Why you DO NOT need a rangefinder anymore
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- Опубликовано: 12 сен 2024
- FOB Eric asked me an interesting question and it got me thinking. Are rangefinders passé?
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I went through a lot of frustration with my used refurbished OX. Cheek weld, then mounting issues, battery drain, software updates … but I worked through and resolved each one. They were not enjoyable and I’m pretty particular about my gear being “right”. I’m finally happy to say everything is RIGHT with it now. My Oracle X cost more than I paid for my $450 Centerpoint crossbow. I paid $554.93 for the OX as it was a “refurbished” used one. Burris has gotten most or all of the bugs worked out of the OX product now and they have great customer service. I just need some time actually hunting with it now before I decide how durable and trouble free it is day in and day out. When they work right ( let’s hope this trend continues) the OX is a difference maker period. I think someone on a limited budget might be better off spending more on this OX scope and maybe less on a $1500 plus super crossbow. I just wish I would have had this set up in Illinois 2 years ago when I misjudged and blew a shot on the biggest buck I have ever seen. Great video and to each his own if you don’t use one yet … that’s cool too.
I think you hit the nail right on the head. I think the scope is more important than the crossbow if you're going to spend money on something LOL indoor experience is pretty much the same as what I had, a lot of problems at first with the first one I had but once I got those bugs worked out it has been, as you put it, a difference maker! Good luck to both of us!
@@FDRGREG my buddy’s battery won’t shut off and it kills his batteries so he brings 7 sets of batteries on his moose hunt
@@archerontario Burris has an update that fixes that if he sends it in.
@@archerontario He needs to send it in to Burris. It’s probably the software update but let Burris go through it with his detailed description of all the problems. It’s about a 3 week turn around but this time of year maybe longer. I believe these scopes can be fixed perfect even if they were not from the factory. He may already be set up so the timing depends. Maybe after his crossbow season is over immediately send it in. He will be glad he did when it’s returned
@@Deathbybunjie Amen Rich! Appreciate you man! Great informative and entertaining content brother! Best of luck this season !!!
I respect you using the equipment that you enjoy, but I'll bet 90% of us crossbow hunters can't afford that high tech equipment. I still carry my $99.00 rangefinder that I bought about thirteen years ago. Still using my Mission MXB320, also around thirteen years old. Many of us are retirement age now, on fixed incomes. My stuff still gets the job done for me.
That's good to hear but they are still selling out of these, and also I really do think price will come down over time. Everyone will be using something like this down the road pretty much.
@@Deathbybunjiemaybe in a few decades sure.
The scope is 1000 or more. I work everyday and still can't afford it. I barely got a swat X1
@@darnellfields2309 799 on wyvern creations
Wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of my price range forever. Even at $600 it's out of my price range. I will just keep doing what I do.
Exactly! These guys don't take into account that the majority of guys who hunt don't have a huge budget to buy high end equipment. I'm 64 years old and retired on a fixed income, as are a large percentage of us O.G. bow hunters (I started in the 80s). Most of my fellow hunters I talk to here in Eastern Oklahoma are pretty much in the same position as me money wise.
@randallflores-qr8cs yes I'm disabled on a fixed income as well. Had to save for 2 years just to buy a newer crossbow from Amazon
I agree l use a older model have to because of on a low income because I’m disabled myself
Eventually they'll be on most crossbows. Takes time. They just came out! First computers were for rich people only, now we all got a phone. This is just the beginning.
Maybe, maybe Rich. But I do believe it'll be at least 10 years. I agree with these other guys. No way I'm dropping a thousand bucks for a scope on my crossbow. If that was possible, I'd rather drop it on the crossbow or lots of other goodies I could get. I grew up marking off yardage. So it's not an issue for me. Maybe someday. My accuracy is still good. Bottom line, outside of my price range. Would it be nice, sure. But, not happening, unless a miracle happens!😊
I bought that scope and I'll never hunt with anything different again! I love it!
All my trees are marked at my usual spot. Soo I guess I don't need a range finder lol
Thats the most logical comment ive seen. Mark the yardages from the hide.
That's what I do. A whole lot less expensive than his scope.
Scope with a built-in rangefinder is absolutely the future of Crossbow hunting. But it has to be cited in from the get-go to prove effective. Very good video thank you Richard.
Thank you for watching!
You touched on it some..This channel was intended for the budget friendly crossbow hunters..That scope I bet cost more then most of your followers x-bows..I enjoy using a range finder,I mark out my trees and stumps with yardage.Still love your channel.
It wasn't really intended to be budget friendly but rather for all crossbow hunters, although I get your point. I will continue to mix it up!
@@Deathbybunjie That is what I love about this channel.We all can share our options and thoughts....At the end of the day we enjoy our crossbows and equipment.
If you've watched his channel, most of the ones he's bought were refurbished units at around $500. $500 for a rangefinder and quality scope isn't a huge price to pay. Especially when you consider a vortex rangefinder is roughly 150 and a vortex crossbow scope is 200. And that vortex scope is on the lower end. Look at the tenpoint scopes, as much as 450 for their top end speed rated scope. Another $50-100 gets you both the range finder and scope.
Or, you can do what I did and buy the sig bdx setup with the rangefinder/scope combo. Yes the rangefinder is separate, but it still adjusts just like the Burris but in a conventional sized scope. There are other options from omega and now BUK (Barnett/buck commander) with the omega being under 400.
I think your crossbow appreciation month videos are fantastic! It’s the first thing I open on RUclips when I wake up! I think it would be really cool if you took all of those targets, shot them all with the Burris, and then switch to the speed scope and shot the targets again to demonstrate opposing accuracy. If I had the money, I would put one of those Burris rangefinder scopes on my crossbow tomorrow! I don’t see that happening for a while.. I will say that I 100% agree (for me) accuracy, and doing everything possible to ensure accuracy is paramount. If you don’t Range correctly, it could obviously result in shot misplacement I feel you could easily lose your game by just wounding it. Nobody wants that anything that you can use as a technological advantage to ensure a good humane kill is super important. To me that goes hand-in-hand with having a faster crossbow as well.
Had the burris scope. My matrix 380 had so much recoil it caused the mounting screws on scope to loosen. Ultimately the front screw stripped out. I bought the garmin x1i and just now got it sighted in. The setup on the garmin is tremendously easier. The mounting system is rock solid. The fit, finish ect is much better. Yes the price is 2x but the quality is 10x.. I have other products from garmin and I've always been impressed with the quality and durability. When the mount was tight on the burris, mine functioned flawlessly. When I returned the scope to burris for repair I mentioned that two small mounting screws an inch apart in the center of that long scope is not adequate and they didn't dispute what I said... I'm like you obviously, I'm not going back to a conventional scope and rangefinder...
As an OG subscriber, I understand and respect the evolution of crossbows and the need to advance with them... As you mention, we must be open minded, and therefor not forget the true art of archery. Nothing compares to drawing back a vertical bow, and settling in on a pin and releasing an arrow. Less is Always more \m/
I have idea about pulling back a vertical bow. I'm pretty happy pulling the trigger and if it's that much fun, go for it. But I'm not an archer, don't care to be...I'm a crossbow hunter 100% but you already knew that lol
I don’t have that scope but I understand why you and others do hunting is hard time away from family . That scope just make anyone a better hunter . 👍
Love your videos keep up the great work
I think my rangefinder will still be in my hunting pack for some time.. the range-finding scopes are becoming more and more popular, but the price is still too much of a constraint, especially here in South Africa. Even the cheaper ones will cost half my monthly salary (and more than double what my crossbow cost).
Until the price comes down a bit, I will stick to what I have. - but I fully agree that this is the future and you are doing the right thing to embrace it 🙂
A rangefinder will forever be an archers best friend.
Hand held or electronic in a sight or scope it is one bit of equipment that is crucial.
Unless you don’t care about the animal and want to judge and have a bed shot and track rangefinder is our best friend.
I love my Oracle X. I don't think I'll ever be without one again. The one improvement that would just about make it perfect is if it was a bit smaller and lighter in weight.
Smaller faster lighter denser cheaper. That's all technology and it'll be the same for Burris too. Takes time.
Love your videos, thanks for sharing.
I've been wanting to purchase a Burris scope but I always stay with my set up because I've had no issues but your giving me the itch again! Love your videos! Keep em coming!
Love crossbow appreciation month..thanks for all the hard work you been doing for this month..
I understand 100% of using the Oracle scope. Bought one last year and it changed everything. Yes they are expensive but changes range finding and guessing is it 30 or 35. Less movement and I would purchase a less expensive crossbow to have the scope. Missed or bad shot placement is totally you and not estimated yardage.
With the Burris you don’t have to worry about forgetting your range finder.
Great video! Love Crossbow appreciation month, no idea how you do it all. I know Bradford Co keeps you busy! Keep up all your great work in both areas! Congrats Rich on your success!
Thank you! 😊
Love your videos and would love to have an Oracle X if I could afford it…however as a lifelong compound/recurve bow hunter I prefer to keep my crossbow setup as close to a compund as possible.
I prefer to use a red dot with no magnification and will mark yardage. I finally got a rangefinder last year. I’m behind the times haha.
I’m not ready for that yet. But being able to bait I get the deer usually to 20 yards so I wouldn’t use it much. Even at 30 yards. Cool stuff though.
Rich, you are 100% right on this one. Range finding scopes will definitely become standard gear on crossbows in deer season. We owe it to the animals and the sport to get clean, ethical kills. I think scope technology will only get better and cheaper. As a person who competes in unknown yardage archery competitions, I feel like I am devoting hours perfecting a totally outdated skill. Nice work.
I started out bow hunting many years ago and I always set up in fairly thick areas where I would have the best opportunity to take a good buck. That being said I only needed a single pin setup. And I have taken numerous bucks breaking the 140”mark. So now that I’m physically dependent on using a x-bow my setup has still remained in hunting thick cover, so I replaced all my speed scopes with a red dot and I can shoot at any deer in that area (confidently). My stands are fairly high up so my range is about 45yards away Max. I learned through many hours and years of practice that with my setup I can put my arrows in a 3” circle all day long inside my hunting area 🙂. And like you Rich, shooting the 150gr. Swhacker with a 3 inch cut….pretty much every deer I have shot at ended up in my freezer !
Keep up great the great work!!
Mike, from beautiful Wisconsin 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸
Good stuff!
This answer honestly surprised me, but your logic makes sense. The Burris really is amazing
Really good question, thanks
After listening to your point i agree with you, i would have made the other choice at first and pick the Swatx1 but you have a good point
I would be ok with a scope with real crosshairs with yardage hash marks, and a built-in range finder. If the battery dies, and you lose the range finding function it's not the end of the world. You may have to take closer shots where you can estimate the range easier, but your hunt's not ruined. What I don't like about the Oracle X is the digital crosshairs. Battery dies, or bump it a little too hard, and now you have no sights period. I don't get enough time off to hunt to risk losing multiple days/weeks waiting on Burris to get my scope fixed and back to me, or the money to have multiple backup digital rangefinding scopes.
The Burrisnhas physical cross hairstyle. You're good. The Garmin has digital ones. 😎😮
I bought a Burris after seeing it here. I would agree, never without. Love that thing so much, makes it so much easier and more accurate. I like it so much I'm looking at their Eliminator 6 as an option for a new rifle I'm putting together as it's the same thing, but for a rifle. I get it... it's not cheap, but if you can... 100% suggest.
I like my cheap Nikon rangefinder when I am picking trees to place stands in. Like your clip about the 100 year old apple tree yesterday. Having a rangefinder is somewhat helpful when comparing trees to set up in. I also like a rangefinder during turkey season, but that's hunting with a shotgun. As a compound bow hunter, I don't use a rangefinder while hunting, nor do I practice with one. I want to be able to instinctively judge distances, because I may be pulled back long before the shot. The actual shot may take place @ 15 yards or 25 yards, but I don't determine that. The deer I am trying to harvest determines that shot. I don't need a rangefinder to know a deer is out of my range. When I hang up my compound bow & start using my crossbows more, I wouldn't rule out a Burris Oracle X some day. I must admit, however, that sounds somewhat boring! LOL!
Great point about the rangefinder when setting up stands (or targets)!! BUT, keep in mind, if you use the Burris...it doesn't matter if it's 20 or 24 or 32 or whatever. I can kill a deer, dead on, either way. I don't even have to know the number! Although it tells me lol. But it can be a problem for Genevieve who is not yet using one of those scopes, and that has occurred to me. We shall see!
I have the yardage painted on every visible tree within 50 yards of my stands. Usually touch it up every 3 years. I try not to let my hunt rely on a battery.
Not real mobile lol but a solid plan just the same
I respect your opinion on rangefinders but I have to say that I also use my rangefinder as a monocular because the sight picture is closer than it is through my scope. And I can't adjust the magnification on my speed ring scope because it will throw off the aiming points. My rangefinder can also range objects that are on the other side of bushes. By holding the fire button down and sweeping from side to side it picks up and ranges the object on the other side. I prefer the advantage of that. Thanks for the video. I enjoy them all.
That is a good point, and it's good that you understand that about the speed scopes. Not to be a dead horse but the Burris does allow you to zoom in and out without affecting the accuracy which is another nice thing
I agree I won't hunt without the Oracle X, it's that much of a game changer. On an unrelated question, the level behind the scope is that really something we should be using or not. I can see why you would just not sure if anyone ever really talked about that.
The Burris has a pretty decent level and it that appears to become more sensitive at distance at 20 yards it really doesn't make any difference but canting can be a really really big problem at 30 yards and beyond. I always try to get my eye on that little level just for a reality check before I pull the trigger, I just make it one of my habits. I really do like it. I'll do a quick video on that. It really is something I should talk about more.
I would recommend checking out the ATN x-sight 4k pro annd abl 1500 as well. Although heavy, it foes everything the OX does as well as record audio and video.
I have a crossbow mounted rangefinder and I don’t want to hunt without it
I ended up with a Ravin R20 and the Garmin xero x1i, so far it’s awesome!
Sweet!
I've honestly wondered if cheaper golf range finders would be okay.
But yeah, I'm certain I gained a few Grey hairs at 34 looking at the price of hunting rangefinders. 😳
I just want a way to set up a target at the 20-30-40-50 yards without needing a flipping tape measure.
Makes sense to me
I still use my vortex ranger to make sure my range finding scopes are correct
I have never seen an Oracle X except on youtube so I don't know how well they work as far as the range finder in them. Every range finder I have ever used struggled in thick woods to give me a quick accurate range. They seem to invariably pick up vegetation. If you are hunting wide open area like a food plot they were great but in the thick swamps where I often hunt, not so much, especially if I hunt from the ground vs a tree stand. I would call the area where your 100 yr old apple tree is "wide open" but how does the Oracle X work in thick woods? Love your channel and wish you and Genavieve a safe and successful season.
I always have shooting Lanes planned out, whether I cut them out on private land or whether I have scoped them out ahead of time on public ground. I know what you're talking about with the thick stuff, but I just don't intend to shoot in those areas. Too much can go wrong at least in my mind. But I will say the scope does a pretty good job of telling the difference between the animal and surrounding vegetation in my experience, because you're looking right down the rangefinder and ranging as you're looking at the animal, and I'm constantly clicking and re-ranging as the animal moves. Pretty good.
I’ve shot over 50 whitetail in the past 6 years with the same ten point m1 turbo and center punch bolts although I did switch scopes …. I didn’t like the ten point speed scope and purchased a killer instinct lumix illuminated scope much better reticle and it’s been perfect these past 6 seasons ……at 62 the reticle on that scope is so much better at $99 bucks Walmart never an issue ever other then changing a battery every season lol
That's pretty cool 😎
I would go with the newer set up and separate rangefinder. The reason being is some state an electronic range finding scope like that is illegal to hunt with.
worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/burris-oracle-legal-states
Pretty much legal everywhere I want to hunt although it looks like Florida and Texas need to figure things out LOL
@@Deathbybunjie And I live in NW panhandle of Florida lol
Spot on sir, wish I could afford a Burris Oracle X, until then I'll be as flat shooting as possible with approx. 400 gr. TW bolt and 2" cut Swhacker using the reasonably priced KI Ripper 425, many deer down & always an exit for me. -W. Liggett
Awesome good luck!
Thank you sir, good luck to you all too, looking forward to your Maryland hunts soon!!
I would still keep that rangefinder on hand. You never know when that piece of technology is going to malfunction or messed up. I would say what is tried true and tested would be the speed scopes, many different manufacturers of them, and they are widely available as far as I know, there is only three range finding scopes For crossbows available I don’t know if I would consider that but eventually giving more years they will be tried true and tested. I tested out two of those units and had issues with both scopes and I don’t enjoy shooting my crossbow so much that I have to change my strings out within three months, but I’m sure if I got my first unit and it functioned flawlessly that I would be saying the same thing
Awesome video, Rich! I'm so close to ordering one, it would be great to not have to remember to pack a rangefinder. However, my current rangefinder struggles in foggy conditions even though it's supposedly a more premium model. Have you had any experience with the oracle x in foggy conditions? Thanks for all the info.
In my experience it works as good or better than the independent rangefinders that I have had. It definitely does not give me the issues with certain targets that I've had over the years with various rangefinders. It locks on pretty much everything. And it does so immediately.
If your out in the woods enough you know the distance I bought the omega 2 not that great but still use as a range finder
I live in Canada and I only live on pensions I can't afford an oracle x. I have no problem using a rangefinder
I think its a great tool, i also think at 1200 its a bit pricy for alot of guys. my 10 year old gets to come crossbow hunt for the first time this year and i would love to toss one on our crossbow but i cant justify the price.... i hope we can see them come down in that 600 dollar range and at that point i think you will see more of us adopt them. i do apricate you being on the cutting edge letting us know what will be coming
$1,200 is MSRP. Wyvern Creation sells them for $799. I agree that is still somewhat expensive, but they can be found for less already.
I’ve never used o range finder in my life and never would. In the 80’s - 90’s we used to go to 3D shoots all over the East Coast where range finders were not allowed. You had to train yourself on judging distance which is very easy. We then used that knowledge for hunting. Anyone should know what 5 yards looks like from the ground or in a tree. Pick a tree that is five yards from you and just work your way out, easy peasy. Using this method we were able to make shots up to 50 yards on game. Harvested close to 100 deer using this method. I don’t think a range finder would have made a difference. Don’t have anything against using them but I don’t feel it’s a necessary piece of equipment to have no matter what the price. Equipment like range finders make you lazy and dependent on something and if that something happens to break or stop working your hunt is over before it started. Yes strings, cables and other parts on compound bows and crossbows can fail in the field but most can also be replaced or repaired in the field, electronic gadgets is another story. Learn how to “judge”distance first is my opinion before getting a cheap or expensive range finder. Plus it makes it more enjoyable when you connect with your target whether it’s alive or just practice. Keep on keeping on
Couldn't agree more
just depends on your drop vs your ethical range.
Yessir!!
Having a combined scope and rangefinder such as the oracle X isn’t legal in all places, I thought you cover that in one of your videos before, Rich
The problem with the "latest and greatest" mentality is it often it's not even that great. People will double the cost of their setup just to get another 5 ft per second, which has no impact on the end result. Having more precision in your shot placement definitely has an impact on the end results. So this isn't really a change in mentality, it's just an advancement that actually makes a difference for once.
That's a good point, this is kind of in a lot of ways the latest and greatest and I certainly struggled with it at the beginning, see those videos last year, but the reality is is such an improvement over all that is worth struggling with. I'm happy that they're working a lot of the bugs out that's for sure.
@@Deathbybunjie I used to wear cheap socks and my feet were always cold. I upgraded to quality socks and now I have a lot more fun hunting now that I'm not freezing. Some guys always want the newest gear, some guys want the most primitive, but they are just in it for the bragging rights. I try to get the gear that actually improves my experience, regardless of what anyone thinks of it.
Like my hearing aids low cost to make BUT WAY OVERPRICED just think if they can sell a refurbished for less than half the price of a new one it's still too much.
Do you have battery problems with your Burris Oracle ?
Not really, one is not as long lasting as the other ones but it's easy to change. There's a firmware fix but I just haven't bothered to send it back.
I wish id gave that scope fair chance . Cause my wife needs all help she can get with yardage. An i will be getting another
I would like to throw this question out there about rangefinders.. as you well know. Today’s modern crossbow shoot faster and flatter than ever!! My question is, Do you think rangefinders(hand held or built into the scope)are somewhat irrelevant when shooting in a real world hunting situation.. I’m talking about in the woods where you may have obstacles to avoid and you may only have the ability to shoot 50 yards or less.. so, for the sake of argument 😊 you shoot 20-50 yards.. how much is that arrow “bolt” dropping from 20-50 yards? I bet you’re going to center punch those vitals without knowing the exact yardage when you’re pushing over 400fps!!! So,when I get into my treestand and range let’s say 20 yards out to 50 yards I know if my bow is shooting relatively flat trajectory I should be able to put the crosshairs on that deer’s vitals and put a ethical and lethal shot on that deer without knowing the exact yardage… I was wondering if you could shoot your crossbow in the “backyard 60” and put my question to the test? I’m more curious about the results.. I’m on the fence about getting another Hand held ranger finder now that I’m using a crossbow exclusively now.. Thanks for all the informative videos I look forward to watching them.. keep up the good work and “all hail Bunjie”!!!
Just a follow up from my earlier post.. I feel there is no question a ranger finder is a must for slower shooting crossbows I.e. the original Bunjie vs. “the enforcer”!! The reason I’ve presented this question to you is I shot a buck last fall and didn’t know the exact yardage and put the arrow in his vitals and he only went 50 yards.. I’m just curious with these modern fast shooting crossbows.. thanks again for doing a great job on your videos…
@@darrindecker6836 I have a Wicked Ridge Invader 400. Not the latest or the greatest. I see a progressively increasing drop. I don't think I would take a live shot at 50, but I've learned to shoot a 3-inch dot at 50 on a range. I can get by reasonably well on a 3D range without a range finder, but for real hunting I'd prefer to know. In the field, when I have not been sure of distances, it has been a problem.
The drop is always more at the end, right before impact, be it 20 or 50 yards. My answer is it might matter less, but it still matters. There's no substitute for precise accuracy in the backyard or field IMO
Even at 400 fps, there's a significant amount of drop from 20-40 yards.
I couldn't bring myself to buy the burris. My dad has one and i just dont like the way it sits. Way too high for me. I went with the sig bdx system 3.5-10 scope and their bdx rangefinder combo. Now, it does the same thing as the burris, but the scope and rangefinder are separate. But, its all in a conventional sized scope. Ive yet to actually sight it in and see how it works, but the overwhelming majority of reviews are positive. Even mission was shipping bows with this setup. Now, i do see that barnett has partnered with buck commander and came out with their own rangefinding scope that is way more compact than the burris, but ive not yet seen any actual reviews on it. It should be shipping soon, so videos should be coming out shortly after. Its also gor a price point of around $600. Not sure on fhe warranty though.
That is one problem with the burris, you will need a cheek rest to raise it up. That's why you go to God A Grip lol.
Rich! I heard they discontinued the Swhacker 251! What are you gonna use now? Swhacker 243?
I have a lifetime supply of 25 ones that I stocked up on but the 243 is the one to go to now that's for sure
I wish it was smaller. They will do that in time. But right now the X is to much for me.
It's a little big but so are good scopes. It's a little heavy but so is good glass.
I would take the borris of bunjie and hunt the rest of my days. I cross bow hunt but I don't take out a rangefinder at all..
What about when you have to squeeze a shot through a hole in the brush? How do you do that with the Burris Oracle X?
Range, aim, shoot.
Honestly, it's the same as if you used a regular scope. The trajectory doesn't change, you're viewing window is essentially the same as a regular scope. If you're going to hit that branch, you're going to hit it with either scope.
@@Deathbybunjie I have trouble with my range finder trying to get a range through a narrow hole, so I'm forced to range something close and then compensate. I just wonder if the range finder on the Scope would have a similar problem.
I dont even have to wonder about if its worth the price. It isnt legal for hunting in my state so it is worthless to me. I dont expect that to change anytime soon. Fortunately a rangefinder and speed scope is nearly as good.
Rained cheek piece.. where do I go for that. *need*
Mike's God A Grip godagrip.com/
Really good guy, great stuff
luv ya B-man .... but even with the burris you are still carrying a range finder .
it is just built in and is faster than a separate unit .
Layaway it if you have to; I did and I will never go back.
I really like your you tube sight, and I try to stay open and positive, butttt I just can’t agree with you. That sight is way to expensive for me. I been bow hunting for over 50 years and still dont use cameras, yes I said that. I guess I will still accept the challenge of old school bow hunting just use my old school bow which is an Oneida black Eagle and my budget crossbow.
Burris oracle x would be illegal here in wyoming because it has illuminated dot I think it would be nice to have to eliminate range finder
Keep in mind it does not project a red dot it just has a red dot inside the scope, so it might be legal!
@@Deathbybunjie that would be good check it out for me please let me know
I see these scopes a lot like I saw smartphones at first. No need, I do just fine with what I have, I won’t buy one. I eventually got a smartphone and now I’m not going back. I think I’ll get one of these scopes when the price goes down a bit.
Great comparison, I just pointed that out to somebody earlier in the comments. Same thing to me. I actually was one of those people also by the way when it comes to cell phones I put it off a long time but man where would we be without it. Now I use it for everything.
I have a question. My KI rush 380 cracked a limb. They put KI 405 limbs on it, will that change my speed? Will it now be a 405 ft per second?
Limbs are one thing that changes speed but so does Powerstroke and other factors, best thing to do is run it through a chronograph, and that doesn't really matter as long as you sight in with the new limbs with your arrow setup.
@@Deathbybunjie thank you sir.
Where’s the Scorpid ? Did Bunjie 2.0 go into retirement?
Wait and see lol more soon
Range finding scopes are not legal where I live. I'm guessing there are similar laws in other states. It seems illogical because it could result in a more accurate shot and thus a cleaner kill. I guess on the bright side I have an extra $1K in the bank.
Where are you?
@@Deathbybunjie Alaska
I’m not buying these 10lb sights until they’re smaller, sleeker, and cheaper.
Lol they're 2 lbs but they will get smaller lighter cheaper over time I am sure
Where’s your Scorpyd ?
You shall see very soon LOL
@@Deathbybunjie my buddy is the Scorpyd dealer in Canada in Windsor Ontario man there a great crossbow
Love the concept but way out of my budget.
Totally get that but they'll come down over time, we'll see!
Yea no way. That's not really needed for cross bow hunting and at that price😮
You are losing touch with your base brother
$500 is too much for a rangefinder/scope combo? New ones are close to $1000, but the refurbished ones are going for half that with the same warranty.
I did a video on the whole "base" thing.
@Deathbybunjie I'm not going anywhere I think it's cool watching you hunt your way and like the general xbow discussion. I might just suggest running videos on more grounded bow set ups as well. Keep doing you I'm a fan.
@@hunterdan2002um yea. There's plenty of other people on here saying the same thing. It's like buying a f350 king ranch to go get groceries.
Great video rich some day I hope. Awsom all hail bunjie 🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌🦌