super loud and this is with me running a deepcool ak620 on a R9 7900X - it stays in the mid 70s. GPU temp also doesn't go above 82 on the max hotspot, but thats also because of the quad size GPU (Aorus 7900 XTX). I think for most people, compact ATX might also be something to seriously consider if they don't want something super big.
So, it's a pain in the ass, worse thermals, requires all this specialty shit that makes it more expensive and the benefit is... What exactly... how much smaller is the footprint of this than a regular mid-tower...
Honestly, the best advertisement for just building your own case. In this case the cheaper options are out the window and nothing seems to be designed right for any tolerances.
Wow. I did not expect the bill to be this hard! Thank you for the video. I wonder if you would’ve used a manual or a video to guide you if this would’ve looked completely different.
No one even mentioned the front panel audio connection that you need to remove the m.2 heat sink to get to. Or did you give up by then and just didn't bother connecting the front panel audio?
I still much prefer ITX builds as I limit my power a lot without losing much performance. For example you dont need to game at 250W on an intel chip, just limit the raptor lake chip at 65W and you still get crazy performance Just a suggestion :)
First builds I made were ATX (PII and 3x AMD) and there were several, then I did a ITX (i7) build. It worked though I had to use a water cooler. My son is still using it. Wanted something smaller than ATX so I went with a mATX board. Worked well.
allot to be said for A320, A520, and A620 and some the tiny cases you can use with them while still having room for intake fans, War Rparrow actually has a case thats smaller than this that hold a standard ATX PSU and a RTX 4070 and 2 intake fan , main issue is the exhaust fan mounts are smaller than 92 mm (i actually drilled new holes for that) and using mini ITX single fans GPUs in a case this makes them either loud or hot . Best to find dual fan GPU thats less than 9 inches long . You can actually use a normal M motherboard with this case but you need some thin line intake fans for 24 pin clearance , 14x 10.5x 6.5 inch 33$ case .
dude suffered on this build XD Really interesting stuff, nice ITX build! Kinda surprising to use a Wraith Stealth on a 7800X3D but if you undervolt it you'd probably get good thermals and noise. You even squeezed in the 3080 10GB, I was convinced on mini ITX you'd need to go single slot, maybe an A1000 or something but no I guess. And yea, I'm never building mini ITX - not unless it's an APU build with no graphics card, maybe a Batocera box for emulation and indies only. ATX is fine for normies :) They look so damn cool those builds tho... Congrats on the Deepcool sponsorship Vex, getting noticed by manufacturers now! Keep it up, keep cookin :)
i thought about building an ITX system for my mother as more of a general use/work station, nothing too powerful but now i change my mind, i have enough issues building my own PC in a large case
If I gonna build an ITX pc again I do it the same way as 2015: ITX board and an AMD APU in a case not much bigger than the board using a laptop PSU. In 2015 it was an A4-5000 mobile CPU soldered on an Asrock board 48W max power consumption in a 1.8l case and I´ve played FarCry 3 and Battlefield IV on it, 720p 30fps; for a pc quite smaler than a PS3 slim it was totally fine. Also didn´t cost premium back than, the board with APU and a heatsink on was 60€, case 30€, laptop PSU 30€, RAM+ storage and that thing cost me 180€ total in 2015.
Oh the irony. I bought a Deepcool fan hub splitter, and it overloaded the fan header on mobo. It was a 6 way hub, but replaced a case included 4 way that worked fine, with only 4/6 fan's populated at time of build on Deepcool unit. Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master, toasted, luckily I got a replacement board, but I blame Deepcool for lousy hubs.
i dont think itx builds are for everyone they require a lot of research. itx size is so varied for cases, and a lot of times the case you choose for an itx build kind of picks the parts you can and cant use for a build. get a phanteks a200, cool, you can basically go ham. get a SSUPD and then you are limited on what you can cram into the space. sometimes it will get so tight it will even limit you on what kind of cooling you can do. also it is important to note building ITX does not mean you need an sfx power supply. you just need to plan around it and find an itx case that supports an atx PSU like the phanteks a200 or the jonsbo VR3.
Man ITX is so stupid, this video was hilarious. I see portability thrown around as if these guys don't keep their computer in the same space like 95 percent of the time around their monitors. Get a labtop if you want portability, and you even get a screen too.
I really love my itx build mainly because I'm about to graduate and having to dorm my first year of college there is not much room for a gigantasaurus build.
Tu peux pas imaginer à quel point on est content une fois le travail terminé. J'ai réalisé le même build que OptimumTech, celui avec le NZXT H1, mais avec une RTX 3080 plus grande que la RTX 2070 qu'il a utilisé. Le tout en Full Custum Loop, et j'ai ajouté en extension un radiateur 360mm en externe avec des Quick-Release Alphacool pour plus de performance en refroidissement. C'était parfait comme résultat final, et un challenge extrême pour moi. L'idée que j'avais en tête c'est que je puisse voyager en avion avec mon setup en entier le jour où je vais immigrer depuis le Maroc au Canada. Chose que j'ai pu réaliser il y'a deux mois. Et j'ai ramené mon boitier NZXT H1 avec moi dans une valise cabine. Je pourrais partager les photos avec vous si vous voulez. Tout ça pour dire que le choix du SFF pour un enthousiaste n'est pas facile au début, mais on le fait pour montrer à quel point on est fort en montage de PC custom, et des fois il se peut que ça soit un choix réfléchi si on tient à notre matos et on veut le ramener là oú on va partout dans le monde.
Out of the new mini ITX AM5 motherboards, I would avoid any board that has the separate dota board. I had an Asus X670E-I, sold it and got the Asus B650e-i, I'm glad I did. The new ASRock B650-i PG Lightening ITX board would be my second choice.
Been building itx systems for awhile now and I absolutely agree with some of these issues. Cable management is a bitch unless you wanna spend $100+ on custom cables or wanna try to understand how to trim your own PSU cables. ITX Motherboards with dotterboards are the worst. I like to carry my itx builds with me and those dotterboards WILL fall out. I've tried to tape them down in the past but they'll still come out of its slot. So if you have a dotterboard with the power button on it, have fun opening up your system whenever you travel. Small ITX cases where you can fit a reasonably sized gpu in it used to cost $200+ so my first itx build was in a shoebox, which costed me NOTHING. If you want to run any cpu that's over 90+ watts, aio is the only option. I've had the Noctua NH-L12S and that wasn't able to keep temps reasonable on my Ryzen 9 3900X. Also yeah, ITX builds are expensive compared to atx systems. But damn. Ima keep building them for the fact of being able to fit my entire high end rig, including a keyboard, mouse, and display, all in my backpack and do all my fancy high end video editing work on the go.
I was originally gonna build my new PC and looked at MiniITX but i didn’t think it was a good idea to do a first build in such a small space. In the end, I ended up buying my PC as the price difference wasnt a huge but if i do build one in future id get a micro atx board. Its still small but it will be a lot easier than trying a Mini ITX and cheaper. I do love the small farm factor though
When I was in the Marines, I built an ITX rig to game on. I lived in the barracks so things had to be small and tidy. A ginormous pc tower would have stuck out like a sore thumb and would likely have gotten mentions from my seniors. I went ITX. Found reasons to like ITX and reasons to hate ITX. The price wasn't really the issue. The random cuts on my hands, the sh*t ability to cable manage in such a crampt space, and the limited options were my biggest frustrations. I have since built an HTPC in its own version of a crapt case. That was much easier to work with though. Next project, NAS, so technically I'm not done with ITX. lol
My experience was that Mini ITX was hardly any space saving on my desk. I've found a gaming laptop used horizontally to be much better space saving. If I need a desktop PC again I'll likely go ATX put it on the floor below my desk.
Exactly happens to me when i build a itx pc,its the most tedious thing ever,i wouldn't want to build it again.If anything wrong with the machine i have to take it apart,it is a nightmare.
Was the NR200 not available? That Lian Li case I built in before and was a hotbox. I don't even hate standard size builds yet this vid looks like it'll scare builders out of trying out different niches just outta consideration. You literally could've chosen a better cooler if not case for the entire build not to mention the entirety of Zen4 runs hotter than an intel equivalent at similar power limits (also if you wanted you could run a recent i7 or even i9 at 125w and still run cooler with similar performance to Ryzen counterparts). The flashy mobo and RAM deffo don't help with the budget and literally have much cheaper alternatives for roughly the same performance/features. For the PSU you could just SF750 and smooth sailing from there with noise levels especially pushing well over 750w under full load Anyone genuinely here for PC build advice should focus on why not to get SFF with probably only 2 points this video even hit home vs. why they should get a larger case. There's very little discretion and more bullshit with the only legit complainy from anyone who knows what they're doing being the stupid daughterboard on the Gigabyte mobo. With that said, I guess this channel is for entertainment and copium more than actual info.
Your definitely right about the price of itx. I have the meshlicious case and the foot print is tiny. Works well for my desk setup. But you are right, most should go for matx or atx builds.
With an ITX, let say I need to update the bios, using USB. Now, to power the ITX, does it have to be ONLY a sfx power supply ? or can I just use any regular size PSU?
I have been building my own and family rigs basically in mATX for 15 years. 2 of them ITX, none full ATX. After those 2 ITX in particular I do believe mATX is the best. More so since GPUs are so big these days (300+mm, 3.5 slots, stiff cable) and you can't save much space with ITX board anyway. So why struggle with limited m.2 and fan connectors, cooler compatibility for higher price?
SFF builds definitely take some compromising, but if you need them they're a blessing. I'm running a 5600 and 3060 Ti in a 5.5L case and can just throw it in a duffel bag with my clothes when I travel. Unfortunately, because GPU manufacturers are determined to make every shroud *massive* this gen only real upgrade I could make is to a 4060 Ti despite the 4070 having a similar power draw to my current card. Hopefully next gen will finally give me an upgrade path
Best small form factor case (at least for me) is SAMA IM01. Small but not too small and I can use matx board and atx PSU. Easy way to go small without breaking the bank.
Oh man, I almost convinced myself NOT to build a µATX "Steam machine" for my living room. But with all the struggles you had, the sting is rising again... Am I a PC masochist? Possibly yes. I hink that this is a nice riddle to build a µATX system, looking nice in the living room, powerful enough, not fully breaking the bank...
I did one back in 2018 with a small box type case by Thermal Take . Easy route was taking pictures of the case and stripping everything off and building into the case starting with the mother board 1st . But that one I used a single fan cpu Aio cooler by Corsair and also a single fan And the video card was a RTX2080 single fan Aio cooler . Was a challenge but dam temps on it were very low .
I started with a 10400F and RTX 2060 in a Phanteks Evolv Shift and finished with 11700K and 6950XT Nitro+ in Evolv Shift 2 :D It's a pain in the ass. Started with Liquid Freezer 120 which died in like 1 year, so i decided to switch to a Big Shuriken 3. Then i decided i'd like something more powerful and found a Cryorig C1. Now I'm struggling to find the LGA1700 bracket in order to upgrade and don't have much of a choice since not very many 140 mm low profile coolers on the market :/ Luckily at least i have an AM4 (AM5 compatible) one in case i'd switch the side to AMD
already assembled 2 mini itx , 3.6l and 13,5l (those with aio and screen) and notice the most smallest with 1u power supply was lot more easy than those cases with sfx, but yes every case have the step for assembly and not wrote on the manual, must try and fail until find the correct order, is a pity but the best ones for travel, yes know laptops are more easy and compact but cant upgrade in future, those atx are so in terms of price still cheaper
ITX can be difficult to work in, for sure i went with a fractal design torrent nano. it was pretty big for an ITX case, but it was still challenging to work with. i don't think i compromised much though because the case has good airflow
Totally agree and disagree. Going ITX was the best decision I ever made in terms of PC building. Yes, you need to do a lot of prep and planning, but it is so rewarding.
Skill issue?
Links to everything in the description if you’re interested!
@vextakes why is it so expensive to build a small form factor itx pc
@@confusedsiren56 the overall main reason why ITX builds are more expensive, is simply just an issue of supply and demand, the supply of ITX parts is far lower than normal sized parts so they are, therefore, more expensive
they also tend to take a longer design process, to make everything work properly in the ITX form factor, longer design + production = higher total cost
Definitely a skill issue but not in the gloating way. The barrier to entry skill level required for ITX building is much higher then any other pc build. The whole process starts on the drawing board you have to know the exact dimensions inside out every component, case, fan, motherboard etc... The standards on ITX level breaks more than any other form factor. Something that suppose to be compatible in ITX not necessary will be compatible in that practical case. It's necessary to order or create costume length cables if you do not want headache more then you bargained for. You have to understand that you need to know the case airflow channels and behavior so you can chose air cooling or water cooling for an optimal performance. Every decision have more weight and can brake or make the build. I liked the video, it perfectly represented the pain in every step, I assume it was genuine. :)
@@confusedsiren56Parts are smaller and more complex, because everything is smaller it most of the time needs to be better quality thus increasing the price. Edit, I saw about the more fans, I have 5 fans in my NR200P right now...
I am so thankful they chose possibly the most finnicky components and case possible for this kind of build, it really made the video entertaining.
It is Stefan Etienne Approved. ✅
I agree, you can get really small matx cases without breaking the bank
Agreed, compact mATX or MFF is my favorite. Did a pretty good AM5 build for $810 with the 7500F & 6700XT
yes, check out sama im01 cases, full size matx in 21 liter volume without breaking the bank.
Strangely enough, a lot of budget b450 motherboards are m-atx
@@hydrosmusicless motherboard easier to make (as long as it’s a standard size) and since matx is a lot more common than itx, there’s no “niche” tax applied.
Just like montech sky one mini or even Qube 500 ATX
Literally the first pc I ever built was a mini ITX and it worked no problem. Just got myself the Cooler Master NR200 and it fits normal coolers and large GPUs. As long as you don't go overboard it's actually pretty easy. It only gets difficult when you want to build in a really small ITX case.
SFX PSUs aren't really more expensive nowadays
I love watching the struggle lol! After years of building ITX computers I’ll never go back. The research and stuff is most of the fun. Figuring out how to put the most amount of power in the smallest package.
Don't know how long ago you filmed this, but the Asrock B650I Lightning is a more affordable motherboard option (it also doesn't have the daughterboard stuff to deal with).
Most people use 240mm/280mm AIOs in the Q58. Lian Li says the air cooler clearance is 67mm, but evidently that may not be true depending on the motherboard. Id-cooling IS-55 or Thermalright AXP90-X53 would've been the best options for air cooling.
There's a reason why it's better to use SFX or SFX-L PSUs in these cases: they have shorter cables so the cable management is less of a headache. I imagine you could've saved hours of frustration with the Corsair SF750.
Ye, ik after this. I didn’t think the adaptors would be that bad, but they’re terrible. I link some alternatives in the description :)
The sheer amount of “features” on the gigabyte board was why we went with it
I recently finished an ITX build, chose a Lian Li TU150X due to it having a nice top-handle as it’s primarily for travel use. Came out fantastic. I didn’t press hard for fancy CPU cooling just used an AMD Wraith, and for the GPU I just barely managed to squeeze in the XFX Merc 6750XT I had sitting around. XFX makes their cards long and this one just barely cleared, literally maybe a millimeter or two to spare. Ultimately I love how it came out, but it’s niche use.
You and your friend did great and showed me exactly why I shouldn't ever wanna go this low profile.
Or you could get an H1 or an NR200P Max and have the cooling built in already and the rest is popping it in and tool-less.
It’s really not that hard. Thoughtful on the parts, yes. But who builds a house without first counting the cost?
@@imAgentRor just do research and follow a guide. Ain’t no way they spent months researching and this is how it went
@@zayyy8100 true 😂
this isnt even that low profile 😭😭😭 he just made it hard for himself
His rtxrded lmao i built my first pcbin a 8.4 liter case
Two words. NR200P MAX 😂 I love SSFs because my space is limited and it allows me to use speakers. Was fun seeing you going through the process of figuring this all out. It's definitely more work than any mATX / ATX build, but it's also way more satisfying imo.
NR 200P Max is less work than almost any build since it has preinstalled PSU, AIO and cable management for them done.
This is the case I'd recommend to most people who want to have hassle-free entry SFF build.
I get way more satisfaction with an itx build. I am sitting on a ton of cases in the quest to go smaller and smaller. The best all around case in my opinion is the meshlicious / meshroom. You have a ton of options with either one. The only thing you have to remember is that you will have to compromise at some point with most itx builds. If you are a real masochist, try a water cooled build.
I've always wondered who those relatively massive cases fitted for ITX motherboards were for.
Now I know.
As somebody who started out building my own rig in small-form factor (sff) cases, I'd say it's worth the challenge and even helps you figure out how to also keep things within reason, regardless of the budget. It's especially cool to have rigs that either looks like a game console (my first case did such, being the Fractal Node 202) or is a small tower that looks to be made entirely of mesh (my current case, SSUPD Meshilicious), which you can easily move around and place it where you need it with little space taken up.
I have to say. I miss these kind of build vlogs. Reminds me of OG jaystwocents or Linus. Vex, you’re doing it right. Keep going
Building in an ITX case is like solving a puzzle. Once it's done, its a very satisfying hit of dopamine.
MATX is usually the sweet spot when I build PC for others because most users do not utilize all the slots on a ATX anyways.
Personally I build ITX for myself because I like the entire process of researching and customizing the build. It’s the next level PC building.
P.S. most ITX cases are put together with screws. You can unscrew various parts of the case to install the parts.
I went with a full tower high end all white build in the phanteks nv7 with the gigabyte aero oc 4090/ 7800x3d/ 64 gigs of ddr5 ram. The pc is a beast and looks good.
I often travel and I am constantly bringing my pc, so for me sff is worth it. An extra $50 for sfx psu, extra $50 for the itx motherboard, extra $100 for the premium case. Less than 10% extra cost for the convenience is not a lot.
The ONLY headache I ran into with the build was a faulty riser not running at max speed which I had to rma.
this! ITX/SFF is worth it when you have to travel and move quite frequently, but you aren’t a fan of laptops
@@haydenlee8332 But that is what laptops are literally for. And in the end that little thing is heavy and boxy, It means sometimes you might not even be able to take it with you on the plane unlike a laptop suitcase. A laptop is still much easier for travelling.
@@SIPEROTHgl getting a laptop that can run cyberpunk 1440p rtx on 🤦♂️
One mini itx case I really wish I bought was one that was made to look like a guitar amp. Some of them get really creative. That's why I like some of the mini itx stuff.
Glad you built and ITX system. I sure as heck won't do it.
ITX is expensive only if you buy those expensive parts. The NZXT H1 for example is frequently at $200 with a 140mm AIO and 750W PSU and the case obviously. All the wiring and routing for the PSU and AIO is setup to begin with. Its significantly easier than a full size.
I literally built on SSUPD MESHLICIOUS a few days ago in 2 hours. It's one of the smallest
SFX that can fit a full-size gpu and 280m/240m aio in 14-15 liters. 1st built it with stock amd cooler . Because my aio not arrived in time .
I mistakenly bought an aio that has his pump in tubes. On the next day, it takes me 3 hours to put that damn aio. But it's a pretty fun experience because it's my 2nd custom pc build.
Dafak why didnt you get the Cooler Master NR200P ?
Its the easiest ITX case to build in.
Facts, a lot of the issues they had wouldn't have been the case with the nr200
he literally said in the vid man how dumb can u be
I think this video made me realized how much of an accomplishment it was for me to record and build an mini-itx as my first PC, and then later added a custom water loop.
Or maybe it's a rare circumstance where someone struggles in building an mini-itx PC.
No his just exaggerating the skill issue he has lmao immo built my own pc in an itx case too 8.4 liters
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Ah, so it's a rare circumstance where someone does struggle.
Was going to build ITX next. But thanks for saving me from that! Great, helpful video!
I fully agree with you. My previous build was Mini ITX. It was expensive. It was really hard to build. It was not quiet despite running Noctua NH-D15 and a quiet GPU, because it would keep spinning those fans to keep it cool. And when I realized how much desk footprint it took I was like.. I should have gone with ATX. After some years of use it turned out to be not easily upgradeable because of various compatibility issues, so I got rid of it. Now running a gaming laptop (Legion 7 Slim RTX-4060) which can be used vertically to actually save desk space. But if I build a PC again, it will be ATX.
I literally built on a Formd T1 a few days ago, it's one of the smallest SFX that can fit a full size GPU. I literally could not fit anything else on my shelf (Especially with ventilation).
Not all the way through the video yet, But yes, valid points on compatibility and price, unfortunately that is indeed a price to pay.
Edit: Finished the video, a great one none the less.
My dream ITX case is the Sentry 2.0 🤤
@@hopperbopper I wish I could afford it.
@@hopperbopper What's your asking price? If you don't mind me asking.
This is the best ad of an ITX build ever
I will never build an itx after watching this 😂
@@JahonCrosshonestly he really ruined the experience for himself with the case, not checking compatibility and choosing a non sfx psu
although it’s really not worth building stx money wise when that extra 200+ you spent just to get sfx parts could’ve been spent on better components
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MATX is the best middle ground IMO
I think what I hate the most out of ITX PCs is when after assembling the system they still place the entire build on the floor
Honestly itx is all about part selection and compatibility. The thing I like about ITX is that you can get it looking really minimalist with zero rgb.
ITX is useful if you want a PC that you can transport easily. When I moved out for university I built an ITX PC so I could take it with me when I visited my parets on weekends. It's cheaper and more powerful than a laptop and still fits in a backpack. But yeah they're a pain to buid. I spent like 12h building and troubleshooting mine until I found out that one ram stick was broken and prevented the PC from booting.
There is too much unused space in ATX format cases. That's why the ITX format, to compact the hardware.
It's not unused space, the airflow provides better cooling as fans work more efficiently.
@@frankytanky5076 I thought it was obvious.
Its literally unused space lmao smaller doesnt mean worse airflow
Once you get the drill of building a Mini-ITX computer, it usually goes without problems. I have been using Mini-ITX cases for the last 6-7 years and I did build me a new computer back in February this year.
I bought the 'ASUS ROG Strix B650E-I Gaming WIFI' motherboard, 'ASUS GeForce RTX3060Ti TUF OC V2' GPU', 'Noctua NH-L9x65' CPU cooler and the 'Phanteks Evolv Shift XT DRGB' Mini-ITX case + some other not important things for the size of the case. Everything fits perfectly in the case and the time it took to put the components in the case went pretty fast.
Yes, the cable management is the thing that takes the most time to get properly done in a Mini-ITX case, but if you aren't in a hurry, it will be pretty good in the end, like it did for me. And the Mini-ITX motherboards and Mini-ITX cases can be a bit expensive. So, the cable management and the prices on those Mini-ITX components are the only downsides for me when it comes to Mini-ITX builds.
But I do agree that building a Mini-ITX computer isn't something most peoples are doing. It's more of the advanced users who build that. But it's good for us who want such a challenge though 🙂.
I'm soon going to buy me a 240mm AIO for the CPU.
the thing that always be the main concern of ITX builder was the GPU Size, i mean Come on! Asrock already gives ITX Builder a very good option with ITX kit like Deskmeet X300 or B660. but most GPU Card wont fit there! its a very stressing how vendor keeps giving RTX 4060 a large Dual or even Triple Fan cooler when Single Fan cooler is just fine!
"Nooooo not the thermal grizzly"
I'm laughing so much LMAO
To be fair I have an NR200P and it looks way easier then the case you picked, you also made it harder by buying an ATX powersupply. I bought one with 650 watts Platinum for 100 euro's 3 years back.
We will make you do custom loop next 👺
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Now i really appreciate my fractal define nano
Just built an ITX box because I needed it to fit on a small shelf in my living room. Used the Cooler Master NR200P and same motherboard and processor as you and I used the ID-Cooling IS-55 CPU cooler and the G.Skill Flare DDR5-6000 CL30 (2x16GB) RAM and everything just worked but I have two observations based on your video. If you are going to do it, do not try to do it all in one day. Build it slow so you have time to think about how you are going to solve problems as you go and do not rush anything. Second, the exhaust fans are absolutely needed to pull air out of the case because the SFF cases are so tightly packed that small pockets in the case can hold heat and be a major pain. My case temps dropped about 6 degrees by just adding two exhaust fans on the top.
i went right down the middle and got a compact ATX which, was also annoying because my XTX barely had the length clearance but aside from the GPU length, everything else about it wasn't bad. I managed to fit 6 fans like a full size ATX, but in a lot smaller footprint. Fractel Torrent Compact if anyone is wondering. Also the fans don't get super loud and this is with me running a deepcool ak620 on a R9 7900X - it stays in the mid 70s. GPU temp also doesn't go above 82 on the max hotspot, but thats also because of the quad size GPU (Aorus 7900 XTX). I think for most people, compact ATX might also be something to seriously consider if they don't want something super big.
So, it's a pain in the ass, worse thermals, requires all this specialty shit that makes it more expensive and the benefit is... What exactly... how much smaller is the footprint of this than a regular mid-tower...
Honestly, the best advertisement for just building your own case. In this case the cheaper options are out the window and nothing seems to be designed right for any tolerances.
Wow. I did not expect the bill to be this hard! Thank you for the video. I wonder if you would’ve used a manual or a video to guide you if this would’ve looked completely different.
This was a funny video but we do gotta acknowledge that you made this like, 3x harder for yourself at every step hahah
I built an itx system and this is exactly what I went through lmao, maybe next build i'll try again and do some more research and better planning
Watching this on my first ITX build 😆.
This was one of your most fun videos to watch! I'd love to see more weird builds on the channel.
One of my favorite cases to build in, did 2 one black all mesh and one white
No one even mentioned the front panel audio connection that you need to remove the m.2 heat sink to get to. Or did you give up by then and just didn't bother connecting the front panel audio?
I still much prefer ITX builds as I limit my power a lot without losing much performance. For example you dont need to game at 250W on an intel chip, just limit the raptor lake chip at 65W and you still get crazy performance
Just a suggestion :)
Love your content bro, its just so much more down to earth than other reviers rn. Keep doing your thing brother 💯
First builds I made were ATX (PII and 3x AMD) and there were several, then I did a ITX (i7) build. It worked though I had to use a water cooler. My son is still using it. Wanted something smaller than ATX so I went with a mATX board. Worked well.
allot to be said for A320, A520, and A620 and some the tiny cases you can use with them while still having room for intake fans, War Rparrow actually has a case thats smaller than this that hold a standard ATX PSU and a RTX 4070 and 2 intake fan , main issue is the exhaust fan mounts are smaller than 92 mm (i actually drilled new holes for that) and using mini ITX single fans GPUs in a case this makes them either loud or hot . Best to find dual fan GPU thats less than 9 inches long . You can actually use a normal M motherboard with this case but you need some thin line intake fans for 24 pin clearance , 14x 10.5x 6.5 inch 33$ case .
Bigger cases allow for better heat disapation.
As a music producer - 3 nvme drives would be a plus … I want to access sound samples as quick as possible during workflow so it makes sense to me
Not only did I build one even smaller than yours I also didn't cry about it the whole process.
dude suffered on this build XD
Really interesting stuff, nice ITX build! Kinda surprising to use a Wraith Stealth on a 7800X3D but if you undervolt it you'd probably get good thermals and noise. You even squeezed in the 3080 10GB, I was convinced on mini ITX you'd need to go single slot, maybe an A1000 or something but no I guess. And yea, I'm never building mini ITX - not unless it's an APU build with no graphics card, maybe a Batocera box for emulation and indies only. ATX is fine for normies :) They look so damn cool those builds tho...
Congrats on the Deepcool sponsorship Vex, getting noticed by manufacturers now! Keep it up, keep cookin :)
i thought about building an ITX system for my mother as more of a general use/work station, nothing too powerful but now i change my mind, i have enough issues building my own PC in a large case
This is probably the one case you should do itx, just throw an apu in a tiny case with an m.2 and there's no need for cables or risers.
If I gonna build an ITX pc again I do it the same way as 2015: ITX board and an AMD APU in a case not much bigger than the board using a laptop PSU. In 2015 it was an A4-5000 mobile CPU soldered on an Asrock board 48W max power consumption in a 1.8l case and I´ve played FarCry 3 and Battlefield IV on it, 720p 30fps; for a pc quite smaler than a PS3 slim it was totally fine. Also didn´t cost premium back than, the board with APU and a heatsink on was 60€, case 30€, laptop PSU 30€, RAM+ storage and that thing cost me 180€ total in 2015.
Oh the irony. I bought a Deepcool fan hub splitter, and it overloaded the fan header on mobo. It was a 6 way hub, but replaced a case included 4 way that worked fine, with only 4/6 fan's populated at time of build on Deepcool unit. Gigabyte B550 Aorus Master, toasted, luckily I got a replacement board, but I blame Deepcool for lousy hubs.
i dont think itx builds are for everyone they require a lot of research. itx size is so varied for cases, and a lot of times the case you choose for an itx build kind of picks the parts you can and cant use for a build. get a phanteks a200, cool, you can basically go ham. get a SSUPD and then you are limited on what you can cram into the space. sometimes it will get so tight it will even limit you on what kind of cooling you can do. also it is important to note building ITX does not mean you need an sfx power supply. you just need to plan around it and find an itx case that supports an atx PSU like the phanteks a200 or the jonsbo VR3.
Man ITX is so stupid, this video was hilarious. I see portability thrown around as if these guys don't keep their computer in the same space like 95 percent of the time around their monitors. Get a labtop if you want portability, and you even get a screen too.
No the vex is just rtxded lmao theres literally people with a 4090 and 7800x3d in a 6 liter case just say u guys got huge skill issues
I really love my itx build mainly because I'm about to graduate and having to dorm my first year of college there is not much room for a gigantasaurus build.
Tu peux pas imaginer à quel point on est content une fois le travail terminé. J'ai réalisé le même build que OptimumTech, celui avec le NZXT H1, mais avec une RTX 3080 plus grande que la RTX 2070 qu'il a utilisé. Le tout en Full Custum Loop, et j'ai ajouté en extension un radiateur 360mm en externe avec des Quick-Release Alphacool pour plus de performance en refroidissement. C'était parfait comme résultat final, et un challenge extrême pour moi. L'idée que j'avais en tête c'est que je puisse voyager en avion avec mon setup en entier le jour où je vais immigrer depuis le Maroc au Canada. Chose que j'ai pu réaliser il y'a deux mois. Et j'ai ramené mon boitier NZXT H1 avec moi dans une valise cabine. Je pourrais partager les photos avec vous si vous voulez. Tout ça pour dire que le choix du SFF pour un enthousiaste n'est pas facile au début, mais on le fait pour montrer à quel point on est fort en montage de PC custom, et des fois il se peut que ça soit un choix réfléchi si on tient à notre matos et on veut le ramener là oú on va partout dans le monde.
Out of the new mini ITX AM5 motherboards, I would avoid any board that has the separate dota board. I had an Asus X670E-I, sold it and got the Asus B650e-i, I'm glad I did. The new ASRock B650-i PG Lightening ITX board would be my second choice.
I'll always use full size ATX cases because I can put anything in it without worrying about if something will fit or not.
imagine building a full tower pc with all ITX Components. xD they're so tiny and adorable.
Been building itx systems for awhile now and I absolutely agree with some of these issues. Cable management is a bitch unless you wanna spend $100+ on custom cables or wanna try to understand how to trim your own PSU cables. ITX Motherboards with dotterboards are the worst. I like to carry my itx builds with me and those dotterboards WILL fall out. I've tried to tape them down in the past but they'll still come out of its slot. So if you have a dotterboard with the power button on it, have fun opening up your system whenever you travel. Small ITX cases where you can fit a reasonably sized gpu in it used to cost $200+ so my first itx build was in a shoebox, which costed me NOTHING. If you want to run any cpu that's over 90+ watts, aio is the only option. I've had the Noctua NH-L12S and that wasn't able to keep temps reasonable on my Ryzen 9 3900X. Also yeah, ITX builds are expensive compared to atx systems. But damn. Ima keep building them for the fact of being able to fit my entire high end rig, including a keyboard, mouse, and display, all in my backpack and do all my fancy high end video editing work on the go.
I was originally gonna build my new PC and looked at MiniITX but i didn’t think it was a good idea to do a first build in such a small space. In the end, I ended up buying my PC as the price difference wasnt a huge but if i do build one in future id get a micro atx board. Its still small but it will be a lot easier than trying a Mini ITX and cheaper. I do love the small farm factor though
When I was in the Marines, I built an ITX rig to game on. I lived in the barracks so things had to be small and tidy. A ginormous pc tower would have stuck out like a sore thumb and would likely have gotten mentions from my seniors. I went ITX. Found reasons to like ITX and reasons to hate ITX. The price wasn't really the issue. The random cuts on my hands, the sh*t ability to cable manage in such a crampt space, and the limited options were my biggest frustrations.
I have since built an HTPC in its own version of a crapt case. That was much easier to work with though. Next project, NAS, so technically I'm not done with ITX. lol
itx just seems stressful
Definitely skill issue for most people
not everyone live in big suburban house so space saving is a real thing
My experience was that Mini ITX was hardly any space saving on my desk. I've found a gaming laptop used horizontally to be much better space saving. If I need a desktop PC again I'll likely go ATX put it on the floor below my desk.
Undervolting is huge when building in really small itx cases
Fractal Terra supports ATX power supply O_O
(Sorry, I lost the control, good video !)
Shoutout to the homie of culture rocking the Bridget flair.
Exactly happens to me when i build a itx pc,its the most tedious thing ever,i wouldn't want to build it again.If anything wrong with the machine i have to take it apart,it is a nightmare.
Was the NR200 not available? That Lian Li case I built in before and was a hotbox. I don't even hate standard size builds yet this vid looks like it'll scare builders out of trying out different niches just outta consideration.
You literally could've chosen a better cooler if not case for the entire build not to mention the entirety of Zen4 runs hotter than an intel equivalent at similar power limits (also if you wanted you could run a recent i7 or even i9 at 125w and still run cooler with similar performance to Ryzen counterparts). The flashy mobo and RAM deffo don't help with the budget and literally have much cheaper alternatives for roughly the same performance/features. For the PSU you could just SF750 and smooth sailing from there with noise levels especially pushing well over 750w under full load
Anyone genuinely here for PC build advice should focus on why not to get SFF with probably only 2 points this video even hit home vs. why they should get a larger case. There's very little discretion and more bullshit with the only legit complainy from anyone who knows what they're doing being the stupid daughterboard on the Gigabyte mobo.
With that said, I guess this channel is for entertainment and copium more than actual info.
Never go Full Itx unless your a sadist, MATX is where its at!
Daughterboards, Motherboards, Cousinsboards. Life of an Mini-ITX builder and his family lol
You can get a Sama IM01 (or any if its clones) or a Jonsbo C6 for a small Matx build.
Its easier, i tried a 5L build and its as hell.
Your definitely right about the price of itx. I have the meshlicious case and the foot print is tiny. Works well for my desk setup. But you are right, most should go for matx or atx builds.
With an ITX, let say I need to update the bios, using USB. Now, to power the ITX, does it have to be ONLY a sfx power supply ? or can I just use any regular size PSU?
I have been building my own and family rigs basically in mATX for 15 years. 2 of them ITX, none full ATX. After those 2 ITX in particular I do believe mATX is the best. More so since GPUs are so big these days (300+mm, 3.5 slots, stiff cable) and you can't save much space with ITX board anyway. So why struggle with limited m.2 and fan connectors, cooler compatibility for higher price?
such a great video, great content, love the joke about bluetooth cooling LOL
"This is not recommended" got me. Nice job. I hate ITX, too. And, as you mentioned, it's more-or-less the same footprint on the floor or desk as ATX.
Good luck fitting a tower in a backpack
SFF builds definitely take some compromising, but if you need them they're a blessing. I'm running a 5600 and 3060 Ti in a 5.5L case and can just throw it in a duffel bag with my clothes when I travel.
Unfortunately, because GPU manufacturers are determined to make every shroud *massive* this gen only real upgrade I could make is to a 4060 Ti despite the 4070 having a similar power draw to my current card. Hopefully next gen will finally give me an upgrade path
never been a fan for itx for less feature... yeah you can take it around easier... but how many times i gonna move it around?
Best small form factor case (at least for me) is SAMA IM01. Small but not too small and I can use matx board and atx PSU.
Easy way to go small without breaking the bank.
Oh man, I almost convinced myself NOT to build a µATX "Steam machine" for my living room. But with all the struggles you had, the sting is rising again...
Am I a PC masochist? Possibly yes. I hink that this is a nice riddle to build a µATX system, looking nice in the living room, powerful enough, not fully breaking the bank...
I did one back in 2018 with a small box type case by Thermal Take . Easy route was taking pictures of the case and stripping everything off and building into the case starting with the mother board 1st . But that one I used a single fan cpu Aio cooler by Corsair and also a single fan
And the video card was a RTX2080 single fan Aio cooler . Was a challenge but dam temps on it were very low .
Yo I loved the video, why so many little views???!!
I started with a 10400F and RTX 2060 in a Phanteks Evolv Shift and finished with 11700K and 6950XT Nitro+ in Evolv Shift 2 :D
It's a pain in the ass. Started with Liquid Freezer 120 which died in like 1 year, so i decided to switch to a Big Shuriken 3. Then i decided i'd like something more powerful and found a Cryorig C1. Now I'm struggling to find the LGA1700 bracket in order to upgrade and don't have much of a choice since not very many 140 mm low profile coolers on the market :/ Luckily at least i have an AM4 (AM5 compatible) one in case i'd switch the side to AMD
The billet labs comment made me laugh louder then I should have
already assembled 2 mini itx , 3.6l and 13,5l (those with aio and screen) and notice the most smallest with 1u power supply was lot more easy than those cases with sfx, but yes every case have the step for assembly and not wrote on the manual, must try and fail until find the correct order, is a pity but the best ones for travel, yes know laptops are more easy and compact but cant upgrade in future, those atx are so in terms of price still cheaper
Building in an itx case is pure masochism 😅
ITX can be difficult to work in, for sure
i went with a fractal design torrent nano. it was pretty big for an ITX case, but it was still challenging to work with. i don't think i compromised much though because the case has good airflow
ITX or MATX is great to conserve space or for those of us who love dense compact builds
Totally agree and disagree. Going ITX was the best decision I ever made in terms of PC building.
Yes, you need to do a lot of prep and planning, but it is so rewarding.