Another excellent video. 24 hours ago I stuck mine on an 85Ah Varta battery that was 4 years old when it was taken out of my car around a year ago as it was no longer holding its charge due to lack of use; the battery was reading just over 4v before I powered up the charger. Once switched on it started what I assume is NOCO's automatic pulse charging as it fluctuated between ~19v then down to ~7v, earlier today it was reading just over 12v and showing 25% charged, just now it's ~13.5v and showing 50%. As for the 40Ah maximum battery, NOCO has stated that it's what they put in the chart they included for charge times v's capacity along with other batteries of lower capacity (8, 12, 18, 24) and people mistook it for being the maximum. I've seen 1* reviews being given because it won't charge their pancaked 100Ah batteries in an hour and other just as stupid reasons. NOCO really should make it clearer that this is more of a trickle-charge/maintainer and not an out & out charger. I'm looking forward to your next video testing it. ̶C̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶w̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶o̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶c̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶e̶s̶u̶l̶f̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶f̶i̶n̶d̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶e̶r̶e̶n̶c̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶r̶g̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶u̶t̶o̶m̶a̶g̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶r̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶&̶ ̶s̶t̶o̶p̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶o̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶e̶ NM, found it, press & hold mode for 3 sec. then press again for 12v repair mode.
@@razenby Ah, I must have missed that, was it in one of the four videos (4, lol, I bet you can no longer stand the sight of this) or a separate video? I'll rewatch them again in any case, I'll use a different IP & account for the algorithm. My charger has finished working its magic on the old battery and it's sat at 13.2v, I've taken it off now & I'll monitor the battery to see if/how much the voltage drops. I'm planning on fitting the charger in the engine bay or battery box (as the 2DUK), I'll cut the mains lead short and source some kind of small, waterproof plug & socket combo, but I'd better do it quickly as my son is threatening to "liberate" it as he's having issues with his motorbike battery or alternator or wiring which we need to get to the bottom of and he's sick of having to push-start the thing and he says my old charger is like lugging around a microwave. Pffft, kids these days. :D
@@Bob_Dub it is common for chargers that you need run charging cycle again, 2-3 times, let battery rest 24-48h and start charging again, and also measure achieved voltage after 24-48h resting. Ctek mxs5 requires 3 cycles to charge 50Ah battery from 0 to 100% -> ruclips.net/video/KIVrW9tgI0E/видео.html
I just used a 1 amp Schumacher manual battery charger for my BMW 1000 CCA battery that was at 11.2 volts from sitting for a year disconnected, and it would not start my car, I also used my PulseTech PowerPulse battery desulfator connected to the battery and left it with the charger on it for 72 hours, and then left the desulfator on it for a week, it now starts my car just fine.
Have you tried testing for “load dump” i.e. when the charger is connected to the vehicle and user engages the stater. When stater engages the battery voltage will drop, then upon dis-engagement the battery voltage will spike.
Do you mean starting the car with the charger connected? All of these chargers have a current limit on the secondary charging side. They just shit down or limit when the terminal voltage drops. You will get back EMF from the starter but the battery impedance is so low that the battery itself will shut any transient.
Thank you very much, very interesting. It will be great if you can teardown Genius 2D, which intended for in-car mounting. Is it really vibration resistant, how should be?.. And how Noco can get +100 degrees non-working high temp limit (according to manual)…
Thanks for watching. I have a Noco Genuis 2 maintaining my Jaguar battery for nearly four years at 24/7 and it is still working fine. I am not keen to tear it down. I can say that because it is so light it dangling/ from the socket and had a few bumps and drops without any issues. I think it will be fine. In a car the damp is a bigger problem than the vibration. Thermal cycling causes the product to breathe in humid air and then rapid temperature drops that cross the dew point cause internal condensation.
you can probably charge larger batteries than 40Ah with this, probably this is a limit for fully discharged batteries, I suppose there is timer timer limit for bulk charge stage, but you may need repeat charging cycle few times
I agree. It will charge most batteries just fine. The manufacturing cost of the next size up is probably very close to this model. It is probably a marketing ploy to direct you to the next model thus maximizing profits from the car market.
@@razenby I don’t know about marketing ploy but the charger has a function where it will show a faulty battery light if the charger fails to fully charge a battery within a certain maximum time, In the case of this 2 amp charger it will take roughly 20 hours to fully charge a fully discharged 40Ah battery, so the fault light will be set somewhere between 20 - 30 hrs, In case of a 90Ah battery that max time limit will have to be somewhere near a 50 hr Mark, In that case that set maximum time will be excessive for a 40Ah or smaller battery, I think that is the reason NOCO only recommended this 2 Amp charger for up to 40Ah batteries. They do make a 10 Amp charger for larger batteries.
@@vrod1a Good point. If the feature is there then I guess you could run it twice. I think it is a marketing plot to address the whole range of the market. Bear in mind that the recommended charging current for most starter batteries is just a measly 3A. Question: Why make a charger that is adequate for all batteries but limit to 40Ah unless you are in a hurry? Answer: So you can sell a more expensive charger with almost the exact same components for a lot more margin. The difference in component cost between a 2A and 5A charger is less than US$4. Marketing...
There is no thermal fuse . There are 2 fuses: 1. The standard mains fuse is pointed out at 18:06 . 2. To protect the low voltage DC side there is an output fuse built into the battery leads
@@razenby Oh right o.k. Thank-you. I just noticed a picture on the rear cover cover of the charger that looks like a thermal fuse that says T3.15A. Very strange.
Pretty sure PC is just photocoupler. Price aside, this seems like a much better option than the CTEK. I'll be waiting for your follow up video before buying, but right now plan on getting a Genius 2 or 5. Don't really need fast charging, just AGM maintenance.
Yes, You are right. I wonder why three? I had a bit of a brain fart. I did put a text labels on the screen exclaiming that I didn't know what I was talking about!!
I liked the review videos. It takes courage to dismantle the new Genius2 device. I'm afraid to turn on the new device. I want to buy Foxsur 12v 6A- 24v-3Amper charger. The price is low. Would you recommend it?
i guess im randomly asking but does any of you know of a way to get back into an Instagram account? I was dumb forgot my password. I appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
@Cristiano Kelvin thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site through google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now. Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
17:05 According to the manufacturer's description: „An integrated thermal sensor detects the ambient temperature and alters the charge to eliminate over-charging in hot climates and under-charging in cold climates”. It is a bit difficult for me to imagine how it works, closed in a hermetic (IP65) casing.
@@Bob_Dub In the absence of natural or forced ventilation, all heat remains locked in the box. The sensor has no direct contact with the environment. That is why I am curious how it was solved, but we'll see about that in the next part of the test. This version is not very strong so the heat problem should not occur, but anyway, let's see what (hopefully soon) Magic Smoke will show us. However, I am afraid that based on the temperature inside the device, the charging current is reduced to protect against overheating. Nothing more.
@@Tab7.6.Tab7.6 _"In the absence of natural or forced ventilation, all heat remains locked in the box"_ I think if that were true then all houses would be constructed from the same plastic as the case, we'd save a fortune in heating/cooling costs. You can't honestly think that without ventilation the heat would remain within the case indefinitely, right?
@@Bob_Dub Indeed, the phrase “all heat remains locked in the box” is quite unfortunate, but it was a mental shortcut. However, it is obvious that plastic is not the best heat conductor and in this case it works more as an isolator than a radiator. Instead of picking on words, let's wait peacefully for the temperature compensation test results. Maybe I unfairly judge this device in advance, or maybe it is just simply another marketing mumbo jumbo. We will see it soon.
Yeah i bought the genius 5 a couple months ago over the genius 2 because of the forced mode and the repair mode. Supposedly similar charging sequence like the ctek.. i think the final optimization mode in the noco is like ctek sequence 7. And then they both monitor voltage and start charging if the voltage drops below a set figure.
@@kurumsal9793 I used to say no.. but I have more emails from viewers stating that the charge won't complete because of bleed current drawn by the car circuitry even when parked and the ignition is switched off. I would say try it and see if the charge completed light comes on. If not then disconnect the battery from the vehicle and try again.
Actually this is incorrect, it is not Shinko Electric (Fujitsu), but rather “Shiko or Siko” Associative Company (合同会社/Goudou-kasha), and the “PSE” enclosed in a diamond shape marks above that are the Japanese Underwriter’s Lab equivalent for UL-certification for mandatory electrical product safety (mostly AC to DC devices) in accordance to PSE law in Japan. The “CQC” marking means “China Quality Certification” which defines the safety testing carried out by the company “Shiko or Siko Associative Company” was also approved in China. You can read more on the Japanese and Chinese certification safety markings here: www.ul.com/services/pse-psc-and-s-marks-japan www.jqa.jp/english/safety/service/mandatory/pse/ en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_on_Product_Safety_of_Electrical_Appliances_and_Materials www.rpclab.com/en/international_asia.php
Great review, I am very impressed with the Noco Genius 5 and 10 battery chargers with a repair mode function.
Thanks for watching!
I have one of those Digi-Key rulers too. Thanks for the debriefing on the NOCO 2.
Did you notice that Digikey printed the wrong domain name on the ruler? Thanks for watching.
Another excellent video.
24 hours ago I stuck mine on an 85Ah Varta battery that was 4 years old when it was taken out of my car around a year ago as it was no longer holding its charge due to lack of use; the battery was reading just over 4v before I powered up the charger. Once switched on it started what I assume is NOCO's automatic pulse charging as it fluctuated between ~19v then down to ~7v, earlier today it was reading just over 12v and showing 25% charged, just now it's ~13.5v and showing 50%.
As for the 40Ah maximum battery, NOCO has stated that it's what they put in the chart they included for charge times v's capacity along with other batteries of lower capacity (8, 12, 18, 24) and people mistook it for being the maximum. I've seen 1* reviews being given because it won't charge their pancaked 100Ah batteries in an hour and other just as stupid reasons. NOCO really should make it clearer that this is more of a trickle-charge/maintainer and not an out & out charger.
I'm looking forward to your next video testing it. ̶C̶a̶n̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶s̶e̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶w̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶a̶n̶y̶ ̶i̶n̶f̶o̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶m̶a̶n̶u̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶c̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶d̶e̶s̶u̶l̶f̶a̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶e̶?̶ ̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶f̶i̶n̶d̶ ̶r̶e̶f̶e̶r̶e̶n̶c̶e̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶c̶h̶a̶r̶g̶e̶r̶ ̶a̶u̶t̶o̶m̶a̶g̶i̶c̶a̶l̶l̶y̶ ̶s̶t̶a̶r̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶&̶ ̶s̶t̶o̶p̶p̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶r̶e̶c̶o̶v̶e̶r̶y̶ ̶m̶o̶d̶e̶ NM, found it, press & hold mode for 3 sec. then press again for 12v repair mode.
Interesting. I released another video showing the desulph mode.
@@razenby Ah, I must have missed that, was it in one of the four videos (4, lol, I bet you can no longer stand the sight of this) or a separate video? I'll rewatch them again in any case, I'll use a different IP & account for the algorithm.
My charger has finished working its magic on the old battery and it's sat at 13.2v, I've taken it off now & I'll monitor the battery to see if/how much the voltage drops.
I'm planning on fitting the charger in the engine bay or battery box (as the 2DUK), I'll cut the mains lead short and source some kind of small, waterproof plug & socket combo, but I'd better do it quickly as my son is threatening to "liberate" it as he's having issues with his motorbike battery or alternator or wiring which we need to get to the bottom of and he's sick of having to push-start the thing and he says my old charger is like lugging around a microwave. Pffft, kids these days. :D
@@Bob_Dub it is common for chargers that you need run charging cycle again, 2-3 times, let battery rest 24-48h and start charging again, and also measure achieved voltage after 24-48h resting. Ctek mxs5 requires 3 cycles to charge 50Ah battery from 0 to 100% -> ruclips.net/video/KIVrW9tgI0E/видео.html
I just used a 1 amp Schumacher manual battery charger for my BMW 1000 CCA battery that was at 11.2 volts from sitting for a year disconnected, and it would not start my car, I also used my PulseTech PowerPulse battery desulfator connected to the battery and left it with the charger on it for 72 hours, and then left the desulfator on it for a week, it now starts my car just fine.
@@razenby Do you have the RUclips video link so I can watch it, you have so many videos?
Have you tried testing for “load dump” i.e. when the charger is connected to the vehicle and user engages the stater. When stater engages the battery voltage will drop, then upon dis-engagement the battery voltage will spike.
Do you mean starting the car with the charger connected? All of these chargers have a current limit on the secondary charging side. They just shit down or limit when the terminal voltage drops. You will get back EMF from the starter but the battery impedance is so low that the battery itself will shut any transient.
Nice informative video. Would you recommend the Genius Noco 1 or the Optimate 1 Duo? Thanks.
Both are good.
Thank you very much, very interesting. It will be great if you can teardown Genius 2D, which intended for in-car mounting. Is it really vibration resistant, how should be?.. And how Noco can get +100 degrees non-working high temp limit (according to manual)…
Thanks for watching. I have a Noco Genuis 2 maintaining my Jaguar battery for nearly four years at 24/7 and it is still working fine. I am not keen to tear it down. I can say that because it is so light it dangling/ from the socket and had a few bumps and drops without any issues. I think it will be fine. In a car the damp is a bigger problem than the vibration. Thermal cycling causes the product to breathe in humid air and then rapid temperature drops that cross the dew point cause internal condensation.
you can probably charge larger batteries than 40Ah with this, probably this is a limit for fully discharged batteries, I suppose there is timer timer limit for bulk charge stage, but you may need repeat charging cycle few times
I agree. It will charge most batteries just fine. The manufacturing cost of the next size up is probably very close to this model. It is probably a marketing ploy to direct you to the next model thus maximizing profits from the car market.
@@razenby
I don’t know about marketing ploy but the charger has a function where it will show a faulty battery light if the charger fails to fully charge a battery within a certain maximum time,
In the case of this 2 amp charger it will take roughly 20 hours to fully charge a fully discharged 40Ah battery, so the fault light will be set somewhere between 20 - 30 hrs,
In case of a 90Ah battery that max time limit will have to be somewhere near a 50 hr Mark,
In that case that set maximum time will be excessive for a 40Ah or smaller battery,
I think that is the reason NOCO only recommended this 2 Amp charger for up to 40Ah batteries.
They do make a 10 Amp charger for larger batteries.
@@vrod1a Good point. If the feature is there then I guess you could run it twice. I think it is a marketing plot to address the whole range of the market. Bear in mind that the recommended charging current for most starter batteries is just a measly 3A. Question: Why make a charger that is adequate for all batteries but limit to 40Ah unless you are in a hurry? Answer: So you can sell a more expensive charger with almost the exact same components for a lot more margin. The difference in component cost between a 2A and 5A charger is less than US$4. Marketing...
@@razenby Excellent comment Congratulations. There is a cost difference of $ 4. But noco1 = 50 $, noco2 = 75 $, noco5 = 100 $, noco10 = 175 $ american. Marketing trick ...
I'm struggling to find the thermal fuse inside my Genius 2 I've looked everywhere. Have I overlooked it. 🤔
There is no thermal fuse . There are 2 fuses:
1. The standard mains fuse is pointed out at 18:06 .
2. To protect the low voltage DC side there is an output fuse built into the battery leads
@@razenby Oh right o.k. Thank-you. I just noticed a picture on the rear cover cover of the charger that looks like a thermal fuse that says T3.15A. Very strange.
@@squidgypants722 3-.15 A is the one pointer out at 18.06
@@razenby Oh right o.k. Thank-you for clearing that up. Very much appreciated. 👍
I like disassembly
Thanks for watching.
What's the screwdriver type to open it 😊. I know it is triangle head but what size
Not sure I bought a cheap set of triangular bits years ago and just pick one that fits....
@@razenby found the set and one of them fits perfectly fine. think it is 2.0 size if it helps somebody
Pretty sure PC is just photocoupler. Price aside, this seems like a much better option than the CTEK. I'll be waiting for your follow up video before buying, but right now plan on getting a Genius 2 or 5. Don't really need fast charging, just AGM maintenance.
Yes, You are right. I wonder why three? I had a bit of a brain fart. I did put a text labels on the screen exclaiming that I didn't know what I was talking about!!
Very true about Chinese production, naturally china is incredibly rich nowadays and will just move manufacturing to much lesser developed countries.
China may no longer have a choice. If you are no longer allowed to 'copy' then you have to be creative and therein lies the problem.
Hi, is this better than the Noco Genius 1?
Never seen one so I cant comment,.
Thanks god bless
Always welcome
I liked the review videos. It takes courage to dismantle the new Genius2 device. I'm afraid to turn on the new device. I want to buy Foxsur 12v 6A- 24v-3Amper charger. The price is low. Would you recommend it?
There are several models of the foxsur. Which one are you considering?
i guess im randomly asking but does any of you know of a way to get back into an Instagram account?
I was dumb forgot my password. I appreciate any assistance you can offer me.
@Zayn Wesson Instablaster =)
@Cristiano Kelvin thanks so much for your reply. I got to the site through google and Im waiting for the hacking stuff now.
Looks like it's gonna take quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
@Cristiano Kelvin It did the trick and I actually got access to my account again. Im so happy!
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17:05 According to the manufacturer's description: „An integrated thermal sensor detects the ambient temperature and alters the charge to eliminate over-charging in hot climates and under-charging in cold climates”. It is a bit difficult for me to imagine how it works, closed in a hermetic (IP65) casing.
I'll test that next....
Surely it only means it's protected against water & dust ingress, there's no reason why it would make it thermally insulated.
@@Bob_Dub In the absence of natural or forced ventilation, all heat remains locked in the box. The sensor has no direct contact with the environment. That is why I am curious how it was solved, but we'll see about that in the next part of the test. This version is not very strong so the heat problem should not occur, but anyway, let's see what (hopefully soon) Magic Smoke will show us. However, I am afraid that based on the temperature inside the device, the charging current is reduced to protect against overheating. Nothing more.
@@Tab7.6.Tab7.6 _"In the absence of natural or forced ventilation, all heat remains locked in the box"_
I think if that were true then all houses would be constructed from the same plastic as the case, we'd save a fortune in heating/cooling costs. You can't honestly think that without ventilation the heat would remain within the case indefinitely, right?
@@Bob_Dub Indeed, the phrase “all heat remains locked in the box” is quite unfortunate, but it was a mental shortcut. However, it is obvious that plastic is not the best heat conductor and in this case it works more as an isolator than a radiator. Instead of picking on words, let's wait peacefully for the temperature compensation test results. Maybe I unfairly judge this device in advance, or maybe it is just simply another marketing mumbo jumbo. We will see it soon.
Stanley Black and Decker has big problems with copyright protection that China never give a damn about it. The same thing with Makita brushless tools.
I guess that is one of the reasons have moved operations to Vietnam. The main reason was to avoid US import duties in the tradewar,
I'd like to see that demarcation area tested.
Make some Magic Smoke. :D
Great suggestion!
square inside square symbol means that appliance does not require connection to ground for safety en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appliance_classes
Good info.. I am a bit doubtful about the isolation on this supply. There are no anti-tracking gaps in the PCB. Ill test it and see...
👍. I just bought genius 5 .
This one looks OK so far... I'll test in the next video.
@@razenby Super . I can’t wait 😁 .
Yeah i bought the genius 5 a couple months ago over the genius 2 because of the forced mode and the repair mode. Supposedly similar charging sequence like the ctek.. i think the final optimization mode in the noco is like ctek sequence 7. And then they both monitor voltage and start charging if the voltage drops below a set figure.
@casparow123 Following. +1
@casparow123 I have the same question as you 🙂 I hope Magic Smoke give us some answer
Is this device having a microprocessor ?
Yes. An Atmel AVR
This unit didnt work on my 60ah car batteries 🔋 😩 i had to exchange for the noco 5
Was it still connected to the car at the time of charge?
Is it necessary to remove the battery from the car while charging?
@@kurumsal9793 I used to say no.. but I have more emails from viewers stating that the charge won't complete because of bleed current drawn by the car circuitry even when parked and the ignition is switched off. I would say try it and see if the charge completed light comes on. If not then disconnect the battery from the vehicle and try again.
＠9:51 That’s Japanese on the bottom left 😑
Shinko Japan Godokaisha, i.e. Shinko Electric Industries Co., LTD
Thanks. Not sure if that is good sign or not !!
Actually this is incorrect, it is not Shinko Electric (Fujitsu), but rather “Shiko or Siko” Associative Company (合同会社/Goudou-kasha), and the “PSE” enclosed in a diamond shape marks above that are the Japanese Underwriter’s Lab equivalent for UL-certification for mandatory electrical product safety (mostly AC to DC devices) in accordance to PSE law in Japan. The “CQC” marking means “China Quality Certification” which defines the safety testing carried out by the company “Shiko or Siko Associative Company” was also approved in China. You can read more on the Japanese and Chinese certification safety markings here:
www.ul.com/services/pse-psc-and-s-marks-japan
www.jqa.jp/english/safety/service/mandatory/pse/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_on_Product_Safety_of_Electrical_Appliances_and_Materials
www.rpclab.com/en/international_asia.php
I want circuit simulation please for this charger
Sorry I have never seen a schematic diagram for a NOCO product. You have to work it out.