Why Japanese Salarymen Work So Hard
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I work in US university with a few Japanese co-workers. They told me that they actually have more time to visit their family in Japan while working in the US than when they were working in Japan.
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It's funny because us Europeans think of American work culture being toxic and overworking too, and we can't understand why you seem to never take a proper vacation. You can get fired on the spot, and it's up to you to figure it out, that would be a big scandal if that happened here. To think that japan's work ethic is a level above that is just insane.
holy shit
@@Vyalkuran I think people mistake work ethic with being present.
When you speak to people who work those ,80 hour weeks, you realise very little of it is heads down work.
Vs you speak to someone well performing in a big Scandinavian or German company, a lot of it is very focused work
@@taiefmiah This is true. It's all for face. No one can work to their full potential while working hours that long.
「若い世代にはこの労働文化を変えてほしい」と言われるのにはもう疲れました。本当の問題は、誰かを不快にしたり迷惑をかけたりしないように生きている多数の控えめな人々にあります。彼らが礼儀正しく静かすぎるため、過労文化を助長しているのです。不満を言わないので、誰も有給休暇を使うことに躊躇しています。有給休暇は日本の労働法で与えられているにもかかわらずです。時には、彼らは会社や労働法に強制されるのを待っているように感じられますが、それはさらに悪いことです。自分で考えて、時には大きな声で主張する必要があります。礼儀正しすぎることも社会にとって否定的で破壊的になることがあります。変化を待つのではなく、自分から行動し、日本の未来に関心があるなら行動を起こしてください。
あなたはとても正しいです!
Ahah yes, and the guy is 27... So he's expecting changes to come in 25 years by people who are currently 2 years old? 😂 If he was 57 I'd understand.
I was wondering though, do they have some protection from the government or they will just get fired if they don't overwork?
I’ve been living in Japan for the past 3 months and this is my impression so far. There is so much silent social pressure here in Japan. It’s like you have to be busy because everyone is busy. You have to be pretty and poised because all ladies are. I think they forget that at the end of the day, it’s their choice to be enveloped in stress or be free from it.
I think Tokyo is like that but outside it, let's say, in Osaka that kind of mentality is lessened.
@@TsugMt It's more chill in Sendai too
Germany and Netherlands culture too
@@harm991 for Germany & Netherlands there's definitely pressure to work hard and effectively. But to be poised and pretty? Absolutely not
As one on the ladies pointed out, it’s entwined into the culture, hence a very hard mindset and attitude to break.
When I lived in Japan, I also remember the need to pretend to be busy just because you’re at work. Now this happens all over the world and is more prominent in certain industries (commercial and corporate law, for example).
However, the main difference is it doesn’t extent to overtime and doing generally unproductive activities, you just need to clock your minimal hours and leave.
I used to work in Japanese multinational company, and I have this Japanese boss who was so busy in front of his computer. When I went to his direction to get something, I glanced at his laptop's monitor and he was just playing solitaire. He was just pretending to do some work trying to look busy, and I think this is the case for most salaryman. Pretend to work even if work is done just so you can please your boss, and your colleagues won't think your lazy.
Honestly with how it is with animators and mangakas it's definitely not the case since they work tons like some work 16 hours a day and sleep at their work places, it's obvious because the amount of time it takes for some anime especially the anime done by studio ghibli are quickly done yet everything is done from scratch including story and it turns out amazing with very few animators just like a studio ghibli movie done in 8 months with 8 animators apparently
I don't know much about other work places besides what I understand from seeing in anime but my point is that since a lot of (not all) animators and mangakas work so hard I can't imagine other work places being lazy. I might be wrong though since it's just an assumption besides what I said about animators and mangakas
@@Sinon_Asada it's stupid because they aren't getting the bonuses, the managers who understaffed the entire team do.
@@taiefmiah it's not stupid they chose it by their own will and they are doing the job they've always loved and still do just because they aren't happy constantly while animating doesn't mean they don't enjoy it since it's a job it will be hard and that's normal, also japanese people tend to dislike not finishing something just as shown in the video so they stay up to finish it before leaving work
@@taiefmiah you cant call something stupid when they chose it themselves it's just what they like, just because you don't have the same opinion or perspective doesn't mean its dumb it just means your different from them and that's completely fine since it's not something that will impact anyone around them at least
I am currently working in Tokyo as a software engineer. We are encouraged to work efficiently, so I would say 90% of the time everyone gets to go home on time. A lot of it comes down to being realistic in project planning and resource allocation. We also get to use our vacation leave without guilt, which I know other companies give their employees a hard time for. This is a regular Japanese company, not a gaishikei, but staffed with foreign engineers.
That’s very good to hear. Are you hiring by any chance? 😗
How can I find such companies?
I'm interested in this company too! lol
Why you guys want to work as software engineers in Japan? It pays like shit in comparison to the USA lol
Usually Japanese startups have this mindset and pretty much every foreign company, you don't like to overwork? Look for company that isn't Japanese, sad but true
I worked in a tandai many years ago and I got the impression that people worked less efficiently because it gave the impression that they were working harder. I observed teachers spending all day grading entrance tests, socializing and enjoying bento lunches while I finished my share of the work within an hour. My colleagues checked my work because they thought I was possibly careless, but I made no mistakes. It disturbed them a bit. The type of grading they did was more difficult, I must admit. There was nothing for me to do the next day, so I did not attend. I was just there as a replacement teacher with a job to return to back home, so I preferred the free time. By the way, at home I was a workaholic and suffered from burnout.
At companies this happens everywhere, not only Japan. In the US especially places with cubicles you have people like sitting on the internet messing around all the time. Society just has a layer of people who do the bare minimum. Issue with people working late, is the social aspect which has changed a lot. There's a lot of pressure to not go home because you don't want to leave anybody behind. But a decent companies a lot of the bosses will make their workers go home or they'll even turn off the computers in bigger companies. Even with these laws and rules and place, there's still a lot of people who don't want to leave their coworkers behind.
Thank you for do this subject. As a husband and father, overwork has been an issue for a long time for me and my family. I hope and pray for the families and workers in Japan that they find more balance with their work and time.
I worked 6 days per week for 12 hours a day over the course of 4 months. It didn't really feel like it, because the work itself made time appear to fly. However, you do notice how much you've worked, as soon as you're on your spare time, and realize you only have a couple hours to pursue your hobbies and socialize with friends...
Felt... I used to work 12 hours 3 days a week which doesn't sound bad at face value, but often times the days were scheduled in a way where I'd have to work 3 to even 5 days in a row and it was physically intense labor that has almost no break except for the required 30 minute break (that I often skipped when my supervisor wasn't there, because I was one of the only ones that could keep everything moving when it got busier)
I don't have any friends, but I still would've liked to have more time to myself. Luckily, I quit that job (it was taking a toll on my physical injuries) and now I don't have to move around as much, although as a jobless NEET/引きこもり-like person, I'm not sure I'm satisfied with my output 😮💨
@@al1999 yeah exactly, I know the feeling 🤧 I spent more time awake at work than at home honestly
Glad we both got out of that situation
This would be illegal in a lot of places in Europe.
Everyone in Europe gets fair work times and 30 mandatory paid days off and usually another 30 days unpaid. It's the standard for Europeans to take 2 months off work every year along with public and bank holidays extra.
Me too. 6 days per week alternating between 12 and 15 hour shifts. It was hard. I only did it for a few months though.
Agree.
I have worked in a Japanese company for some years.
In all parts of the world, we need to fit in.
But the Japanese companies seem to take this 'fitting-in' to an extreme level.
Either fit-in, or get suffocated! Work has nothing to do with it.
Not really about the video itself, but nonetheless I wanted to tell you that your videos make for an excellent advanced-level listening pracitce! The fact that you and the people you interview talk in a natural, fast-paced manner really puts my abilities to the test and makes for a more intense learning experience. Thank you for the uploads and keep them coming!
This is an excellent video and one of his best, agree!
I quit my work at the age of 56 and I am feeling great. When I was 28 I worked in Tokyo and experienced the dark side of work so to speak. I can only encourage everyone to think about the precious time on this beautiful marble called earth. Why are we here? What is the purpose of our life? To run in the hamster wheel to make corporations filthy rich? There must be another answer. And more and more people find an appropriate answer ;-)
Where have you settle now? You’re absolutely true. One must find the purpose of life. For me, it’s to please God and collect good deeds here to enjoy eternally in the next life. In the process, there will be distractions but, we must keep patience and find a balance in everything we do.
@@TimTim__ Eternity exists in the singular moment only.
@Raunch Hall didn’t ask for your suggestion. Peace be upon you.
Amen
@@jimferrari3964 Jesus (Prophet Isa A.S) didn’t die and will come again before the end times. That’s my belief actually.
Anyways, peace be upon you 😊
I used to work for a Japanese company but I was based in Singapore. I think one aspect that contributed to this overwork culture is also people thinking they have more than 8 hours a day to work. So the pace of the work became slower sometimes as they/I paced the work for a day over 10-12 hours instead of 8 hours. 😅
This is a interesting point!
if you pace the work and be slower over 10-12 hours, I don't see that as overworked. I do that with my job that I could easily do in 6-8, but its literally stress free for me because I usually spend 10-12. I can also do this because I work from home 100%, so I save easily 2 hours on commute, which I put back into my work. I've been overworked before, and that's going 100% for 8-12 hours straight so I know what overworked is like.
Hi Takashii I have a video idea... You should interview Japanese School Students! Ask them what it's like to be a Student in a Japanese School, ask what they like or maybe don't like about going to school in Japan, and ask if it's a good idea for foreigners to study in Japan!
Wow I like this idea I hope he does it
That be awesome
Up not only Tokyo also pls
Good idea !
I'd be happy to do this if Takashii can catch me in Tokyo lol
The interviews keep getting better and better, plus the sakura in the background looks incredible. Great work, Takashi san! 素晴らしい！！！
Incredible interviews & Sakura season 😻🌸🌸🌸
I always thought that the workload in Japan was too much and excessive. Thanks for this video Takashi.
American here: I have worked really late...7 am to 11 pm , so I have experience in giving hours to my employer (uncompensated) it was my choice and when the need wasn't there anymore, I no longer did that. I work in the business/IT and sometimes that is how a project goes. However, I notice that the longer I work the less productive I am ; Long hours does not equate to good work.
The Japanese don't see work as just a process of Input -> Output like the West does. In their culture, Work is also a cultural and social phenomena....
exactly, that's one thing Japanese work culture is very behind. The fact you have less rest, feel less refresh, there is diminishing returns in productivity, especially after the 8 hour mark which has been studied to death, hence why in the west "white collar" only work up to 8 hours as the norm and are encouraged to take vacation time off to "recharge". Don't get me wrong, I love visiting Japan, but no way I see myself living there no matter how much fun I have. The work culture is horrible unless you're the lucky few with exceptional skills or talents. Also, the pay is pretty weak compared to the west. I rather live in a boring country with good benefits, get paid well, then vacation in Japan 3-4 weeks out of the year.
Wow Takashii your interviewing skills went above and beyond with this topic! It’s very clear that it is a difficult conversation for these working men, especially because they are a part of the harsh working culture. Your questions were so important and got closer to the root of the matter, which is such a talent! Amazing work 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Very revealing interviews - you could tell that some of the interviewees were holding back a bit too. Great questions by the interviewer too.
Imagine taking paid leave then you became the biggest villain in terms of other employees
Really easy as a foreigner working here when we don't give a damn, I have a life to live!
Let everyone silently judge if they think that way
@@jOeLwAlBy That is exactly how it should be. I work in an industry where we have a lot of training, telling us of products, how they work etc. I generally do my own research in my own time and i by far outshine the knowledge of my colleagues that attend but they hate when i don't show up to training. Yet they're always asking me how things work. Also that training is unpaid, so i will not be obliging.
Who ever does your translations are insane! I love them alot, it makes for an easy understand! Nuance is definitely there which alot of translators forget to use.
When I lived in Tokyo as a kid, my dad would go to work at 5am and get home around midnight. He also worked a few hours on Saturdays.
omg no wonder these salarymen pass out on the trains
@@cottoncandykawaii2673 yup, it’s their nap time.
Pops was out drinking and smashing other women
流石にやばすぎだろ😂
嘘やん
I really appreciate these interviews Takashii-san. It's actually a little bit challenging at times finding good information on what people mean by overwork from my perspective because I work long hours in the United States. I realized that, to the rest of the world, the US has a culture of overwork and a lack of holidays and such also. So knowing what the comparison actually is has been super useful to me and videos like this have helped me immensely as I tried to decide if I would like to move to Japan.
At the moment, I believe I will move to Japan because I figure I can always come back to the United States if I find that Japan is just a bad fit for me. A few years in Japan would fly by and it isn't as though I would need to live in Japan forever.
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Man, I live in Mexico, where working hours are even longer than Japn or South Korea and wages are waaaaay lower, like 6 time lower. Going to Japan would be an improvement in work conditions
@@TsugMt yeah, it's really relative do what you're currently doing always. 😅 That isn't to say that other countries don't work hard, but differences in living conditions and and the type of work matter so much here. Like I work around 11 hours a day most days, with work on weekends and such. I would make less moving to Japan, but I live in a fairly large place in the us and if I was trying to find a smaller place in my area I wouldn't save much money because rent has increased so much... These days, small one-bedroom apartments cost almost as much as the two-bedroom place I'm in. But in Japan I can get a small place that is cheaper than were I am and I'm fine living in small places... So I think things will even out pretty well, so long as I'm good with living in a smaller space.
Another interesting aspect that I've heard is that a lot of people include after work gatherings as work hours in Japan. I think that's fair because I think a lot of people don't want to go to those events but feel pressured to.. in my case though, I don't think I would consider those work because the work I do all day long is so much more demanding than hanging out with people. 😅 Also, it would be about the only way to gain work friends I think moving to Japan you know?
I guess the point I'm making though is that, relative to a lot of European countries, American work hours and ethic probably seems pretty toxic in a healthy as well.. and a lot of the opinions of foreigners you here are in fact from Europe where work hours and vacation time is taking a lot more frequently. Like my friend from Germany recoiled when I said I had only about six holidays off a year and work through several of them anyways. 😂
🙂 すごいビデオたかしさん❗
You have dealt with a very interesting and typical topic of Japanese culture. Unfortunately there are still very few people in Japan who work the right hours.
Working the right hours, taking holidays and sickness should be a right and not a courtesy!
However I am convinced that future generations will improve working conditions because today there is more information and cultural exchanges than in the past and people will understand that work is only a part of our life that allows us to have achievements.
You have all my esteem for having had the courage and determination to follow a different path than what society would expect. Go on like this! Best wishes and see you next video! 🤗
This was a really great video Takashii, thank you! You asked some great questions, and I believe that because you create awareness around these social issues, it'll hopefully not only cause your interviewees to reflect on themselves, but the awareness and discussion of social issues will gradually lead to improvements within society! Great work, as always!
His ability to ask the right questions in the moment is definitely reflective on his success as an interviewer & the channel. He does well.
I live in Indonesia, to be Honest like most of asian work culture many company tend to demand a long hours of work to their employees, they punish people that become efficient, but it started to change because now we aim to be digitally adept society and many digital startup company blooming and pandemic also speed up the process, so now they are realize that work from home proven to be more cost effective, efficient and quick
Whenever I hear this problem from east asian, I always glad that our working conditions is not that harsh and the salary standard keep improving
Yes, this is an interesting topic Takashii. I am studying Hikikimori & Suicide in Japan & the world. The Hikikimori are identified in other countries too including Australia, Bangladesh, Iran, India, South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, and the USA. I think what Japanese folk call "Culture" may actually be "Inherited Thinking" so if my Elders worked over time so too will i, symbolizing a group mind as opposed to individual Thinking. The Lady brought up a good point about "no time for Children" of Family, indeed oneself really. We work to live, not live to work, play is very important. What each country has in common is being over worked, especially in South Korea, people take their lives, no quality of life. Bravo on asking about a subject, rarely talked about.
A lot of behavior attributed to japanese “culture” is like attributing Fentanyl and school shootings to US “culture”.
Here in Mexico, hikikomoris are called ninis, in spanish it's short for "ni estudia ni trabaja", meaning "not studying nor working"
I'm a ひきこもり how do I get out? I make money and workout at home so I'm not really unhealthy or unproductive. But I'm slowly wasting away in my apartment.
@Luxzle Be uncomfortable...The answer will always be to get uncomfortable...Little by little, get out to the convenience store, walk a little bit in a park, do exercise outside, use a mask so you don't feel so uncomfortable that you won't get out again.
Have a hobby that means getting outside, try something new on your free time. Always be curious, I do think japanese people and a lot of people are lacking curiosity, for their countries, for their people, for the world and curiosity makes you try new things
Finally, come to mexico, we are very, very welcoming of others and you will learn on how to be more confident and assertive, on how to talk to people without fear because we don't judge others, we welcome others and like to have a good time..Those are my suggestions...Live andnsee thebworld, you only have one life, I think a ton of japanese people are wasting their life away on working like robots, you're not robots, you're human beings, well, be one, act like one, be curiosu, ger in uncomfortable situations or your routine will never ever change and you'll rot away without experiencing the world
@@TsugMtt's not the same, hikikomori are (young) people who don't get out of their bedrooms, it's a psyquiatric problem (even related to suicides) as well, not only a social one. While "ni-nis" (in Spain it's the same as in Mexico) are the young people you described, but they go out, and enjoy the life (opposite to hikikomori)
I used to had a Japanese coworker in Mexico, he told me something apply apparently in most countries but since Japan adopted overwork as part of their culture, the pace of work in Japan is slow that’s why most people overtime in the jobs, but if you do your job fast enough and they notice it, usually the throw to you a higher amount of responsibilities for the same payment, between having the same salary doing his daily activities or getting a lot of work done plus non paid overtime and the same payment, the choice is pretty clearly
I have not experienced working in Japan, I'm from Romania, but I will share something. Overworking is an issue in Romania too, even people on my own team where I work are overworking and not even "officially registering" those hours. So they are essentially overworking for free for a company that doesn't give a flying F* about them. If they would quit their job, they would be quickly replaced. People shouldn't think for a second that the company you work for cares about you at all. With the only exception maybe being smaller companies/startup companies that have few employees and actually care about your health and keeping you in the company because you are of help to them. If you are contracted to work 8 hours, work 8 hours and not a minute more.
Also personal opinion, work shouldn't be more than 6 hours / day for 4 days a week. We are supposed to live life and enjoy it, experience different things, have time for some hobbies, children, and family, not slave it away working for the majority of our daytime. I've seen some countries have already started to implement/test the 4 days work week (8 hours per day) instead of the usual 5 days work week, and from the results they found that people are working more efficiently and getting more done in 4 days compared to working 5 days.
Lucrez in UK si e cam la fel, dar acum depinde si de companie. Cam asa e in consultantele tech, destul de toxic
I'm italian, in the next months I'll probably come to Japan for two years, for my Master Degree (Space Engineering). If by chances I'll get some job offers in Japan, I can think about them, but even if I'll accept a job in Japan, I'll never do those work hours. Nope, nope, nope. Will I have a contract? Am I supposed to do X hours per day? Good. Those will be my hours in the office. Outside those hours, they can't pretend to see me inside that office, unless I'll have extra job-hours paid and a particular situation (for example the entire office/team near the deadline of a project). I love japanese culture, I know they have a very team-work spirit and they don't want to create problems for the Company, the CEO and other workers. But doing extra-work outside contract hours --> more stress and more tired --> less efficiency at work & MOST important: less time with the family.
If your supposed "love" for the company keeps you far away from your family, making you returning at home too late in the evening, to the point that you can't even see your son/daughter, then that "love" and devotion for the company is totally wrong. Especially if it's a devotion based only on a mental state, on an "illusion". The employers don't want to go away before the CEO, but the CEO remains in the office because he fears to be seen as a lazy person if he goes at home during afternoon? Definitely not my problem! That's a TERRIBLE mental state. I'm happy to hear, sometimes, that this mentality is slowly going away.
Here in Italy people usually start to work in office between 8 and 9 a.m., and they go at home usually at 5 p.m (or even 2-3 p.m, if it's a short working-day, based on the company). Those are the max work-hours I'm going to accept in a normal contract, and those will be my hours in office. My working-mates will stay more in the office? Not my problem, my mental state and my family are more important. And if I'll get a job in Japan, instead of returning here in Italy, I really hope to find a more "western-oriented" company, with normal work-hours.
Omg cherry blossoms looks so PRETTY💗
I really don't think Japan's birthrate will improve until the work ethic changes. This kind of life style is not conducive to raising children.
As a law student who just calculated my month's wages after getting back from work today, this video was exactly what I needed loool. I'd love to start my graduate career on this side of the world but between the wages and the long hours, I know I'd really have to be dedicated to staying in Japan if I continue to live here after I graduate.
As an American..I can relate to this. Many American jobs pay very low wages with no healthcare benefits..especially if you are young. These companies take advantage of their workers and will work you to death if they can. When I was younger I used to work 18 hours a day. I felt tired, horrible, sick and exhausted. I would sometimes start falling asleep while driving home. And when I got home all I could do was eat and then go to bed..no time to spend with family or friends. It was a terrible time in my life. So I can understand why some people would commit suicide over this. In America..no one wants to publicly talk about this causing suicide..so thank you Takashi for mentioning this because it is very important. We should work to live..not live to work. And companies need to pay better wages with healthcare benefits so people don't have to overwork and can enjoy life with friends and family. Great video as usual, Takashi. 🙂👍
I’m Korean, and I have worked in U.S, and England. Now, I’m working in Korea as a medical interpreter. My impression about the countries that I lived are that they all work hard. When I was doing the internship in Miami, I went out with some of German friends. They said they can’t go home unless they finish their work. They told me that’s German’s work ethic. Also I met Uber driver whose full time job is lawyer, and he said he is doing Uber driver only in the morning and night as he has three daughters. Most of the developed countries work very hard. I think people in developed countries aiming for higher-value lifestyle. You only have limited amount of time to work in your life, and you gotta make the best out of it. I want to learn German or Japanese and work abroad. Korean job markets are very small and competitive😅.
Those Germans said they have to finish their work. This is very different from sitting around because of social pressure until your boss leaves. Finishing the work as quickly and efficiently as possible, but then leaving (with the good feeling of achievement) is a positive work attitude. Work-life-balance is an important value in Germany. We do not give back our 6 weeks of paid leave to the company!
My first time in Japan last month. Spent most of my time in Kyoto, Tokyo, and Kanazawa. My impressions were that many (salarymen) seemed stressed and worn out. Trains were crowded with workers early morning til late evenings. I would think life in country areas would be much less stressful. Beautiful historic sites and nature and extremely clean.
Interesting video! It's always fascinating to learn about cultural differences in work ethics and how they shape people's lives. It's impressive how dedicated Japanese salarymen are to their jobs, but it's also important to have a good work-life balance.
As an American and former US Army medic this video is crazy to me. The Japanese people work so hard that you would think entrepreneurship would be much more prevalent in their country. With that much devotion and work ethic tied to their company imagine what businesses and startups they could create for themselves!
But that has a risk of failure and losing face…..culturally this is difficult. Join a Japanese company and you are almost guaranteed a job for life with virtually no risk of failure as long as you turn up everyday.
lots of comments are talking about people conflating being present out of necessity and social pressure with actually having a genuinely good work ethic. a lot of the work day is apparently spent doing busy work or pretending to be a model employee while actually doing very little? tbh as someone with a good work ethic myself, i could never own a startup. you need so many more skills than that
This is great! I would be interested in a part 2, but with you catching businessman around midnight instead.
I think that would freak them out lol
I'm torn on this topic. I'm currently a university student and I am living in South Korea right now which is also known for a culture of overworking, while not necessarily in the same exact ways that Japan is known for this (I have also lived in Japan in the past).
Since staying here, I felt that while there is definitely a culture of overworking, there is also a completely different perception of work than the general perspective in the United States.
The idea of having respect for, pride in, and loyalty to your company is a lot stronger here (in South Korea, and also in Japan compared to in the U.S.). In addition to that I've encountered more Korean people that say that they are passionate about their work or that they are working in a job that they love than I have encountered in the U.S.
For me, when I am working on the things I am passionate about (graphic design, videography, or other creative work), I often work well over 8 hours a day. I also work all through the night or work through meals and holidays. I choose to do that because I'm so excited about my work or passionate and interested in it.
So, I really appreciate your video on this topic. I think it is really amazing to see you and other Japanese individuals engaging in honest and open discussion on this aspect of Japanese culture. It seemed like the individuals that you interviewed gave really honest responses.
Moving forward, it is important that everyone is able to reasonably and openly critique their own culture and discuss constructive ways to create positive change in the future.
For people that watch this content who are not Japanese and may be inclined to judge or critique the culture without an understanding of it, or without context, I hope that we can take the time to consider that there is more to the discussion of what is reasonable for work than our initial opinions and that it is good to keep an open mind and learn from each other.
Thank you for making this video! 🤍
100% What a constructive comment you make and share andecodotal details as examples of this while pointing out the overall philosophy:
>"The idea of having respect for, pride in, and loyalty to your company is a lot stronger here"
That is such an important thing to possess in an individual in order to appreciate the meaning in work as opposed to see it as a time vs money material only exchange which the West subscribes so heavily to.
My own experience is this:
1. I am incapable of working in organizations/companies where I don't believe in their functioning eg too bureaucratic etc
2. I only believe in my own work as a sole trader running my own business where I see my work = life and am happy to "over-work" each day 7 days a week all year.
It's a completely different mindset to the usual 9-5 and waiting for retirement and saving money that the West imho adopts for most jobs. I feel meaning in my own work and am happy to work longer doing that living a fulfilling life.
My view of the Japanese? They are very very stoic people and the over-work culture is a part of the Japanese people themselves: It will be hard to change.
That said? I'd advice the Japanese to put more priority in high quality family life. A good saying I heard recently:
1. Faith or Philosophy
2. Family
3. Your Self Lastly!
Tekashi you are the smart one...🌴🌴 You are creating your own brand... and I'm guessing you were probably making more than a lot of people who are working terrible hours... Good for you and being creative. 🎆🎆
all the junior employees say:
I like my job;
No I am not over worked,
My superiors are hard workers,
blah blah blah ...
I feel like some of these people were afraid of their bosses watching this video, and kinda didn't want to answer if they were overworked or not
I used to work from 8am to 8pm sometimes until 10pm in a food factory and before that 9am to 2am(same company just different building). Although our regular working time is from 8-5:15 no one, as in no one, is going home at 5:15. We don’t have paid leave and social insurance at that time. I only received my social insurance when I told my manager that I’m pregnant. I heard they still work from 8am to 12:30am until now.
Hello Takashi, first, I think youre fucking awesome for doing this.
Im not really a fan of Japanese boses since most of them always Low balled me when I was still doing freelance work remotely. I talk to their assistants so.. 😅
Binging on your content made me aware what the socio economic landscape is in Japan and has made me understand why they are like that.
As a 34 y o female in Manila, you have educated me that at the end of the day, we are all just humans. Getting by.
Thanks and always be safe and healthy over there 👋🏼
Very good episode 👍
Thank you 🙏
more diverse and enriching life should lead to better work :) there's also a lot of studies done on when work quality and productivity drops off very quickly at certain weekly hour and number of work day levels. great vid
Unfailingly Japanese! Love it! Thank you.
Thank you so much for watching!!
If you’re the one who has experienced working in Japan, please share your story in the comment!
i wish to see some day one japanese who would be brave enough to reveal the truth about how the japanese gouvernment is screwing and scaming the japanese people
Takashi i have so much respect for your country,i mean polite culture,conqueror temper by nature,unselfish for green enviroment mine most important thing in life, our nature,ecosistem..i wish that you have over milion subscribers soon,i love to watch your channel🙂
I like your Beard.
I watched some of your earlier videos.
It is clear that you have evolved and improved.
You are more Brave now. I think that is good for an interviewer.
A Japanese man can never be Abrasive. It is not in his nature.
So, you can be Brave without fearing Abrasiveness.
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From what I gather Japan isn't a very direct culture, so I'm amazed that you find people you can so openly talk about sensitive topics. I would be curious how much of what you translate is actually "hidden" in phrases but you write down what they actually MEAN instead of providing a direct translation.
@@Smittenhamster I don't think the overworking culture is something sensitive to most of them, it's about as normal as life itself and maybe equivalent to people in a country such as America talking about... politics (unfortunately)
I think the young generations can put an impact on this issue in the future.
Agreed
I'm a network engineer and we are the embodiment of "work smart, not hard". If you're working long hours and it's not for a major project, something is very wrong 😂. The IT culture probably isn't too different over there because we all use the same technology at a fundamental level.
This was one of the best interviews.
Please do more regarding such issues.
I've more or less forced the mentality of Efficiency where I work. So now I work 3 days from home and 2 days at the office. I get plenty of more work done in much much less time and I also help my co-workers to work more efficiently.
Time is precious and we need to cherish it. Working way to much and missing out on things that brings you joy in life needs to change.
Interesting. While the interview and video are amazing. It must also be said, that a lawyer and a person working in finance will ALWAYS have long hours.
I know lawyers here in Philippines (especially, when they started) that would work 12-16 hours a day. As for finance, money never sleeps. I used to work in finance and worked a minimum of 12 hours a day.
I was thinking of doing a Masters Degree in Finance but, I believe I would rather opt for Education and carry on as a teacher and hopefully, one day, University Professor.
Great videos. Love your content.
このチャネルのコンテンツは日本語の勉強中の外国人の僕にとって役に立ってる。日本語の字幕を付けていただけば、本当にありがたいです。自動生成の字幕は時々正しくなかった😅
Thank you Takashii. This was one of your best videos. I would start with saying that the level of respect and politeness in these conversational exchanges was exemplary.
I cannot therefore but be influenced in my views on this subject by the observation of the quality of behaviour of the Japanese and considering if there is a connection between the two?
Yes, I would say for humans, fundamentally, over-work is negative eg fertility rates are lower due to economic and behavioural stressors for clear example using numbers and statistics. However, the mindset of the Japanese is so.... to use a word: "Stoic". There is clearly a higher standard in Japanese culture and this manifests in the quality of the people you consistently interview. The culture may have a significant bearing on this outcome.
Equally as a sole-trader business person, I can work long hours at my own work whereas for working for another employer I could never work over-time ever again! Maybe the Japanese culture creates the conditions where the Japanese worker feels equivalent to my own feeling as a sole trader working for myself and thus working very long hours and feeling that is good work? I feel from the comments the made that that might be the kind of feeling expressed in this culture - so different from the West where work is time vs money and input -> output and completely dominated by a materialistic perspective ONLY for good and for bad.
If I was an anthropologist from Mars, I would be fascinated in studying this area under greater scrutiny.
Thank you for the interviews: Overall I felt the lady expressed the overall situation possibly with the most accuracy in her description, with such insight?
If my contract says to work 37.5 hours a week (7.5h a day), that's what I work. I don't work unpaid overtime just because others do.
Very interesting, thanks!
I think this video was good, very informative. I would like to hear from the salarymen who do work 20 hours a day, if possible.
Thank you for your efforts 🙌
Takashii, I really like your interviews, they are very insightful. It would be really cool if you had 2 cameras for your interviews. One camera that looks at you and another that looks at the person your talking to. Thank you for continuing to deliver high quality videos
I'm high risk suicide, early in life I had this ideation for Japan, and wanted to live there. I studied their history, tried to learn the language (my mother kept burning my books and wouldn't pay for a language tutor) so I only know bits and pieces, and like now I still have the same enthusiasm however I don't think I'd be able to live there anymore because of my laziness/mental health issues, I do hope the work environment gets better for the country though!
Edit: your videos are really knowledgeable and helping me learn customs and social queues I didn't know before, thank you!!
Nice to see you back Takahashi-san😎
I remember I had a thought I didn't do you upload for a few days, but then my profile went through some metamorphic shedding but I'm back in the audience at least
This was a very interesting interview Takashii. I personally work Monday-Friday 6:30am to 4:30pm not because I love working long hours. Rather I do it so I can provide for my family and I think that most people who work these extremely long hours do it for a reason and with purpose. I am definitely looking forward to you interviewing someone who has overworked themselves but in the end was able to overcome that hurdle and live their best life.
I love your interviews so much!❤
I’m a foreigner working in Japan too and find your videos quite interesting, thanks for your work on making these kind of videos
Just small advice , in your beginning introduction your pronunciation on the words “ channel “ seemd alittle wrong , you say チャネル which is “chanel” brand actually
The word “channel” should be pronounced as “チャーノ“
Thank you for this takashii.
Takashi thank you so much for your dedication and hard work putting up those videos.
I personally don't think traditional work culture in this society even suits us as human beings. We have little to no time even with a regular 9-5. Where's the space to live and cultivate outside hobbies? I truly don't think life has to be about work and I hope that one day changes. But it probably never will. To think that a tradition 9-5 would be considered a luxury in other countries is depressing. :(
One of the great question to ask. Subarashiii!!!
Great work as usual Takashi. I noticed the difficult, sad ideas of parents losing time with kids was dealt with smiles and laughter, which is known as a coping mechanism in psychology (to mask the real feelings of sadness, pain, frustration, etc. to show real empathy).
Follow-up topic ideas: how do you ask for a raise? With wage stagnation, does no one get a raise ever? Do you have to promote and replace a superior (or grow a new segment of the business?)?
Takashi interviews are really high level. I really appreciate the nuances you can dig out with your questions.
This offered fantastic perspective. Thank you so much for making this.
Quality of work is better than the quantity of work.
I feel much respect for jobs in Japanese culture, but I think that in Japan people have to learn about the balance between work and life. It's sad when parents can't enjoy the company of their children, to watch them to grow up, and build a beautiful family.
its not up to the people, either they unionize or lose their jobs. Same thing happens in the states aka working for Amazon.
Video quality is way too insane man 🔥🔥
I'm still curious to see what the experience of working women in Japan are especially Mothers and Fathers. Is there still an expectation for men to work more then woman? Would love a follow-up with different interviewees.
Great video thanks for sharing!
20 hours a day is mental. There's no amount of money I would do such long hours at work.
I really do love your channel and all the interviews. Having that said I do believe that Japan has a long way till we can see some changes regarding the overworking thing. It's cultural and we do not want to be outcasted. Thank you so very much for your hard work Takashii and by the way you look gorgeous!!!!!
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More than 80 hours a week? You literally just shower and sleep (barely) and then back to wok. That’s definitely too much for anyone. Even as someone in public firm, I think that’s overkill.
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seriously, no wonder so many people don't want to bring children into this hellish life
I'm not surprised it's the lawyer who works the most out of all the interviewees. Lawyers are often overworked in the USA as well (especially in Big Law firms)--that's why they're such a high recidivism rate.
That was a very interesting video about the work culture in Japan. Thanks Takashi!
I wonder how many people feel completely comfortable to publicly talk about this topic in a society with such social pressure.
Iam work in Japan and most people ( in may small company) not go home on time. My work over at 17:10 but most of them go home at 17: 40
Great video!
Japanese people when asked if working long hours is a problem, don't seem to think it is, that it's just the Japanese way of doing things, that Japanese people are culturally hard working and always will be, that it's traditional within companies and even families. This is so wrong, it is dangerous for society, for families and individuals. Leaving the bulk of home duties, child rearing etc., to the female members of the family i.e., the mother is just storing up problems for the future health of the family as a healthy unit. If children rarely see their fathers their relationship with him suffers, if it is always the mother who is left to discipline the child this can be detrimental to their relationship. In many ways they are existing as a single parent family. As the old saying goes, ''all work and no play does indeed make Jack or Jill a dull boy/girl''. Not everyone is cut out to work 80/90 or more hours a week. I'm not surprised the birth rate is declining, I'm surprised there are any births at all, lol.
I like your videos please upload more videos
My friends who move to Japan for work, I always tell them they need to come back if they start feeling sick overwork is no joke. I wish Japanese workers value their health, family, and themselves more. If you have loved ones you need to spend time with them. Time with them is precious.
Thank you for shedding more light on this
Having lived in Tokyo for nearly 5 years, I certainly do feel that some people focus on looking busy, rather than actually getting things done. The younger generation, foreigner-friendly companies and start-ups (which usually involve young people) being the exception.
Great subject. Hopefully work life balance will improve in Japan.
As someone that lives in the US, I work an average of 50+ hours every week. I can say that I do work a lot but my company does not mind the over time unlike most companies around. I feel like it’s based on your priorities if you want to make more money or not.
To your questions, I love my job and I love what I do but there’s just some coworkers that I don’t appreciate because they tend to not work as hard as everyone else.
Anyways I love your content and keep it up!
But you should understand that they don’t get payed extra for working more
what amazes me about the Japanese is their style. They are always so well dressed and look very presentable. The women are beautiful. The men look professional. It's crazy. We wear crocs and sweats to the store.
i‘m currently working on a project for university on this topic. this is perfect timing! thank you so much! great video
When he said he goes home at midnight you looked like you were questioning his existence lol.
it would be interesting if you could interview health care professionals such as physical therapists and doctors.
Yea that would be pretty great. I am Physical Therapist(well just need to finish last few exams) and that's it.
@@Enforcedcraft let me live with you
@@chinavirus841 haha nah I'm not in Japan. I am also curious what is it like working there.
😮I want part 2!!
In a lot of your videos, people mention that Japanese people tend to not say how they truly feel about things. I feel like I finally saw that in this video. I feel like some people weren't truly expressing themselves
Because they show their faces and people might know what company they work for. Only the CEO was honest because he is the CEO obviously. Other workers will hesitate to be truthful in public interviews like this. Heck, I live in Italy and I probably wouldn't be truthful in an interview like this, it could bring lots of potential problems down the road for me, my employer and the people I know/love.
Even in America I wouldn't talk bad about my job on camera. It's just not smart.
Defintely that IT guy, when asked how he felt about his company.
This is a really good topic as I am interested in living and working in Japan.
Takashi, as a westerner from the US, wanting to learn more about what Japan is really like- I find your videos utterly fascinating.
There are so many stereotypes about Japanese culture, and your street interviews are really eye-opening for what life is 'actually' like, even if it's just a glimpse.
Thank you for your content!
I’m a supervisor in California and my staff was requesting so much UNPAID leave that I had to impose limits, and when I called everyone together to break the news one of them actually started crying and another one clutched at her chest as if she was short of breath 😑
When you look at the statistics, Japan isn’t a country that is necessarily overworked. It’s actually similar to countries like Spain or Italy those regards. Countries like the US are statistically more overworked than those in japan. I tend to think it’s a myth carried on from the 90s. Similar to the myth of suicide rates in Japan being high.