Veritas Box Makers Plow Review
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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I'm taking a look at the Veritas Box-Maker's Plow Plane, doing a features overview, deep dive, review, and comparing it to the Record 043.
The Boxmaker's plow plane is is a miniature plow plane that is great for box or drawer bottoms, box lids, small beads, and anything else where a small groove is needed.
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I was considering a plow plane but didn't want to go the eBay & clean up route when I came across your videos of this box-maker's plane. I watched them about a dozen times each and can't thank you enough! Now I'm on the hunt for replacement screws I can get locally for the fence adjustment. Thanks again for your excellent videos!
You're welcome! Glad it was helpful 😊. I bought my screws from McMaster, so hopefully you can find something similar locally. It's a pretty nice upgrade in my opinion, well worth it.
Very detailed overview. Playing the role of the manufacturer's rep was interesting perspective to include in the review. Avoids a poor quailty Zoom call too.
haha thanks! A little slice of the old case review days... We had talked about doing a video call of some sort, but I figured by the time we coordinated that and the time spent on it, this was probably as good an approach as any, short of having them here to do it in person (not on my budget lol)
Good review. The 043 can be used for beading if you file the skate. I’m not saying you should do it as it’s cast iron, not steel, ad won’t e as strong.
Bu I did it to my 043 a few years ago and it works. I only filed the skate enough for 3/16” and 14” beads. The 1/8” size would have made the cas skate on thin.
I used irons from a stanly #50 plane, which I hppn to have.
Good point, it's certainly possible to modify it to work.
I've used a Record 043 for several decades.
I recently acquire the Veritas version w/all the irons,
I like that all the screws use the same tool an Allen wrench. Having the rods attached to the fence improves parallelism. I like the improved ergonomics of the casting.
I have not used the Veritas enough , yet, but I foresee it becoming my go-to.
Awesome, it's definitely a great tool. I hope to enjoy mine for a long time as well. It sits in my tool chest along side one of my 043s
Would a same thickness shim work to position the one eighth and one sixteenth blade in place for the hold down screw to work?
Possibly, but I'm unsure if that would be strong enough to not bend, if it were thin enough to fit and hold tightly. Could be worth a shot though, since the Veritas irons are on the expensive side
One thing I think Veritas should offer is a 7 or 8 slot plow plane cutter roll. Similar to the setup for the 044 cutters in concert. You organize left or right and imperial or metric. Or beading vs straight etc. these would fit in a box like yours.
that would be kind of nice. I'm thinking about making a small box for this plane, including a sub-box for the plane irons; like a #45/55/all the rest
@@MosquitoMade I found a small wooden toolbox that I have the plows in.
@@waynecox5138 Actually, I've got an old Stanley sweetheart toolbox I could use too... I haven't had that thing out in ages... I should put a bottom on it, and use it for something
Salve, complimenti per il video molto utile, volevo chiederti, secondo te e' normale che il ferro non sia affilato per niente quando arriva ? oppure non e' cosi importante che sia affilato come quello di una pialla . Grazie se mi vorrai rispondere. Ciao.
Non mi preoccuperei troppo che un ferro non sia affilato, poiché dovrai comunque essere in grado di affilarlo. Non riesco a pensare a nessuna pialla che abbia mai comprato nuova che non abbia comunque affilato prima di usarla. Speriamo che aiuti! Ho dovuto eseguirlo tramite Google Translate, quindi se non ha senso, ecco perché! :D
Also there is a value proposition if you have their small plow and share cutters. Also they do make a tool roll for cutters.
I think the value of shared irons with the small plow (as mentioned at the end) is a big help on the irons front. The cost of the irons almost doubles the package price otherwise... I might have to buy a small plow now too lol
I’m considering the small plow as well. Only question is how many plow planes does one really need? Lol
@Wayne Cox I haven't found the answer to that yet, but I'll let you know if I do! 😆
Can you use Stanley 45 irons? Is the notch the same? Great review. I have the 43 and use it alt. I love Veritas stuff, so I’ll probably end with it at some point.
Yeah, in the section on irons I covered that the larger 45 irons fit the box makers plow plane, but for 1/8 and 3/16 they're too narrow. I would suspect the same lever cap part was used in the small plow, making the results the same on that one too. On the box makers plow the notch doesn't matter. I can check later if the notch is the same size, I don't have a small plow to test them in though
I made more guides for my right and left handed Veritas skew block plane. It was no problem to make and match up to the tapped section of the fence (not the same but an analogous situation). Also - I dislike the brass thumb screws, I want the tool option. I DON’T like the thumb screws on their small plow plane (I grab a wrench to tighten them).
Understandable. I can always swap out to the stainless ones I have, which have a slotted head in them, or add a slot to my brass thumb screws too. For now, I get a good enough grip with these for me, though. I don't have any experience with the skew block plane, so I can't really speak to the fence, but at first glance they don't look the same. I'm guessing the fence screws in to the plane body, and then you have a collet type mechanism for tightening the fence to the rod? That's not how these work, unfortunately, or they'd be a lot easier to make.
@@MosquitoMade On the skew plane the actual wooden component of the fence screws into the metal fence. I made a new wooden component (at 17 degrees) and countersunk for the screws without issue. I didn’t find it difficult to line these up. I drilled a small pilot from the flat side and then drilled back with a tapered bit slightly wider than the screw (which gives a mm or so of slop to help alignment).
@@toddlarsen6215 Don't get me wrong, I fully understand how one would go about replacing the wood, but it's certainly not as simple as "I held it in place and drove a screw in", was the point
PLOUGH plane do you mean .
Haha, not according to the name on the box 😉
I'm just wondering whether 'box making' might refer tio making box wood inserts for the tradtitional style wooden bodied profile planes. I can see how this plane could be excellent for making the rebates in profile plane bodies, and for fitting the wood inserts into those rebates. Both operations would probably have the workpiece held in a vice, so the fixed guide bars would then make sense. Replacing those box wood inserts is generally referred to as reboxing, so it's a mildly plausible theory? I can't imagine Veritas would market a tool for such a niche use, but it's kinda fun to wonder about the product name. Thank your for making this excellent review which is very well presented with really interesting content, only one glaringly obvious error, which was "I own a couple of 45s". A couple!?!? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I own a couple and I curate a lot? 🤣. That would be interesting, I could see it doing a good job of cutting grooves and rabbets for boxing. It'd be easier holding things in a vise for sure
I still dont understand even though I saw an explanation from Rob about why they made the rear fence rod hole tolerance so loose. None of their other roded planes that I own have slop so why did they intentionally introduce it here. I find it makes the plane feel cheap. Your review is fantastic btw. Excellent IPM (information per minute, lol)
Haha thank you. Honestly that's likely a production cost compromise if I had to guess. With the price it came in at I was actually kind of surprised how affordable it was. It was cheaper than I expected, but that's likely a compromise on a few areas
Not gonna lie... This helped with my decision for Record 43. Now if only my string inlay kit would ship lol.
haha my biggest frustration with Lee Valley is the lack of inventory/supply. It seems things go to backorder quite often, and often times the date keeps getting pushed further and further away, even after ordering it (it took 2 years beyond the initial 3 week backorder for something I had ordered)
Nice review. I’m sure you have something wants to trade for some shorter rods.😁
Thanks! I've already got a couple things "in the queue" with Kenny, so I don't wanna add any more yet lol I might give it a try myself, though not quite sure how yet
Would you consider the left hand version?
I've actually considered that, yeah. I've never used a left hand version, but in cases where the grain just sucks, I could see it being useful (if I can make it work lol)
Good review! I'm sure this will be so helpful information to those who's considering this plane and I want one now! Haha. I happened to start watching this video because my box was there and I was gonna finish it later but I ended watching this all the way. You can through away the paper thing around! I like the editing style, too!!
Thank you! It's info I was looking for, and didn't find lol I could throw away the paper thing, but I like it! :D Also, most of the clips in the background of the green screen at the end were of the box that went to you :) I've got other clips of that, which I hope to put in to its own separate video too... we'll see. Thank you, the editing took a ton of time, but it was kind of fun learning some new techniques (and building some reusable templates). Too many hobbies!
@@MosquitoMade I realize the live edge box but I just wasn't sure if it was the one came to me(you might have made bunches so). Anyways, you are already good at video making! and you are expanding your hobbies like woodworking -> camera/recording gears -> editing ----> and what's next? let's enjoy the rabbit hole, haha:)
@YRTi Just the one box, I don't have enough time to make more You forgot the tool collecting, computer case modding/scratch building, the vintage woodworking machine rebuilding/restoring, saxophone, small electronics... oh how time flies! ⏳
The long rods thing definitely seems a bit annoying for hold fasts and small parts. It might be a little gut-wrenching, but did you consider knocking an inch off with a hacksaw and some file cleanup? The small plow offset is up to 1 1/2" (compared to 2 1/2" on this) and I've never heard complaints about the small plow offset being too short. Alternatively, a really thick fence will alleviate that somewhat (but how far do you really wanna take that?)
Absolutely loved the thoroughness of this review.
I'm thinking that starting from scratch this is a great option that will work for a long time, at least until you find the need for a combination plane. The small plow has some nice little upgrades but becomes pretty redundant once you have a combination plane. This little guy is different enough from the combo to be a nice little "one-task tool" even after the combination plane is handling everything else for you.
Thank you! I did ask Veritas if they had any plans of selling either short rods, or replacement rods, specifically for that reason (the answer was not at this time, but would consider if there was significant demand). The idea of a thicker fence isn't a bad one, and if I find it to be a significant issue for me, I might just go that route (but I would feel a little ridiculous with a 1-1/2" thick fence lol).
I do think the box maker's plow plane is a great addition to a full combination plane. I agree with your assessment that the small plow has a lot more overlap with a combination plane than this one does. I also think the small has a pretty large overlap with this one as well. if I could only have one, maybe the small plow would be the answer, but I just love this form factor so much that I'd be more likely to have this and a larger combination plane, if that was my alternative
@@MosquitoMade I was told by customer service that they could put me in contact with the Special Orders dept. and quote me a new fence assembly (that I could then cut down myself). I never did get that quote as I'm sure it'd be more than I'm willing to add to a $160 plane, but it's apparently an option.
Good to know! It would be a lot better if it was just rods, I'd assume you are right about the cost including the fence assembly lol
Thanks for the comprehensive look at this plane! I'd really like to know if you were without any plow planes right now if this would be a candidate for your first one. It sounds like in comparison to the record 43 it's super reasonably priced, but it's hard to tell in comparison to a Stanley 45 (more expensive than this, bigger, likely needs restoration)
Oooh good question. I think that depends on what type of work you do/want to do. I think it's a pretty good option if you plan to do more basic/smaller stuff. A Stanley #45 is a more capable tool than the Box Maker's Plow, or Record 043, but it's also a much larger plane (I would argue though, that if you got the box maker's plus all the irons for it, you could find a pretty nice #45 for $300).
Personally, if I were buying my first combination plane right now, I would probably consider the Veritas small plow plane if I wanted new, or a Record 050 or later type Stanley #50 for vintage. I think they're a little more versatile than a box maker's plow plane, because they can user some wider irons fir bigger rabbets/grooves, and they can also do tongue and Groove (and a few other sizes of beads, flutes, and other such specialty irons)
Thanks! I'll keep on the lookout for the Stanley #50 / Record 050 too then!
Best of luck! Hard to go wrong with either, as long as you've got the irons you need
What about making stopped grooves?
I haven't tried it with this one, but it might be on the annoying side to be honest. I might give it a try in a short just for fun though
Just posted a video about it, thanks for the inspiration to do so! ruclips.net/video/_wh_qhCCTUg/видео.html
They should sell short rods.
Hey Wayne! I totally agree. If I had a metal lathe, I'd already have short rods lol I was also thinking if I had a spare Record 043 fence with no other use, I would consider drilling out the fence holes to use one of those fences on it instead
Do you know if the veritas irons fit the 043 ?
Good question, yes the standard irons work in the 043 (but not beading irons)
@@MosquitoMade Awesome, good to know !
No problem
Plough or plow?
Plowing Plough? :D On their website they call it Plow, presumably because they're in North America. It's funny, though, because I did think of that (much like rebate vs rabbet)