This spin is the same spin that a basketball player would use .But I was taught to parry the punch strike the eyes or throat then go into the Ghosting Step and stay very close to the body of your opponent. The ninja were very famous for this technique
Yes, I think it's more effective if you use a strike. Everyone knows a spinning hammerfist or elbow works on a resisting opponent this movement is no different. It's just that the majority of people out there aren't going to move like this, even most martial artists. So therefore they doubt it.
@@bricktea3645 is your reply even directed at me ? Because I didn't say anything about a parry but the comment above did. But anyways even if someone was to throw a wild swinging punch you just duck under the strike instead of parrying it. And is there a rule book that says nobody on the street throws straight punches ? You'd be surprised. What if your attacker has done some boxing before ? That is always possible. Always assume the guy on the street might have some experience whether some boxing or maybe he knows some wrestling.
Great technique. I love all your work. I also work to point out that: this is just an "reference maneuver" so it doesn't actually have to be done as show. It's more of an example of what can be done, given the circumstances. Thanks for the share. Salute
I do appreciate the philosophy of removing oneself from the situation as soon as possible. Nothing good can come from an unexpected fight. Keep up the good work.
Showing your back in any technique where your opponent isn't already incapacitated is always a terrible idea. I understand the purpose of the move, but it is WAY too elaborated. Good self-defense is all about simplicity. Personally, I'd see several different ways to imrpove this technique without having to roll on your opponent's arm and catch his head.
The turning of the back wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't a big gap in time between the evasion and the next point of contact. I'd hit the arm or body and then spin behind, or do something to disrupt their balance/posture before/during that maneuver. Otherwise, no need to spin, just take advantage of the superior angle. This move is more flash than substance, the way it is shown. It works if the attacker does what you want them too, but fails miserably if, why you are doing your impression of the Tasmanian Devil cartoon character, they turn to follow, duck or carry on in a straight line.
Noah Tellin the spin is not pointless at all. Its about evasion and confusion of your opponent.I think those who think its pointless is because like too many cage match watchers, they want to engage in a fight and dont understand ninjutsu's principle is about evasion and deception, and minimizing the confrontation.1st of all you spin so fast and right into the head snapping back grab that they shouldn't have to do much of anything. 2nd if they did try to follow you with a back fist, all you have to do is grab the arm as it swings back and take them down using their turn momentum against them. I showed that in my video " ninjutsu for the novice.
Shinobi Science I'm tired of people assuming everything has to do with cage fights, This comparison is silly, my opinion is that of a Traditional Jiu-Jutsu practicioner where my masters taught me to save as many moves as possible and avoid making unnecessary motions. That's not cage fight science, it's plain combat and body mechanic science and also nothing more than common sense.
Black MetalKnight14 Keep in mind that combat logic applies for all Martial Arts regardless of names or origin. eleminating useless motions increases technique efficiency whether it's Krav Maga or Boxing.
@vyperxii the intent of the spin that puts you behind the person is the purpose of getting behind the person. So its not wasted at all. The point is to avoid getting into a brawl. And getting the behind the person wont leave you vulnerable as you may have noticed we didnt just stand behind him . We got behind him with a continuous motion and take down, There is hardly anytime for a counter.
The one thing traditional martial arts NEVER understand is that they practice in the most unrealistic settings. No one punches like this gentleman does. No one telegraphs. No one stands with outstretched arm. Catching or snatching the punching arm is impossible, unless your opponent is helping you.
you can intercept the punch, if IF you are fast thinker, and fast of movement, ie fast twitch muscles NOT lifting muscles(in this regard, smaller people are faster than larger people)
The fact that you label all traditional martial arts under that opinion shows your true lack of knowledge about fighting. Its not the art its the fighter and how he applies what he knows along with how well he performs his technique, you sound rather uneducated making a statement like that.
you are right, but there is a way, you have to know how to damage the opponent arm or leg before grabbing his arm head , leg or at least use a hit or tehnique that can incapacitate the opponet for 1 sec maybe 2, but even so might not work against well trained fighters.
This move makes sense in context to the art and history of ninjutsu. If you're being a stealthy ninja but someone manages to spot you this would be a great move. Consider a night time operation inside of a building. This move would quickly disorient an opponent if you came at them from out of the shadows as they approached where you were hiding to investigate. In the context of a ninja mission the point would be to evade the opponent quickly so as not to arouse more suspicion with the excess noise a full on sparring match would create. Disorient the opponent, subdue them completely if possible without bringing more attention to yourself and then continue on. If your cover is totally blown subdue them quickly with a move like this and run like hell because they're going to try to capture you and torture you to death for information you have.
joebeast15 kick boxing, BJJ, I recently started studying Goju ryu and taiqi/chi kung just over a year ago.. but my main goal is to become a healer however contradictory and funny as that sounds, I want to specialize in sports related injuries.
"Spinning not only confuses and is faster, but it creates momentum for the takedown to snap the head violently causing a knockout, at the very least, or death at the most. I agree with this technique WHOLE heartedly. Always keep your opponent off balance and guessing until you put them to sleep." Lot's of unspoken ifs there. If they haven't moved, if they get confused, if your own balance isn't off, if you don't trip while spinning off the flat mats, if they don't strike backwards as you have your back turned, if their head is still there for you to grab....
This is horrible. Deplorable. Once you acquire a dominant angle on the outside why would you wanted make this uneconomical spin to the outside? BTW: Who attacks on the street with a jab? And if they know how to jab why would they jab and leave their arm out? Demonstration purposes you could go slower, but to that extent is absurd. Even before he asked him to slow down, that jab was unrealistically slow. Geez.
Jose C" And if they know how to jab why would they jab and leave their arm out". So true I'm not one to call any move in a martial art bull crap but I totally agree with you there. This one just looks so unnecessary and like it wouldnt work in an actual fight. If you're outside of his guard there are more simple and quicker things to do...
Excellent demo also of use against multiple opponents, once behind one of them we have as hield protecting us, and cen be thrown in diirection of ther next opponent , etc. More to it, the two handed blocking is another hidden aspect of perfection, refer to the late Yoshimi soke presentation in Italy, around 2015.Best regards.Paul, 68
Outside the dojo, that attacker would likely be turning by the time you had spun around and regained sight of them or actual contact. In the taijutsu training I've seen, the realistic attack would have been used or at least mentioned, and the defender would have been doing something to disrupt the attacker's structure and distract while maintaining contact to be aware of what the attacker is doing while spinning around behind.
It seems to be a matter of telegraphing the move, knowing what's coming in and stepping forward and around, giving the 'superspeed' illusion (2 forces moving towards another at the same time). Very fascinating to see a move designed around this concept.
Your body become centrifugal, and in a direction arcing behind your opponent but spinning. While spinning, your body is turning while your ankles are crossed while inertia is being deployed to a certain area. Your mass is going to take you outwards and you're trying to focus your attention on the inside, towards the axis. My suggestion would be for you to try the spin and then just try a simple sidestep as well and see what work with more efficient movement.
Full spin is just for show. I am from Wado-Ryu. This style is known for Tai Sabaki. Confronted with a straight attack it isn't even necessary to move in 45. Normally attacks happen too fast for a technique to be executed like shown. An attacker is not going to wait for you to finish your 360 dance. Best option is what you mentioned or the boxing slip and slide.
In the spin, there is an elbow strike to the back of the head/neck, kidney and etc. There is also a sweep in it as well. And there could be a broken arm too.This is based off the "defender" not being the aggressor. Good job...
We train in a farm sometimes, but not an american farm, one from Colombia where they're lots of mountains and vegetation, we love those, we go there on saturdays :) Our sensei is like the best sensei (to me).
Sensei, I just wanted to say -your movements are true and good. It's nice to see. All attacks based in reality in practice are dependent on good uké-ship. The reality of this technique working is dependent on speed and surprise as you had mentioned several times throughout. You show the possibility of adding more koppojutsu throughout, which may only be necessary if the uké were cognizant of your intentions.
@SuubUrbanNinja Sir Thanks for sharing this video. What is 忍術Ninjutsu? And can people today who train and practice some of the elements of this art be 忍者Ninja? Is 忍術 the Shogunate/幕府 time periods art of espionage, spying with elements of 武道Budo and alchemy or is it 武道 Budo with elements of spying and alchemy? Osu
The original technique was used with Shuko Hand Claws, and not meant to disable but to counter and kill.. I like how its being incorporated for self defense. GJ :) One thing though, look at the opposers feet to see which is used for balance and which is used for control knowing that will help you in knowing which side the attacker will strike from.
Thats so sick !! I wish they have ninjitsu in my town.... but its okay i'm on my way to get my B Belt on Shaolin kempo karate !! But Still always love Ninjitsu !! when i was younger i wish to be a ninja !!! Keep up the good job !!
There was one shadow move where I duct under arm twist and grab arm forearm grab let go the spin clockwise backing up and behind openent like . Err to the right and away some from person then forward behind and knock behind knees while arm around neck or chopping shoulder near neck
I've been noticing the comments about the extra spin move that most find pointless, and I don't know whether or not it was the trainers intent, but if you think about it, by properly timing the moment you grab the head, you can use the spin as a supplier of speed so that you may add more force as you 'snap' the head. That would most likely require very precise timing from the individual performing it and like most have said it seems easier to just skip that part for the sake of effectiveness.
I have to agree with you, the flashy stuff is unnecessary as it leaves you open to counter attacks. You are also correct when you say that ninpo is more then just about fighting, it;s about living at peace with everything that is around you.
Tai sabaki is about moving yourself off the line of attack. You can see it in many martial arts systems. It really changes the way you block, if you have to block at all. because when you execute a block, its not just about blocking, its about moving yourself into a beneficial position whilst blocking, making the enemy vulnerable to you. Good example :)
@comzero141..im do not study this art but i am an Aikido student. I would say that the complete spin creates momentum for the final throw..It starts with the opponents energy and taking into a spin which will increase and then transfer it to the final throw. Done full speed this appears it could result in a devastating blow when the head hits the ground.
This man is a master at this i kould tell,ive mugged people rob an beat up nd i kould tel u i wouldent want to kross sum one with skills like this,true master,i change my ways now an would inkurage anyone to train 4 the unexpected with qiuck reactions like these.
@squishynoodle22 You got it right. the spin is not pointless at all. Its about evasion and confusion of your opponent.I think those who think its pointless is because like too many cage match watchers, they want to engage in a fight and dont understand ninjutsu's principle is about evasion and deception, and minimizing the confrontation.
To answer multiple users question...The "SPIN" creates momentum ,which in turn results in energy transfer, which results in an opponents head hitting the ground ALOT harder,than if there was no spin..A roller coaster loop is a good physical example..I am amazed that more Aikidoa didnt answer this question..Remember the 180° pivot ? OSU!
You are 100% correct when you would face your back to uke when hes at full striking potential. This here is not the case. You just blocked a strike -> uke is off balance and in no position to strike again, you keep your weight against ukes arm all the time -> you step behind him with one legg (uke doesnt know or see this) then in a split second you perform what looks like a fancy spin but actually is a well performed motion while aware that ukes back is turned to you & vanish in thin air.
@Lillymill that being said lyoto machida used tai sabaki footwork against mma opponents for years with great success before losing (as all great fighters do.) and had the best defence in the ufc at one point never even losing a round.. he also used traditional style striking sweeps and take downs from karate do judo and sumo.. that aside bjj and kickboxing do little good when you've been jumped in an alley in the rain by three or four guys
i feel like this variation of counter attacking off a strike can be done withot the spin?. i like the spin tho i feel like the bois will get a good kick out of the footwork.
@Lillymill not just ninjutsu but filipino kali, japanese jujitsu, wing chun krav magga (if taught properly) would all work in street situations because that's what they are designed for.. same reason a grappler can grapple. in the video the brother is slowing down and telegraphing so you can see what he's doing in a real fight there will be no pauses and it would be very fast... lastly I have seen martial arts like this used in real life and it wasn't as pretty but it wasn't meant to be
One thing I also noticed is the spin is stopped. If you were to utilize the spin's inertia, encouraging the attacker's backward motion through the use of centrifugal force, then the spin wouldn't be stopped, but, as you are attacking him, you would need to hook the head or neck in some way to utilize the energy used with the spin. In the video, it shows him spinning, stop, grab, then step back with the head slam. I agree with the idea of the attack, but the spin seems like a disadvantage.
the point to the spin that i can see, is the fluid motion. circular motions are much more fluid and efficient so your body doesnt have to stop and go another direction. Also, that spin will give your hands more momentum for pulling on the head making the head pull that much easier, faster, and to the opponent confusing, all during the while keeping your body in a fluid motion
I train in Martial arts and experimented with the grabbing and tilting and pulling back the head. it works considering when you tilt the head you are taking their balance and changkng their view and what tbey can see. It works
The circle isn't as bad as it may seem. It's similar in some ways to what football quarterbacks do. For one thing it gives him a 360 view. In bagua they have all sorts of crazy stuff like this. Part of it is because he is moving forward and you are maintaining contact with him, and therefore sensitivity, while still moving. Another part of it is that the friction of your spin would make it difficult for him to stop his movement! My bet is if you saw Hatsumi do this it would look amazing...
Spinning not only confuses and is faster, but it creates momentum for the takedown to snap the head violently causing a knockout, at the very least, or death at the most. I agree with this technique WHOLE heartedly. Always keep your opponent off balance and guessing until you put them to sleep.
I understand that completely. I'm familiar with MMA/Juijutsu techniques as well, but its one thing to practice, practice, practice on something and another to see a flaw and not call it out for the sake common sense, efficiency, or preventing something that can take you out. The time to remove the mistake is before the fight, not during. As I said in a later thread, each person is different and different styles suit different people. To each their own, just my opinion. (cont)
Good video , I think this is like you say for a more advanced practitioner. I recommend all others check out the novice videos. For all of those who says this won't work against a trained fighter are sadly mistaken. Trained fighters train for all situations but, this is a very confusing movement. I have personally done a similar movement to a trained fighter and they were bewildered. Everything is about technique, believing and trusting your art (if it is an effective art), and execution. For e
Thanks for the demonstration. When you're behind your uke, is the aggressive snatch to his face a way to lighten him on his feet or are you using force to throw him down? My concern is not being able to throw them down if they're resisting with full strength. Thank you.
The attacker's hands are up guarding his head. During and after an attack the opponent will usually continue to keep that guard. If you are in the 'line of fire' the attacker has fully committed to a movement. In the final, slow demonstration there was no wrist control as in the previous ones. While the spin does create momentum for the take-down, in my humble opinion the least amount of movements/steps is the most effective means of self defense.
@313shauwn Interesting question. But, it was a pleasure watching his video as I can see the limit of my knowledge in the arts. I was training in a drill similar to this and I must say. What he does not discuss in this video is the evasive tactics; which are quite basic and primarily for low levels such as myself. He slips off and changes the angle by going outside 1:28 - 1:32 In that situation the attacker doesn't have enough time to change his angle. The spin steals time from the attacker
@Lillymill You must not have seen all of our videos. We do have footage of some randori. See the video " Ninjutsu: NO LARPING. Also see our latest video" Knife Conflict Combat". Also go to Karim1950 and see footage of more randori from our dojos.
How would this compare to a Bagua movement? they're both very circular, and focused on deflection... also, how do you bleed your opponent's forward momentum to make that grab/ headslam likely to contact.
i can say this after studying Taijutsu for 6 yrs i joined an MMA gym and studied at both dojo for another 3 yrs...in that time i had fights, in rings, for money after my first yr in the MMA dojo (so 2 yrs of ring fighting)...there were soooo many things that i learned in Taijutsu that gave me the edge over far more seasoned MMA guys in Ring Work. ive used similar Ghost techniques to this in Ring before though, especially in leg sweep throws...i used a cross step vs the spin, cuz I like stability
@SanatanaDharmaOM It's not about swiftness or smoothness. It's about effectiveness. Outside the dojo, people don't just wait around until you do a 360 around them to grab them from behind. I know it's cool and it looks nice but it doesn't work like that. That's why they're demonstrating it this way - opponent attacks, freezes, waits out...
I would like to know of a couple of situations where this would be profitable. Environment, (flat ground vs uneven terrain), open spaces, multiple opponents...etc.
i could see losing contact being an issue in the spin if you simply bounced off the attackers strike. perhaps to avoid spinning off him try to practice pushing up and into the attacker to not only redirect but to capitalize on them being extended and offbalance. you can achieve the push by elevating your arm after you get on the outside of the strike and lowering your shoulder so as to spin "into" and behind instead of off. then again, if purely for self defense, deflect and run. fight over
The "flashy" roll is to quickly get behind your opponent and still be able to end facing him in a smooth controlled manner. Yes, shuffling feet or stepping a couple times can get you there, but this move is about speed to "disappear", like he said.
it is truly a very effective counter and it does work,keep in mind that most of us martial arts enthusiasts kno 9 out of 10 fights that involve an opponent knowing a specific tecnique will not expext this from a street fighter
Surely i know sometimes a fight may involve you without you being aware as it starts but as a martial artist you take responsibility in your actions, where you are, who you're with. If you get into a fight unwillingly you have some bad luck or you have failed to understand that you are in control of where you are and what you do and how you treat others. These often looked over ideas will land someone in a fight they didn't want but in the end all you can blame is yourself
@Lillymill I mean seriously asking for the guy in the video to fight a kickboxer? what significance does that have?show me a video on youtube of a violent street fight which involved somebody using muay thai.. mma is a sport and almost a style unto itself.. your argument is as silly as me going on a boxing video and saying they have no knife defence.
@JRMtronica I respect your opinion, i see these comments all the time. Their are 1000 other things the sensei could of done, but he is breaking down a technique that needs to be taught which may work for someone. In a bar you see a bouncer having issues with a patron if he is good at self defense you will see him locking the guy up before the guy gets to go for another swing the guy may still be trying to get free but he is less effective. Multiply opponents would be different again.
oh nice bro! i always wanted to learn ninjitsu stuff, u in the usa?, i stay in texas trying to do the mma thing but i enjoy all the arts like karate and aki jujitsu
In any martial art or even gymnastics, it is a well known fact the body follows the head, so, with the stance of the attacker be left foot lead, it would be easier and just as effective to side step right while reaching for the head, step back, using the leverage of the your foot position, the weight of the person's head, and the fulcrum of their left foot forward stance. Of course if you've got your hands at their head, a slap to the ear, eye, throat is already available. Thanks for hearing me.
a truly powerful strike will start with motion generated at the planted foot, this allows you to generate energy with little or even no movement of the arm.
A lot of these comments are stupid. The point of this video is getting AWAY, not getting into a fight. How are you going to get away and keep going. If your confronted by a thug and he has 5 of his buddies around the corner, your not going to stand there and take on one thug while 5 of his buddies show up to piñata your @$$. I would do this. I would do that, I'm a BB in BJJ or blah, blah, blah. When you've been confronted in life and death situations and caught slippin, sometimes your best option is to GTHO of a situation as fast as possible, not stay there and collect points. RUclips...where ignorance is an everyday occurrence.
Does this only work for some one who throws their one punch with full force? For an example a boxer, they put all their energy in one punch which means they are liable to be off balance.
@gomergilligan You are right about it. Against quick boxing jabs you can't do much, and you can't apply this technique for sure. But, if you face boxer or any person who knows how to fight, the smartest is to step back and keep stepping back when jabs are thrown (unless you want to box). The hope is that attacking person will after some time loose patience and try to knock you down with hard punch with steping forward and giving you therefore energy you need from him to perform this technique.
@reallyletsdoit because it would be such a great instructional video if they did it in full speed and one of them ended seriously injured on the ground... please!
That's not what I meant, by twisting the chin, you put the pressure on the neck. But you know nak muay can resist to really hard traction on the neck, and judokas use their chin to block chokes and when the chin is well placed your whole body can't take it away of your chest. And again, why spinning ? you just give time to the opponent to strike back, move back or defend. As it has been said before a elbow can strike quickly.
This can work in some scenarios. It's very hard to hold onto someone when they spin. A practitioner with a wrestling background might use something like this to hit a Peterson Roll when grabbed, or use it in conjunction with an arm drag to take the back. Hating on this move is silly, because it's using human kinetics. As part of a chain of techniques this can be extremely effective as a setup.
@UrSoMeanBoss yes, i dont know martial arts. but at start (when they fight fast) the contrincant makes only a hit and he doesnt move. sorry for my bad english im not english
This is an awesome technique. Hat's off to the SuubUrbanNInja! It's about body movement, body position, sensitivity. This can be done in a fraction of second (when properly trained). Remember the Ninja was evasive (this technique requires zero MUSCLE Strength). I remember from my BJJ training a terse Brazilian accent "no muscle, no muscle - use technique, position, leverage." and BJJ is a sport, this Art was designed to kill silently.
I feel the idea behind this one. I wish I was in Harlem so I could test it, just because I think the opponent could just pivot on his rear foot and get his space back between you. I think if done without the spin, it the opponent would be on the mat before having the chance to even react. I like the Taisabaki concepts you guys teach, and I constantly check out your stuff. Just wanted to put in my two cents.
:-) you are right the video itself is not that much of an example. I was trying to explain the kamae and nagare used to perform the what looks like a dancing move spin.
This spin is the same spin that a basketball player would use .But I was taught to parry the punch strike the eyes or throat then go into the Ghosting Step and stay very close to the body of your opponent. The ninja were very famous for this technique
Yes, I think it's more effective if you use a strike. Everyone knows a spinning hammerfist or elbow works on a resisting opponent this movement is no different. It's just that the majority of people out there aren't going to move like this, even most martial artists. So therefore they doubt it.
@@punisher7772people don't do straight punches so it's not likely that u will even parry it
@@bricktea3645 is your reply even directed at me ? Because I didn't say anything about a parry but the comment above did.
But anyways even if someone was to throw a wild swinging punch you just duck under the strike instead of parrying it. And is there a rule book that says nobody on the street throws straight punches ? You'd be surprised. What if your attacker has done some boxing before ? That is always possible. Always assume the guy on the street might have some experience whether some boxing or maybe he knows some wrestling.
Great technique. I love all your work. I also work to point out that: this is just an "reference maneuver" so it doesn't actually have to be done as show. It's more of an example of what can be done, given the circumstances. Thanks for the share. Salute
WHOA!!!!! Where did he go!!!!!!!
I do appreciate the philosophy of removing oneself from the situation as soon as possible. Nothing good can come from an unexpected fight. Keep up the good work.
bagwa like movement.. watch the backfist! Great stuff
@rey024 because the purpose is not to actually engage the person in a fight. Its ninjutsu stealth and evasion.
Showing your back in any technique where your opponent isn't already incapacitated is always a terrible idea.
I understand the purpose of the move, but it is WAY too elaborated. Good self-defense is all about simplicity. Personally, I'd see several different ways to imrpove this technique without having to roll on your opponent's arm and catch his head.
The turning of the back wouldn't be so bad if there wasn't a big gap in time between the evasion and the next point of contact. I'd hit the arm or body and then spin behind, or do something to disrupt their balance/posture before/during that maneuver. Otherwise, no need to spin, just take advantage of the superior angle. This move is more flash than substance, the way it is shown. It works if the attacker does what you want them too, but fails miserably if, why you are doing your impression of the Tasmanian Devil cartoon character, they turn to follow, duck or carry on in a straight line.
Noah Tellin the spin is not pointless at all. Its about evasion and confusion of your opponent.I think those who think its pointless is because like too many cage match watchers, they want to engage in a fight and dont understand ninjutsu's principle is about evasion and deception, and minimizing the confrontation.1st of all you spin so fast and right into the head snapping back grab that they shouldn't have to do much of anything. 2nd if they did try to follow you with a back fist, all you have to do is grab the arm as it swings back and take them down using their turn momentum against them. I showed that in my video " ninjutsu for the novice.
Shinobi Science
I'm tired of people assuming everything has to do with cage fights, This comparison is silly, my opinion is that of a Traditional Jiu-Jutsu practicioner where my masters taught me to save as many moves as possible and avoid making unnecessary motions. That's not cage fight science, it's plain combat and body mechanic science and also nothing more than common sense.
irregularzero Keep In Mind that this is Ninjutsu, not Jiu-jutsu.
Black MetalKnight14
Keep in mind that combat logic applies for all Martial Arts regardless of names or origin. eleminating useless motions increases technique efficiency whether it's Krav Maga or Boxing.
His footwork is really pretty; exact, calculated and practiced. Very enjoyable to watch.
What is with the camera you guys are using? It is like you are using a potatoe battery with a lens.
This is pretty good quality for 13 years ago
@vyperxii the intent of the spin that puts you behind the person is the purpose of getting behind the person. So its not wasted at all. The point is to avoid getting into a brawl. And getting the behind the person wont leave you vulnerable as you may have noticed we didnt just stand behind him . We got behind him with a continuous motion and take down, There is hardly anytime for a counter.
The one thing traditional martial arts NEVER understand is that they practice in the most unrealistic settings. No one punches like this gentleman does. No one telegraphs. No one stands with outstretched arm. Catching or snatching the punching arm is impossible, unless your opponent is helping you.
you must NOT know about sticky hands! or intercept the punch, or blocking!
you can intercept the punch, if IF you are fast thinker, and fast of movement, ie fast twitch muscles NOT lifting muscles(in this regard, smaller people are faster than larger people)
if u master a art completey u can respond to anything its all about the practioner
The fact that you label all traditional martial arts under that opinion shows your true lack of knowledge about fighting. Its not the art its the fighter and how he applies what he knows along with how well he performs his technique, you sound rather uneducated making a statement like that.
you are right, but there is a way, you have to know how to damage the opponent arm or leg before grabbing his arm head , leg or at least use a hit or tehnique that can incapacitate the opponet for 1 sec maybe 2, but even so might not work against well trained fighters.
This move makes sense in context to the art and history of ninjutsu. If you're being a stealthy ninja but someone manages to spot you this would be a great move. Consider a night time operation inside of a building. This move would quickly disorient an opponent if you came at them from out of the shadows as they approached where you were hiding to investigate. In the context of a ninja mission the point would be to evade the opponent quickly so as not to arouse more suspicion with the excess noise a full on sparring match would create. Disorient the opponent, subdue them completely if possible without bringing more attention to yourself and then continue on. If your cover is totally blown subdue them quickly with a move like this and run like hell because they're going to try to capture you and torture you to death for information you have.
This would never work with a resisting opponent, sorry.
you can't resist someone pulling your head backwards lmao... sorry.
Thats not what I mean,, pretty obvious you have never really trained before
How ignorant are you? I've been training for just over 8 year... not that it matters, you're a fool for trying to attack my character
Trained what if I may ask?
joebeast15 kick boxing, BJJ, I recently started studying Goju ryu and taiqi/chi kung just over a year ago.. but my main goal is to become a healer however contradictory and funny as that sounds, I want to specialize in sports related injuries.
"Spinning not only confuses and is faster, but it creates momentum for the takedown to snap the head violently causing a knockout, at the very least, or death at the most. I agree with this technique WHOLE heartedly. Always keep your opponent off balance and guessing until you put them to sleep." Lot's of unspoken ifs there. If they haven't moved, if they get confused, if your own balance isn't off, if you don't trip while spinning off the flat mats, if they don't strike backwards as you have your back turned, if their head is still there for you to grab....
This is horrible. Deplorable. Once you acquire a dominant angle on the outside why would you wanted make this uneconomical spin to the outside? BTW: Who attacks on the street with a jab? And if they know how to jab why would they jab and leave their arm out? Demonstration purposes you could go slower, but to that extent is absurd. Even before he asked him to slow down, that jab was unrealistically slow. Geez.
Quite a few people would attack with a jab. But you are quite right that if they did that, they wouldn't leave it extended or just stand there.
Jose C" And if they know how to jab why would they jab and leave their arm out". So true I'm not one to call any move in a martial art bull crap but I totally agree with you there. This one just looks so unnecessary and like it wouldnt work in an actual fight. If you're outside of his guard there are more simple and quicker things to do...
Most ppl do ...lol
Excellent demo also of use against multiple opponents, once behind one of them we have as hield protecting us, and cen be thrown in diirection of ther next opponent , etc. More to it, the two handed blocking is another hidden aspect of perfection, refer to the late Yoshimi soke presentation in Italy, around 2015.Best regards.Paul, 68
I like this move I have seen something similar before but the ARM is locked in the spin great vid
Very learnfull, very interesting for me as aikidoka. In aikido there are also such movements and this is seen from another point of view. thanks !!!
Very nice. I am glad to see movements like this. I have some similar to this one.
Outside the dojo, that attacker would likely be turning by the time you had spun around and regained sight of them or actual contact. In the taijutsu training I've seen, the realistic attack would have been used or at least mentioned, and the defender would have been doing something to disrupt the attacker's structure and distract while maintaining contact to be aware of what the attacker is doing while spinning around behind.
It seems to be a matter of telegraphing the move, knowing what's coming in and stepping forward and around, giving the 'superspeed' illusion (2 forces moving towards another at the same time). Very fascinating to see a move designed around this concept.
Your body become centrifugal, and in a direction arcing behind your opponent but spinning. While spinning, your body is turning while your ankles are crossed while inertia is being deployed to a certain area. Your mass is going to take you outwards and you're trying to focus your attention on the inside, towards the axis. My suggestion would be for you to try the spin and then just try a simple sidestep as well and see what work with more efficient movement.
Full spin is just for show. I am from Wado-Ryu. This style is known for Tai Sabaki. Confronted with a straight attack it isn't even necessary to move in 45. Normally attacks happen too fast for a technique to be executed like shown. An attacker is not going to wait for you to finish your 360 dance. Best option is what you mentioned or the boxing slip and slide.
In the spin, there is an elbow strike to the back of the head/neck, kidney and etc. There is also a sweep in it as well. And there could be a broken arm too.This is based off the "defender" not being the aggressor. Good job...
good usage of 360 taisabaki, good back to body connection, nice.
We train in a farm sometimes, but not an american farm, one from Colombia where they're lots of mountains and vegetation, we love those, we go there on saturdays :) Our sensei is like the best sensei (to me).
Sensei, I just wanted to say -your movements are true and good. It's nice to see. All attacks based in reality in practice are dependent on good uké-ship. The reality of this technique working is dependent on speed and surprise as you had mentioned several times throughout. You show the possibility of adding more koppojutsu throughout, which may only be necessary if the uké were cognizant of your intentions.
@hi11man666 Thrown?? How did you get thrown?No where in the technique do you slow down enough for the opponent to grab and throw you.
@SuubUrbanNinja Sir
Thanks for sharing this video. What is 忍術Ninjutsu? And can people today who train and practice some of the elements of this art be 忍者Ninja? Is 忍術 the Shogunate/幕府 time periods art of espionage, spying with elements of 武道Budo and alchemy or is it 武道 Budo with elements of spying and alchemy? Osu
The original technique was used with Shuko Hand Claws, and not meant to disable but to counter and kill.. I like how its being incorporated for self defense. GJ :) One thing though, look at the opposers feet to see which is used for balance and which is used for control knowing that will help you in knowing which side the attacker will strike from.
Thats so sick !! I wish they have ninjitsu in my town.... but its okay i'm on my way to get my B Belt on Shaolin kempo karate !! But Still always love Ninjitsu !! when i was younger i wish to be a ninja !!! Keep up the good job !!
Smooth moves. Nothing really new for me, but smooth moves. Respect.
There was one shadow move where I duct under arm twist and grab arm forearm grab let go the spin clockwise backing up and behind openent like . Err to the right and away some from person then forward behind and knock behind knees while arm around neck or chopping shoulder near neck
I've been noticing the comments about the extra spin move that most find pointless, and I don't know whether or not it was the trainers intent, but if you think about it, by properly timing the moment you grab the head, you can use the spin as a supplier of speed so that you may add more force as you 'snap' the head. That would most likely require very precise timing from the individual performing it and like most have said it seems easier to just skip that part for the sake of effectiveness.
I have to agree with you, the flashy stuff is unnecessary as it leaves you open to counter attacks. You are also correct when you say that ninpo is more then just about fighting, it;s about living at peace with everything that is around you.
@bdjordan15 good look! Never thought about breaking the arm on the back...but it's added to the arsenal now. Good eye brah!
Tai sabaki is about moving yourself off the line of attack. You can see it in many martial arts systems. It really changes the way you block, if you have to block at all. because when you execute a block, its not just about blocking, its about moving yourself into a beneficial position whilst blocking, making the enemy vulnerable to you. Good example :)
@comzero141..im do not study this art but i am an Aikido student. I would say that the complete spin creates momentum for the final throw..It starts with the opponents energy and taking into a spin which will increase and then transfer it to the final throw. Done full speed this appears it could result in a devastating blow when the head hits the ground.
This man is a master at this i kould tell,ive mugged people rob an beat up nd i kould tel u i wouldent want to kross sum one with skills like this,true master,i change my ways now an would inkurage anyone to train 4 the unexpected with qiuck reactions like these.
@squishynoodle22 You got it right. the spin is not pointless at all. Its about evasion and confusion of your opponent.I think those who think its pointless is because like too many cage match watchers, they want to engage in a fight and dont understand ninjutsu's principle is about evasion and deception, and minimizing the confrontation.
To answer multiple users question...The "SPIN" creates momentum ,which in turn results in energy transfer, which results in an opponents head hitting the ground ALOT harder,than if there was no spin..A roller coaster loop is a good physical example..I am amazed that more Aikidoa didnt answer this question..Remember the 180° pivot ? OSU!
You are 100% correct when you would face your back to uke when hes at full striking potential. This here is not the case. You just blocked a strike -> uke is off balance and in no position to strike again, you keep your weight against ukes arm all the time -> you step behind him with one legg (uke doesnt know or see this) then in a split second you perform what looks like a fancy spin but actually is a well performed motion while aware that ukes back is turned to you & vanish in thin air.
Nice to see something different 👍 definitely would take some practice to be fast enough maybe some type of fake out or strike on your way cool
@Lillymill that being said lyoto machida used tai sabaki footwork against mma opponents for years with great success before losing (as all great fighters do.) and had the best defence in the ufc at one point never even losing a round.. he also used traditional style striking sweeps and take downs from karate do judo and sumo.. that aside bjj and kickboxing do little good when you've been jumped in an alley in the rain by three or four guys
i feel like this variation of counter attacking off a strike can be done withot the spin?. i like the spin tho i feel like the bois will get a good kick out of the footwork.
@Lillymill not just ninjutsu but filipino kali, japanese jujitsu, wing chun krav magga (if taught properly) would all work in street situations because that's what they are designed for.. same reason a grappler can grapple. in the video the brother is slowing down and telegraphing so you can see what he's doing in a real fight there will be no pauses and it would be very fast...
lastly I have seen martial arts like this used in real life and it wasn't as pretty but it wasn't meant to be
Can you make something like this but with kicks to the back of the knee and leg ? and maybe some flips ? to put them down quick ?
One thing I also noticed is the spin is stopped. If you were to utilize the spin's inertia, encouraging the attacker's backward motion through the use of centrifugal force, then the spin wouldn't be stopped, but, as you are attacking him, you would need to hook the head or neck in some way to utilize the energy used with the spin. In the video, it shows him spinning, stop, grab, then step back with the head slam. I agree with the idea of the attack, but the spin seems like a disadvantage.
the point to the spin that i can see, is the fluid motion. circular motions are much more fluid and efficient so your body doesnt have to stop and go another direction. Also, that spin will give your hands more momentum for pulling on the head making the head pull that much easier, faster, and to the opponent confusing, all during the while keeping your body in a fluid motion
I train in Martial arts and experimented with the grabbing and tilting and pulling back the head. it works considering when you tilt the head you are taking their balance and changkng their view and what tbey can see. It works
The circle isn't as bad as it may seem. It's similar in some ways to what football quarterbacks do. For one thing it gives him a 360 view. In bagua they have all sorts of crazy stuff like this. Part of it is because he is moving forward and you are maintaining contact with him, and therefore sensitivity, while still moving. Another part of it is that the friction of your spin would make it difficult for him to stop his movement! My bet is if you saw Hatsumi do this it would look amazing...
Spinning not only confuses and is faster, but it creates momentum for the takedown to snap the head violently causing a knockout, at the very least, or death at the most. I agree with this technique WHOLE heartedly. Always keep your opponent off balance and guessing until you put them to sleep.
this reminds me of many techniques in Bagua. very awesome
I understand that completely. I'm familiar with MMA/Juijutsu techniques as well, but its one thing to practice, practice, practice on something and another to see a flaw and not call it out for the sake common sense, efficiency, or preventing something that can take you out. The time to remove the mistake is before the fight, not during. As I said in a later thread, each person is different and different styles suit different people. To each their own, just my opinion. (cont)
Thanks ima try this in my next boxing class
Ghosting step technique Is weri best. Thank yu sensei fór watching video on-line.
This kind of movement indeed just looks like the basics. I think you can vary a lot on it.
Good video , I think this is like you say for a more advanced practitioner. I recommend all others check out the novice videos. For all of those who says this won't work against a trained fighter are sadly mistaken. Trained fighters train for all situations but, this is a very confusing movement. I have personally done a similar movement to a trained fighter and they were bewildered. Everything is about technique, believing and trusting your art (if it is an effective art), and execution. For e
Thanks for the demonstration. When you're behind your uke, is the aggressive snatch to his face a way to lighten him on his feet or are you using force to throw him down? My concern is not being able to throw them down if they're resisting with full strength. Thank you.
@halfhausaman
Would you mind explaining this ninjutsu-mma/boxing-knife defense parallel of yours?
Thats great to hear, one doesn't simply train ninjutsu, one has to live it.
The attacker's hands are up guarding his head. During and after an attack the opponent will usually continue to keep that guard. If you are in the 'line of fire' the attacker has fully committed to a movement. In the final, slow demonstration there was no wrist control as in the previous ones. While the spin does create momentum for the take-down, in my humble opinion the least amount of movements/steps is the most effective means of self defense.
@313shauwn
Interesting question. But, it was a pleasure watching his video as I can see the limit of my knowledge in the arts. I was training in a drill similar to this and I must say. What he does not discuss in this video is the evasive tactics; which are quite basic and primarily for low levels such as myself. He slips off and changes the angle by going outside 1:28 - 1:32 In that situation the attacker doesn't have enough time to change his angle. The spin steals time from the attacker
@Lillymill You must not have seen all of our videos. We do have footage of some randori. See the video " Ninjutsu: NO LARPING. Also see our latest video" Knife Conflict Combat". Also go to Karim1950 and see footage of more randori from our dojos.
How would this compare to a Bagua movement? they're both very circular, and focused on deflection... also, how do you bleed your opponent's forward momentum to make that grab/ headslam likely to contact.
i can say this after studying Taijutsu for 6 yrs i joined an MMA gym and studied at both dojo for another 3 yrs...in that time i had fights, in rings, for money after my first yr in the MMA dojo (so 2 yrs of ring fighting)...there were soooo many things that i learned in Taijutsu that gave me the edge over far more seasoned MMA guys in Ring Work. ive used similar Ghost techniques to this in Ring before though, especially in leg sweep throws...i used a cross step vs the spin, cuz I like stability
@SanatanaDharmaOM
It's not about swiftness or smoothness.
It's about effectiveness.
Outside the dojo, people don't just wait around until you do a 360 around them to grab them from behind.
I know it's cool and it looks nice but it doesn't work like that.
That's why they're demonstrating it this way - opponent attacks, freezes, waits out...
I would like to know of a couple of situations where this would be profitable. Environment, (flat ground vs uneven terrain), open spaces, multiple opponents...etc.
Do u think I should do ninjutsu I'm a mellow type of person not that strong and tall . It looks interesting to learn
i like this move 1:38 into the video after the fancy spin your arm goes up to prevent a counter spinning back fist or elbow. pretty clever
i could see losing contact being an issue in the spin if you simply bounced off the attackers strike. perhaps to avoid spinning off him try to practice pushing up and into the attacker to not only redirect but to capitalize on them being extended and offbalance. you can achieve the push by elevating your arm after you get on the outside of the strike and lowering your shoulder so as to spin "into" and behind instead of off. then again, if purely for self defense, deflect and run. fight over
Nice move. Last part of the move I use it self, for the defense or in my old job.
i don't know if it's really useful in a real fight...but that was just awesome man :)
This looks like a cool technique!
The "flashy" roll is to quickly get behind your opponent and still be able to end facing him in a smooth controlled manner. Yes, shuffling feet or stepping a couple times can get you there, but this move is about speed to "disappear", like he said.
I've seen that done before. I just wonder if there was a special reason for the full rotation (aside from looking cool).
it is truly a very effective counter and it does work,keep in mind that most of us martial arts enthusiasts kno 9 out of 10 fights that involve an opponent knowing a specific tecnique will not expext this from a street fighter
@vauxdriver I think it's because it's much quicker to keep up with the momentum instead of moving to your side.
Surely i know sometimes a fight may involve you without you being aware as it starts but as a martial artist you take responsibility in your actions, where you are, who you're with. If you get into a fight unwillingly you have some bad luck or you have failed to understand that you are in control of where you are and what you do and how you treat others. These often looked over ideas will land someone in a fight they didn't want but in the end all you can blame is yourself
@Lillymill I mean seriously asking for the guy in the video to fight a kickboxer? what significance does that have?show me a video on youtube of a violent street fight which involved somebody using muay thai.. mma is a sport and almost a style unto itself.. your argument is as silly as me going on a boxing video and saying they have no knife defence.
@D1rectedBy Are you serious about the Shaolin kempo karate thing?
does this improve the chance of me stealing TV's and not getting spotted?
@JRMtronica I respect your opinion, i see these comments all the time. Their are 1000 other things the sensei could of done, but he is breaking down a technique that needs to be taught which may work for someone. In a bar you see a bouncer having issues with a patron if he is good at self defense you will see him locking the guy up before the guy gets to go for another swing the guy may still be trying to get free but he is less effective. Multiply opponents would be different again.
oh nice bro! i always wanted to learn ninjitsu stuff, u in the usa?, i stay in texas trying to do the mma thing but i enjoy all the arts like karate and aki jujitsu
@Tieris boxing is the shit, raw power.....doesn't hurt having speed though, which do you prefer?
Yep, he'd gouge our eyes out with his spinning dance moves, right.
In any martial art or even gymnastics, it is a well known fact the body follows the head, so, with the stance of the attacker be left foot lead, it would be easier and just as effective to side step right while reaching for the head, step back, using the leverage of the your foot position, the weight of the person's head, and the fulcrum of their left foot forward stance.
Of course if you've got your hands at their head, a slap to the ear, eye, throat is already available. Thanks for hearing me.
a truly powerful strike will start with motion generated at the planted foot, this allows you to generate energy with little or even no movement of the arm.
A lot of these comments are stupid. The point of this video is getting AWAY, not getting into a fight.
How are you going to get away and keep going. If your confronted by a thug and he has 5 of his buddies around the corner, your not going to stand there and take on one thug while 5 of his buddies show up to piñata your @$$. I would do this. I would do that, I'm a BB in BJJ or blah, blah, blah. When you've been confronted in life and death situations and caught slippin, sometimes your best option is to GTHO of a situation as fast as possible, not stay there and collect points. RUclips...where ignorance is an everyday occurrence.
Interesting. I like it. It seems speed plays an importnt role in martial arts.
Does this only work for some one who throws their one punch with full force? For an example a boxer, they put all their energy in one punch which means they are liable to be off balance.
@gomergilligan You are right about it. Against quick boxing jabs you can't do much, and you can't apply this technique for sure. But, if you face boxer or any person who knows how to fight, the smartest is to step back and keep stepping back when jabs are thrown (unless you want to box). The hope is that attacking person will after some time loose patience and try to knock you down with hard punch with steping forward and giving you therefore energy you need from him to perform this technique.
@reallyletsdoit because it would be such a great instructional video if they did it in full speed and one of them ended seriously injured on the ground... please!
That's not what I meant, by twisting the chin, you put the pressure on the neck. But you know nak muay can resist to really hard traction on the neck, and judokas use their chin to block chokes and when the chin is well placed your whole body can't take it away of your chest. And again, why spinning ? you just give time to the opponent to strike back, move back or defend. As it has been said before a elbow can strike quickly.
This can work in some scenarios. It's very hard to hold onto someone when they spin. A practitioner with a wrestling background might use something like this to hit a Peterson Roll when grabbed, or use it in conjunction with an arm drag to take the back. Hating on this move is silly, because it's using human kinetics. As part of a chain of techniques this can be extremely effective as a setup.
ok bro so how can i get you to teach me or recommend someone in my area? You are a true professional...
@UrSoMeanBoss yes, i dont know martial arts. but at start (when they fight fast) the contrincant makes only a hit and he doesnt move. sorry for my bad english im not english
This is an awesome technique. Hat's off to the SuubUrbanNInja! It's about body movement, body position, sensitivity. This can be done in a fraction of second (when properly trained). Remember the Ninja was evasive (this technique requires zero MUSCLE Strength). I remember from my BJJ training a terse Brazilian accent "no muscle, no muscle - use technique, position, leverage." and BJJ is a sport, this Art was designed to kill silently.
I feel the idea behind this one. I wish I was in Harlem so I could test it, just because I think the opponent could just pivot on his rear foot and get his space back between you. I think if done without the spin, it the opponent would be on the mat before having the chance to even react. I like the Taisabaki concepts you guys teach, and I constantly check out your stuff. Just wanted to put in my two cents.
:-) you are right the video itself is not that much of an example. I was trying to explain the kamae and nagare used to perform the what looks like a dancing move spin.