Hey guys, this video blew up, so here's a pinned post with some FAQ! Q: Where is this being played? A: On a site called Advance Wars By Web: awbw.amarriner.com/ Q: Competitive Advance Wars exists in 2024? A: Yes and it's amazing, check out more of my videos here: ruclips.net/p/PLtQwvs0YaimI59KmHvBN67B0QCnluNbAJ Q: How can I begin playing? A: Check out this video explaining it: ruclips.net/video/vHj0c64JQIw/видео.html Q: Why is it impressive that rip_ builds so many transports? A: At the highest level of competitive Advance Wars, you don't tend to see many transports since they are a very risky investment, this is akin to someone sacrificing a piece in a grandmaster-level Chess game. Q: Why are you bald? A: Because I know your mom likes it Please enjoy the vid!
Its that bell curve meme where the low end says Mechs are pretty good, the middle is raging saying mechs suck because of low movement, and the high end is also saying Mechs are pretty good.
Hey there! I would absolutely love to ask your father some questions about AW's development. Is he interested in a short text-based interview? If so, contact me at mangsmemes@gmail.com
I like how this kinda shows the real world principles of a vehicle heavy attack force vs a mobile light infantry defense using AT weapons to take out critical targets while still keeping mobile enough to never suffer a counter attack.
Clefairy could have gone Soviet though and moved the artillery in with the tanks to compensate for the poor infantry. Clefairy could have really punished that infantry attrition with an artillery or two in the center and artillery are really good at getting good trade against Mechs who are so slow.
There is really no viable line that could hold the tide even with Artillery on this map. The middle is designed for mobility, so any force smaller than the opponent will still be stuck with losing engagements. On defense Artillery are only good at chokepoints that force the enemy to overextend or as sacrificial tools to hurt an impending force that is close to overextending. Arty units have many more dynamic options supporting a strong offense as they make aggression safer and are critical for either taking property or locking it down.
But he's fighting a mech/infantry wall in the center, they aren't mobile at all until Sami pops a power. He has an artillery anchoring the top and bottom flank but they are completely wasted when they could have punished the center infantry push on Day 10 for example and kept the unit counts vaguely equal. Tanks attacking the infantry wall would get punished, but mechs can't punish an artillery. Meanwhile the flanks also end up getting a tank to anchor them anyways so the artillery is completely wasted. Tanks on flanks are better anyways since they are actually capable of front switching back to the center where arty can't.
@@yoloman3607 generally Clefairy decided to invest in holding the sides instead of meeting his army deathball for deathball which would be the only way Artillery could have enough of a meatshield to be effective in the middle. Even still due to Sami's unit composition being more Infantry-centric on the Frontlines usually clashing benefits her more than most Co's because her Infantry can dismantle opposing Infantry walls. Really fascinating match though, while I like playing Sami in ranked T4 Fog the amount of work the T-copters put in the entire match was insane. Immaculate play from both players.
I KNEW from the second that T cop started moving he was going to use it to forward some mechs. It's so simple but theoretically super cost effective I'm surprised more people don't do it.
I don't think Rip's playstyle will take over the site. Rip has fully mastered the game, and now he just makes his own meta. There are players who I think could mimick his playstyle, like Go7 and kantbei, but the far majority of people would just create the bad mech-spam we're used to. It definately was a treat to watch, it's nice to see how these absolute top-players distinguish themselves from the "normal" grandmasters.
I have not heard about this game since I was 15 playing in highschool on my game boy. I’m 31 now. This was a hilarious blast from the past. I had no clue people even knew about this game. Now there’s competitions for it!? I’m blown away. Amazing commentary and gameplay. Bravo.
I'm a complete AW noob and I can barely understand all the intricate plays going on in a game, but I can still see the way rip managed to get multiple uses out of every individual T-copter almost every turn is just nuts. Talk about getting your money's worth. To be able to pull that off you probably need to have your units' positioning figured out 1 or 2 turns in advance and even be able to adapt to your opponent's moves on the fly if you need to.
Yeah, essentially what happened was he was able to flood the center with mechs for a quick assault and by the time Clefairy could mount a counter attack they had used up 2-3 of their three shots.
In fairness, this was less "mech spam" and more "mech tactics"; using cover, team work and transport to get the most out of his units. Heck, last time I even commented mechs would be better in FoW.
Fair point with FoW. Mechs are too easy to outmaneuver when you can see them being recruited. Without FoW if you see enemy committing to transport copters you can easily go for recons to punish no tanks. In FoW you can never be sure how many are being recruited and where they will be sent until you scout them.
I play with my kid on a handheld and not online at all. This came up in my feed because we had been looking at units I guess. I am mildly surprised that competitive isn't only FOW and that there is even a discussion around it.. it just seems a no brainer? A quick google seems to indicate that the main problem is that you don't know the opponents commander.. which is sad.
That’s impossible! You’d match with people of similar skill and somebody would have a tactic that matches your own if you played that much. I’d imagine intentional down mmoing or something if I saw that kind of winrate.
@@NYC1TY pretty possible. It’s likely that this account is for “serious business”. And the guy is demonstrably defying meta in real time, meaning his tactics are bold, unorthodox and have no ready counters yet. If you think about it, it’s quite reasonable and even expected to see this ratio with this approach to ladder meta.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 agreed like, if you manage to make non-meta tactics work in a strategy game where everyone is so comfy in the meta couch that non-meta suddenly turns into a meta because nobody understand how it works to know what to do It's the fun of experimentation and dedication
@@NYC1TY It's probably a smurf account. Like he has probably grinded 100s of matches with one or more other accounts and then made this one to blaze to the top.
Sami’s transport is an infantry movement multiplayer, and her playstyle is meant to be copter heavy, with cheap ground units so she can spam them. If the infantry/ mech ball has +1/2 movement consistently when front shifting, it’s way scarier.
Yes, this, bring several strengths together. It is honestly surprising me (a complete noob at this particular game) this wasn't the norm always. Maybe it was at some point, and it got countered, and then forgotten, and now times are repeating itself?
Since this comment blew up, I’ll clarify on how rip won that was interesting. While building his Sami death ball he went out of his way to hunt every enemy recon. The Sami death ball had supporting veichles 4 tiles+ back, and thus were out of the enemy sight range. Rip then pulled off a hidden front switch while having a infantry/mech death ball, the army that threatened the HQ was a feint, and after doing so repositioned to defensive terrain in anticipation of the COpower. The rest of the army moved north to pick off the enemy northern assault Throughout the mid game he ruthlessly exterminated the enemy infantry. By the last turn even after pushing Sami back at great loss, he would need 5 turns to flip the closet city! This is a great example strategic creativity and skill, thank you mangs for the video.
@@HerrFinsternisespecially the way they controlled space with infantry and applied mechs/tanks if the enemy tried to engage, it’s a real textbook play. never played ladder, but I love to flood the board with infantry ‘cuz of how hard it is to trade evenly against them.
honestly same. popped up, thought it was just an Advance Wars gameplay review from like, the switch version or something (wouldn't know since I don't have it), and then seeing it's a whole ass web client? So cool
I've always felt like T-copters were a hidden gem, a way to effectively turn mechs into something as useful as light tanks, and you just pay for them once and benefit from them forever if you use them right. but damn it takes some skill to get to that point.
That was a fantastic battle of maneuver! Using transports to overcome the mobility challengers of mechs to actually enable his mechs to over his own tanks is inspired. The meta sleeps on transports because they are expensive, especially in the early game, and the opportunity cost of a transport is often considered not worth. But rip_ demonstrated that added mobility, that tactical flexibility is wildly valuable, perhaps even worth the cost.
I think this video kind of undersells Sami T-Copter mechs as a strategy. I get a bit of an impression from watching that it only works because RIP is a very strong and confident player, and not because it's just a good strategy (depending on the situation/map, of course). It's not mech spamming, it's tactical use of T-copters and mechs in combination with other vehicles. Remember, T-Copter+Mech is only 8000 compared to the 7000 of a tank, and Sami mechs hit way harder than her tanks do. It's absolutely worth that 8k for her. She also has +1 transport movement, so you can potentially move a mech 9 squares as Sami (more with COP) to position better than she could with a tank. Another thing, this map specifically makes copters and mechs stand out even more compared to tanks, because all of the rivers restrict tank movement. T-copters and mechs don't care about that, and it opens up a lot of new angles for Sami to attack with and takes away a lot of the mobility and tactical flexibility advantage tanks would usually have.
This t-copter spam strategy is very similar to what go7 does to people, put pressure on crucial spots on the map early while focusing on good reinforcement lines with transports to get away with aggressive capturing. When rip was with most of the units in the middle where most fighting happens and a lot of engagements are in your favor because mechs would just trade with tanks, you can't really do much as jess there especially when your infantry can't even trade with your samis infantry which forces vehicle engagement. And that was in rips favor all the time.
First time watching this channel, clicked because I always thought sami would be a cool character to get good with but never really figured it out. Haven't played in years but I still have fond memories of this game, glad to see it's still around! Also thought it was funny that most players apparently inch their opponents off the map, I mained Grit and that was definitely my strat!
This is literally the first piece of Advanced Wars media I’ve EVER seen, and of course, it’s a meme player trolling 😂😂 There truly is a god in this world.
Sami is just so fun to watch. It's really a treat to see top players use her like this. Even in fog she can still be scary to play against. She can just demolish the enemy infantry and then the opponent is forced to take bad engagements.
Mech + tcopter barely costs more than a tank and you get 2 units! But the difficulty in creating pressure compared to a tank (it’s practically a turn slower) ig means only very skilled players could even consider that play
One mech + tcopter costs more than a tank yes. But one tcopter can bring more than one mech. One tcopter + 2 mechs is cheaper than 2 tanks. And by the time you've got a 3rd mech, the tanks have to rely on their mobility to still be competitive. I think overtime theory will develop around mech usage and intermediates will use them more. Time will tell lol
@@emperorarima3225 Not to mention it's on a map with a lot of rivers that keep tanks from front shifting as quickly (while allowing copters and mechs to attack over them), and the 40% power difference between Sami's mechs and her tanks. You can tell just by looking at it that using T-Copters and Mechs is a good strategy for this map.
Insane match, thank you Mangs. As a French person, I take it personaly when you misspell "Coup de grace". Please, make the "sss" sound at the end of "Grace" :'(
No idea why this was recommended to me, I haven't played Advance Wars since I was a kid on the GBA. I didn't even realize people still played it let alone competitively. Neat
Sammy is an interesting CO for sure. The fact that her strongest units are also some of the cheapest makes her swarm potential difficult to deal with. I will say that is some real restraint to not use her victory march to go capture crazy. Usually I feel like even if it's not the safest play, the effects can be devastating enough to give you a serious advantage in the coming turns since they can't do the same to you and take back what you steal right away.
That aggressive thrust at 12:30 was honestly brilliant. A deep strike towards LC's HQ used as a feint, instead producing a well defended salient, with the expansion to the south that completely secures the flank so that rip_ can mass his unit advantage and grind out LC's surviving defenders.
Being able to maneuver that ball front and back like a game of football using mechs and t-copters is pretty bonkers. I completely get why you love to watch him play, it's pretty exciting.
operation mechstorm will be so proud of this mech spam a underrated note about t copters they can tank a tank even medium tank attack not so much a anti air as well which makes them perfect defences for defending mechs to get the offense they need and giving tanks the ability to bait anti airs so that the battle copters for sami even with -10% can still go in fantastic vid mangs^^
I'm really enjoying these fog games. I had waited for the remake to try to jump into multiplayer matches as someone newer to it and was so disappointed by that implementation I didn't really get into the website. Might finally be feeling it, though I'll probably get wrecked for quite a while.
Fog matches are the best. They are intuitive, Intel wins you battles, you can front shift, build traps it's so amazing. Standard is just boring because you have all the info readily available to you and it's easy to get mirrored... Then it gets super stally..
I usually don't comment, but damn RIP's play was just beautiful! I expected him to play defensively, but his mech play is ON TOP! Most inspiring game I've seen in a while, if not ever
This video makes me think of an interesting idea to make transports more popular... what if all transport units had Fire Emblem cavalier Canto? As in, any unused movement points they have after dropping off a unit can be used to move the transport back/forward more.
DAMN RESPECT FOR RIP that looked like some insane play I would use, just forcing them to be funneled through some areas and delaying the hell out of everybody like both using the T copters to boost and absolutely secures everything with "Just enough" resources less than enough Imo but that gamble paid off and his resources went elsewhere and at 12mins I knew the end was near
Love these advanced by web casting videos, the more the better. Edit: since its out now would love for you to check out Athena Crisis, really good successor for advanced wars.
I don't play AWBW yet. But here are my takeaways: 1 - Mechs have no terrain penalty, which is good. 2 - Tight formation in with mechs in a "L" pattern providing anti-vehicle coverage afforded by Sami's bonuses. The possible damage is enough to dissuade attacks. This means keeping on a 3x3 or 4x4 square at most. Good that mechs are cheap. 3 - Preference to advantageous (to Sami) infantry engagements to defuse attacks. Any victory becomes an useless overextension without infs to capture cities. 4 - great use of victory march to secure income lead. The best response to this would be medium tanks, but most players would rather not throw their md tanks to get swarmed by way cheaper units who'd get better ROI. It's better to front switch and use arties to zone out properties. Messing with a cluster of Sami mechs isn't worth it.
Never seen that game and idk how your video got in my recommendations but it was really enteraining and intresting to see even if i dont really understand whats going on
Wow, what an amazing match! The map knowledge on display here from rip_ is phenomenal. Transports and mechs are inherently passive builds, but Clefairy did not capitalize on it.
As in most turn based games, Action Economy (and Mobility by proxy) is king. If you can do more things in a turn than your opponent you will more often win. So making a lot of low cost units that provide medium to big value in return makes perfect sense. Sami gets more cost effective cheap units, and on large maps like this with lots of production possibilities it's theoretically superior. Map balance could alter this quite heavily I think, but to me it looks like rip_ just understands how to value things better.
my favorite combo is Sami and Eagle and just dropping soldiers after two back-to-back turns and instacapping everything and overwhelming my enemies with only rocket dudes and jets :D love this game one of my favorites!
Man, Rip just made LordClefairy look like an average top 100 player in this match. Absolutely incredible what Rip did. Ive always been a fan of the transports, and long disagreed with Mang's opinion that they arent able to have good use in competitive AW matches, i think they are very viable. Nice to see an unbeatable player who knows how to lean into the strengths of transports show how good they can be.
Yeah, I've been waiting for someone to attempt this. The thing about strategy is that you need some form of structure to make it realistically possible. When you build Infantry & Mech units they are two of the cheapest units that can easily form as a sense of structure. Often leaving plenty of resources banked back and more units on the field compared to someone doing otherwise. Even if your opponent counters, they are often spending more turns clearing out the infantry than it takes to build them.
Mangs: Trading an anti-air for a battle copter isn't necessarily a good thing; Also Mangs: Lord Clefairy decides to trade his anti-air for the battle copter which is fine
when i played this game i would often play sami, she is so fun but hard to play it was really interesting to see rip display such a understanding of the game was really fun to watch
Hey guys, this video blew up, so here's a pinned post with some FAQ!
Q: Where is this being played?
A: On a site called Advance Wars By Web: awbw.amarriner.com/
Q: Competitive Advance Wars exists in 2024?
A: Yes and it's amazing, check out more of my videos here: ruclips.net/p/PLtQwvs0YaimI59KmHvBN67B0QCnluNbAJ
Q: How can I begin playing?
A: Check out this video explaining it: ruclips.net/video/vHj0c64JQIw/видео.html
Q: Why is it impressive that rip_ builds so many transports?
A: At the highest level of competitive Advance Wars, you don't tend to see many transports since they are a very risky investment, this is akin to someone sacrificing a piece in a grandmaster-level Chess game.
Q: Why are you bald?
A: Because I know your mom likes it
Please enjoy the vid!
On Q4, sacrificing pieces in chess is very common. I'd maybe compare it to using a meme opening. See Magnus Carlson swapping the queen and king.
That last Q totally made me guffaw. 😂
Well played!
That random algorithm hit, it even spams me this video after I already watched it. No one knows how this works.
Ur mom joke here is wildd
So it's a web based rip off of Advanced Wars, I see. Did the original gameboy game become abandonware?
"I've shown you my T-copter, pls respond."
"Can I have an E-Copter?"
What about second t-copter?
@@SteamWolf320(I don't think he knows about second t-copter, rip_,)
Not in my state you can't :/
I got a heli, heli, heli, helicopter
I got a heli, heli, heli, heli - hey
"Sir, a third T-copter has hit the Com Towers"
start complaining that they're T-bagging the Com Towers without appology.
Its that bell curve meme where the low end says Mechs are pretty good, the middle is raging saying mechs suck because of low movement, and the high end is also saying Mechs are pretty good.
When dumb and genius people agree 😂😂
I always knew it ever since I first played this game when it was released that mechs with Sami can define a meta
MECHS ARENT JUS GOOD THEY ARE GOD TIER. lol.
LOVE SAMI
It's called a Gauss bell
@@alejandrovallejo6763 it's called a get mech'ed bell
My father was a part of making this game and I showed him this match and he smiled the whole time..
Thank you for sharing this.
Hey there!
I would absolutely love to ask your father some questions about AW's development. Is he interested in a short text-based interview? If so, contact me at mangsmemes@gmail.com
who created that game?
Love this.
I like how this kinda shows the real world principles of a vehicle heavy attack force vs a mobile light infantry defense using AT weapons to take out critical targets while still keeping mobile enough to never suffer a counter attack.
Clefairy could have gone Soviet though and moved the artillery in with the tanks to compensate for the poor infantry. Clefairy could have really punished that infantry attrition with an artillery or two in the center and artillery are really good at getting good trade against Mechs who are so slow.
There is really no viable line that could hold the tide even with Artillery on this map. The middle is designed for mobility, so any force smaller than the opponent will still be stuck with losing engagements.
On defense Artillery are only good at chokepoints that force the enemy to overextend or as sacrificial tools to hurt an impending force that is close to overextending.
Arty units have many more dynamic options supporting a strong offense as they make aggression safer and are critical for either taking property or locking it down.
But he's fighting a mech/infantry wall in the center, they aren't mobile at all until Sami pops a power. He has an artillery anchoring the top and bottom flank but they are completely wasted when they could have punished the center infantry push on Day 10 for example and kept the unit counts vaguely equal. Tanks attacking the infantry wall would get punished, but mechs can't punish an artillery. Meanwhile the flanks also end up getting a tank to anchor them anyways so the artillery is completely wasted. Tanks on flanks are better anyways since they are actually capable of front switching back to the center where arty can't.
@@yoloman3607 generally Clefairy decided to invest in holding the sides instead of meeting his army deathball for deathball which would be the only way Artillery could have enough of a meatshield to be effective in the middle. Even still due to Sami's unit composition being more Infantry-centric on the Frontlines usually clashing benefits her more than most Co's because her Infantry can dismantle opposing Infantry walls.
Really fascinating match though, while I like playing Sami in ranked T4 Fog the amount of work the T-copters put in the entire match was insane. Immaculate play from both players.
I KNEW from the second that T cop started moving he was going to use it to forward some mechs. It's so simple but theoretically super cost effective I'm surprised more people don't do it.
The aggressive defence of "yeah you can hit my tank, but... _Gestures to the 2 mechs standing behind it."_
So brits
never send in tanks without infantry support
4:30 "spectate the balls of this guy in action" I am crying lmao
LOL
I don't think Rip's playstyle will take over the site. Rip has fully mastered the game, and now he just makes his own meta. There are players who I think could mimick his playstyle, like Go7 and kantbei, but the far majority of people would just create the bad mech-spam we're used to. It definately was a treat to watch, it's nice to see how these absolute top-players distinguish themselves from the "normal" grandmasters.
Mangs: Mech spamming doesn't work in AWBW
Rip: MJ meme - "And I took that personally."
Number 1 against number 2? Damm we are watching Olympus going down in flames today haha
I have not heard about this game since I was 15 playing in highschool on my game boy. I’m 31 now. This was a hilarious blast from the past. I had no clue people even knew about this game. Now there’s competitions for it!? I’m blown away. Amazing commentary and gameplay. Bravo.
I'm a complete AW noob and I can barely understand all the intricate plays going on in a game, but I can still see the way rip managed to get multiple uses out of every individual T-copter almost every turn is just nuts. Talk about getting your money's worth. To be able to pull that off you probably need to have your units' positioning figured out 1 or 2 turns in advance and even be able to adapt to your opponent's moves on the fly if you need to.
Yeah, essentially what happened was he was able to flood the center with mechs for a quick assault and by the time Clefairy could mount a counter attack they had used up 2-3 of their three shots.
@Pluveus one of the campaigns has 1 mission that really shows how strong Sami is.
Like the Tspin of this game.
In fairness, this was less "mech spam" and more "mech tactics"; using cover, team work and transport to get the most out of his units.
Heck, last time I even commented mechs would be better in FoW.
Fair point with FoW. Mechs are too easy to outmaneuver when you can see them being recruited. Without FoW if you see enemy committing to transport copters you can easily go for recons to punish no tanks.
In FoW you can never be sure how many are being recruited and where they will be sent until you scout them.
I play with my kid on a handheld and not online at all. This came up in my feed because we had been looking at units I guess. I am mildly surprised that competitive isn't only FOW and that there is even a discussion around it.. it just seems a no brainer? A quick google seems to indicate that the main problem is that you don't know the opponents commander.. which is sad.
21:30 The neo thought it was in days of ruin, thought it could hide on property
which doesn't even make sense since neos aren't even in days of ruin in the first place lol
the infantry at 18:14 manages to actually hide in the neutral city (center of the map) LOL
0:55 Holy Shit. 142 wins to 17 losses? That's insane!
That’s impossible! You’d match with people of similar skill and somebody would have a tactic that matches your own if you played that much. I’d imagine intentional down mmoing or something if I saw that kind of winrate.
@@NYC1TY This game is vs the 2nd highest rated player
@@NYC1TY pretty possible. It’s likely that this account is for “serious business”. And the guy is demonstrably defying meta in real time, meaning his tactics are bold, unorthodox and have no ready counters yet. If you think about it, it’s quite reasonable and even expected to see this ratio with this approach to ladder meta.
@@everythingsgonnabealright8888 agreed
like, if you manage to make non-meta tactics work in a strategy game where everyone is so comfy in the meta couch
that non-meta suddenly turns into a meta because nobody understand how it works to know what to do
It's the fun of experimentation and dedication
@@NYC1TY It's probably a smurf account. Like he has probably grinded 100s of matches with one or more other accounts and then made this one to blaze to the top.
Sami’s transport is an infantry movement multiplayer, and her playstyle is meant to be copter heavy, with cheap ground units so she can spam them.
If the infantry/ mech ball has +1/2 movement consistently when front shifting, it’s way scarier.
Logistics win wars after all.
Yes, this, bring several strengths together. It is honestly surprising me (a complete noob at this particular game) this wasn't the norm always.
Maybe it was at some point, and it got countered, and then forgotten, and now times are repeating itself?
Since this comment blew up, I’ll clarify on how rip won that was interesting.
While building his Sami death ball he went out of his way to hunt every enemy recon. The Sami death ball had supporting veichles 4 tiles+ back, and thus were out of the enemy sight range.
Rip then pulled off a hidden front switch while having a infantry/mech death ball, the army that threatened the HQ was a feint, and after doing so repositioned to defensive terrain in anticipation of the COpower. The rest of the army moved north to pick off the enemy northern assault
Throughout the mid game he ruthlessly exterminated the enemy infantry. By the last turn even after pushing Sami back at great loss, he would need 5 turns to flip the closet city!
This is a great example strategic creativity and skill, thank you mangs for the video.
@@HerrFinsternisespecially the way they controlled space with infantry and applied mechs/tanks if the enemy tried to engage, it’s a real textbook play. never played ladder, but I love to flood the board with infantry ‘cuz of how hard it is to trade evenly against them.
Idk how this popped up in my recommendations... but this was actually a fun watch.
honestly same. popped up, thought it was just an Advance Wars gameplay review from like, the switch version or something (wouldn't know since I don't have it), and then seeing it's a whole ass web client? So cool
Sami: You know what Red? we both gonna die here, you for the hit and me for the explosion
Jess: ... Im start to worry about your relation with Eagle
I've always felt like T-copters were a hidden gem, a way to effectively turn mechs into something as useful as light tanks, and you just pay for them once and benefit from them forever if you use them right. but damn it takes some skill to get to that point.
Great match! I can't believe that mechs and T-Copers are being played at grandmaster level matches THAT good.
Never knew that my childhood game will have competitive battle. I will look for more
16:21 it's really cool how rip use fog to his advantage.
Been replaying this for the 3rd time today
That was a fantastic battle of maneuver! Using transports to overcome the mobility challengers of mechs to actually enable his mechs to over his own tanks is inspired.
The meta sleeps on transports because they are expensive, especially in the early game, and the opportunity cost of a transport is often considered not worth.
But rip_ demonstrated that added mobility, that tactical flexibility is wildly valuable, perhaps even worth the cost.
That Tcopter use was insane
Can't wait for the return of GRIM GUY
I think this video kind of undersells Sami T-Copter mechs as a strategy. I get a bit of an impression from watching that it only works because RIP is a very strong and confident player, and not because it's just a good strategy (depending on the situation/map, of course). It's not mech spamming, it's tactical use of T-copters and mechs in combination with other vehicles. Remember, T-Copter+Mech is only 8000 compared to the 7000 of a tank, and Sami mechs hit way harder than her tanks do. It's absolutely worth that 8k for her. She also has +1 transport movement, so you can potentially move a mech 9 squares as Sami (more with COP) to position better than she could with a tank.
Another thing, this map specifically makes copters and mechs stand out even more compared to tanks, because all of the rivers restrict tank movement. T-copters and mechs don't care about that, and it opens up a lot of new angles for Sami to attack with and takes away a lot of the mobility and tactical flexibility advantage tanks would usually have.
I really appreciate using the pause versions of the tracks. It's one of the best things about reboot camp.
This t-copter spam strategy is very similar to what go7 does to people, put pressure on crucial spots on the map early while focusing on good reinforcement lines with transports to get away with aggressive capturing. When rip was with most of the units in the middle where most fighting happens and a lot of engagements are in your favor because mechs would just trade with tanks, you can't really do much as jess there especially when your infantry can't even trade with your samis infantry which forces vehicle engagement. And that was in rips favor all the time.
welp that was rank 1 and 2 difference and their different playstyles were neat
What a game. Beautiful movement with reprisal always imminent from Sammy.
First time watching this channel, clicked because I always thought sami would be a cool character to get good with but never really figured it out. Haven't played in years but I still have fond memories of this game, glad to see it's still around! Also thought it was funny that most players apparently inch their opponents off the map, I mained Grit and that was definitely my strat!
This is literally the first piece of Advanced Wars media I’ve EVER seen, and of course, it’s a meme player trolling 😂😂 There truly is a god in this world.
Sami is just so fun to watch. It's really a treat to see top players use her like this. Even in fog she can still be scary to play against. She can just demolish the enemy infantry and then the opponent is forced to take bad engagements.
man why didnt i know this earlier 😭
i hope its still going strong
Mech + tcopter barely costs more than a tank and you get 2 units! But the difficulty in creating pressure compared to a tank (it’s practically a turn slower) ig means only very skilled players could even consider that play
One mech + tcopter costs more than a tank yes.
But one tcopter can bring more than one mech.
One tcopter + 2 mechs is cheaper than 2 tanks. And by the time you've got a 3rd mech, the tanks have to rely on their mobility to still be competitive.
I think overtime theory will develop around mech usage and intermediates will use them more. Time will tell lol
@@emperorarima3225 Not to mention it's on a map with a lot of rivers that keep tanks from front shifting as quickly (while allowing copters and mechs to attack over them), and the 40% power difference between Sami's mechs and her tanks. You can tell just by looking at it that using T-Copters and Mechs is a good strategy for this map.
Competitive advance wars, I’ve seen it all I think, so bloody cool
This throws me back to when I playing Advance Wars on my SP, good times~
Love seeing Sami put in work. A masterclass from rip_
Ooo jeaah, it's great to get more Advance wars content! Thanks Mangs!
Also Sami games are so entertaining to watch.
21:00 It looks like he waited to pop it because he could only see two infantry at the start of the turn.
Insane match, thank you Mangs. As a French person, I take it personaly when you misspell "Coup de grace". Please, make the "sss" sound at the end of "Grace" :'(
touch gra
i am so glad this appeared in my feed. i used to love playing this game
time that Mangs shows that rip guy of what material Flak is made of 😅😂
No idea why this was recommended to me, I haven't played Advance Wars since I was a kid on the GBA. I didn't even realize people still played it let alone competitively. Neat
i wish i'd had this 20 years ago when i was hopelessly addicted to AW
Sammy is an interesting CO for sure. The fact that her strongest units are also some of the cheapest makes her swarm potential difficult to deal with. I will say that is some real restraint to not use her victory march to go capture crazy. Usually I feel like even if it's not the safest play, the effects can be devastating enough to give you a serious advantage in the coming turns since they can't do the same to you and take back what you steal right away.
Insane game. Operation Mechstorm and DaysOfPlague would be so proud.
The mechs and t-copters made this look like a sensei match
I just started playing and started watching your channel, Me and my friend play against each other while at work through out the day lmao
That aggressive thrust at 12:30 was honestly brilliant. A deep strike towards LC's HQ used as a feint, instead producing a well defended salient, with the expansion to the south that completely secures the flank so that rip_ can mass his unit advantage and grind out LC's surviving defenders.
Being able to maneuver that ball front and back like a game of football using mechs and t-copters is pretty bonkers. I completely get why you love to watch him play, it's pretty exciting.
Advanced Wars mentioned, in the year of Our Lord, 2024? My soul is rejuvenated
You look like if Agent 47 takes the suit off and just relaxes for once 😂
Zerg Spawning in Advanced Wars is really awesome to see
When the Teleports Behind You meme meets the Clown Car
inb4 everyone starts spamming sami on this map to give me free wins
🤭
omg, just stumbled here by accident, what a jewel, kudos for more advance wars content! hooray
operation mechstorm will be so proud of this mech spam a underrated note about t copters they can tank a tank even medium tank attack not so much a anti air as well which makes them perfect defences for defending mechs to get the offense they need and giving tanks the ability to bait anti airs so that the battle copters for sami even with -10% can still go in
fantastic vid mangs^^
This guy has definitely been Dr. Evil for Halloween
I'm really enjoying these fog games. I had waited for the remake to try to jump into multiplayer matches as someone newer to it and was so disappointed by that implementation I didn't really get into the website. Might finally be feeling it, though I'll probably get wrecked for quite a while.
I havent seen this game in 15 years... The nostalgia Hits
Fog matches are the best. They are intuitive, Intel wins you battles, you can front shift, build traps it's so amazing. Standard is just boring because you have all the info readily available to you and it's easy to get mirrored... Then it gets super stally..
Man, I used to play that same style of gameplay back in the day, sami and transports. It so much fun too, regardless if it's good or not.
Didn’t even k ow this game had a competitive scene
It's so cool seeing Billy Corgan playing one of my childhood favorites
Interesting to see that there are still people playing this game =3.
I usually don't comment, but damn RIP's play was just beautiful! I expected him to play defensively, but his mech play is ON TOP! Most inspiring game I've seen in a while, if not ever
This video makes me think of an interesting idea to make transports more popular... what if all transport units had Fire Emblem cavalier Canto? As in, any unused movement points they have after dropping off a unit can be used to move the transport back/forward more.
DAMN RESPECT FOR RIP that looked like some insane play I would use, just forcing them to be funneled through some areas and delaying the hell out of everybody like both using the T copters to boost and absolutely secures everything with "Just enough" resources less than enough Imo but that gamble paid off and his resources went elsewhere and at 12mins I knew the end was near
I have no idea why RUclips recommended this to me, but it's nice to see a niché community thrive and have fun. :)
Love these advanced by web casting videos, the more the better.
Edit: since its out now would love for you to check out Athena Crisis, really good successor for advanced wars.
I haven't played Advance Wars in decades. I don't know how this came up on RUclips. But dang, that was an entertaining watch!
Mechanical infantry being positioned near tanks?! Someone should tell real militaries about this brand new strategy.
They already do it in real life
@@thereynaldosan7695 I think that's the joke
Rip has started the Tri-copter Mech meta 🫡
I don't play AWBW yet. But here are my takeaways:
1 - Mechs have no terrain penalty, which is good.
2 - Tight formation in with mechs in a "L" pattern providing anti-vehicle coverage afforded by Sami's bonuses. The possible damage is enough to dissuade attacks. This means keeping on a 3x3 or 4x4 square at most. Good that mechs are cheap.
3 - Preference to advantageous (to Sami) infantry engagements to defuse attacks. Any victory becomes an useless overextension without infs to capture cities.
4 - great use of victory march to secure income lead.
The best response to this would be medium tanks, but most players would rather not throw their md tanks to get swarmed by way cheaper units who'd get better ROI.
It's better to front switch and use arties to zone out properties. Messing with a cluster of Sami mechs isn't worth it.
this is like the Rowan Atkinson sketch where he's designing a bathroom and he just fills it with toilets...
the play that Operation Mechstorm wishes he could pull off
I have no idea what this game is, but your cast is good and it is interesting.
Thanks!
It feels like he's using actual military tactics.
Never seen that game and idk how your video got in my recommendations but it was really enteraining and intresting to see even if i dont really understand whats going on
Wow, what an amazing match! The map knowledge on display here from rip_ is phenomenal. Transports and mechs are inherently passive builds, but Clefairy did not capitalize on it.
Amateurs talk tactics, professionals talk logistics ;-)
I wonder if Lord had put a rocket on the HQ and lob at the ball of doom could have it changed thigns.
As in most turn based games, Action Economy (and Mobility by proxy) is king. If you can do more things in a turn than your opponent you will more often win. So making a lot of low cost units that provide medium to big value in return makes perfect sense. Sami gets more cost effective cheap units, and on large maps like this with lots of production possibilities it's theoretically superior. Map balance could alter this quite heavily I think, but to me it looks like rip_ just understands how to value things better.
They need to make a fire emblem version of this
my favorite combo is Sami and Eagle and just dropping soldiers after two back-to-back turns and instacapping everything and overwhelming my enemies with only rocket dudes and jets :D love this game one of my favorites!
Man, Rip just made LordClefairy look like an average top 100 player in this match. Absolutely incredible what Rip did.
Ive always been a fan of the transports, and long disagreed with Mang's opinion that they arent able to have good use in competitive AW matches, i think they are very viable. Nice to see an unbeatable player who knows how to lean into the strengths of transports show how good they can be.
I didn't realize this game had active players, let alone a competitive scene. It's a cool game for sure
Oh man, I last played this game 20 years ago!
Loving all the advanced wars content recently! 🎉
May we get more fog games, I love seeing those :D
Yeah, I've been waiting for someone to attempt this. The thing about strategy is that you need some form of structure to make it realistically possible. When you build Infantry & Mech units they are two of the cheapest units that can easily form as a sense of structure. Often leaving plenty of resources banked back and more units on the field compared to someone doing otherwise. Even if your opponent counters, they are often spending more turns clearing out the infantry than it takes to build them.
Interesting strategy with Sami. Raise the floor, raze the frontline.
You got to see the amazing talent of rip... Absolute godlike tactics and gameplay!
I know how sports people feel getting enjoyment of foobaw recaps now
And it's great!!!! Loved this video ❤
Mangs: Trading an anti-air for a battle copter isn't necessarily a good thing;
Also Mangs: Lord Clefairy decides to trade his anti-air for the battle copter which is fine
Seeing Advance Wars matches in 2024 is like the last thing I expected today.
when i played this game i would often play sami, she is so fun but hard to play
it was really interesting to see rip display such a understanding of the game
was really fun to watch
Make defeating him one of those Impossible Mangs challenges and watch the replays flood in!