Great video! Very helpful for a noob like me. BTW the increase in effective thickness happens because, when the armour is sloped, a projectile travelling on a flat trajectory has to pass through a greater cross sectional distance to penetrate. For example, a tank with 100mm of armour sloped at a 45 degree angle effectively has to travel through 141mm of armour to penetrate. But yes, deflections are also more likely to happen increasing the armours effectiveness even more.
One note: the blocks around the gun barrel on T-34's and KV-1's are actually thinly armored and easy to penetrate. The problem is that guns are so insanely inaccurate ingame that you rarely can hit it outside of very close quarters. I've found it better just using large HE to kill KV-1's and larger soviet heavies until unlocking the tiger/panther, which is annoying because the Pak/Kwk40 historically had no problem dealing with KV-1's but struggle ingame.
I really needed this. In all my German conquest enhanced playthroughs the bane of my existence are the T34s and KV1s. I had to retreat in my last game because two T-34s obliterated 4/6 of my panzer III and IVs. And I was only at the first sector with 2 more to go.
Ive found you can sometimes skip rounds off the ground/pavement if youre shooting at a shallow angle and get one literally into the underside of the tank
@@SirJellyBean I've found that happens to me often when I make a killzone of a bunch of disabled vehicles and the enemy tanks are behind them; I'll be damned if I can get a clean shot on the fresh tanks but if I just keep sending rounds in the 'pinball machine' I've created of disabled armor it usually ends up working lol
The German "square" tanks with flat armour have a hidden feature - you turn them 45 degrees to the side and lo and behold - sloped armour on the hull :D it actually does seem to increase the chance of a shell bounce, so that's pretty cool
@@SirJellyBean true, it only works against a single enemy tank/gun that is right in front of you and in the distance. If something with AT appears on the flank or the enemy get's close, then it's goodbye.
I believe the Panther had a frontal plate of 60mm sloped not 100mm other variants had less and others a bit more. Later variants having a similar front plate were actually weaker due to lesser quality alloys due to resource shortage. In some cases the armor would shatter from a hit rather than being penetrated
It was 80mm sloped at 55 degrees so i was wrong in my video woops hehe , and you are correct that later in the war German armour quality dropped a lot .
Not being a hater , I actually love these ww2 direct control RTS games , but the tank combat is so off to me , not because of the armor models but because of the distance you're fighting at . That goes for everything that can shoot in the game pretty much . Being able to only shoot at ~200 meters and slighly further with arty is so wierd and it feels like the penetration drop off at 200 meters is more like the penetration value you'll get at like 2 km away . Bouncing a t34 with a long 75mm panzer 4 gun at 200 meters is a crazy concept to me it looks so stupid , and only being able to shoot the early 75mm howitzers at like 160 meters even tho they had a range of like 8 kilometers DRIVES ME INSANE , I hate the fact that I need to constantly move them , don't need them to shoot across the map but god dayum , I know that I'm asking for to much , and this is probably a me problem but hey , I needed to tell this to somebody :)
I agree the ranges are very off because its on a smaller scale but maybe one day will get like a Gates Of Hell Style game but will realistic ranges that would be very cool .
@@SirJellyBean though I think I just noticed that areas are highlighted when hovering the cursor over the tank. So doesn’t it mean that the selected area will be targeted as ordered ?
@@SirJellyBean anyway, thanks a lot for your response. If I do find a proof that they will target and shoot accordingly, I’ll provide a video evidence and let you know. Have a great weekend
How to you set up enemies like you have in the video? When I play on “test” mode it only lets me spawn in my own troops. How can I spawn in non combative enemy vehicles to test on?
Is there any change you would showcase a veitnam mod ? As far as I'm aware the cleanest one I know of is veitnam 65' for mow2 no 3rd person 😢 or old boys missions 1 USA or 1 NVA no conquest or multi 😢 another thing I been seeing your ww1 stuff , I downloaded the most recent top subsided version of 1914 - 1916 mod but it came with 8 single player mission also I've got a separate mod for the missions you have done to , I'm confused our mods are the same but I got single missions?
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Having a couple hours in war thunder has helped me heaps as the armour models are pretty similar
Yeah I hear there armour models are really accurate.
Great video! Very helpful for a noob like me.
BTW the increase in effective thickness happens because, when the armour is sloped, a projectile travelling on a flat trajectory has to pass through a greater cross sectional distance to penetrate. For example, a tank with 100mm of armour sloped at a 45 degree angle effectively has to travel through 141mm of armour to penetrate. But yes, deflections are also more likely to happen increasing the armours effectiveness even more.
@@mtoole1791 yeah good point thank god HEAT nulfies the the slopping with its nasty internal molten slug of death haha
One note: the blocks around the gun barrel on T-34's and KV-1's are actually thinly armored and easy to penetrate. The problem is that guns are so insanely inaccurate ingame that you rarely can hit it outside of very close quarters. I've found it better just using large HE to kill KV-1's and larger soviet heavies until unlocking the tiger/panther, which is annoying because the Pak/Kwk40 historically had no problem dealing with KV-1's but struggle ingame.
Thanks for this info I ballsed up on my research 😢🤣
They were more effective then in game yes the game is more trolly but it’s not too far off
I really needed this. In all my German conquest enhanced playthroughs the bane of my existence are the T34s and KV1s. I had to retreat in my last game because two T-34s obliterated 4/6 of my panzer III and IVs. And I was only at the first sector with 2 more to go.
o man CE is tough remember the 15cm SIG field gun is Germanys super tank breaker kills anything with its HE super shell haha
@@SirJellyBean in German the J is pronounced as a Y sound
@@michaelhawkins7389 yeah I know thanks for the remainder tho .
@@SirJellyBean ok as it hurts my german ears. "Jagdtiger" (y)agdtiger :)
A fun topic to have covered. Destroying tanks is always a treat - except when it's yours getting hammered! :)
Haha very true hopefully newbies to the game find this useful
Love the in depth guides and knowing your favorite, my favorites are the ones that can reload fast an lob multiple shots per minute
Yeah rapid fire AT is great
Have you seen rapid fire 8.8
@@Jados1Blackos1 well the flack gun is pretty quick.
Awesome video. Definitely helpful.
Thankyou buddy
Ive found you can sometimes skip rounds off the ground/pavement if youre shooting at a shallow angle and get one literally into the underside of the tank
Yeah i have even bounced one of one tank into another lmao
@@SirJellyBean I've found that happens to me often when I make a killzone of a bunch of disabled vehicles and the enemy tanks are behind them; I'll be damned if I can get a clean shot on the fresh tanks but if I just keep sending rounds in the 'pinball machine' I've created of disabled armor it usually ends up working lol
@@solidcobalt haha that sounds brilliant tbh
Lots of useful info, good stuff mate 👍
Thanks Buddy.
@@SirJellyBean no worries Sir Belly Bean
The German "square" tanks with flat armour have a hidden feature - you turn them 45 degrees to the side and lo and behold - sloped armour on the hull :D it actually does seem to increase the chance of a shell bounce, so that's pretty cool
only risk is you are exposing your sides more , so if the ai pushes you'll be flanked easily so be carefull .
@@SirJellyBean true, it only works against a single enemy tank/gun that is right in front of you and in the distance. If something with AT appears on the flank or the enemy get's close, then it's goodbye.
@@tommy_sparrow still a valid tactic though I'll use this in future I think , if I die I'll blame you , only joking .
KV1 is a real pain to deal with as Early German , but i'm sure 5cm APCR and 7.5 HEAT can penetrate the driver view port frontally .
Yeah there are a few options to kill the kv , but it's a beast and I normally use th 15cm sig to cripple it .
Added to my watch later 😁
Thankyou buddy your very kind 😁.
I believe the Panther had a frontal plate of 60mm sloped not 100mm other variants had less and others a bit more. Later variants having a similar front plate were actually weaker due to lesser quality alloys due to resource shortage. In some cases the armor would shatter from a hit rather than being penetrated
It was 80mm sloped at 55 degrees so i was wrong in my video woops hehe , and you are correct that later in the war German armour quality dropped a lot .
@SirJellyBean even I was wrong haha I just checked up one of my books I have on the panther haha
@@RedSurge56225 yeah it tough to remember all these tanks armour i wish GOH would include armour diagrams with the vehicles
Not being a hater , I actually love these ww2 direct control RTS games , but the tank combat is so off to me , not because of the armor models but because of the distance you're fighting at . That goes for everything that can shoot in the game pretty much . Being able to only shoot at ~200 meters and slighly further with arty is so wierd and it feels like the penetration drop off at 200 meters is more like the penetration value you'll get at like 2 km away . Bouncing a t34 with a long 75mm panzer 4 gun at 200 meters is a crazy concept to me it looks so stupid , and only being able to shoot the early 75mm howitzers at like 160 meters even tho they had a range of like 8 kilometers DRIVES ME INSANE , I hate the fact that I need to constantly move them , don't need them to shoot across the map but god dayum , I know that I'm asking for to much , and this is probably a me problem but hey , I needed to tell this to somebody :)
I agree the ranges are very off because its on a smaller scale but maybe one day will get like a Gates Of Hell Style game but will realistic ranges that would be very cool .
@@SirJellyBean The scale would be pretty hard to replicate and the performance would be atrocious lmao , but yes that would be a dream .
@@imalpha6026 good point but my dreams have no limits lol
@@SirJellyBean same , one day perhaps xD , until then this is the best we've got :)
That was spot on!
Thankyou Sir Hound
if you have the graphic settings on ultra you can see the squish marks the shells make if it bounces or ricochets
I may start to do that now thanks dude .
I just noticed this today with a captured KV1. Really cool detail which highlights my pathetic attempt at shooting it from the front.
@@boplax123 haha still a beast to slay
Can you only do that by direct control or can you order to hit accordingly ?
By direct control the Ai will aim center of mass normally
@@SirJellyBean though I think I just noticed that areas are highlighted when hovering the cursor over the tank.
So doesn’t it mean that the selected area will be targeted as ordered ?
@@Zazinikki I find they always just go for center mass but I may br wrong it's hard to tell tbh
@@SirJellyBean anyway, thanks a lot for your response. If I do find a proof that they will target and shoot accordingly, I’ll provide a video evidence and let you know. Have a great weekend
@@Zazinikki awesome dude
How to you set up enemies like you have in the video? When I play on “test” mode it only lets me spawn in my own troops. How can I spawn in non combative enemy vehicles to test on?
Use.numpad to change what side there on .
how do you get the King Tiger Early production?
Its just in the editor im not sure in game .
The (P) version is in the german campaign only i think. No way to get it in conquest right now. maybe the devs will add it along with the new DLC.
cool
Thankyou good Sir.
Is there any change you would showcase a veitnam mod ? As far as I'm aware the cleanest one I know of is veitnam 65' for mow2 no 3rd person 😢 or old boys missions 1 USA or 1 NVA no conquest or multi 😢 another thing I been seeing your ww1 stuff , I downloaded the most recent top subsided version of 1914 - 1916 mod but it came with 8 single player mission also I've got a separate mod for the missions you have done to , I'm confused our mods are the same but I got single missions?
I have a full playthrough with old boys Vietnam mod its in a playlist , i think the single missions are a different submod buddy .
The missions came with the mod
I have to go back and see sorry ! Just love me some Nam style fighting
yea sorry which IS2 tank only had 110mm of front armor?
I'm not sure
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Thankyou
I don't like explosions of tanks in GOH I really liked those one in MOWAS2 they are fluid and comfy , GOH explosions feel too fast and lack something
I think GOH ones are more ammo detonations you do get delayed explosions and coo offs though