It's a really cruel squeeze on american working class men in this time period. Otherwise productive and useful men were traumatized and ostracized, if not outright killed. At that critical time when they could be learning trades, getting their foots in doors, sorting out their lives or starting families, that was all wiped out. No wonder why middle/upper class politics took over in the 80s: these men were left behind.
It's the 2nd worst psychological attack upon men in the history of a war related situation. What's in 1st place? Look up THE ORDER OF THE WHITE FEATHER that happened in England during World War 1. That one takes the cake. Long story short, young women were used to walk around and put white feathers in the shirts / jackets of any men ages 18 - 25 who were not enlisted in the army. The white feather meant the man was a coward and groups of these girls would pop out in multiple waves and keep pressuring every guy with white feathers (some guys would get four or five white feathers thrown at them or put on them whenever they were walking about). It was used to guilt men into enlisting into World War 1 and sadly it was a very effective propaganda mind game. The icing on the cake? A lot of these girls would use the white feathers to put pressure on boyfriends they didn't want around. So the guy would leave for war out of guilt, come back thinking his girlfriend would be waiting for him, but she wouldn't as she would be with someone else and she was hoping that the guy didn't survive the war. This was war propaganda in it's most cruel form.
You didn't mention it by name, but when you wrote this comment, you invoked the "public spitting on veterans" myth. In reality, there were no massive protests specifically targeting veterans during the Vietnam Era; this is an urban legend that was created during the later Reagan era. It can't be proven that NO such protests occurred, but there is no evidence that they were ever widespread.
I hate the people who make fun of the Vietnam soldiers. They fought hard like my grandpa who lost brothers in the war he always said, "old men go to war, young men fight it".
Okay, I have a laugh from time to time about the war, but never do I think the soldiers were unimportant. I have much respect for anybody in the war (a part from native america reftigerster repair men if you know what I mean.)
One of the dumbest quotes of all time. You know how often empires fell or became corrupted over that ideology? Why would you send your leader to a high risk situation? They should be giving strategic orders ensuring everything falls into plan, not foolishly dying in battle, ensuring the demice of your whole empire. It's so stupid how people glorify the past, the present is CLEARLY the best decade to live in. And its honestly not even close.
In Finland there is no lottery, we have 3 options to choose from: military, alternate civilian service or prison. Unless you are Jehovas witness or live in Åland Islands
That is not something that should happen in a free, 1st world nation. By having a draft and forcing people to fight the government is being just as tyrannical as the enemy it claims to fight.
@John Kevin Coming from someone who has kost likely never been in such situation before. If your encircled or the possibility of being overran then surrender is the only option, people don't fight to the death.
@John KevinSeems like you get quite the rush thinking about people getting killed or tortured. I won't kink shame, but until you're in war, you don't get to talk like that. Leave war philosophy to the grown-ups.
No matter what the Selective Service did, the Vietnam War was fought by lower middle class boys from blue collar neighborhoods, minorities (blacks and Latinos), lower class white boys, and most boys from the rural areas of farms and small towns. In my rural area probably at least 95% of the young men served. I was working and going to law school at night. Since I wasn't a full-time student, I was drafted right out of law school into the Marines. I served two years in the Marine Corps. The draft during the Vietnam War was the most corrupt and unfair draft we ever had.
@@joedirago14 i believe the army usually volunteered their units out to the marines . So they werent officaly drafting but they kinda were . Most like this happened to pvt pyle from full metal jacket .
@@harshbansal7982 Marines didn't have a draft. What would happen is that personnel would be drafted into the Army, but then get transferred to the Marine Corps or other services during the MEPS process on a needed basis.
dachicagoan the US could’ve easily won and for every one American soldier dead there were 45-50 dead Vietnamese. It was the public outrage that forced the presidents to send the troops home but the US by no means did “not have a chance “
dachicagoan I’m not agreeing that it’s good but the US wasn’t getting beat like ppl think. Also it wasn’t my math it’s a fact but still if we only lose 20,000 for every 1,000,000 that’s not too shabby. The Russians lost 11 million during ww2
I didn’t want to get drafted and be put into a branch I wouldn’t like. So in ‘68, I joined the Marines, just like my dad did in ‘38. He served in the South Pacific and was discharged in ‘46. I served in Chu Lai 68-69 1st MAW and was discharged in ‘70. My dad passed before my 17th birthday and never saw me go in. I miss you dad.
My grandfather was drafted just two weeks after turning 18, and unbeknownst got my grandmother knocked up on their prom night in understanding they will marry. He died within months while she was still pregnant. My grandmother always wondered how her life would’ve been, and while later on she did get married and had many children after, on her death bed she mentioned the war took the only spark of love she got. In her own way she loved her husband, but she only got married for stability, and for the time it was very taboo to be a very young single mother and her mother pressured her into marriage.
Anybody who calls someone a coward for not fighting and risking their lives in a war they don't support is disgusting. The choice to join the war should be the choice of that individual, nobody else has the right to decide for them. You shouldn't force a man to kill or to die, especially if you wouldn't do either yourself.
Has nothing to do with being a hippie and everything to do with FREEDOM. A FREE man is not forced to do ANYTHING. The original colonists had a VOLUNTEER army to fight the British. You are not a patriot, nor an American unless you understand that fact. Until you do you are just occupying American land "NAVI SEEL".
@@Judicial78 You gotta have in count that the concept of freedom in America is barely a slogan, it's not actual freedom. American society and politics seen through the eyes of a non American are nothing but a circus, it's a not so subtle dictatorship in which the so called freedom is an illusion. Just because you can choose between brands and products or between two political parties that share the same views doesn't mean you have freedom.
I am definitely free. I can go where I please without permission. I can move where I please without permission. I can work where I please, and leave when I please without permission. I can love who I want, when I want, how I want without permission. I can own weapons to defend myself without permission. I can start a business and make money without permission. I can leave the country and travel without permission. Without any extremes, I am certainly a free man in a free society. How do you even remotely figure that I am not a free man?
I was drafted in 1971, (only lottery I ever won), and everyone I was with were inducted into one of the uniformed services. There were maybe seven hundred to one thousand that reported and I didn't see anyone regardless of Race, Color, Creed or religion, nobody got to go home that day. We all left by buses for basic military training that same evening.
My dad got drafted in 1968,he came to this country from central America at a young age. He never talks about his experience ,but he said it was his duty to serve. This country gave him all the opportunities that his country in central America would never have.
back in those days most young men looked at it as if it was just their turn to serve there country.... their fathers served and so did their grand fathers...
id go just cuz im the oldest brother of 3 in my family and i think the rule was that if 1 brother goes the rest does not need to out of keeping the family name
America shold not even have participated in the vietnam war. It was not their war, and they paied a heavy price for participating. But it looks like America didnt learn anything, they are still fighting in wars they sholdnt care about, and they are responsable for the refuge crisis in europa.
South Vietnam was getting invaded by North Vietnam, so South Vietnam asked the States for help. Not to mention that the U.S wanted to contain the communist ideology. Also WW2 was definitely not pointless, a lot of technical advancements were made from that war and it was the most important war in history. Would you have liked to live in an alternate universe where you are slaves to the Nazis? You really need to do research on these topics.
Bill Clinton was, but he was actually a draft dodge and was later pardoned. Trump actually had a reason and was deferred 5 times. 4 for college and 1 medical.
I went through this experience. Got drafted into the Marine Corps. In March 1966 at the Induction Center on Broadway in Los Angeles. They processed us all day long and brought groups of 200 into a large room with long tables as the last step. An orientation talk had started about going to Ft. Ord when a Marine Master Sergeant walked in. They gave him the floor and he announced he was authorized by the Secretary of Defense to take 10% of us into the Marine Corps. He picked through our files and selected the remainder after not getting enough in his initial call for volunteers. 20 of us left with some others for San Diego that night.
My grandfather was almost drafted in the Vietnam War however they kept him back due to him being a Farmer, he later told me a few years before he died that it was the scariest moment of his life as he thought he would never see my grandmother again
My grandfather was drafted in the army during Vietnam and was lucky enough to become a MP and not infantry. If he got infantry I probably wont even be born right now.
TwenWaen lucky lad my teacher told his story about attending all his friends funerals just because he had asthma he couldn't be conscripted but you could see his fear as he continued to talk about how easy this gen has it
My friend told me this story that his dad almost got drafted into Vietnam but since he was married and had children he wouldn’t get drafted. It wasn’t crazy close but I still felt like I should share on his behalf.
That moment when you were forcefully drafted so you could go and fight farmers and invade their country because your government didn't like their economical system.
To be fair right after the war over 600,000 Vietnamese people were sent to "reeducation" camps. Also its not like the Vietnamese government gave a crap about their people either, they had no problem with using civilians as bait. They knew the US soldiers would hesitate.
Joshua Coleman And what does that say? They were willing to help another when it wasn't their issue. It's like giving to the poor, it's not your issue that they're poor but it's a generous act when you give to them. So many US soldiers died in that war their sacrifices were for nothing, they died thinking it was to help someone else and at the very least their citizens won't even honor their sacrifice because it wasn't for you but another country? And also if you think the south didn't need help then just read on what happened right after US pulled out of the war. The north completely dominated them shortly after.
It was the military/industrial complex that really supported the war. War's good business so invest your son. Eisenhower when he left office warned us about the military/industrial complex.
Men who were drafted in WW2 were received as heroes on returning home. Those who were drafted into Vietnam were spat on, reviled, and called "baby killers". Whether they wanted to or not, they served this country, and deserve full respect and honor... With respect from a volunteer veteran.
I never supported that stance but that war was not a just war . We had no role there that could be justified as we were installing puppet leaders to protect cheap access to natural resouces at the detriment of the Viet Namese . This was about exploitation of a third world country , economic subjugation , never the tenets of democracy and freedom .
My grandad was drafted since he was a lower class citizen who immigrated with his parents back in the 40s to the states for a better life he came back home from the war but he had ptsd due to the horrifying time their thankfully he’s in good spirits and is still a good man and grandfather
Many young men enlisted in order to avoid being drafted. My dad was one of those men. Enlisting voluntarily gave them options. They could choose their MOS and branch of service. Draftees were assigned to a branch and MOS. Volunteering wouldn't keep someone out of Vietnam. My dad ended up serving 4 tours with the 101st Airborne. But he was able to choose what branch and MOS he wanted.
Reminds me of someone who graduated from a HS vocational program that offered a major in aircraft maintenance [aircraft oriented community ]. He would have had a choice of military options. He waited for the draft and came home with PTSD.
My grandfather was drafted, hated it from start to finish, lost a friend to a coin toss of what bunker they get that day his friend bunker got a direct hit from mortar fire, he gave all his old army stuff to me, most of it was stolen on the way back from Vietnam, but the stories he tells quite amazing
Arise Proletariat! They just wanted to cut down on the infidelity and divorces, maybe. Nobody to be upset with you for going out and porking a different kid overseas, eh?
So I could get arrested for not wanting to get a blade up my neck by some random soldier In a war I didn't want to go to? Well there go human rights down the drain
I was sitting at home and could care less when the first lotter was televised. You see I already had my draft notice under the old system and was going in a week or so later. By the way I was one of those lucky ones who got drafted into the marines. USMC Dec 1969-Sept 1971
I had a teacher who told the class he had to sign up for the draft and there was a long line. He said he was scared to get drafted so as more guys came he keeped moving to the back of the line. He said most these guys had medical papers with them saying they had a medical condition.He said everyone of them got drafted except for the last 3 guys had he was the third from the back.
The US has had a draft since the end of WWII until 1973. After the Korean War in the mid 1950s all young men were required to do 2 years of military service. Elvis Presley got drafted and served 2 years in the Army as a Tanker before Vietnam. This was the Peace Time Draft to keep the numbers steady in units stateside and overseas during the Cold War.
My uncle had a low draft number when the draft was revised in 1969. Before he was able to get deferment because he was attending school at CWU. Because of his low number he decided to volunteer and was deployed to Vietnam.
My dad got drafted right after he graduated high school in 1967. He served in the U.S. Army in Vietnam up to 1969. When I went to my parents' home & visited, he told me some stories about his military experience when he was in the service. He said it rained constantly over in Vietnam & rewind to basic training, those DIs with the Smokey the Bear hats don't play, & I believe it because I know how strict they are although I've never been in the military. When those lights go on, you have to get up out of your bed fast before those DIs come over to you or else they'll grab you by the ankles & jerk you right out of that bed. Also your bed has to made perfect & if it's not exactly perfectly made when the DIs inspect it, they'd make you run about a mile or so. My grandpa "my dad's dad" served in World War II on the Pacific side & before that, his dad which was my great grandpa served in World War I. RIP Great grandpa & grandpa & thank you'll for you'll's service. 🇺🇸
Both of my grandfathers were drafted in the Vietnam War. They are brave men. Dispite what they went through, they still love this country. I look up to them.
My brother n law was drafted into the Army and was going to go to Canada. He refused to fight in Vietnam. He scored very high on his ASVAB score and the Navy stepped in and sent him to boot camp before he was arrested by the Army. He did 4yrs in the Navy(1968-1972) and was honorably discharged.
Yes the Forgotten War, I've watched a documentary about it because it's just that, forgotten and almost never talked about. But it was still a crazy war in which the lines shifting so many times and probably not discussed because it was between the WW2 and the Vietnam War.
My Grandpa was stationed I. Germany during the Vietnam war, and volunteered to be sent to Vietnam. His sergeant kept delaying the volunteer papers, his platoon was sent back to America. Guess his sergeant didn't want to lose anyone in his platoon...
I was thankful when my number wasn’t picked, but still feel sorry for those poor kids that got sent over to Vietnam. Somehow, we still keep sending our boys into other nation’s conflicts with questionable justification.
My dad was fortunate enough to enlist in the Navy right out of high school almost immediately before the draft because they basically knew it was coming. He definitely had a say in where he was deployed. Ended up on USS shangri la for several years.
I've heard of a lot of guys who joined the Navy and Air Force to avoid being drafted and avoid conflict during Vietnam. A friend told me he enlisted in the Navy as soon as possible in 1966 but basic training was so full they sent him his travel arrangements in 67.
My father almost when to Vietnam, luckily he wasn't drafted but almost got to be, my grandfather said to them "you go out there you're never coming back, you would ignore the bullets"
Sadly, they just gotta do it in an emergency 🙁 Take a look at South Korea, they have conscription because they need to prepare soldiers in case North Korea tries to attack or invade the South.
@@tacosatlarge the US could never actually pull off a draft reinstatement. Too many riots, refusals, and lawsuits. Plus anyone in Congress who supported the draft would lose their reelection, or worse.
Wi-Fi TV...... I never said I support conscription, but countries such as South Korea usually use it for emergencies. But yes, the US reinstating the draft can cause MANY problems like the stuff you mentioned
Genie: What do you wish for Man: I wish i win the lottery Genie:*snap and turn into a drill sergeant* Genie: Congratulations you won the draft Man: Say sike right now
That sounds terrifying. I can’t help but be grateful I was born after all that. If I had been of age back then- they woulda sent me with the ultra quickness.
that's beyond fucked up. we kinda had the same thing here in Argentina, where the 18 year olds who just finished high school were sent to military training. this was during the 80's military dictatorship though, I can't believe this happend in democratic governments
I knew a veterans from viet war. It is sad when he came home, he get spit and harrased by the local police.. Still remember he flee from the police into the woods. And injured bunch of them.. His is John J. Rambo.. Callsign raven..
My dad had to sign up for the draft. Many of his friends went to canada. If his friends wanted to come back they had to do something , I don't remember what. My dad wasn't drafted though! Thank god!
Wow Pow The US never lost a battle at all, and it wasn’t a war, it was a conflict and the enemy casualty rate was 10x higher than the Casualties of the US
@@jasonjuarez5843 We all know that line of thinking, harking to Westmoreland, does not equate to actually winning a war. The Vietnamese were more than prepared to lay down their lives in a war of attrition to earn their hard fought FREEDOM. Calling it a conflict is just a way to convince yourself that the US is somehow impervious to criticism by claiming we never lost a war. We must learn from our mistakes! Not forget them!
@@jasonjuarez5843 The US jumped in to stop communism forming in that country and to set their own dominance. They got kicked out and didn't achieve their goal at all. It's a lost war.
@@KitchenFSink Specifically, to limit the influence of Beijing. However, the ironic thing is that Hanoi didn't want to be a Chinese colony any more than it wanted to be an American colony, and they got to work at kicking out the Chinese as soon as they were done kicking out the Americans. And then, of course, you have the whole reason why all these foreign powers were so darned interested in Vietnam in the first place, which is that Vietnam was the most populous and resource-rich country in SE Asia. Everyone wanted to install their own puppet there who would let them do what they wanted, and then profit off of Vietnam's natural resources while also having its markets open to them for selling crappy, non-competitive consumer goods.
@@archerj.maggott1372 Yep, the US and China wanted to have power over this resource-rich country. Both failed. But the US found other countries for this purpose soon after so it wasn't a big deal though.
1967 was a scary time. College covered you while in school. Upon graduation, you were back on the draft lift. Don Wood of Cedar Falls, IA saw that after teaching for a short time. He followed thru and came back alive.
My father was going to the army in Vietnam but he didn’t want to fight like many other so hi hide behind some boxes and his mother (my grandma) gave him a wet shirt to hold for his mouth because when the army was searching they used pepper spray to make my father sneeze so they would find him. But luckily they never found him so he didn’t need to go to the army and he and his whole family come to Sweden.
Fejk He should have just stayed here and got elected president. That's a Clinton reference btw, you know, the only president we've ever had that actually was a draft dodger.
I WAS DRAFTED RIGHT AFTER HIGH SCHOOL. BUT I ENLISTED IN THE NAVY SINCE YOU HAVE A CHOICE. MY DAD WAS IN THE NAVY DURING THE KOREAN WAR. HE WAS A FROGMAN. I WAS ORDERED ON BOARD THE U.S.S. INDEPENDENCE (CV 62) AIRCRAFT CARRIER.FOR 3 YEARS 1972 TO 1975 SM3 3RD CLASS PETTY OFFICER. GLAD TO HAVE SERVED THIS GREAT COUNTRY AND NATION. UNITED STATES NAVY VETERAN MARIO J. MUCCINO JR.
I remember some years ago read about an American couple who were visiting Canada. They stopped their cat at the border and were talking to the Canadian border guard when one of them asked where the guard came from. Turned out he was originally from the US but moved to Canada to avoid the draft. By the time Jimmy Carter had pardoned all draft dodger this man had a new life in Canada so he did not go back. You have to wonder how many other left the US and never returned.
I'm sure there are stats on that. About 35,000 left, but there are not real stats on how many returned as they know the 35,000 number by how many were served notice and the DOJ kept the stats as they were subject to prosecution until Carter gave them amnesty.
From what I heard during the Vietnam War the Army wasn’t the only branch that you could be drafted to. I have a friend who was drafted into the Air Force during the Vietnam War
My gramps was drafted and fell into a pit of spikes covered in feces. Lost a leg and has sever nerve damage in the left arm and right leg. Must’ve been scary to have been drafted...
Here is a funny story. I grew up at Torrance beach Calif, from 1952 through 1964. My graduating class (64') had about 1,200 boys in it. A lot of us were surfers and explored the California coast. Back then everybody could camp out on the beach, no problem, but there was one, narrow 20 mile section (called blood ally) just below San Clemente on down to Oceanside because it was Camp Pendleton Marine Base, and "you will stay on the road or get busted". My friends and I on occasion would drive up to the back gate and look down on a place called Trestles, and when we saw good perfect waves there, we would do anything to paddle out and just have fun. We had to be very hearty and stealthy to bushwhack through the thickets with these big surfboards, and when we could see the beach, check out the Marine Guards in their Jeeps and their guns. The beach was only about 50' wide so when it came time, we shot out and scrambled into the ocean, leaving behind a bunch Marine MP's screaming at us to get out, and pointing their guns at us. We knew it was public water (except for landing exercises) and the MP's didn't want to get wet, so sometimes we would surf all day, and it drove them crazy, especially when we could sneak past them again and go home. So here's the funny part. Word must have got out to LBJ of our exploits and evasions, and he said to his generals, "I'll get those surfer bums, I'll draft them all and send them to Vietnam. He did exactly that, and all up and down the coast all 1964-65 graduates were "drafted", no numbers, so 1,200 or so of us, being patriots, found ourselves in boot camps. A great song and movie for this is Alice's Restaurant, . ruclips.net/video/m57gzA2JCcM/видео.html. . An irony and funny thing was when I got to Vietnam the air base I was sent to was right on the beach, and guarded by the great General Schwarzkopf, go figure, pure luck. The CBEE's had a hooch and a surfboard so of course I paddled on occasion. Irony, I met the general in 93' when I got to plumb his house in Telluride, we had a kick and he said that we were safer in Chu Lai than back in the states. You-all should listen to him speak on, "leadership", . ruclips.net/video/WDR6BNqpck8/видео.html. . I went to drill a plumbing hole and he came out and said, "you're not going to hurt my house are you"? He also yelled at his dogs as they were running towards me, "don't eat my plumber!". He was a giant "bear hunting man", and a man of dogs, and so funny. We miss him. I say funny story , but it sure wasn't funny to our parents, it was an outright dagger to their hearts. They were already outraged, as just a few years before, our president, was carefully and brutally assassinated (head blown up) on live tv, many others died in the aftermath. Sorry for rambling, but thanks for letting me bend your ear.
A moment of silence for the young men forced to there deaths well people who wanted the war sat behind desks
They should have it so if you want war you must sign up to battle no matter your age give your life instead
And then got spat on by hippies and other college students
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It is still going in Russia
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Otherwise agreed.
Male Teenager: *graduates high school*
The Military: *You're going to be a soldier*
This is Dark
Keep it at 69
Teenager: No thank you I'm going to be a doctor instead. I want to help people not kill them.
Being drafted at a young age is scary... like you don’t have a spouse and your first child yet. 2 important things in life
@@tacosatlarge Nope, I couldn't care less for a child, nor if I ever get a spouse.
Imagine that if you dodge draft, people call you coward and if you don't dodge the draft and survive the war, people call you baby killer.
Humans are cowards otherwise humans wouldn’t exist we would be dead
It's a really cruel squeeze on american working class men in this time period.
Otherwise productive and useful men were traumatized and ostracized, if not outright killed. At that critical time when they could be learning trades, getting their foots in doors, sorting out their lives or starting families, that was all wiped out.
No wonder why middle/upper class politics took over in the 80s: these men were left behind.
It's the 2nd worst psychological attack upon men in the history of a war related situation. What's in 1st place? Look up THE ORDER OF THE WHITE FEATHER that happened in England during World War 1. That one takes the cake. Long story short, young women were used to walk around and put white feathers in the shirts / jackets of any men ages 18 - 25 who were not enlisted in the army. The white feather meant the man was a coward and groups of these girls would pop out in multiple waves and keep pressuring every guy with white feathers (some guys would get four or five white feathers thrown at them or put on them whenever they were walking about). It was used to guilt men into enlisting into World War 1 and sadly it was a very effective propaganda mind game. The icing on the cake? A lot of these girls would use the white feathers to put pressure on boyfriends they didn't want around. So the guy would leave for war out of guilt, come back thinking his girlfriend would be waiting for him, but she wouldn't as she would be with someone else and she was hoping that the guy didn't survive the war. This was war propaganda in it's most cruel form.
Imagine being afraid to fight babys
You didn't mention it by name, but when you wrote this comment, you invoked the "public spitting on veterans" myth. In reality, there were no massive protests specifically targeting veterans during the Vietnam Era; this is an urban legend that was created during the later Reagan era. It can't be proven that NO such protests occurred, but there is no evidence that they were ever widespread.
yeah you know why we're here
Ely Moji yes and war stuff has been popping up everywhere lmao
Aesthetic_ Dude yup
I was searching for this lol Hopefully it won't go that far
WW3 WOOP WOOP
I don't think the name WWIII would fit as 1 and 2 were directly correlated with each other. This would be over 100 years after WWI ended.
I hate the people who make fun of the Vietnam soldiers. They fought hard like my grandpa who lost brothers in the war he always said, "old men go to war, young men fight it".
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Okay, I have a laugh from time to time about the war, but never do I think the soldiers were unimportant. I have much respect for anybody in the war (a part from native america reftigerster repair men if you know what I mean.)
"Imagine a king who fights his own battles, wouldn't that be a sight."-Achilles (Troy)
Leonidas, Alexander the Great, Richard the Lionheart, Trajan, Frederick the Great: You called US?
One of the dumbest quotes of all time. You know how often empires fell or became corrupted over that ideology? Why would you send your leader to a high risk situation? They should be giving strategic orders ensuring everything falls into plan, not foolishly dying in battle, ensuring the demice of your whole empire. It's so stupid how people glorify the past, the present is CLEARLY the best decade to live in. And its honestly not even close.
@@ismaelsarabia405 it's a quote from an inaccurate movie. Dont get your panties in a bunch.
Spartan King leonidas :Am i a joke to u !
@@alfredjodl6168 Charles the XII of Sweden, Gustav Adolphus.
Jesus the lottery to see if you would be sent off to war must of been terrifying... reminds me of the hunger games lottery aswell
It is still in Russia. But without lottery
Same thing in China, but without lottery as well. lol
In Finland there is no lottery, we have 3 options to choose from: military, alternate civilian service or prison. Unless you are Jehovas witness or live in Åland Islands
@@Omglolleri military draft is aweful in any case
That is not something that should happen in a free, 1st world nation. By having a draft and forcing people to fight the government is being just as tyrannical as the enemy it claims to fight.
The draft is the worst means of recruiting. The conscripts will have lower morale and be more likely to desert or surrender.
Andrew Ince Still has its uses when you need to fill ranks. Even in WW2 many soldiers had to be drafted.
Majority of Americas in ww2 had better moral since pearl harbor.
Or commit "fragging".
@John Kevin Coming from someone who has kost likely never been in such situation before. If your encircled or the possibility of being overran then surrender is the only option, people don't fight to the death.
@John KevinSeems like you get quite the rush thinking about people getting killed or tortured. I won't kink shame, but until you're in war, you don't get to talk like that. Leave war philosophy to the grown-ups.
No matter what the Selective Service did, the Vietnam War was fought by lower middle class boys from blue collar neighborhoods, minorities (blacks and Latinos), lower class white boys, and most boys from the rural areas of farms and small towns. In my rural area probably at least 95% of the young men served. I was working and going to law school at night. Since I wasn't a full-time student, I was drafted right out of law school into the Marines. I served two years in the Marine Corps. The draft during the Vietnam War was the most corrupt and unfair draft we ever had.
Robert Lytle thank you for your service
Didn’t know that marines drafted
@@joedirago14 i believe the army usually volunteered their units out to the marines . So they werent officaly drafting but they kinda were . Most like this happened to pvt pyle from full metal jacket .
@@harshbansal7982 Marines didn't have a draft. What would happen is that personnel would be drafted into the Army, but then get transferred to the Marine Corps or other services during the MEPS process on a needed basis.
Tao Liu yes but that transfer wasn’t voluntary thought right ?
My uncle was one of those Americans who were rejected from the draft. He told me he was glad because he lost many friends during the war.
Alonzo Aldaba coward
@@KnightCaperYT Killing the dirty communists is never useless !
My grandpa was drafted, but he had a lazy eye so he was physcially unfit.
dachicagoan the US could’ve easily won and for every one American soldier dead there were 45-50 dead Vietnamese. It was the public outrage that forced the presidents to send the troops home but the US by no means did “not have a chance “
dachicagoan I’m not agreeing that it’s good but the US wasn’t getting beat like ppl think. Also it wasn’t my math it’s a fact but still if we only lose 20,000 for every 1,000,000 that’s not too shabby. The Russians lost 11 million during ww2
I didn’t want to get drafted and be put into a branch I wouldn’t like. So in ‘68, I joined the Marines, just like my dad did in ‘38. He served in the South Pacific and was discharged in ‘46. I served in Chu Lai 68-69 1st MAW and was discharged in ‘70. My dad passed before my 17th birthday and never saw me go in. I miss you dad.
What was it like in Chu Lai in 68-69?
Did you ever leave Vietnam in that time and get R&R outside of the country at all? If so where?
RIP to your father
My dad was in chu li 69-71. Respect to you sir
Welcome Home, Sir.
I joined Air Guard to avoid that stupid fiasco.
Kid: *graduates high school*
Uncle Sam: it’s free real estate
I would have dressed up as a woman so i couldn't have been drafted, I don't have the courage for that anyways.
@@shyguy9102 you think that would work? I mean it was the 60s but didn't they have people's info back then?
That lottery system looks like the hunger games
War is a spectator sport for the rich.
@@ianto8823 they alway been watching since the civil war
@@ianto8823 dude that's sick
Wouldn't be surprised if the author took inspiration from the military draft.
The moment you force people to fight in war, you lose any moral high ground you may have possessed
A matter of circumstances, I think.
By that logic Ukrainian government lost the high ground long ago
My grandfather was drafted just two weeks after turning 18, and unbeknownst got my grandmother knocked up on their prom night in understanding they will marry. He died within months while she was still pregnant. My grandmother always wondered how her life would’ve been, and while later on she did get married and had many children after, on her death bed she mentioned the war took the only spark of love she got.
In her own way she loved her husband, but she only got married for stability, and for the time it was very taboo to be a very young single mother and her mother pressured her into marriage.
Anybody who calls someone a coward for not fighting and risking their lives in a war they don't support is disgusting. The choice to join the war should be the choice of that individual,
nobody else has the right to decide for them. You shouldn't force a man to kill or to die, especially if you wouldn't do either yourself.
Weebus Metalicus Human society rarely works like that however.
Has nothing to do with being a hippie and everything to do with FREEDOM. A FREE man is not forced to do ANYTHING. The original colonists had a VOLUNTEER army to fight the British. You are not a patriot, nor an American unless you understand that fact. Until you do you are just occupying American land "NAVI SEEL".
@@Judicial78 You gotta have in count that the concept of freedom in America is barely a slogan, it's not actual freedom. American society and politics seen through the eyes of a non American are nothing but a circus, it's a not so subtle dictatorship in which the so called freedom is an illusion. Just because you can choose between brands and products or between two political parties that share the same views doesn't mean you have freedom.
I am definitely free. I can go where I please without permission. I can move where I please without permission. I can work where I please, and leave when I please without permission. I can love who I want, when I want, how I want without permission. I can own weapons to defend myself without permission. I can start a business and make money without permission. I can leave the country and travel without permission. Without any extremes, I am certainly a free man in a free society. How do you even remotely figure that I am not a free man?
Carlos Clavijo haha buddy sure if you’re a European that’s funny cuz all anybody ever see is more and more freedoms being taken away
Since we are talking about the vietnam war, i would like to see a video about the many usage of Helicopters in the war
Captain23rd Gaming like 10
you won't see that on this channel. look up military history visualized if you want that kind of information
dont forget Operation Frequent Wind! lots of helicopters pulling out of Saigon!
There should be "Ride of the Valkyries" playing in the background
Shiladitya Talukder YES
Simple history in 30 years:
*world war 3 draft*
See you in prison fellas
Butt MUH BONE SPURS
@@JustAnotherNamelessGuy isn't that what the American president said as his reason to not get drafted?
there will not be a draft anytime soon
But in chinesse language
Anyone here after US just attacked Iranian military leaders?
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I was drafted in 1971, (only lottery I ever won), and everyone I was with were inducted into one of the uniformed services. There were maybe seven hundred to one thousand that reported and I didn't see anyone regardless of Race, Color, Creed or religion, nobody got to go home that day. We all left by buses for basic military training that same evening.
As a Mexican I can just go back there
Bp
I had the same experience in 1972.
My dad got drafted in 1968,he came to this country from central America at a young age. He never talks about his experience ,but he said it was his duty to serve. This country gave him all the opportunities that his country in central America would never have.
I would’ve dipped out of my town faster than leaving my girl’s house after her mother gets home. That draft sounded terrifying.
back in those days most young men looked at it as if it was just their turn to serve there country.... their fathers served and so did their grand fathers...
id go just cuz im the oldest brother of 3 in my family and i think the rule was that if 1 brother goes the rest does not need to out of keeping the family name
The Vietnam war accomplished nothing if you went to fight in that war you are nothing more than a gullible fool
lithium bet ur not even american
America shold not even have participated in the vietnam war. It was not their war, and they paied a heavy price for participating. But it looks like America didnt learn anything, they are still fighting in wars they sholdnt care about, and they are responsable for the refuge crisis in europa.
Any male: *is 18*
Recruiter at their graduation ceremony: *laughs in “have you thought about your future?*
Watching so I can learn how to get out of fighting in Iran in 2020
Colin Campbell Music LOL TRUE
Somehow we get this recommended ooof
Tell em you have heel spurs. Oh, and be rich.
If the U.S. started a war with Iran, Iran would be run into the ground in two days without nukes. You don’t have to worry about any draft.
Sometimes war is a game, other times it is inevitable.
God, what a needless and pointless war for this country to get involved in, ESPECIALLY for that long. All those lives lost, and for WHAT in the end?
All wars are pointless and stupid. Including WW2.
@0 0 not to mention the technical advancements that came from WW2.
South Vietnam was getting invaded by North Vietnam, so South Vietnam asked the States for help. Not to mention that the U.S wanted to contain the communist ideology. Also WW2 was definitely not pointless, a lot of technical advancements were made from that war and it was the most important war in history. Would you have liked to live in an alternate universe where you are slaves to the Nazis? You really need to do research on these topics.
For Communism to be destroyed duh.
@@Jimmy-lm2eg - Communism was alive and doing well when WW2 ended. It's still thriving in parts of Asia today.
wont see a rich man drafted...
KillRoy WasHere like trump
Bill Clinton was, but he was actually a draft dodge and was later pardoned. Trump actually had a reason and was deferred 5 times. 4 for college and 1 medical.
"Bone Spurs"
MUH RICH
Fortunate Son by Creedance Clearwater Revival
I went through this experience. Got drafted into the Marine Corps. In March 1966 at the Induction Center on Broadway in Los Angeles.
They processed us all day long and brought groups of 200 into a large room with long tables as the last step.
An orientation talk had started about going to Ft. Ord when a Marine Master Sergeant walked in. They gave him the floor and he announced he was authorized by the Secretary of Defense to take 10% of us into the Marine Corps. He picked through our files and selected the remainder after not getting enough in his initial call for volunteers. 20 of us left with some others for San Diego that night.
My grandfather was almost drafted in the Vietnam War however they kept him back due to him being a Farmer, he later told me a few years before he died that it was the scariest moment of his life as he thought he would never see my grandmother again
My grandfather was drafted in the army during Vietnam and was lucky enough to become a MP and not infantry. If he got infantry I probably wont even be born right now.
TwenWaen lucky lad my teacher told his story about attending all his friends funerals just because he had asthma he couldn't be conscripted but you could see his fear as he continued to talk about how easy this gen has it
Deustileaf honestly there will probably be another big war for this generation to fight
Revan Its called ignorance m8
The next is big fight is ignorance
My Grandfather was a helicopter gunner
My friend told me this story that his dad almost got drafted into Vietnam but since he was married and had children he wouldn’t get drafted. It wasn’t crazy close but I still felt like I should share on his behalf.
That moment when you were forcefully drafted so you could go and fight farmers and invade their country because your government didn't like their economical system.
To be fair right after the war over 600,000 Vietnamese people were sent to "reeducation" camps. Also its not like the Vietnamese government gave a crap about their people either, they had no problem with using civilians as bait. They knew the US soldiers would hesitate.
"Invade their country" ? The north was invading the south and America was trying to defend it
That moment you forget when there were two Vietnams and that the US was actually helping one of the other Vietnams.
@@emorynguyen1583 Did South Vietnam even ask for our help? I fucking doubt it!
Joshua Coleman And what does that say? They were willing to help another when it wasn't their issue. It's like giving to the poor, it's not your issue that they're poor but it's a generous act when you give to them. So many US soldiers died in that war their sacrifices were for nothing, they died thinking it was to help someone else and at the very least their citizens won't even honor their sacrifice because it wasn't for you but another country? And also if you think the south didn't need help then just read on what happened right after US pulled out of the war. The north completely dominated them shortly after.
This war was disgusting. Shame we lost so many good men to a war fought for corporate bankers.
IceColdMeat Or a war to stop the south from being taken by the north?
Wasn't any of the U.S.'s business to stop it.
It was the military/industrial complex that really supported the war. War's good business so invest your son. Eisenhower when he left office warned us about the military/industrial complex.
@@demanischaffer ah yes saving the poor corrupt puppet government
@@demanischafferThe US were intrested in stopping communism
Men who were drafted in WW2 were received as heroes on returning home. Those who were drafted into Vietnam were spat on, reviled, and called "baby killers". Whether they wanted to or not, they served this country, and deserve full respect and honor... With respect from a volunteer veteran.
If I was these men and someone spat at as a drafted soldier
Returning home i would literally kill that person with no remorse
I agree, all those who were drafted should be respected and honored. All except those who committed war crimes against the Vietnamese civilians
I never supported that stance but that war was not a just war . We had no role there that could be justified as we were installing puppet leaders to protect cheap access to natural resouces at the detriment of the Viet Namese . This was about exploitation of a third world country , economic subjugation , never the tenets of democracy and freedom .
did america win the war? just asking
@@thatoneguywholikesanime5870 not by themselves , they didn't
I heard alot of people tried to get into the Coast Guard to avoid the war, but ended up fighting in it anyway during Operation Market Time.
My grandad was drafted since he was a lower class citizen who immigrated with his parents back in the 40s to the states for a better life he came back home from the war but he had ptsd due to the horrifying time their thankfully he’s in good spirits and is still a good man and grandfather
Many young men enlisted in order to avoid being drafted. My dad was one of those men. Enlisting voluntarily gave them options. They could choose their MOS and branch of service. Draftees were assigned to a branch and MOS. Volunteering wouldn't keep someone out of Vietnam. My dad ended up serving 4 tours with the 101st Airborne. But he was able to choose what branch and MOS he wanted.
Reminds me of someone who graduated from a HS vocational program that offered a major in aircraft maintenance [aircraft oriented community ]. He would have had a choice of military options. He waited for the draft and came home with PTSD.
My grandfather was drafted, hated it from start to finish, lost a friend to a coin toss of what bunker they get that day his friend bunker got a direct hit from mortar fire, he gave all his old army stuff to me, most of it was stolen on the way back from Vietnam, but the stories he tells quite amazing
Forest Gump
Forest gump what?
Super Nintendo Chalmers are you serious
Setharoonies S
What about the character forest gump has to do with this video?
Super Nintendo Chalmers Forest Gump fought in the Vietnam war
He volunteered bro
OH NO WHY IS THIS BEING RECOMMENDED TO ME IN 2020
Because you going soon son
we’re going to be deployed soon
Now get out there, show them the power MURICA!
Arekkusu Tsuki get the nerf guns
Why'd yah think?
Vietnam flashbacks
Full Metal Jacket
*Plays Vietnam-themed song*
Sviatoslav S. *surfing bird song plays*
More flashbacks.
Apocalypse now.
"The horror.... the horror..."
*This is the end... beautiful friend, the end*
"Johnny, Johnny, Johnnnnnnnnnny!" - Principal Skinner
Sviatoslav S. good bye my sweetheart, Hello Vietnaaaaaammmmm
*fortunate son plays*
You can't really call on a draft to a war that's not fought for the freedom of YOUR people. Nobody really wants to go out to fight for other people.
the Draft worked in the US in World War Two
japanese bombed pearl harbour, so they had a reason to think it was their war too. also great depression.
probably because of how late we joined in
Simply give them drugs that eliminate things like fear and exhaustion.
It worked really well in the invasions of Poland and France during WW2.
SV was a dictatorship, so what freedom?
I was a junior in high school. The Dean of Students announced the end of the draft over the intercom. It was a great day!!
Men who are married with children.
Cool
Questionable Ethics
Anarcho-capitalism intesifies
They didn't want pedos in the army
Я даже Не знаю They were up against a force with child soldiers; they didn't want to sink their reputation even deeper than it already was.
Arise Proletariat! They just wanted to cut down on the infidelity and divorces, maybe. Nobody to be upset with you for going out and porking a different kid overseas, eh?
So I could get arrested for not wanting to get a blade up my neck by some random soldier In a war I didn't want to go to? Well there go human rights down the drain
Most countries still induct.
But then again, it makes sense to support a country and sacrifice your lives for providing the rights in the first place
level 3 gay a country that takes the rights and lives of other countries that they have no buisness with?
Uh no thanks
Exactly why humans actually became normal when the Berlin wall fell, after that humans were done being a bunch of idiots
@@honkhonk8009 So I'm post to die over that America but most of the Vietnam people who want nah I'm good
We just got a letter
We just got a letter
We just got a letter
I wonder who it’s from
DRAFT NOTICE
*IT AIN'T ME, IT AIN'T ME...*
Only good thing to come from the war is the music.
Fortunate Son by Credence Clearwater Revival
SOME FOLKS ARE BORN
MADE TO WAVE THE FLAG
*It's you*
I’d be scared shitless watching the “lottery” as an 18 year old.
I was born on September 14th. If I was around at that time, I would have been among the first to go.
I was sitting at home and could care less when the first lotter was televised. You see I already had my draft notice under the old system and was going in a week or so later. By the way I was one of those lucky ones who got drafted into the marines. USMC Dec 1969-Sept 1971
Preparing to avoid the draft for WW3
Literally why I'm here. Making sure I can help my friends avoid it 🤣😭😭😭
SpamN Eggs you can’t get drafted anymore
@@monkhead7217 that's not entirely true
Same, gonna break my legs if necessary
Im injured so im good but if i get drafted then i get drafted which is fucked up im almost done with school and had career plans.
My Uncle Fought in the Vietnam War and I believe he was one of the volunteers and was in the Tet Offensive.
Is that the title of a book or something?
Samuel Boss Did he survive?
I had a teacher who told the class he had to sign up for the draft and there was a long line. He said he was scared to get drafted so as more guys came he keeped moving to the back of the line. He said most these guys had medical papers with them saying they had a medical condition.He said everyone of them got drafted except for the last 3 guys had he was the third from the back.
Some 18 yr old: I would kill for a tuition
Us Government: You will?
Actually the draft ended on the person's 26th birthday.
@@janefelix3821 Oh.
@@janefelix3821 FIxed it
The US has had a draft since the end of WWII until 1973. After the Korean War in the mid 1950s all young men were required to do 2 years of military service. Elvis Presley got drafted and served 2 years in the Army as a Tanker before Vietnam. This was the Peace Time Draft to keep the numbers steady in units stateside and overseas during the Cold War.
My uncle had a low draft number when the draft was revised in 1969. Before he was able to get deferment because he was attending school at CWU. Because of his low number he decided to volunteer and was deployed to Vietnam.
My dad got drafted right after he graduated high school in 1967. He served in the U.S. Army in Vietnam up to 1969. When I went to my parents' home & visited, he told me some stories about his military experience when he was in the service. He said it rained constantly over in Vietnam & rewind to basic training, those DIs with the Smokey the Bear hats don't play, & I believe it because I know how strict they are although I've never been in the military. When those lights go on, you have to get up out of your bed fast before those DIs come over to you or else they'll grab you by the ankles & jerk you right out of that bed. Also your bed has to made perfect & if it's not exactly perfectly made when the DIs inspect it, they'd make you run about a mile or so. My grandpa "my dad's dad" served in World War II on the Pacific side & before that, his dad which was my great grandpa served in World War I. RIP Great grandpa & grandpa & thank you'll for you'll's service. 🇺🇸
Both of my grandfathers were drafted in the Vietnam War. They are brave men. Dispite what they went through, they still love this country. I look up to them.
Can you do a video about the spanish civil war?
That would be interesting
There are countless Spanish civil war videos on youtube
vladimir putin but simple history does it better
vladimir putin And there are countless videos on Vietnam
About to have a second one over there if you guys ain't careful
My brother n law was drafted into the Army and was going to go to Canada. He refused to fight in Vietnam. He scored very high on his ASVAB score and the Navy stepped in and sent him to boot camp before he was arrested by the Army. He did 4yrs in the Navy(1968-1972) and was honorably discharged.
Future video
WW3 Draft
You guys should Do the Korean war!
Korean war 1950 or 2017 kek
Maybe I'm the dragonborn and just don't know yet
Korean war technically never ended sooo be hard to rap up that chapter
not really, just talk about the part with armed conflict
Yes the Forgotten War, I've watched a documentary about it because it's just that, forgotten and almost never talked about. But it was still a crazy war in which the lines shifting so many times and probably not discussed because it was between the WW2 and the Vietnam War.
My Grandpa was stationed I. Germany during the Vietnam war, and volunteered to be sent to Vietnam. His sergeant kept delaying the volunteer papers, his platoon was sent back to America. Guess his sergeant didn't want to lose anyone in his platoon...
I was thankful when my number wasn’t picked, but still feel sorry for those poor kids that got sent over to Vietnam. Somehow, we still keep sending our boys into other nation’s conflicts with questionable justification.
My dad was fortunate enough to enlist in the Navy right out of high school almost immediately before the draft because they basically knew it was coming. He definitely had a say in where he was deployed. Ended up on USS shangri la for several years.
I've heard of a lot of guys who joined the Navy and Air Force to avoid being drafted and avoid conflict during Vietnam. A friend told me he enlisted in the Navy as soon as possible in 1966 but basic training was so full they sent him his travel arrangements in 67.
The draft is slavery.
@@craidsaber5986 Yes. I'd sooner be put in prison or executed than fight in a corrupt war for a corrupt government.
luke stynes you’d rather get executed than fight in a war which had a high survival rate?
@@craidsaber5986 Said the corrupt sheep!
Tommy Emmens How was Vietnam a threat to American sovereignty?
@@VMohdude- source?
One of my high school teachers wanted to volunteer for military service back then, but the war was over by the time they actually accepted him
70 years old got drafted Fort Polk Tigerland graduate guess where I headed off to it was a rough one I survived but I would do it again
My father almost when to Vietnam, luckily he wasn't drafted but almost got to be, my grandfather said to them "you go out there you're never coming back, you would ignore the bullets"
Conscription should be illegal
Mike Anderson 2002 no sorry
If it was I'd just break my own foot. Can't be in a war if you're on crutches lol
Sadly, they just gotta do it in an emergency 🙁 Take a look at South Korea, they have conscription because they need to prepare soldiers in case North Korea tries to attack or invade the South.
@@tacosatlarge the US could never actually pull off a draft reinstatement. Too many riots, refusals, and lawsuits. Plus anyone in Congress who supported the draft would lose their reelection, or worse.
Wi-Fi TV...... I never said I support conscription, but countries such as South Korea usually use it for emergencies.
But yes, the US reinstating the draft can cause MANY problems like the stuff you mentioned
If I had to be drafted, I would just flee to Mexico since is just a five hour drive from Houston, we’re I live.
My dad was one of those that were drafted. Thank God he survived and came home otherwise I wouldn’t be here.
Genie: What do you wish for
Man: I wish i win the lottery
Genie:*snap and turn into a drill sergeant*
Genie: Congratulations you won the draft
Man: Say sike right now
That sounds terrifying. I can’t help but be grateful I was born after all that. If I had been of age back then- they woulda sent me with the ultra quickness.
My father served in Vietnam but wasnt drafted. He volunteered due to personal reasons. He wasnt drafted because he was the only child of the family.
that's beyond fucked up. we kinda had the same thing here in Argentina, where the 18 year olds who just finished high school were sent to military training. this was during the 80's military dictatorship though, I can't believe this happend in democratic governments
I knew a veterans from viet war. It is sad when he came home, he get spit and harrased by the local police.. Still remember he flee from the police into the woods. And injured bunch of them.. His is John J. Rambo.. Callsign raven..
The "Draft" is as unAmerican as it gets!
Just like slavery, I'm embarrassed that we as a free country ever had it.
It´s in the Constitution... It´s unfair cause it´s only for men.
The Founding Fathers would be disgusted.
What's "American" then? LOL.
The draft lottery sounds like the hunger games 💀
Sigh… welcome back boys
My dad had to sign up for the draft. Many of his friends went to canada. If his friends wanted to come back they had to do something , I don't remember what. My dad wasn't drafted though! Thank god!
All they had to do was wait for President Ford to pardon them.
USA in Vietnam war, perfect example of “winning the
Battle, but losing the war.”
Wow Pow The US never lost a battle at all, and it wasn’t a war, it was a conflict and the enemy casualty rate was 10x higher than the Casualties of the US
@@jasonjuarez5843 We all know that line of thinking, harking to Westmoreland, does not equate to actually winning a war. The Vietnamese were more than prepared to lay down their lives in a war of attrition to earn their hard fought FREEDOM. Calling it a conflict is just a way to convince yourself that the US is somehow impervious to criticism by claiming we never lost a war. We must learn from our mistakes! Not forget them!
@@jasonjuarez5843 The US jumped in to stop communism forming in that country and to set their own dominance. They got kicked out and didn't achieve their goal at all. It's a lost war.
@@KitchenFSink Specifically, to limit the influence of Beijing. However, the ironic thing is that Hanoi didn't want to be a Chinese colony any more than it wanted to be an American colony, and they got to work at kicking out the Chinese as soon as they were done kicking out the Americans.
And then, of course, you have the whole reason why all these foreign powers were so darned interested in Vietnam in the first place, which is that Vietnam was the most populous and resource-rich country in SE Asia. Everyone wanted to install their own puppet there who would let them do what they wanted, and then profit off of Vietnam's natural resources while also having its markets open to them for selling crappy, non-competitive consumer goods.
@@archerj.maggott1372 Yep, the US and China wanted to have power over this resource-rich country. Both failed. But the US found other countries for this purpose soon after so it wasn't a big deal though.
1967 was a scary time. College covered you while in school. Upon graduation, you were back on the draft lift. Don Wood of Cedar Falls, IA saw that after teaching for a short time. He followed thru and came back alive.
My father was going to the army in Vietnam but he didn’t want to fight like many other so hi hide behind some boxes and his mother (my grandma) gave him a wet shirt to hold for his mouth because when the army was searching they used pepper spray to make my father sneeze so they would find him. But luckily they never found him so he didn’t need to go to the army and he and his whole family come to Sweden.
Fejk
He should have just stayed here and got elected president. That's a Clinton reference btw, you know, the only president we've ever had that actually was a draft dodger.
Yeah okay. "Bone Spurs"
This is how to make good content
I WAS DRAFTED RIGHT AFTER HIGH SCHOOL. BUT I ENLISTED IN THE NAVY SINCE YOU HAVE A CHOICE. MY DAD WAS IN THE NAVY DURING THE KOREAN WAR. HE WAS A FROGMAN. I WAS ORDERED ON BOARD THE U.S.S. INDEPENDENCE (CV 62) AIRCRAFT CARRIER.FOR 3 YEARS 1972 TO 1975 SM3 3RD CLASS PETTY OFFICER. GLAD TO HAVE SERVED THIS GREAT COUNTRY AND NATION. UNITED STATES NAVY VETERAN MARIO J. MUCCINO JR.
I went Navy but there was a 6 month waiting list. My friends went national guard a long waiting list for that
cat 11 THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, BROTHER VETERAN
I feel the same way proud to serve. USS Oklahoma City CLG-5
WHY ARE YOU SCREAMING
i refuse to fight for this messed up country. throw me in prison
why did everyone's uncle fight in the vietnam war
XD So true
It's either grandpa's, uncle's or your own dad
I remember some years ago read about an American couple who were visiting Canada. They stopped their cat at the border and were talking to the Canadian border guard when one of them asked where the guard came from. Turned out he was originally from the US but moved to Canada to avoid the draft. By the time Jimmy Carter had pardoned all draft dodger this man had a new life in Canada so he did not go back.
You have to wonder how many other left the US and never returned.
I'm sure there are stats on that. About 35,000 left, but there are not real stats on how many returned as they know the 35,000 number by how many were served notice and the DOJ kept the stats as they were subject to prosecution until Carter gave them amnesty.
"It takes a free people to free a country!" Dr. Ron Paul
*video shows up in my recomendad as wwiii is about to begin*
me: “why do i hear boss music”
Me: why I do I read unoriginal comments
How was this even legal? Isn’t it a violation of human rights to force people to kill other people against their own will?
From what I heard during the Vietnam War the Army wasn’t the only branch that you could be drafted to. I have a friend who was drafted into the Air Force during the Vietnam War
My gramps was drafted and fell into a pit of spikes covered in feces. Lost a leg and has sever nerve damage in the left arm and right leg. Must’ve been scary to have been drafted...
There is no way I’d honor a draft notice
Last time I was this early Germany just invaded Belgium and Britain got involved
World War 1? Cause WW2 started with germany invading poland. So ya before you were born Soviet Union.
Yay what do i win?
US government: a trip to Vietnam
U.S. Americans: A chance to fight communism.
I recall a saying "We are the unwilling, led by the unqualified, to do the unnecessary for the ungrateful!"
2:15 I am born on september 14 so if i was in 60s i would be drafted
Such an interesting video:D
Here is a funny story. I grew up at Torrance beach Calif, from 1952 through 1964. My graduating class (64') had about 1,200 boys in it. A lot of us were surfers and explored the California coast. Back then everybody could camp out on the beach, no problem, but there was one, narrow 20 mile section (called blood ally) just below San Clemente on down to Oceanside because it was Camp Pendleton Marine Base, and "you will stay on the road or get busted". My friends and I on occasion would drive up to the back gate and look down on a place called Trestles, and when we saw good perfect waves there, we would do anything to paddle out and just have fun. We had to be very hearty and stealthy to bushwhack through the thickets with these big surfboards, and when we could see the beach, check out the Marine Guards in their Jeeps and their guns. The beach was only about 50' wide so when it came time, we shot out and scrambled into the ocean, leaving behind a bunch Marine MP's screaming at us to get out, and pointing their guns at us.
We knew it was public water (except for landing exercises) and the MP's didn't want to get wet, so sometimes we would surf all day, and it drove them crazy, especially when we could sneak past them again and go home. So here's the funny part. Word must have got out to LBJ of our exploits and evasions, and he said to his generals, "I'll get those surfer bums, I'll draft them all and send them to Vietnam. He did exactly that, and all up and down the coast all 1964-65 graduates were "drafted", no numbers, so 1,200 or so of us, being patriots, found ourselves in boot camps. A great song and movie for this is Alice's Restaurant,
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An irony and funny thing was when I got to Vietnam the air base I was sent to was right on the beach, and guarded by the great General Schwarzkopf, go figure, pure luck. The CBEE's had a hooch and a surfboard so of course I paddled on occasion. Irony, I met the general in 93' when I got to plumb his house in Telluride, we had a kick and he said that we were safer in Chu Lai than back in the states. You-all should listen to him speak on, "leadership",
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I went to drill a plumbing hole and he came out and said, "you're not going to hurt my house are you"? He also yelled at his dogs as they were running towards me, "don't eat my plumber!". He was a giant "bear hunting man", and a man of dogs, and so funny. We miss him.
I say funny story , but it sure wasn't funny to our parents, it was an outright dagger to their hearts. They were already outraged, as just a few years before, our president, was carefully and brutally assassinated (head blown up) on live tv, many others died in the aftermath.
Sorry for rambling, but thanks for letting me bend your ear.
Me: *Gets recommended a 3 year old video about getting drafted*
"Yeah sure like I'll ever get drafted"
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