The way I see it, it's not Arya, it's still Jon who fulfilled the prophecy. He alone united the factions against the white walkers which set key events in motion that will eventually lead to the fulfillment the prophecy. Arya's role was just a part in the bigger picture. In a somewhat similar fashion, Aegon conquered the realm in order to unite them against the walkers, due to the dream that he had. He only didn't know when the threat will happen, thus this prophecy was passed on from Targaryen to Targaryen until Rhaegar's son was born. It's like everything was fated.
Exactly. Arya doing the final deed doesnt negate the fulfillment of the prophecy. Jon and Danny brought the pieces to the table. They created the army that stood against the walkers.
@@gierbolini90210 Targs misinterpret dragon dreams all the time why would Aegons dream be any different. Without Jon uniting 3 different factions the world ends full stop. He fulfilled the prophecy people just don’t like how he fulfilled it.
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The blade is magic. When it cuts Rhaenyra it connects her bloodline. It was to be Jon or Daenarys, but the blade also cut Catelyn Stark, so Arya's blood was also tied into the prophecy. That's how it could be. Would explain a lot and make a nice story.
that would be pretty bad to be honest. How can Catelyn and Rhaenerya's blood line be connected? Having arya as the prince that was promised just does not feel right. A 300 year old prophecy being fulfilled by a somewhat "major" character.
One thing to note here was that when Catelyn was cut by the dagger, her children was already born, and jon and daenerys were alive by that time. So, Jon or Daenerys is the prince that was promised. Hence, her getting cut has nothing to do with anything now.
It's Jon. He mentions in Episode 8 that the Prince Who Was Promised will unite the North and the South against the Night. He didnt say the person had to be the one to literally kill him.
yep...fans are so stupid they still take the prophecies literally when it's been shown time and time again they NEVER are. the problem wasn't season 7 or 8. It's a western culture that has the equivalent of a GRADE 9 English education and can't even figure out the most elementary examples of metaphor. In short...Marvel move fans. If it's not dumbed down to "good vs evil" and "good guy hero has to fight bad guy" then they think it's bad.
I really like how this show is putting more emphasis on the kids like Cobra Kai does. The children play a huge role to this war. Their fight unfortunately mirrors their parents.
What I believe what is happening is when Aegon had the blade scribed with his secret message in Valerian; it actually "cursed" or like the blade took on the message as itself speaking it. So whosever blood was shed on the blade their family bloodline can fulfill the prophecy. Cat Stark's blood went across the blade, so that could include any of the Stark children.
I always thought that Arthur Dayne's sword "Dawn" was going to be the real "Lightbringer." As it was forged from metal from a falling star (meteorite), and has a blade described as "pale as milkglass." In Jon's birth scene on the show it even has blood on it making it the fit with the prophecy stating "when the red star bleeds" and they purposefully linger on it in that scene to infer Jon being born under a star. I thought for sure that when Jon was trying to give Longclaw to Jorah Mormont they were setting up him needing a new sword that could kill the night king and that Dawn would somehow end up in Jon's posession (perhaps the result of Bran's visions leading him to it).
Same dude, exactly the same thoughts I had. I want to add to it, I thought that Jon Snow would end up killing Dany or The Red Priestess at the Battle for Winterfell to “forge” the sword, maybe bathing it in blood. I literally hate the writers and the entire season 8, this woke nonsense of women being better than men at everything with no skill or development is fucking sickening.
Have you considered that lightbringer is Drogon? In the books Xaro Xohan Daxos described Dany’s dragons as flaming swords. Below is the exact text. “When I went to the Hall of a Thousand Thrones to beg the Pureborn for your life, I said that you were no more than a child,” Xaro went on, “but Egon Emeros the Exquisite rose and said, ‘She is a foolish child, mad and heedless and too dangerous to live.’ When your dragons were small they were a wonder. Grown, they are death and devastation, a flaming sword above the world.” He wiped away the tears. “I should have slain you in Qarth.”
@@thecringeprince2040 no one in the books or the show ever claims that lightbringer will kill the night king. The prophecy only says that the prince that was promised will fight. It also stops and intentionally mentions that Azor Ahai will not fight alone. Also in the books Azor Ahai made three blades. The first is tempered in water and breaks. The second tempered in the heart of a lion breaks. Only the one tempered in the heart of the spouse doesn’t break. Dany has three dragons. Drogon tempered with the heart of Dany’s spouse survived. The other two are fated to die. One fighting the greyjoys (water) and the other the Lannisters (lion) The show cuts out this prophecy and the Victorian magic horn subplot. So it’s switched up a bit. But it still loosely fits. Viserion dies fighting ice (water) and Rheagal on the way to fight a lion. Only Drogon tempered in the heart of Azor Ahai’s spouse survives.
It was Jon Snow. Nobody knew that he was a Targaryen and heir to the throne. He was also resurrected because he had a destiny. That destiny was to unite all of the banners, assist in the defeat of the white walkers and to shake up the balance of power resulting in uniting the kingdoms under one King with the exception of his sister Sansa.
Dude it’s not Jon; everyone with a brain figured out who Jon was within the first book (there was 6+ chapters talking about Ned going south, Rhaegar crowing lyanna after the tourney, Rhaegar “kidnapping” lyanna, ned going down south in search of lyanna, Ned following the clue and then hears a screaming woman who gave birth, and then Ned shows up with Jon claiming it’s his bastard and everyone in disbelief about how the “honourable Ned” would never do that; some of these chapters are back to back). By book 5, Dany (who wasn’t even alive when when Rhaegar and lyanna ran off) knew that Rhaegar “loved his northern girl” and ran off with her (and wondered if Dario would do the same with her by saving her from her marriage to Hizdahr )… Jon’s identity a *red herring* as far as the throne is concerned especially since he’s a bastard. The show made up an impossible scenario with the marriage to Elia (who was a dornish princess who sired 2 healthy heirs: Rhaenys and Aegon {aka Faegon aka Young Griff}) was annulled to legitimise Jon; this is because by season 6 it was too late to introduce a new character, Faegon (who is the actual threat to kings landing and Daenerys’ claim) people are holding onto Jon, like he’s the *sole* solution when in-fact his entire existence was purposefully manufactured by Rhaegar (who was obsessed with the “prince that was promised” prophesy). Rhaegar believed he was the chosen one (God’s gift to the world). By the time he realised he wasn’t the saviour, his ego and his inflated sense of self-importance made him think his seed (his meat-stick’s special-sauce) is the gift that keeps on giving. He had Rhaenys and Aegon/Faegon via Elia (the first 2 heads of the dragon); this is when he proclaimed Faegon as the “ptwp and his will be a song of ice and fire” but to finish his trio (“the dragon has 3 heads”) he still needed his Visenya. *enters Daenerys (high AF on ďřüğś she got from a creepy dwarf) in the hotu being casted through time seeing-vision & spoilers; she sees Rhaegar declaring Faegon as tptwp and its implied he might have saw her (a Targaryen girl with no dornish features) suggesting to Rhaegar he must finish his trio out of wed-lock. This is when the ever-opportunistic Rhaegar (22) “seduce” lyanna (14) because she was good with a sword and described as being tomboyish (like Visenya) and cause through her northern blood, his kids would be connected to the Northern threat (this was Rhaegar’s beautiful delusion). Obviously Rhaegar never lived long enough to see his third child Rhaegar is the most misrepresent character in the books, and like Melisandre, him clinging onto prophecies and trying to fulfil them led to a continental war (and the extinction of his family and kin) the effect of this still echoes in the books since people are constantly waging war trying to usurp/over each other for the throne (the only people who are left suffering from this is the common folk)
Just now noticing the mirroring of Rhaenyra and Catelyn stark both having their hands cut by the Valyrian steel dagger while both protecting their sons from said dagger.. Both incidents is the beginning of a war in Westros
And lets hope The Long Night actually lasts 🙏 Winterfell.. erm... falls, and the Stark family has to unite the North once more after it's over, as is their primary duty since the beginning of time.
Interesting theory. Have you ever considered, that when it's all said and done. Jon Snow technically got everyone on board with defeating the White Walkers. I mean, of course he didn't stick the knife in the Night King himself, but he did coral the troupes to defeat them. If Jon Snow hadn't done that, I believe the story would have turned for the worse IMO. Just another perspective to think about.
Or that Terry Silver could be a Targaryen! The theories made up on this video is dumb like D & D Weiss and Benioff. The creator of this video tied up everyone who got hold of the dagger, or got cut because of it, just so he can concoct theories that made no sense. I am so sure that if little Finger is still alive, this video creator would have then said that Little Finger is also a possible Prince that was promise, because he was holding or owning the dagger of the Targaryens. So dumb, pointless, theories...
@@CAPS_AMERICA I enjoyed D&D's series and the new one too. IMO I couldn't give 2 shits about the books. I'm enjoying what's coming off the screen. Good stuff.
Pay attention to the motherhood between Rhaenyra and Alicent. Understand Aegon is only 13 and his own mother is terrorizing him. He's already turning to alcoholism.
I think Rhaegar was the prince who was promised and Jon was light bringer. There were 3 attempts to make the sword, the first one was tempered in water as Steffon Baratheon drowned trying to find Rheagar a valyrian wife. Second attempt was tempered by being stapped through a lions heart as Eilia Martel's son was murdered by the Lannisters and the third attempt in the blood of his beloved wife as Lyana Stark died in childbirth.
You didn’t mention the fact that Azor Ahai has to be of the blood of both Aerys II Targaryen (the Mad King) and Rhaella Targaryen (Rhaegar, Viserys and Daenerys’ mother). That means it can be either Jon Snow or Daenerys Targaryen
@@fabibe6649 No, that was ONE interpretation of a prophecy by the woods witch. There are PLENTY of azor ahai prophecies that don't mention Aerys, not least because it's a prophecy that originates in Essos way before any Targaryn kings lol.
@@dazdash I feel compelled to buy them to accompany the DVD box set & when the time comes for HoTD to make an insane amount of money from dvd sales, I'll do the same... haha
The city watch commanded by Janos Slynt kill all the bastards of king landing at (as we're led to believe) Cersei's behest but it's actually The Gimp King Joffrey that gives the command.....who does it in the book..?
Maybe why Arya could fulfill the prophecy with the dagger was that she had become no-one - letting the power of the dagger itself fulfill the prophecy without it being wielded by someone particular who was promised and may have ended up dead by that time
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I don't think these Prince that was promised prophecies are about Arya. I'm pretty sure HOTD actually contradicts GOT in some places because I'm almost certain the Jon Snow sequel series I'd actually going to address a lot of these continuity questions.
In the book the dagger was taken by Joffrey, who hired Bran’s assassin. Bobby B loves his Targaryan trophies so I’m sure this was in the Royal armory, hence the connection.
In the books Jaime tells Catelyn that King Robert won it from Littlefingers bet that Jaime would win his joust against the knight of flowers, which Jaime lost. Robert then showed it off to Jaime to make fun of him for losing his joust. This lined up with Tyrion telling Catelyn that he never bet against his family.
Unless they find a way to tie the Starks or even the Tullys to the Targaryans, very hard to say Arya was part of Aegon's prophecy. But there is a link that Jacaerys Velaryon and Sara Snow ,half sister of the current Lord Stark in HOTD ,had a child
The show ending is not the book's. GRRM told D&D to write a different ending and not to SPOILER the book plots & characters. This is why season 7 & 8 made not sense. However, the book ending is easily figured out when you know that any nonsense, plot armor and complete change of character ... are hiding book spoilers. Tyrion is suddenly a moron in season 7 ... means Tyrion in the book figures out something very important about himself especially why he wasn't killed by the Draeney's dragons that smelled his blood in Season 6. On look. Jon is being smelled by Drogon and not being killed. Hmmmmm? Isn't that an interesting? Season 6 had Bran heading to Winterfell to Tell Jon & Sansa that they are COUSINS and Jon is a Prince(Ned promised) and Bran had just reached the Wall. Season 7 starts with Bran being lead through the Wall, and conveniently getting to Winterfell to tell Jon & Sansa that they are Cousins, and Jon goes to Dragonstone not knowing he is Daeny's nephew. Clearly Jon & Sansa will marry so Jon remains the King of the North ... and ... Jon tells Daeny that "You are the Queen" & "I'm not interest in the Throne." lol. And need we forget Daeny not dying after Drogon is shot down by a scorpion arrow ... then ... Deany not dying on Drogon, in front of the Night King, on the ground ... and the Night King taking aim at the smallest dragon flying in the sky which Drogon flapping his wings on the ground. LOL. The Azor Ahail ... is the Three Heads of the Dragon. Each dragon rider takes the throne then dies ... but together ... they save the living from the dead. Jon is simply the Last Hero ... of three. He is the Prince that was promised to Sansa. Jon was not suppose to survive. He & Sansa were to marry ... and likely see becomes the Queen and with child. So the proposed Jon Snow show would have to get Jon & Sansa together with child ... GRRM is clearly making these two the new Ned & Kaitlyn .. especially if Jon dies not die in the books, Go on. Rewatch Season 7 ... knowing that they are trying not to spoil the book and are doing a different ending. The house of undying vision in seaosn 2 are clear: daeny takes the throne in winter then dies north of the wall. GRRM approved those visions.
That's what I thought. I haven't read the HOTD books so I don't know what happens to Rhaenyra's children, but is it possible that either Ned or Caitlyn had some valyrian blood somewhere in their family tree? Cause the slightes bit, coming from either mother or father, is enough to make Arya someone who "came from" Aegon's blood...
I think that rhaenyra deliberately let herself get cut with the knife to make her look like the victim, in process gaining more favour from the king and others. But then Aemonds line kills it as I don't see it as he's defending his mother but a reminder to both he's the one now who holds the real power with the largest dragon alive.
Littlefinger is not the one who sent the assassin to Bran- it was Joffrey trying to impress his father, who drunkenly said the boy should be put out of his misery. Littlefinger lost the dagger in a bet with Robert. He would have had absolutely no reason to want to kill Bran, but when he learns the dagger was used, he sees it as an opportunity to create more distrust between the Starks and Lannisters.
You make sense until we remember Bran was attacked because he saw Jaime and Cersei gettin' busy and didn't die when Jaime shoved him out of the window. Maybe the final book (haha) will explain that Littlefinger was behind the second attempt to kill Bran.
@@samsmom1491 obviously I know that he saw them lmao that’s the main plot point. But Jaime swears to Catelyn that although he did push the boy, he did not send the assassin. Cersei deduces that the kid wouldn’t remember anything and if he said something they can point out the fact that he fell and hit his head. It is book canon that Joffrey sent the assassins. The show, on the other hand, made it a plot hole.
I agree with you, although I'm pretty sure it was pointed out that Joffrey did steel the dagger from Robert's store of old daggers. Joffrey had no clue what this dagger was, he knew it was Valeryan Steel. I think the dagger being lost in a bet story was all made up by Littlefinger just taking advantage of the scenario. It helped him perfect because him and Lysa killed Jon Aron and blamed the Lannisters, which started everything in GOT. Robert stored away and hid everything Targaryon after he took the throne, I think the Targaryon's had the dagger until Robert's Rebellion. And I do confuse the show and the book I've read and watched it all multiple times and it's been a while. Hard to remember what came from where at this point. Except that the books are so much better.
Gendry is Azor Ahai. He was a blacksmith right? Also, I can't stand the incessant complaints from Jon and Dany fans who think they should be the centre of everything. The Snow show isn't going to retcon the Arya story and they aren't going to rehash the Night King.
A song can be a duet, of fire and ice. Which could encompass both Jon and Dany as being the same parts to the prophecy, being Jon/Aegon is literal combination of Fire and Ice, or Jon and Dany together as being representatives of both. And they both are direct descendants of Rhenayra/ Aegon the Conquerer. Or it doesn't have to be either of them dealing the killing blow, but rather the song is about the people they gather around them and the journey, battles and sacrifices it takes to defeat the great evil Aegon saw. To make the end of S8 work into this, Fire could be represented via the dagger ,as it was probably created using dragon fire, and Arya as the representation of Ice as a Stark, as the Hound puts its, she's a COLD little bitch. Fire and Ice could be seen as Arya and Jon, maybe that metaphor is meant to say that a Stark and Targaryen must bond in order to bring this about as the threat was coming from the North and it was Jon who encouraged her to practice sword play. And in the Azor Ahai story, the Hero had to kill his wife to bring forth Lightbringer......maybe killing Dany -who Jon still cared for, was THAT part of the prophecy and killing her brought forth a new era in Westeros, aka Lightbringer. I feel like House of the Dragon is helping to shed a little more light on the prophecy having no true boundaries or rules besides the two important components being Ice and Fire.
I just think that Viserys should have retired *ALL* of the dream-theories/prophecies to bed after his wife and son died immediately after he told her that he had such a "vivid dream of our son being born wearing Aegon's crown" shortly before they both died. That, in and of itself should have made him put down the "dream-journal." 😄
I always assumed the "technically it could mean prince or princess" bit was Missandei keeping Danny in the running, as opposed to her and her alone noting the lack of gendering in the name. Also, in HotD they're still saying "prince" all the time, in both [English] and Valyrian... at a time where there were plenty of people who *knew* knew the language and would instead use something like 'heir' or 'royal heir' or other non-gendered 'not-quite-ruler' term as opposed to 'prince' when the prince/ss distinction is so very much at the core of the conflict of the show.
In the same stretch... There seems to be several forms of "high valyrian". Take note when the elder dragon handler is talking to the young princes, it has to be translated. Ditto, if you fully recall that scene with Missandei, she politely corrects Danny's valyrian. Which alludes to the point that there might be additional dialects. Which isnt that hard to believe. I speak American English and my British and Australian cousins English may as well be Chinese to me in some cases.
@@ICU1337 More like, there's dialects of valyrian, High Valyrian being one of them. The Masters in Slavers bay, for example, speak Low Valyrian as opposed to Dany, who speaks High Valyrian. And then they even differentiate valyrian based on the city they're in, as they have a little different vocabulary to one another.
Its not the first time they've changed the meaning of certain words in the show. When Daenarys free's the slaves of Yunkai they chant Mhysa. Dany didn't know what it meant. Missandei told her its Old Ghiscari and means mother. In season 6 when Tyrion and Varys are wandering around Meereen they see the graffiti on a wall and say Mhysa means mother in Valyrian.
...so the prophecy about Jon being the prince that was promised 'makes sense' because the blade that killed the night king had Targaryen blood on it over 200 years ago? What....
Made sense that Arya's the one who killed the Night King because the blood releases the Targaryen condition. So anybody can be it, because it was the weapon all along, not a person.
@@waranghira So by that logic any weapon that has killed or drawn blood from a Targaryen, is the prince that was promised? Is the Iron throne the prince that was promised? If the Night king conquered Westeros, would he have been insta killed the moment he sat down on the throne? It doesn't make any sense no matter how much mental gymnastics you try to apply. I'll tell you what does make sense though, Dan and Dave ruined the last season to fast track their contract for whatever Star Wars schlock they were planning. I'm still enjoying HotD, but this dagger theory is just silly, and insulting.
@@K369-v3o it would make more sense to have that Dagger involved in some crucial moments on house of the dragon and possible later series like Dunk and Egg.
@@K369-v3o nah these people are just reaching. If anything HOTD has solidified the thing that it's either jon or dany no one else. It has to be taragaryen blood since aegon specifically said "from MY bloodline comes prince that was promised"
@@angelyuqi6709 I agree. This theory is ridiculous. It has to be a person of Targaryen descent. The dagger may be Lightbringer, but everything else, along with the entirety of season 8 is pure nonsense.
Aegon's Dream is that a Targaryen must sit on the Iron Throne (lead) to defend the world from the White Walkers. It didn't require the rulers to outright fight or kill the enemy. The same is for Azor Ahai because Lightbringer doesn't have to be only used by Azor Ahai. It is likely that Azor Ahai paved the way for uniting people against the White Walkers and building a weapon that can ensure their complete defeat.
The Night King was actually the Night Prince, and the actual Night King is still in the North somewhere for Jon Snow to come across and kill. He gets the knife after running into Arya on her journeys or they explain that it wasn't the knife prophesied all this time, but the sword named Lightbringer. Or the knife, like the one ring, always makes its way back to the Prince that was promised. The new show could show Arya losing it, then another wielder loses it and on and on until Jon Snow finds it and becomes worried about Arya causing him to lose focus on the fight at hand.
Jon is the prince that was promise, he might not be the one who killed the Night King, but he took the lead in the battle against the Night King. He was able to gather all the forces even with different political leanings. He brought them all together to fight for his cause.
I dont think the knight king gonna be the big villian of jon snow series. I think it is not about thrones and politics either. It would be more about world building and adventures. I think the true danger from the north is not the knight king. Jon snow is gonna find about it and returns to the main land after several years later. The danger from the north probably related to children of the forest who created something more dangerous than the nightking and jon needed to take the iron throne back to fullfil the prophesy. Or GRR Martin would create something new
I have no idea what the Jon Snow thing is about but I seriously doubt its a 'fix it' of the Night King plot to make him the big manly hero but rather a more satisfying conclusion for his own story. Whatever that may end up being.
The only one who didn’t know what he was doing was Martin. It was obvious to me that,at the point of writing, he had no idea how this story was going to finish this saga.
He knew the ending .it's just like the show bran becoming king, sansa ruling north,Jon goes with the wildings after killing Danny, Danny goes mad.. these were the major ending Martin planned when he started writing the books...issue is old man cooked up so many sub plots for side charecters like lady stonehart,Martell's, fake Aegon etc now he can't connect all of them to finish the story. Also with got fame he is enjoying the fame and is not bothered about finishing the book
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I still have no issue with Aria being the one to kill the NK. John still led the army and Aria was a part of it. Doesn’t matter who in the army does the stabby stab, as long as the PWWP leads the effort.
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The prophecy was passed down but the Mad King's crazy brain couldn't remember most of it other than "burn them all". Maybe Daeny heard it continually as a fetus while her mother told Viserys his duty as future king. Maybe that's why she "burned them all" as she lost her sanity.
I'm all for the Night King and the Great Other being different people in the TV canon afterall. Perhaps even the idea that the white walkers were always ultimately a minor nuisance in the grand scheme of things and they had it all wrong - the night king's forces moving south was not the existential threat, they were trying to get away or ahead of whatever the real danger is. I mean in the end, even with a dragon and the ability to animate the dead the Night King did less damage than Ramsay Bolton - he either *was* the Night King from the book (just an offshoot opportunist, probably a Stark second son) and the rest of the walkers are still out there or the white walkers were not the actual prophesized doom of humanity. Normally I wouldn't be excited for a show like the proposed Snow show, but the biggest complaint about GOT is that they had two more seasons of story that they bailed out on. I'm on board with HotD going out of their way to make things from GOT work a little better and Snow picking up the dropped balls on the back end as long as the GOT writing team isn't allowed anywhere near either project.
My theory is that the GoT writers and showrunners just bungled it. It was simply them trying to subvert expectations and as much as I'd like to believe that this all makes sense know, unfortunately GRRM has more say of what goes on in HoTD and would tie more into his own books than the GoT series.
It didn't look like there wasn't any blood on the blade after Rhaenyra had been cut by Alicent. The choice of shot seemed very deliberate. Maybe the dagger had absorbed the blood? I dunno??
when you get cut by a blade , most of the time wont be any blood on it. It takes some milisecs for blod to come out , the blade wont be touching you flesh by then
In this review, he says that Rhaenyra's hand was cut, but it was actually her forearm cut through her sleeve. Perhaps the blood got wiped off on her sleeve as it withdrew from the fabric.
To this day, I still don't understand how Arya knew which one of them actually was Night King. Some of the long haired dudes look like they could be more of a Night King than actual night king. Arya killing Night King at least this way was beyond dumb.
It’s be super nice if all of season 8 was just a vision of Bran or someone else and they can reboot the whole season and it’ll workout for all of us yay! 😆 they can pull a twilight or eclipse or whatever 😆
one thing you did not mention here is the Azor Ahai prophecy telling the sword lightbringer is forged when the promised prince cuts his/her *lover* through the heart with it. that's why I always thought Jon is Azor Ahai because he killed Dany in that fashion, potentially saving the realm from her upcoming tyranny darkness; bringing the light with the lightbringer, not -longclaw-
But you are forgetting the part of bringing back dragons and the fact that Dany fulfilled the Azor Ahai prophecy in season 1 ( the only thing she didn’t do jet is the sword thing)
I like the fact that Alicent tried to dab raniro with the blade in her face but they did a close up shot of the blade with fire behind it. That roaring fireplace was behind that blade. That was a great shot. The Lord of Light was fully engaged of what was going on that night.
I think the Night King was just a Pawn for the Bigger Bad, The Great Other or whatever that will be introduced in the Jon Snow show , Which then would make sense ! instead of the Night King just returning back .
I'd love it if the Bigger Bad, the Great Other, turns out to be Bran (or the mixed consciousnesses of the 3 eyed ravens, Bran, and the Children of the Forest.) It was all part of their plan to take the Iron Throne.
Jon marries Sansa in the book to remain the King of he North. D&D were told by GRRM to write a different ending and to no spoil the book. This is why nothing in Season 7 & 8 makes any senses. Any ridiculous plot armor ... means that characters dies in the book. So were there any ridiculous plot armor in Season 7 ... to keep central characters alive who should have have died? Ohhhhh, hell yeah.
@@abelincoln8885 yeah, but sadly, be honest, Martin won't finish the books. It already took him 11 years for Winds of winter, its still not out and we would still need the last book. He is 74 years old...
I like to believe that Dany is the prince that was promised. Start of Ep 1 of HotD even mentioned her name. Plus they keep clarifying that the word "prince" in high valerian is gender neutral.
@@meritorioustechnate9455 nah she already said she won't return to the Job Snow sequel. Keep in mind too it's Kits baby, George RR don't have anything to do with it
@@RobbMartini we will see, for Team Red is endgame. It’s GRRMs IP. He’ll get the last say. It’s like not actors have never lied about appearing in a role.
@@meritorioustechnate9455 yeah but I understand why she would have no interested. They ruined the ending. I just hope George finishes the books but I doubt it. He's busy dicking off with HOTD, Elder ring, dunk and egg and everything else that isn't his crowning achievement.
I think their tryna more that the “prince who was promised” I always saw it as someone leading them and showing them and Jon did do that so yes the prophecy came true no where in the prophecy it said that he had to be the one to kill the night king it was more of leading the people and bringing them together
The prophecy is fire and ice. The starks are the ice the targaryens are the fire. Rhaegar Targaryen and John's mom who is a stark. The starks have been Targaryen Allies long before viserys was even born. All Targaryen Allies are from the north near or on the wall
@@kckillakrack9714 we’ve established that book and show is two different things believe me I wish their was more stuff from the books in the show but it’s what we got and we gotta think on what we got
May be the jon snow spinoff could even have daenerys being resurrected, since she was flown off to valyria and there’s kinvara the fire priestess who could end up doing it
Arya was technically "no one" by the time she killed the night king. Which could mean she is able to become whatever was needed to fulfill the prophecy.
How on Earth do people still not get that the prophecy was obviously not to be taken literally, I mean at all: Jon is (!) Azor Ahai, ending the "Long Night", which is the figuratuve (!) "darkness" of the unstable, violent times that had come over Westeros, by killing Daenerys (who's obviously his Nissa Nissa at the same time, after he had "killed a lion" = helped kill Cersei). The Night King is mostly in the story for some characters to mistakenly take the prophecy literally, look up misunderstood prophecies in Greek mythology / in Shakespeare's works (or at least Star Wars...) and tell me that's not exactly the kind of thing an author like GRRM would do...
Remember that Cat’s blood (from her hands) got on the blade during Bran’s attempted assassination in season 1. Aria shares her blood and some from Jon Snow.
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I don't think this whole dagger thing is in the books. It's only the show. However, dragon glass (obsidian) could have been part of the recipe for Valerian steel. Dragon glass being the key to killing Wightwalkers.
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Well, it doesn't matter what any of us thinks, it only matter what GRRM thinks. He is the final say based on whatever is in his books, he did create all of this after all
This is what pisses me off they talk about the night king and how they have to defend the world from him but D&D made him into a fucking joke. I love the series as is lets not drag any GOT shit in there just triggers me mentioning season 8
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The way I see it, it's not Arya, it's still Jon who fulfilled the prophecy. He alone united the factions against the white walkers which set key events in motion that will eventually lead to the fulfillment the prophecy. Arya's role was just a part in the bigger picture. In a somewhat similar fashion, Aegon conquered the realm in order to unite them against the walkers, due to the dream that he had. He only didn't know when the threat will happen, thus this prophecy was passed on from Targaryen to Targaryen until Rhaegar's son was born. It's like everything was fated.
Exactly. Arya doing the final deed doesnt negate the fulfillment of the prophecy. Jon and Danny brought the pieces to the table. They created the army that stood against the walkers.
sounds like cope
@@gierbolini90210 Not if you have a basic understanding of how GRRM treats prophecies.
I like this explanation way better than this video tried to weave it and way better than anything else I've found on the internet.
@@gierbolini90210 Targs misinterpret dragon dreams all the time why would Aegons dream be any different. Without Jon uniting 3 different factions the world ends full stop. He fulfilled the prophecy people just don’t like how he fulfilled it.
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+1 for this!
That's bloody awesome
The blade is magic. When it cuts Rhaenyra it connects her bloodline. It was to be Jon or Daenarys, but the blade also cut Catelyn Stark, so Arya's blood was also tied into the prophecy. That's how it could be. Would explain a lot and make a nice story.
that would be pretty bad to be honest. How can Catelyn and Rhaenerya's blood line be connected? Having arya as the prince that was promised just does not feel right. A 300 year old prophecy being fulfilled by a somewhat "major" character.
@@heythere5405 hey, I'm just trying to make sense of the mess D&D made 😂 u r right 100%
One thing to note here was that when Catelyn was cut by the dagger, her children was already born, and jon and daenerys were alive by that time. So, Jon or Daenerys is the prince that was promised. Hence, her getting cut has nothing to do with anything now.
In the GOT books the dagger also cut Varys
No. She should have never touched the night king. D and d screwed us all
That dagger cut the hands of Catelyn Stark who was also protecting her child from bodily harm just as Rhaenyra was protecting hers
But she's a Tully by bloodline?
@@redmatrix there is a theory that Jace married Cregan Stark’s bastard sister. They had a child who apparently Catelyn Tully is descended from.
@@jjh2456 I couldn't verify this in the wiki of ice and fire. Where did you hear the theory?
@@jjh2456 WHOA WHAT
And later Arya used that dagger to cut Littlefinger’s throat which absolutely negates the theory because his blood went on the blade
It's Jon. He mentions in Episode 8 that the Prince Who Was Promised will unite the North and the South against the Night. He didnt say the person had to be the one to literally kill him.
yep...fans are so stupid they still take the prophecies literally when it's been shown time and time again they NEVER are.
the problem wasn't season 7 or 8. It's a western culture that has the equivalent of a GRADE 9 English education and can't even figure out the most elementary examples of metaphor. In short...Marvel move fans. If it's not dumbed down to "good vs evil" and "good guy hero has to fight bad guy" then they think it's bad.
Hod??? Which season??
I really like how this show is putting more emphasis on the kids like Cobra Kai does. The children play a huge role to this war. Their fight unfortunately mirrors their parents.
The books Always did that..... The old show changed it....
Did you just compare GOT to cobra Kai 🤡
Well they won't be children during the actual civil war which this is setting up
Cobra Kai is a trash concept. Adults enabling kids to bully each other
@@fredricknwabilor7271 never seen it, just seems gay
What I believe what is happening is when Aegon had the blade scribed with his secret message in Valerian; it actually "cursed" or like the blade took on the message as itself speaking it. So whosever blood was shed on the blade their family bloodline can fulfill the prophecy. Cat Stark's blood went across the blade, so that could include any of the Stark children.
I like that. Fills in the plot hole.
Also it fills the plot where DaeNyra's kid aegon3 becomes the king
Oh! This much better explaining i didn't understand this all. Thanks you! but where dud Little Finger get the knife?
@@sidvyas9810 Aegon3? Who that?.
Nah man this ending was trash. George RR said PP was Jon Snow, but DD decided they wanted a "shock" so gIrL pOwEr 🗑️🗑️
I always thought that Arthur Dayne's sword "Dawn" was going to be the real "Lightbringer." As it was forged from metal from a falling star (meteorite), and has a blade described as "pale as milkglass." In Jon's birth scene on the show it even has blood on it making it the fit with the prophecy stating "when the red star bleeds" and they purposefully linger on it in that scene to infer Jon being born under a star. I thought for sure that when Jon was trying to give Longclaw to Jorah Mormont they were setting up him needing a new sword that could kill the night king and that Dawn would somehow end up in Jon's posession (perhaps the result of Bran's visions leading him to it).
Same dude, exactly the same thoughts I had. I want to add to it, I thought that Jon Snow would end up killing Dany or The Red Priestess at the Battle for Winterfell to “forge” the sword, maybe bathing it in blood.
I literally hate the writers and the entire season 8, this woke nonsense of women being better than men at everything with no skill or development is fucking sickening.
It was all being set up, but D&D got lazy and just ended it all with some generic "twist" finale. Bunch of plotlines forgotten and wasted.
Have you considered that lightbringer is Drogon?
In the books Xaro Xohan Daxos described Dany’s dragons as flaming swords. Below is the exact text.
“When I went to the Hall of a Thousand Thrones to beg the Pureborn for your life, I said that you were no more than a child,” Xaro went on, “but Egon Emeros the Exquisite rose and said, ‘She is a foolish child, mad and heedless and too dangerous to live.’ When your dragons were small they were a wonder. Grown, they are death and devastation, a flaming sword above the world.” He wiped away the tears. “I should have slain you in Qarth.”
@@DeepFriedLiver but Drogon doesn’t do shit, he doesn’t even damage the night king
@@thecringeprince2040 no one in the books or the show ever claims that lightbringer will kill the night king. The prophecy only says that the prince that was promised will fight. It also stops and intentionally mentions that Azor Ahai will not fight alone.
Also in the books Azor Ahai made three blades. The first is tempered in water and breaks. The second tempered in the heart of a lion breaks. Only the one tempered in the heart of the spouse doesn’t break.
Dany has three dragons. Drogon tempered with the heart of Dany’s spouse survived. The other two are fated to die. One fighting the greyjoys (water) and the other the Lannisters (lion)
The show cuts out this prophecy and the Victorian magic horn subplot. So it’s switched up a bit. But it still loosely fits. Viserion dies fighting ice (water) and Rheagal on the way to fight a lion. Only Drogon tempered in the heart of Azor Ahai’s spouse survives.
It was Jon Snow. Nobody knew that he was a Targaryen and heir to the throne. He was also resurrected because he had a destiny. That destiny was to unite all of the banners, assist in the defeat of the white walkers and to shake up the balance of power resulting in uniting the kingdoms under one King with the exception of his sister Sansa.
Well actually he isn’t confirmed to be a Targaryen in books jet and still a Basterd
@@cambelloroxy9420we're talking about the show, not the books
@@jonyplaskuura9675 you are talking about the show not the books. You don’t know that for the og comment and I don’t remember talking to you
Dude it’s not Jon; everyone with a brain figured out who Jon was within the first book (there was 6+ chapters talking about Ned going south, Rhaegar crowing lyanna after the tourney, Rhaegar “kidnapping” lyanna, ned going down south in search of lyanna, Ned following the clue and then hears a screaming woman who gave birth, and then Ned shows up with Jon claiming it’s his bastard and everyone in disbelief about how the “honourable Ned” would never do that; some of these chapters are back to back). By book 5, Dany (who wasn’t even alive when when Rhaegar and lyanna ran off) knew that Rhaegar “loved his northern girl” and ran off with her (and wondered if Dario would do the same with her by saving her from her marriage to Hizdahr )… Jon’s identity a *red herring* as far as the throne is concerned especially since he’s a bastard. The show made up an impossible scenario with the marriage to Elia (who was a dornish princess who sired 2 healthy heirs: Rhaenys and Aegon {aka Faegon aka Young Griff}) was annulled to legitimise Jon; this is because by season 6 it was too late to introduce a new character, Faegon (who is the actual threat to kings landing and Daenerys’ claim)
people are holding onto Jon, like he’s the *sole* solution when in-fact his entire existence was purposefully manufactured by Rhaegar (who was obsessed with the “prince that was promised” prophesy). Rhaegar believed he was the chosen one (God’s gift to the world). By the time he realised he wasn’t the saviour, his ego and his inflated sense of self-importance made him think his seed (his meat-stick’s special-sauce) is the gift that keeps on giving. He had Rhaenys and Aegon/Faegon via Elia (the first 2 heads of the dragon); this is when he proclaimed Faegon as the “ptwp and his will be a song of ice and fire” but to finish his trio (“the dragon has 3 heads”) he still needed his Visenya. *enters Daenerys (high AF on ďřüğś she got from a creepy dwarf) in the hotu being casted through time seeing-vision & spoilers; she sees Rhaegar declaring Faegon as tptwp and its implied he might have saw her (a Targaryen girl with no dornish features) suggesting to Rhaegar he must finish his trio out of wed-lock. This is when the ever-opportunistic Rhaegar (22) “seduce” lyanna (14) because she was good with a sword and described as being tomboyish (like Visenya) and cause through her northern blood, his kids would be connected to the Northern threat (this was Rhaegar’s beautiful delusion). Obviously Rhaegar never lived long enough to see his third child
Rhaegar is the most misrepresent character in the books, and like Melisandre, him clinging onto prophecies and trying to fulfil them led to a continental war (and the extinction of his family and kin) the effect of this still echoes in the books since people are constantly waging war trying to usurp/over each other for the throne (the only people who are left suffering from this is the common folk)
Never was, Never will be
I've always liked the idea of prophecy heroes actually being multiple people playing a part.
It is definitely multiple people. I’m not sure why people keep insisting otherwise.
Just now noticing the mirroring of Rhaenyra and Catelyn stark both having their hands cut by the Valyrian steel dagger while both protecting their sons from said dagger.. Both incidents is the beginning of a war in Westros
I still don't believe Arya will end The Long Night in the books, but it will be cool if they can more depth to it through the Targs
She won’t: that was a D&D choice.
👍💯 agreed
@@Porcelynnn they literally pulled that out of their asses
the only thing that the show got right for the finale of the books is Bran being king, from what George said. But he might change his mind on that.
And lets hope The Long Night actually lasts 🙏 Winterfell.. erm... falls, and the Stark family has to unite the North once more after it's over, as is their primary duty since the beginning of time.
"Guy should be dead" was applicable at so many points in GoT lol
Interesting theory. Have you ever considered, that when it's all said and done. Jon Snow technically got everyone on board with defeating the White Walkers. I mean, of course he didn't stick the knife in the Night King himself, but he did coral the troupes to defeat them. If Jon Snow hadn't done that, I believe the story would have turned for the worse IMO. Just another perspective to think about.
...Or it could be said that Jon/Aegon was the Prince Who Was Promised because he saved the living from the monster that Daenerys was becoming...
@@vincentgarzoli3197 Ohhhhh didn’t think of that. That’s a good one too.
Or that Terry Silver could be a Targaryen!
The theories made up on this video is dumb like D & D Weiss and Benioff. The creator of this video tied up everyone who got hold of the dagger, or got cut because of it, just so he can concoct theories that made no sense. I am so sure that if little Finger is still alive, this video creator would have then said that Little Finger is also a possible Prince that was promise, because he was holding or owning the dagger of the Targaryens. So dumb, pointless, theories...
@@CAPS_AMERICA I enjoyed D&D's series and the new one too. IMO I couldn't give 2 shits about the books. I'm enjoying what's coming off the screen. Good stuff.
How does it play out that Arya will be the prince that was promised in the books when there is no Knights king in the books
Pay attention to the motherhood between Rhaenyra and Alicent. Understand Aegon is only 13 and his own mother is terrorizing him. He's already turning to alcoholism.
We see the kid get drunk once and people start saying alcoholism. I don't think that's fair
13 is young for today, not in the middle ages though. thats very far from unusual / alarming considering the times
And he feeds Rhaeneyra to his dragon
@@joshyguerrilla well he’s an Alcoholic at an early age in the books so he may be headed down the same path
give me a break LMFAO alicent was not terrorising him. he's just one of those teens. he's just into indulgence.
Oh, how I wish they would make a spinoff of Arya's adventures!
Same!
Agree, would be more interesting than a jon snow spin off 🫥
I think Rhaegar was the prince who was promised and Jon was light bringer. There were 3 attempts to make the sword, the first one was tempered in water as Steffon Baratheon drowned trying to find Rheagar a valyrian wife. Second attempt was tempered by being stapped through a lions heart as Eilia Martel's son was murdered by the Lannisters and the third attempt in the blood of his beloved wife as Lyana Stark died in childbirth.
You didn’t mention the fact that Azor Ahai has to be of the blood of both Aerys II Targaryen (the Mad King) and Rhaella Targaryen (Rhaegar, Viserys and Daenerys’ mother). That means it can be either Jon Snow or Daenerys Targaryen
Not true. That's merely one interpretation.
@@Red1Green2Blue3 it is true in the books said azor ahai would come from the line of Aerys that's why he married his sister
@@fabibe6649 No, that was ONE interpretation of a prophecy by the woods witch. There are PLENTY of azor ahai prophecies that don't mention Aerys, not least because it's a prophecy that originates in Essos way before any Targaryn kings lol.
In the ASOIAF series, its revealed that Joffrey was the one who sent the assassin to kill Bran. It is referenced in the 4th book A Feast for Crows.
How many books are in the series..?
@@johnroy2567 five are there and two are yet to come
@@dazdash I feel compelled to buy them to accompany the DVD box set & when the time comes for HoTD to make an insane amount of money from dvd sales, I'll do the same... haha
The city watch commanded by Janos Slynt kill all the bastards of king landing at (as we're led to believe) Cersei's behest but it's actually The Gimp King Joffrey that gives the command.....who does it in the book..?
@@johnroy2567 lately I have been feeling the urge to buy the books but need to invest a lot of time reading them 😄
Maybe why Arya could fulfill the prophecy with the dagger was that she had become no-one - letting the power of the dagger itself fulfill the prophecy without it being wielded by someone particular who was promised and may have ended up dead by that time
Yessss and there must be a reason why people kept calling her a boy or saying she looked like a boy. She’s androgynous
Keep dreaming. The reason Arya killed the Night King is FAKE GIRLPOWAAA moment written by D&D, NOTHING MORE. Trying to explain it just makes it worse
That’s interesting 🤔
Arya didn’t fulfill the prophecy. She didn’t unite anything. Jon fulfilled the prophecy. Arya was his lightbringer.
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I should not have laughed so hard when he said "Prophecy Time" 😂😂😂😂
Man I love you always giving shout outs for the ideas that don’t come directly from you. Keep up the humility my man
Much appreciated
I don't think these Prince that was promised prophecies are about Arya. I'm pretty sure HOTD actually contradicts GOT in some places because I'm almost certain the Jon Snow sequel series I'd actually going to address a lot of these continuity questions.
If they still do it. I've heard it's been taken of the shelf, so to speak.
In the book the dagger was taken by Joffrey, who hired Bran’s assassin. Bobby B loves his Targaryan trophies so I’m sure this was in the Royal armory, hence the connection.
That right in books it was Joffery who hired the Catpaw. He wanted to prove to his father that he could do.
In the books Jaime tells Catelyn that King Robert won it from Littlefingers bet that Jaime would win his joust against the knight of flowers, which Jaime lost. Robert then showed it off to Jaime to make fun of him for losing his joust. This lined up with Tyrion telling Catelyn that he never bet against his family.
Unless they find a way to tie the Starks or even the Tullys to the Targaryans, very hard to say Arya was part of Aegon's prophecy. But there is a link that Jacaerys Velaryon and Sara Snow ,half sister of the current Lord Stark in HOTD ,had a child
Caitlins blood was on the dagger, from the attack on Bran in season 1
It wasnt they made it up as they went LOL
Did they now?
The show ending is not the book's.
GRRM told D&D to write a different ending and not to SPOILER the book plots & characters. This is why season 7 & 8 made not sense.
However, the book ending is easily figured out when you know that any nonsense, plot armor and complete change of character ... are hiding book spoilers.
Tyrion is suddenly a moron in season 7 ... means Tyrion in the book figures out something very important about himself especially why he wasn't killed by the Draeney's dragons that smelled his blood in Season 6. On look. Jon is being smelled by Drogon and not being killed. Hmmmmm? Isn't that an interesting?
Season 6 had Bran heading to Winterfell to Tell Jon & Sansa that they are COUSINS and Jon is a Prince(Ned promised) and Bran had just reached the Wall. Season 7 starts with Bran being lead through the Wall, and conveniently getting to Winterfell to tell Jon & Sansa that they are Cousins, and Jon goes to Dragonstone not knowing he is Daeny's nephew. Clearly Jon & Sansa will marry so Jon remains the King of the North ... and ... Jon tells Daeny that
"You are the Queen" & "I'm not interest in the Throne." lol.
And need we forget Daeny not dying after Drogon is shot down by a scorpion arrow ... then ... Deany not dying on Drogon, in front of the Night King, on the ground ... and the Night King taking aim at the smallest dragon flying in the sky which Drogon flapping his wings on the ground. LOL.
The Azor Ahail ... is the Three Heads of the Dragon.
Each dragon rider takes the throne then dies ... but together ... they save the living from the dead.
Jon is simply the Last Hero ... of three. He is the Prince that was promised to Sansa. Jon was not suppose to survive. He & Sansa were to marry ... and likely see becomes the Queen and with child.
So the proposed Jon Snow show would have to get Jon & Sansa together with child ... GRRM is clearly making these two the new Ned & Kaitlyn .. especially if Jon dies not die in the books,
Go on. Rewatch Season 7 ... knowing that they are trying not to spoil the book and are doing a different ending.
The house of undying vision in seaosn 2 are clear: daeny takes the throne in winter then dies north of the wall. GRRM approved those visions.
That's what I thought. I haven't read the HOTD books so I don't know what happens to Rhaenyra's children, but is it possible that either Ned or Caitlyn had some valyrian blood somewhere in their family tree? Cause the slightes bit, coming from either mother or father, is enough to make Arya someone who "came from" Aegon's blood...
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LOve your videos. They really help tie things together!
I think that rhaenyra deliberately let herself get cut with the knife to make her look like the victim, in process gaining more favour from the king and others. But then Aemonds line kills it as I don't see it as he's defending his mother but a reminder to both he's the one now who holds the real power with the largest dragon alive.
Yes rhaenyra deliberately cut herself
Littlefinger is not the one who sent the assassin to Bran- it was Joffrey trying to impress his father, who drunkenly said the boy should be put out of his misery. Littlefinger lost the dagger in a bet with Robert. He would have had absolutely no reason to want to kill Bran, but when he learns the dagger was used, he sees it as an opportunity to create more distrust between the Starks and Lannisters.
You make sense until we remember Bran was attacked because he saw Jaime and Cersei gettin' busy and didn't die when Jaime shoved him out of the window. Maybe the final book (haha) will explain that Littlefinger was behind the second attempt to kill Bran.
@@samsmom1491 obviously I know that he saw them lmao that’s the main plot point. But Jaime swears to Catelyn that although he did push the boy, he did not send the assassin. Cersei deduces that the kid wouldn’t remember anything and if he said something they can point out the fact that he fell and hit his head. It is book canon that Joffrey sent the assassins. The show, on the other hand, made it a plot hole.
I agree with you, although I'm pretty sure it was pointed out that Joffrey did steel the dagger from Robert's store of old daggers. Joffrey had no clue what this dagger was, he knew it was Valeryan Steel. I think the dagger being lost in a bet story was all made up by Littlefinger just taking advantage of the scenario. It helped him perfect because him and Lysa killed Jon Aron and blamed the Lannisters, which started everything in GOT. Robert stored away and hid everything Targaryon after he took the throne, I think the Targaryon's had the dagger until Robert's Rebellion. And I do confuse the show and the book I've read and watched it all multiple times and it's been a while. Hard to remember what came from where at this point. Except that the books are so much better.
In the books Joffrey had access to all of the old arsenal of the dragon folk. It’s mentioned in the book.
Someone here read the books
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Gendry is Azor Ahai. He was a blacksmith right?
Also, I can't stand the incessant complaints from Jon and Dany fans who think they should be the centre of everything. The Snow show isn't going to retcon the Arya story and they aren't going to rehash the Night King.
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A song can be a duet, of fire and ice. Which could encompass both Jon and Dany as being the same parts to the prophecy, being Jon/Aegon is literal combination of Fire and Ice, or Jon and Dany together as being representatives of both. And they both are direct descendants of Rhenayra/ Aegon the Conquerer. Or it doesn't have to be either of them dealing the killing blow, but rather the song is about the people they gather around them and the journey, battles and sacrifices it takes to defeat the great evil Aegon saw.
To make the end of S8 work into this, Fire could be represented via the dagger ,as it was probably created using dragon fire, and Arya as the representation of Ice as a Stark, as the Hound puts its, she's a COLD little bitch. Fire and Ice could be seen as Arya and Jon, maybe that metaphor is meant to say that a Stark and Targaryen must bond in order to bring this about as the threat was coming from the North and it was Jon who encouraged her to practice sword play.
And in the Azor Ahai story, the Hero had to kill his wife to bring forth Lightbringer......maybe killing Dany -who Jon still cared for, was THAT part of the prophecy and killing her brought forth a new era in Westeros, aka Lightbringer. I feel like House of the Dragon is helping to shed a little more light on the prophecy having no true boundaries or rules besides the two important components being Ice and Fire.
I love the new close captions in the video I usually watch at work and I don't use earphone whenever I'm at work so this is really helpful
I always try to keep in mind Aegon AND his sisters conquered Westeros, so if it is both Dany and Jon it makes sense.
Yes!!! And Daenerys also united people and provided the necessary firepower for the song to not just be about ice.
I love theory time. Keep doing it!
I just think that Viserys should have retired *ALL* of the dream-theories/prophecies to bed after his wife and son died immediately after he told her that he had such a "vivid dream of our son being born wearing Aegon's crown" shortly before they both died. That, in and of itself should have made him put down the "dream-journal." 😄
Makes sense that it may be talking about both john & Danny. I love that you are doing this it helps those who may not be able to watch!
I always assumed the "technically it could mean prince or princess" bit was Missandei keeping Danny in the running, as opposed to her and her alone noting the lack of gendering in the name.
Also, in HotD they're still saying "prince" all the time, in both [English] and Valyrian... at a time where there were plenty of people who *knew* knew the language and would instead use something like 'heir' or 'royal heir' or other non-gendered 'not-quite-ruler' term as opposed to 'prince' when the prince/ss distinction is so very much at the core of the conflict of the show.
In the same stretch... There seems to be several forms of "high valyrian". Take note when the elder dragon handler is talking to the young princes, it has to be translated. Ditto, if you fully recall that scene with Missandei, she politely corrects Danny's valyrian. Which alludes to the point that there might be additional dialects.
Which isnt that hard to believe. I speak American English and my British and Australian cousins English may as well be Chinese to me in some cases.
@@ICU1337 More like, there's dialects of valyrian, High Valyrian being one of them. The Masters in Slavers bay, for example, speak Low Valyrian as opposed to Dany, who speaks High Valyrian. And then they even differentiate valyrian based on the city they're in, as they have a little different vocabulary to one another.
@@itsmj3103 👍🏽
Its not the first time they've changed the meaning of certain words in the show. When Daenarys free's the slaves of Yunkai they chant Mhysa. Dany didn't know what it meant. Missandei told her its Old Ghiscari and means mother. In season 6 when Tyrion and Varys are wandering around Meereen they see the graffiti on a wall and say Mhysa means mother in Valyrian.
I'm glad to have found the help w understanding both shows and how they connect! Thx I'm looking forward to seeing more of your breakdown videos.
...so the prophecy about Jon being the prince that was promised 'makes sense' because the blade that killed the night king had Targaryen blood on it over 200 years ago? What....
Made sense that Arya's the one who killed the Night King because the blood releases the Targaryen condition. So anybody can be it, because it was the weapon all along, not a person.
@@waranghira So by that logic any weapon that has killed or drawn blood from a Targaryen, is the prince that was promised? Is the Iron throne the prince that was promised? If the Night king conquered Westeros, would he have been insta killed the moment he sat down on the throne? It doesn't make any sense no matter how much mental gymnastics you try to apply.
I'll tell you what does make sense though, Dan and Dave ruined the last season to fast track their contract for whatever Star Wars schlock they were planning.
I'm still enjoying HotD, but this dagger theory is just silly, and insulting.
@@K369-v3o it would make more sense to have that Dagger involved in some crucial moments on house of the dragon and possible later series like Dunk and Egg.
@@K369-v3o nah these people are just reaching. If anything HOTD has solidified the thing that it's either jon or dany no one else. It has to be taragaryen blood since aegon specifically said "from MY bloodline comes prince that was promised"
@@angelyuqi6709 I agree. This theory is ridiculous. It has to be a person of Targaryen descent. The dagger may be Lightbringer, but everything else, along with the entirety of season 8 is pure nonsense.
I look fwd to all your videos. I see how the story is coming around full circle and I’m excited to see how it will connect.
I would love a Prequel on the Night King and the Starks. I think that would be awesome
Nice Commentary 👍
Aegon's Dream is that a Targaryen must sit on the Iron Throne (lead) to defend the world from the White Walkers. It didn't require the rulers to outright fight or kill the enemy. The same is for Azor Ahai because Lightbringer doesn't have to be only used by Azor Ahai. It is likely that Azor Ahai paved the way for uniting people against the White Walkers and building a weapon that can ensure their complete defeat.
I love theory time, it’s a great part with a funny in/out-tros
The Night King was actually the Night Prince, and the actual Night King is still in the North somewhere for Jon Snow to come across and kill. He gets the knife after running into Arya on her journeys or they explain that it wasn't the knife prophesied all this time, but the sword named Lightbringer. Or the knife, like the one ring, always makes its way back to the Prince that was promised. The new show could show Arya losing it, then another wielder loses it and on and on until Jon Snow finds it and becomes worried about Arya causing him to lose focus on the fight at hand.
Jon is the prince that was promise, he might not be the one who killed the Night King, but he took the lead in the battle against the Night King. He was able to gather all the forces even with different political leanings. He brought them all together to fight for his cause.
No he isn’t lol.
Pretty sure, Daenerys did all that
@@nairobi8337 umm did Dany bring everyone together to fight the night king? She did not even know he existed.
Agreed
@@nairobi8337 I think you drunk when you watch the show 😂😂😂
Thanks for your videos! 😊
I dont think the knight king gonna be the big villian of jon snow series. I think it is not about thrones and politics either. It would be more about world building and adventures. I think the true danger from the north is not the knight king. Jon snow is gonna find about it and returns to the main land after several years later. The danger from the north probably related to children of the forest who created something more dangerous than the nightking and jon needed to take the iron throne back to fullfil the prophesy. Or GRR Martin would create something new
I have no idea what the Jon Snow thing is about but I seriously doubt its a 'fix it' of the Night King plot to make him the big manly hero but rather a more satisfying conclusion for his own story. Whatever that may end up being.
I don't want it.
This helps tremendously!
The only one who didn’t know what he was doing was Martin. It was obvious to me that,at the point of writing, he had no idea how this story was going to finish this saga.
He knew the ending .it's just like the show bran becoming king, sansa ruling north,Jon goes with the wildings after killing Danny, Danny goes mad.. these were the major ending Martin planned when he started writing the books...issue is old man cooked up so many sub plots for side charecters like lady stonehart,Martell's, fake Aegon etc now he can't connect all of them to finish the story. Also with got fame he is enjoying the fame and is not bothered about finishing the book
Uhh no, DND didn't know what they were doing. They cut so much magic from the books, and cut most of Bran's story which play a big part in the ending.
@@Hero_Of_Old yes D&D failed..but what of Martin? He is equally to blame here for not finishing his story
Check you all out with captions!! Thank you. It has been frustrating how inconsistently your videos features captions…but thanks for this. (Also, these look much cleaner than RUclips’s caption font. Good job)
Hate Prophecy Time?!? Never. I love it!
❤ love the video
I still have no issue with Aria being the one to kill the NK. John still led the army and Aria was a part of it. Doesn’t matter who in the army does the stabby stab, as long as the PWWP leads the effort.
Paul, your commenting voice is interesting to me. I like your thinking and your theories.. and hey shock/alarm, I am entertained 😁😉 Subbed. Precise and to the point.. err, do I detect a Welshman? 🤗✌️😁
The prophecy was passed down but the Mad King's crazy brain couldn't remember most of it other than "burn them all". Maybe Daeny heard it continually as a fetus while her mother told Viserys his duty as future king. Maybe that's why she "burned them all" as she lost her sanity.
“Prophecy time” actually goes hard
I'm all for the Night King and the Great Other being different people in the TV canon afterall. Perhaps even the idea that the white walkers were always ultimately a minor nuisance in the grand scheme of things and they had it all wrong - the night king's forces moving south was not the existential threat, they were trying to get away or ahead of whatever the real danger is. I mean in the end, even with a dragon and the ability to animate the dead the Night King did less damage than Ramsay Bolton - he either *was* the Night King from the book (just an offshoot opportunist, probably a Stark second son) and the rest of the walkers are still out there or the white walkers were not the actual prophesized doom of humanity. Normally I wouldn't be excited for a show like the proposed Snow show, but the biggest complaint about GOT is that they had two more seasons of story that they bailed out on. I'm on board with HotD going out of their way to make things from GOT work a little better and Snow picking up the dropped balls on the back end as long as the GOT writing team isn't allowed anywhere near either project.
Great vid ✌
My theory is that the GoT writers and showrunners just bungled it. It was simply them trying to subvert expectations and as much as I'd like to believe that this all makes sense know, unfortunately GRRM has more say of what goes on in HoTD and would tie more into his own books than the GoT series.
Love to see your spin on the shows content
It didn't look like there wasn't any blood on the blade after Rhaenyra had been cut by Alicent. The choice of shot seemed very deliberate. Maybe the dagger had absorbed the blood? I dunno??
when you get cut by a blade , most of the time wont be any blood on it. It takes some milisecs for blod to come out , the blade wont be touching you flesh by then
In this review, he says that Rhaenyra's hand was cut, but it was actually her forearm cut through her sleeve. Perhaps the blood got wiped off on her sleeve as it withdrew from the fabric.
To this day, I still don't understand how Arya knew which one of them actually was Night King. Some of the long haired dudes look like they could be more of a Night King than actual night king.
Arya killing Night King at least this way was beyond dumb.
It’s be super nice if all of season 8 was just a vision of Bran or someone else and they can reboot the whole season and it’ll workout for all of us yay! 😆 they can pull a twilight or eclipse or whatever 😆
one thing you did not mention here is the Azor Ahai prophecy telling the sword lightbringer is forged when the promised prince cuts his/her *lover* through the heart with it. that's why I always thought Jon is Azor Ahai because he killed Dany in that fashion, potentially saving the realm from her upcoming tyranny darkness; bringing the light with the lightbringer, not -longclaw-
But you are forgetting the part of bringing back dragons and the fact that Dany fulfilled the Azor Ahai prophecy in season 1 ( the only thing she didn’t do jet is the sword thing)
Love watching this videos. It gives me another way to look at this and how it differs from the book.
I like it when you say prophecy time, its funny!
I believe the prince who was promised was John snow
Obviously but apparently dumb and dumber said it didn’t feel right
I like the fact that Alicent tried to dab raniro with the blade in her face but they did a close up shot of the blade with fire behind it. That roaring fireplace was behind that blade. That was a great shot. The Lord of Light was fully engaged of what was going on that night.
I think the Night King was just a Pawn for the Bigger Bad, The Great Other or whatever that will be introduced in the Jon Snow show , Which then would make sense ! instead of the Night King just returning back .
I rather they brought back dany using some sort of dark magic
I'd love it if the Bigger Bad, the Great Other, turns out to be Bran (or the mixed consciousnesses of the 3 eyed ravens, Bran, and the Children of the Forest.) It was all part of their plan to take the Iron Throne.
Jon marries Sansa in the book to remain the King of he North.
D&D were told by GRRM to write a different ending and to no spoil the book. This is why nothing in Season 7 & 8 makes any senses. Any ridiculous plot armor ... means that characters dies in the book.
So were there any ridiculous plot armor in Season 7 ... to keep central characters alive who should have have died?
Ohhhhh, hell yeah.
@@abelincoln8885 yeah, but sadly, be honest, Martin won't finish the books. It already took him 11 years for Winds of winter, its still not out and we would still need the last book. He is 74 years old...
I think these Ice demons weren't the original ones. The Children made these.
I really enjoyed this breakdown ❤
I like to believe that Dany is the prince that was promised. Start of Ep 1 of HotD even mentioned her name. Plus they keep clarifying that the word "prince" in high valerian is gender neutral.
It’s either just Jon or both Jon and Dany.
Dany will return. Drogon took her to Asshai.
@@meritorioustechnate9455 nah she already said she won't return to the Job Snow sequel. Keep in mind too it's Kits baby, George RR don't have anything to do with it
@@RobbMartini we will see, for Team Red is endgame. It’s GRRMs IP. He’ll get the last say. It’s like not actors have never lied about appearing in a role.
@@meritorioustechnate9455 yeah but I understand why she would have no interested. They ruined the ending. I just hope George finishes the books but I doubt it. He's busy dicking off with HOTD, Elder ring, dunk and egg and everything else that isn't his crowning achievement.
Thanks for tour always illuminating breakdowns. Prophecy Time
I think their tryna more that the “prince who was promised” I always saw it as someone leading them and showing them and Jon did do that so yes the prophecy came true no where in the prophecy it said that he had to be the one to kill the night king it was more of leading the people and bringing them together
The prophecy is fire and ice. The starks are the ice the targaryens are the fire. Rhaegar Targaryen and John's mom who is a stark. The starks have been Targaryen Allies long before viserys was even born. All Targaryen Allies are from the north near or on the wall
@@kckillakrack9714 but ain’t John a Stark & Targygen being the son of Lyanna Stark & Rhagar Targaryen buddy boy
@@kckillakrack9714 we’ve established that book and show is two different things believe me I wish their was more stuff from the books in the show but it’s what we got and we gotta think on what we got
@@6ixallah ummm fire and ice? Lol
@@6ixallah ok? But the show has been pretty close to the books so far so....
Giving the knife to Bran is like giving running shoes to Bran
Stark + Targaryen = ice and fire =John
It’s ridiculous that they gave Arya the glory in the end
Crazy dialogue dude you really do your homework ❤
Doesn’t save it, sorry.
thanks for the info
May be the jon snow spinoff could even have daenerys being resurrected, since she was flown off to valyria and there’s kinvara the fire priestess who could end up doing it
umm no- Kinvara served the Lord of Light.
I've never thought it was anybody but Snow
Arya was technically "no one" by the time she killed the night king. Which could mean she is able to become whatever was needed to fulfill the prophecy.
What a plot convenience. God that show ending was a fuckin disaster
This is dumb as fuckkkkkk
How on Earth do people still not get that the prophecy was obviously not to be taken literally, I mean at all: Jon is (!) Azor Ahai, ending the "Long Night", which is the figuratuve (!) "darkness" of the unstable, violent times that had come over Westeros, by killing Daenerys (who's obviously his Nissa Nissa at the same time, after he had "killed a lion" = helped kill Cersei). The Night King is mostly in the story for some characters to mistakenly take the prophecy literally, look up misunderstood prophecies in Greek mythology / in Shakespeare's works (or at least Star Wars...) and tell me that's not exactly the kind of thing an author like GRRM would do...
This makes so much sense!
Remember that Cat’s blood (from her hands) got on the blade during Bran’s attempted assassination in season 1. Aria shares her blood and some from Jon Snow.
Love your Spoiler Reviews!! It helps tie the series to the books and fill in blanks for people like me who didn’t read the entire book series but saw all of the TV episodes. Thank you!!
Love the explainer
"born amidst salt and smoke? is he a ham?" 🤣
I like subs, sometimes I need to have the volume low and can't always hear, so they come in handy 🤙🏻
I greatly appreciate the subtitles in the video so I don’t have to rely on RUclipss. Thanks a lot.
I don't think this whole dagger thing is in the books. It's only the show. However, dragon glass (obsidian) could have been part of the recipe for Valerian steel. Dragon glass being the key to killing Wightwalkers.
I love theory time!! Bring it on
Paul idk if you need an assistant of some sort but I’d be happy to do it. I’ve watched your content for years and am always amazed how you’re able to put so much concentration in different forms of media! Amazing!
I also love your theory time thing
Well, it doesn't matter what any of us thinks, it only matter what GRRM thinks. He is the final say based on whatever is in his books, he did create all of this after all
This is what pisses me off they talk about the night king and how they have to defend the world from him but D&D made him into a fucking joke. I love the series as is lets not drag any GOT shit in there just triggers me mentioning season 8