Why Rhaenyra Offered Clemency To Helaena Who She Knows Is Innocent 😇
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I assume Rhaenyra would’ve only taken in Heleana after what Aegon and Aemond ended up doing if they had won it’s sad she Heleana ends up ending her life the way she does
I think Aegon too because he was being forced but Aemond needed to die for killing Luke.
@@randycrawford1132I love Aemond but he did not have the morale high ground
@@randycrawford1132Aegon didn't originally want to be king. But after he got a taste of power he liked it. So at this time, he was probably not gonna bend the knee. Helaena unfortunetly was just caught in the middle of all of this and is fhe one who suffered the most
I really think her story is gonna be way more flushed out than how it ends in the book… I feel like she might jump trying to escape onto dragon back and miss or might be pushed or will have a more solid series of events leading to her suicide.
@@liamroberts2576 yeah
In the book, she actually liked her half siblings even in the show before they became traitors because Allison and Otto talking into their ears she genuinely loved her siblings
Also in the books Aegon didn't even want to be King and knew his father didn't want to be King. He only accepted for the sake of his brothers and sons, who (as he was told) would be killed
@@muktagogoi8877In the first season he didn't want to be king either
@@muktagogoi8877 He never wanted to be king. But Otto manipulated him into thinking that Rhaenyra would kill them for being a threat to her claim
@@Zoalde the deeper problem was Rhaenyra' heir being a bastard.
In the book they don't have any type of relationship, what part of the book is that?
I wish they'd have kept the scene of young Rhaenyra trying to teach Aegon to say her name in the first season
You can tell she love Halaena. Even in the series she was devastated that her child died out of vengeance for her.
Honestly Helaena more than anyone deserved better
I love how Rhaenyra says “sweet sister Helaena”… Like it’s physically impossible to dislike Helaena.
Atleast she loved her sister
In the show they changed this and the crown that belonged to Viserys and Jaehaerys before him was brought to Rhaenyra by Ser Erryk Cargyll. Ser Erryk was on the Kingsguard and he had been named sworn sword for Rhaenyra replacing Harwin Strong.
So when he learned of Viserys' death and the plans to crown Aegon, he went into the kings chambers and took the crown and then traveled to Dragonstone to give it to Rhaenyra. So when Aegon was crowned it was not with his father's crown but Instead they used the crown of Aegon the conqueror.
The sad thing is that Ser Arryk and Ser Erryk were identical twins both serving in the Kingsguard, but one took the side of Rhaenyra and the other for Aegon. And thus are on opposite sides of the coming war.
Conqueror's badass crown >>> random golden circlet . Jaehaerys should have wore it too after Maegor died !
@@nicksmithnutmilkJaehaerys was so broken by Maegor and his actions I think that he was desperate to step out of his shadow, so bad he even wore a different crown
@@nahlataha1744agreed
Like the Stanley's in the War of the rose's. One was always on the wining side to save the other and other benefits.
@@nicksmithnutmilk the conquerors crown was also the cruels crown 😬
Rhaenyra had a better shot at reasoning with Aegon rather than Alicent. He only accepted the crown out of fear for him and his children's lives. If Rhaenyra was more reassuring and maybe gave a shoulder for teenage Aegon to cry on, things may have gone differently
Rhaenyra already had ambitions when Aegon was born, the fact that she passed up the opportunity to groom him from infancy to be loyal to and admire her is her biggest mistake imo. She is a big sister!!! She could have SO much influence if she helped raise Aegon.
Before the deaths of Lucaerys and Jaehaerys there might have been a chance she could get through to him after all he really didn’t want it. But after that however any hope of a peaceful settlement was out the window
she never wanted to fight her family
Her "half brothers" and "sweet sister" lets y'know all ya need to know bout Rhaenyra's relationship with her siblings
Aegon rapes servants and aemond tried bashing her sons head in wtf has Helaena done . Nothing so shes the sweet sister . She's always wanted to do good by her including becoming her mum ( in law via jace )
Exactly. IMO she would’ve spared Helena and even her small children.
@@annavictrix I honestly think she would. The way she reacted to recent episode events let me know that for sure.
If I was Helaena I would have gotten on my dragon went to dragon stone with my kids and bent the knee.If Aegon would have won he would have never killed Helaena ,maybe divorce her but never kill especially if Allicent was still around and if Rhaenyra ended up winning her children would havve been safe.Maybe Daemon would not be happy with Helaena near Rhaenyra but with them so close he wouldn't try to hurt her.
If only
Helaena wasn't smart in the books or show.
My dude targeted Erryk and Rhaenys, why? They're the more reasonable and strategist persons on they're side, Rhaenys could make the Baratheons a Neutral party, besides she's more political figure head, strategic, same as Erryk meanwhile Daemon wants the Throne for him and his Children.
Rhaenyra and Daemon would imediatly kill Jahaerys and Maelor as they had stronger claims to the throne than Rhaenyra herself. Rhaenyra tried to torture a 9 year old Aemond for telling the truth. She and Daemon would 100% make sure that Viserys' male line would cease to exist so they could sit safely on the throne.
@@masterplokoon8803 no Rhaenyra would not do that he would put them on dangerous positions yes! Daemon meanwhile yes!
It would have been a nice touch, to show her forming a bond with her siblings on screen before the war, it would have added more to the show I think! And the decisions they all made!
‘Stolen crown?’ It was her father’s crown and she was his chosen heir. Showing a bit of favoritism for the rapist usurper, huh?
Aegon was his rightful heir. And that last part was her.
She can not inherit
@@ChristianAuditore14why not this not democracy the Kings word is law and everyone swore a oath that and the ones that broke it did for power greed and prejudice
I Concur
@Tranquility1222 The very precedent that put Viserys on the throne is the one that declares Aegon as king.
In the sight of gods and men, Aegon is the only one who is actually crowned by the faith thus rhaenyras coronation is invalid as it violates yet another precedent this one made by Aegon I, which has all legitimate targaryrn kings to be crowned by the faith. Furthermore the first precedent i mentioned It also calls in question the birth of rhaenyras heir jace, who is bastard of house strong, just like the old kings daughter saera head three bastard sons who attempted to lay claim on the throne and were rejected a child from the marriage laenor and rhaneyra is a bastard and not eligible to inheirt ans her trying to pass of such a child as rightful heir is high treason. Just like what cersei did with joffery. THIS in turn invalidates rhaneyra s claim yet again leaving aegon as heir, to be doing all this mental gymnastics to move around the fact she isn't suited for the throne. Any sane Lord who wants a peaceful and prosperous reign would declare for aegon
Even though she wasn't a good person that was a very generous offer. Assuming it wasn't a trap because that would make her look terrible.
Yeah, just like what your half-brother did after allowing the Blackfyre pretender Aenys to come to King's Landing to submit his petition for the Iron Throne after the death of King Maekar.
@@redoktober8164 exactly you would think she wouldn't want to be a kinslayer several times over like that Tree Zombie.
How was she not a good person? What I miss?
@@charmedlilsis1the entire story
@@jonx_Doe I didnt read the book so I guess I have to wait for season 2 of the show to see when she turns bad. Because she was a good person for all of season 1 of the show.
Rhaenyra never wanted a war even after the betrayal. Infact if Lucerys wasnt killed I believe tje dance of the dragons would have ended without any dancing.
Could you imagine if Aemond had some underlying respect for the crown enough to where he agreed with his father's named successor and arrived at dragon Stone on vhagar to bend the knee? Even if he wouldn't fight his brother at most he can shred his bannermen at worst vhagar is off the chess board
Another sister isn’t a real threat as a brother she would eventually had them killed.
Most likely Daemon or her supporters would kill them off so Jace can take the throne.
Stop thinking with you duck. Women can be rulers and have been throughout the centuries. Just because one's a man doesn't give hin right to naturally become king with his vile rapist character
Idk she never had any ill will towards her brothers until Aegon usurped the throne. They could’ve easily all consolidated their power n been a great dynasty. But the story is great and mirrors The Anarchy (the English history this derives from) very well.
@@paulraines9635Daemon would have killed his 3 nephews and the Strong boys . He wouldn't have let a bastard that's not his inherit the Iron Throne before his sons
@@nicksmithnutmilkdaemon literally defended jaces claim to the throne in episode 10 of the last season were the fuck do you people get this narrative that daemon had a problem with the strong boys or wanted his son's to rule ? I'm sick of this complete baseless assumption from green supporters it's fucking annoying.
Jakeryis????
jacaerys
jaecerys
that's how you're supposed to say it.
Although yes rhaenyra would have spared her half siblings and even kept them around daemon would killed them all the first chance he got so alicents fear was some what valid she wasn't afraid of rhaenyra killing her kids but daemon
On what basis ? You people keep saying this with literally no proof.
@@thatoneblackdude3333 you need proof LOL have you not seen daemon
@@M24071 yea and nothing he has done proves he'd just kill the green kids unprovoked.
@@M24071 despite all his flaws daemon holds his family and blood in high regard. He wouldn't have killed them. Threatened and scared them out of their wits so they don't dare slight them again - Yes, but kill them-no. He only sent the assassin when aemond killed luke, to kill him. The mistake of killing aegon's child haunted him. He's horrible person but he never plotted to kill any of blood relatives unprovoked.
I think she is based on Empress Matilda
Yeah,aleast Matlida lived to see her son be king😢
the entire dance is based on the anarchy. Rhaenyra = Matilda,
Aegon II=Stephen,
Viserys = Henry I,
Aegon III=Henry II
and Daemon=Geoffrey Plantagenet
the one-eyed 🤡
the change i’ll never forgive them for
ngl i clicked for the art, would love it if you placed the credits on a more visible part. Perhaps it's cos on the pc atm, but i didn't even see them on the first watch
I'm on the smartphone and I can't see them either
Jack Harris?
Jace- seris (phonetically)... Jace, shortened. Some same Jay-care-is. Who knows. The last doesn't make sense, and all the shows have actors mispronounce it in different ways. 😮
I love this line
I rewatched Season One again and I noticed that Rhaenyra never have any conversations with her half siblings. Even when they're on same scene, they mostly never talk to each other. It's always Aegon or Aemond talk or confront her sons.
king slayer you know the legend❤ jamie❤
and then she lost her son and lost her mind as well
Do cops not understand its the lawyers job to fight for their client?
Love her
She calls Heleana sister but refers to her brothers as half-brothers. 😅 Rhaenrya clearly had a favourite from the 4
Still the kinslayer was the only targaryan who made the realm perceive the power of dragons
Her father is right, she is the rightful heir
I hope can react to the story of the Hire to Empire Trilogy
Ja-sair-is
Cause his nickname is Jace(said like jayce), not Jake
they pronounce Jace with the C sounding like an S on the show
0:45 does this work here?
Yeah, Aegon and the Greens also offered peace to Rhaenyra, and they did it first. Idk why everyone acts like she's a saint for doing exactly the same as the other side.
They were technically traitors to the realm. Rheanyra is still the proclaimed heir.
@@a.munroeWhole of Westros know Rhaenyra was a traitor to the realm, even Aegon III(Son of Rhaenyra and Daemon) recognised Aegon II as the legitimate heir
@@adityamessiah69 the Lords who follow the Green faction are oath-breakers in the eyes of the gods to.
The small council, the lords, royals and Kingsguard swore a binding oath before their peers.
Can't really ignore all that ridiculous pomp and ceremony unless you're a commoner.
So yeah, Traitors, Oathbreakers and Kinslayers. These are GRRM's parameters for those titles too. Doesn't matter tho neither faction is set up to be strong or political enough for the throne. But Rheanyra is partially motivated by that prophecy and comes from a more direct line as well as being married to a man that's "pure" Valyrian. So it's moot that the Greens made any offer. It's technically not their right. They have to have taken it by conquest already to shore up their that claim.
So ofc Aegon is recognized after the dance, he killed Rheanyra. But then it goes right back to the mainline EXTRA inbred crew.
The terms they offered her were insulting and meant nothing. Basically they offered her what was already hers (dragonstone), offered driftmark to her sons (they were already the legal heirs to it anc had no right to offer it to anyone as the greens arent velaryons,) and basically asked for her sons with daemon to be sent to them as hostages (squire and cup bearer are basically hostages in case she acted up. Her offer was actually immensely more forgiving and prioritized the safety of innocent's like haelana. The greens were shits and botched negotiations at every turn.
@@adityamessiah69Damn it’s almost like it’s due the patriarchy that this entire story wants to criticize. Jeez people 😂
In the book and in the show, rheneyra reign would never have worked out.
She lied to everyone she ever met including her father because she wanted to be queen to make herself better than the rest of the world and breaker of tradition. Otto and allicent spoke the truth to viserys. Did it place his eldest child in a bad light yes, did it make the green children the legitimate heirs yes, did viserys foolish pride and love for his daughter no matter what his daughter did refused to hear or see truth. His own hand ser Strong could plainly see the Bs pouring out her mouth to her father.
The realm would turn on her and her family. Much like the realm realized Joffrey was a bastard sired by Jamie, they all be able to see her first 3 sons are all bastards.
Most of the realm sided with her so I don't know what you are yapping about.
@auspiciousmaniac275 most of the realm feared her, in 1 night the realm destroyed her reign and her dragons. I'd get a clue before you bark up the wrong tree.
Most of the realm feared her? I take it you've read Fire & Blood? The same book that is heavily in favor of the greens.
Joffrey was a no no because he was a lannister and don't have the king's blood. Jacaerys is a targaryen and the son of rhaenyra and accepted by laenor as his own.
@@Blu3Moon_III you can be accepted all you want but if you aren't sired by a guy you can't legitimately inherent his titles and lands. Their names aren't targaryan they are rivers. They are bastard children fathered by a Riverlands lord. They are at best dragon seeds, but not targaryans. In medival times, biology and traditions and laws were the order of things and even if a king says something if it's a direct conflict with biology, tradition, or law, it's a 1 way ticket to ending your reign and destabilizing and destroying all around you.
They had their reasons to not believe her , She suggested the torture of Kid Aemond when her sweet darling took his eye out and nonetheless her husband was Daemon who clearly hated them to death . War was the only option
In the books she only suggested aemond to be tortured after alicent commended criston to take Luke's eye
@@milnnoroc5157 in the show as well.
Eatten🤣
She would have to kill Aegon his brothers amd kids to cut off challenge no matter what to make Jace (clear bastard heir)why people do not understand it😂
Because some people are stupid.
Rhaenys had dark hair in the books, as did other Targs. The coloring isn’t certain her sons are bastards, and the histories were written by those who hated Rhaenyra and especially Daemon.
No one actually cared that they were "bastards", they only used that excuse to usurp her throne
What kind of stupid bullshit did you just comment. @valentinaallmang2640
@@valentinaallmang2640 People didn’t care why is there a dance? her strongs one of the reasons for it. Viserys and Rhaenyra punished people who spoke about. And wasn’t her throne.
She never wanted a war and was named heir. It was never changed to Aemon even in the book. Aemon didn’t want to be king lol, he was in a whorehouse and was like ??? He only did it because of Cole. Rhaenyra wouldn’t have touched her siblings. And everyone says well what about daemon? But in the book he listens to her like and that’s a pretty big taboo in Westeros like up there with red wedding taboo type thing. They took that shot seriously. People hated Aemond for that.
The dance happened because of the Hightowers and Aemond being a murdering dumbass. He meant to kill Luke. Like in the book it’s speculated that there was an accident and honestly I did like the shows version better except I wish the first half episode (season 2)had actually shown how Alicent and Otto were genuinely horrified instead of the bullshit we got. Otto was mad as hell.
Aegon was the only one happy. Alicent and Otto *knew* team black would be out for blood, and that war was now in evitable and Team Black literally was already mobile, like they were already on the move during the war of the ravens. I just wish the show would’ve shown that. I don’t agree with them making Alicent look innocent when she let her “beloved” husband rot in his chambers for a week. *And* killed the servant who found him.
But okay to team green people 🤨
She’s already a kin slayer anyway lmfao
everything seems almost always better in the books
Rhaenyra or Daemon would have murdered Jaharys and Maelor- Haelena's male children.
Daemon did, we literally see Rhaenyra wouldn't do that in both the books and the show
She really was delt a bad hand by schemers Alicent and her dad were the worst but there were others I think if the didn't dance away there birth right she would have been a good queen but she couldn't put there mom to death you can never put that gennie back in the bottle take Vikings when they gave up on telling a mostly accurate story it's what made it impossible for the sons of Ragnar to ever stay together even though the all still had love for each other the last season really showed that more than anyother
Punctuation...
The problems begin by naming Rhaenyra as the heir to the throne and regardless of standing for the greens or blacks we all know it. Viserys simply wanted to shove down his daughter with all her bs along with her bastards down to the Realm's throat and Greens weren't having it. Despite the weakness of her claim, Rhaneyra's fight for it still deserves respect. But when it comes to Iron Throne, there is a certain reason why there is a line of kings not queens.
He named her heir long before her children were born.
Who was Rhaenery’s Husband? The old king or this new kings guard?
her uncle Daemon
her ex husband was her cousin Leanor
Then why does she push her off the window!!!
She doesnt lol no one pushes her she jumped. Rhaenyra wasnt near her.
She doesn't.. Helaena commits suicide
@@simplyawful543 that's not the gospel of King's Landing
@@Arielsfork that's not the gospel of King's Landing
I can't stand the character of Rhaenyra lol
Why? As I can see by your username, you like Cersei who has less claim to the throne than Rhaenyra and yet she did everything to reign (even causing her childrens death as in the profecy)
Purposely mispronouncing names for engagement is such a scummy way to run a youtube channel
What did he pronounce wrong?
Why would the King bend the knee to the Princess? 😂
The Pretender thinks she has the rightful claim 😂
Bastards are heir now.
Now? Didn't you ever watch Game Of Thrones?
Jace the strong bastard .
So, it’s JaKaerys, but call him JaCE. The pronunciations are a mess
The things make the black fans fell that Rheaneyra is a good person cuz they don’t expect the fact that there is no evil or good in this world they’re is only the game of thrones you win or you die evreyone fight for he’s own people in h’es own way.