Some corrections: - Bloon trap mostly got the $100 shifted form lower tiers (Still slightly more expensive if inside discount since t4 gets no discount) - Forgot to mention merchantman price increase $2300 to $2400
I think if NK wanted to nerf the top 5, they should target perma-stall strats. This weeks boss was all people stalling over 2 hours. Nerfing the easy farming options isn't good. I think micro based farming should be better than passive farming, but it already is. The gap doesn't need to be increased. The more you increase the gap, the more newer players are going to get discouraged from trying their best.
I disagree on the second part, I think there should be a significant gap between high micro and low micro strats to reward players who have better skill/planning. If there is no gap then players won't try harder because why would anyone put more effort to get the same result.
@@blackeyefly No, I agree with you. I do think micro strats should be stronger, I do not think passive strats should be weaker. I want them to buff micro.
Hardcore level farming is really only necessary when aiming for high ranks or against extreme modifiers. Otherwhise, you can easily get away with marketplace into BRF into megaopolis, which requires very little management. They did not nerf all of farming, only the overpowered ones.
@@kevin-7091 This ^ I mainly use bottom path since I can just sell my farms to get most of my money back Sometimes middle path when I have Ben as I can deposit some of my money into the IMFs to let it snowball and after collecting it and activating the ability for even more cash, then the cycle continues until I have a buttload and I sell them for stronger defenses
Thing is, bosses are set harder to match the high ceiling strats that top players set. Lowering that gap allows events to be made that have lower requirements to beat
@@just.someguy5145Perma stall is an entirely different problem, as it leans closer towards exploits than a strat. They definitely'd address it in the future, as they have with every other exploits. The classic casual strat for farming has always been Marketplaces, into BRF, into Megaopolis and Banana Central, all of which are basically untouched (except for a slightly less income for megaopolis). There is no need to exaggerate and say they nerf everything, while it is very simply not true
I'm just gonna list here all the balance changes i care about for towers i use: *HEROES* -Ben now unlocks cyber security at Lv4, and skimming at Lv6, nerfing his early game income even more. Definetly the one balance change i hate most about this update. -Geraldo fertiliser now applies to all farms, restocks faster, and has higher max stock. Also his gerry fires last 5 rounds, and increase to 10 rounds after Lv16 -Obyn now grants camo detection to druids in range on Lv8 *BOSSES* -Elite phayze 5% slower when the shield is up on every tier -Normal Dreadbloon rock bloons now have almost double health *TOWERS* -Glue splatter price decreased alot -Glue storm now has much less uptime and slowdown -Base Boomer cost decrease (325 to 315) -Monkeyopolis got nerfed again, making an extra 1000 instead of 1250 -Ninja base cost decrease to 400 allows a ninja dart start on chimps -Jungle's bounty and spirit no longer passively generate lives (generated using money ability) , allowing for synergy with heart of vengeance. Speaking of heart of vengeance, the max speed buff got halved from 100% to 50% -Bloon crush deals double damage effectively making stalling during ranked bosses much harder -Bomb Blitz damage buff from 3 to 5 -Relentless glue price increased by 400 (they nerfed my beloved) -Base Boat is 100 cheaper -Low tier sniper shrapnel now does better damage and cripple moab shrapnel has increased pierce -Ace Paragon has more homing attacks and less radial attacks, making it less micro heavy -Monkey Wall Street price increased by 10k -Base engi and double gun are cheaper which helps for early game, but price is compensated in bloon trap by being a little more expensive -Quincy's triple shot now lasts much longer, and gets more duration at Lv13, but no longer gains 0.5s every level
As a x-bossweat I remmeber there was one week that the minimal time was possible and needed imf farming cause u needed enough for vtsg and more and I decided then and there imma learn imf farming. First time I ever got first place and I didn't even do it to perfection just no1 else did it I was legit the only player who invested the time into it. It was absolute hell and I swore to never do it again but I have a first place badge and no1 can take that form me
No because 000 boat was reduced by 100. The overall cost is the same Edit: actually it might be nerfed by a tiny amount due to mk but it's basically negligible
Oh yeah that's true, didn't think about that. And yeah as endguiap pointed out, i guess it is a little bit more expensive under a discount village still but not by much
Ninja Kiwi mentioned they weren’t happy about how tough the elite bosses were in terms of raw health, and they would rather nerf both farming strategies and elite boss health instead of letting the best income strategies outscale ridiculous amounts of boss HP.
Given that every single paragon above 60, TSG overclocks and brittle plus cross path and infinite T5 mods it still took me 6 tries to beat the last epic boss, the difficulty was fucked. If I need to use strategy WHILE CHEATING and still lose, the boss is probably too hard. I’m not THAT bad at the same (Black Boreder on everything Intermedite or lower and a few hard black borders).
Imagine: you can no longer farm in bosses bcs of how impossible farming became. Now bosses are no longer added bcs of how farming was destroyed and how long it takes to get a good defense without the old farming
You don’t need these farming methods to beat elite bosses. I basically never get Monkeyopolis or Geraldo and most bosses ban Ben anyways. The only place this effects would likely be ranked where you need heaps of money
I tried to understand farming but it felt so stupid I just gave up. Yes i play casually so I never actually do the elite bosses because any time I try to learn farming, it gets changed enough to be awful or im using some outdated strat that actually screws me over more than I realize. At this point I just black border maps then hop off :/
It's really important that any buffs and nerfs made to farming serve to make farming fun for as many types of players as possible, and if top tier players have to resort to IMF strats because it's the most efficient, competitive bossing is going to suck:(
honestly i do think the farming methods were a bit strong, like the opolis had no reason not to be brought especially if you're using village buffs already and bens farming was already stronger than a banana farm when he's cheaper than them (all i'm saying is if opolis being a one time purchase doesn't excuse its power then same should apply to heroes) big problem is all these nerfs being introduced at the same timecause stated in the video, farming isn't the same as a damage tower. boat farms get buffed by bottom path farms and villages, the latter also affects top and middlepath farms and certain towers like middle path druids income is affected by the amount of farms there are. it's all interconnected, no farming strat uses only one tower so the nerfs should be rolled out one at a time to see their affect on the game, if the strategy remains while reducing the snowball? great! if the change kills the tower? revert it. by batching them all together its way harder to find the actual problem tower. like i don't think delaying bens skimming will kill the hero, in bosses he starts at level 3 so he gotten skimming immediately, but at the same time it does complicate deciding if the opolis nerf is what destroys casual farming.
small update, played with ben and yeah he can full on buy teir 5 towers from his 1K starting price making 30K by round 80 on easy maps, and with hero xp scaling that income could easily double on expert impoppable. i already dislike how over centralising heroes are in this game to a point you're choosing between them verses if they're worth using, but now every gamemode except chimps ben is a no brainer, unless you're using sauda but that's fairly map dependant.
@@vyor8837 no it really can't, first a 220 costs about 3K not 1K plus it only makes about 200 a round when ben also has skimming on top of his production which now snowballs. the reason why i say it could double is because at that point of the game he's making 1K a round making back his investment every round, something only matched by a max buffed boat farm set up which needs tens of thousands to set up.
@@sonicmeerkat you can get a 220 farm up by like round 6, so that's 6-80, or 74 rounds. 74x208=15,392. Taking out the farm cost, that means it made... 11,942 dollars. So not quite 30k, but pretty damn close.
I hate the new boss events, not only because i think its too much annoying to think how to do it, instead of placing 5 defensive towers to win. But the thing that i hate is, how tf they want to new players get interested in bosses ? Theres should be normal bosses to the new players start to knowing how to fight a boss for themselves.
@@GrandpaEarth bruh everyone who does boss chalenges only want to fight a boss in a hard map, or trys to train his Ranked abilities, basically, not startes thing.
@@GrandpaEarth what if i want to try boss challenges and also get money for them? i cant because the next fucking boss will probably be vortex 500 percent speed on ouch
i hate that these farm changes just force Geraldo even harder now that hero has so much going for him besides farming he should NEVER be a better farming option than benjamin because thats literally 95% of ben as a hero.
If boat farming went back up to 15 per merchantman squared, but only up to a limit of 16, that would max out at +3840 for merchantmen or (at 30 per favoured trades squared) to +7640 in total. Yet another slight nerf to the maximum payoff, but a solid revert buff throughout most of the setup
The ultimate farming in my opinion has and will always be 104 alch -> 014 eng. If those are your two guys getting the work done and you can use xx4 boomers / glue / ice then its gravy. Maybe that is a little bit too restrictive to play style?
IMF loan is my favorite tower (because it reflect the world economy right now lol) But farming should be more flexible rather than stuck in one strategy. Also they buff geraldo fertilizer so farming is still mostly the same for geraldo players
Its mostly minor tweaks, which presumably, they will balance around the difficulty of the content. I'm not the most hardcore player, but I haven't really noticed farming feeling much different.
how do you imf farm? i am down to learn the micro but there are no guides/tutorials or even any general description of what needs to be done. if someone knows, let me know
the removed the ability to put camo potions on tier 4 monkey cities a while ago in order to nerf the insane monkeyopolisis people were creating. look at the update logs
Classic NK just deciding for multiple updates in a row to target a specific tower or category of towers and nerfing them. Looking at you, Tack-Zone. Meanwhile they buff towers that are already meta, like bouncing bullet. (Hey, I don't mind it though lol)
Ninja Kiwi : "geraldo is too strong so we are going to nerf him" - the "nerf" - gerry fire has to be bought more often, shooty turret losing one pierce, and some pickle changes (most strategies never use picke to begin with) Also Ninja Kiwi : "Let's nerf farming! And make Gerlado better at boosting farming" I will also disagree with More things equals more gooder thing. More things CAN mean more, but it can also mean less. Especially demosntrated by Geraldo who by existing is making the game less fun, because he does too many things, and makes other hero choices invalid due to not being able to compete. Pokemon is also a good example - do you have more choice when it's 1000 pokemon or 400 pokemon? The answer is 400. Because when there is less pokemon, more pokemon can be used without handicapping yourself. If you have 1000 pokemon like Regieleki exist - in a game where Regieleki can be used, all fast and frail pokemon can't be used - because regi eleki is faster, and able to kill them in one hit. So adding MORE pokemon gives the player LESS options. Seriosuly at this point I'd be happier if they removed Geraldo from the game, and it greatly upsets me that NK doesn't understand Geraldo to the point they say in the patch notes they are nerfing him, when the actual changes buff him.
Merchantmen were solely buffed as $100 went from base cost to the merchant men. As long as t3 or less, backloaded costs are always a buff since now can use boat for defense quicker even though xx3 is same total price. Bloon trap is a debatable change as the back loaded cost can't be discounted but honestly, i never found many people spamming them under discount anyway. However I think being able to get the earlier discount on engineer and double guns will let me set aside that money for more farms so ends up being better for farming. Ben and Geraldo were so broken they've been banned from more boss events than legit heroes as they trivialize any strategy the game could have. But yeah they were nerfed. Village was a nerf but given boss events did fine before they added the bonus base in update 37, I'd say needed. I'd say I'm most confused on the Wall Street nerf. I feel as though it was the least critical of the farm paths for any events. But normally I dont think it was part of the general snowball farming?
That change to the camo potion happened a whiiiiile ago, but honestly which these big hit that everything just took, I don’t think it would be so bad if it was given back considering how much harder it is to snowball nowadays
personally im in the area that im trying to get in to the competetive bossing and i think farming should be a simple thing that has a set of easy enough to follow steps and the focus should be on the deffence it self as opposed to how hard you farm i think it would be more fun if they put the boss events on harder maps with gimicks like overhange i think its called (the one with the glass that blocks you from clicking monkeys) that would make it a more intersting boss rather then just who can opitmise the current best farming strat with the restrictions of the week
True I almost never complain about nerfs since, in my eyes, most of them are not all that significant Almost all of the significant ones are from bug fixes, mainly Unstable Concoction and Megs
I understand why they nerf a lot of the easy farm options (boat farming, early game Ben) but I've always felt like those towers should have something else to make up for the nerfs to the income generation. Perhaps Ben could benefit from an upgrade to his already barely-used lvl3 ability, which would also increase the early game "farming skill ceiling" since Ben's lvl3 can be used to under-defend and spend more money on farms. (Ben's abilities in general get absolutely no love from the community...)
Merchantman farmers like me are living large as now Geraldo can be used to combo with bottom path farms even better. The price shift while makes mechantman cost more, boat itself costs less so it evens out.
I think I love this change on Ben on the casual perspective, as people tend to overuse farming and build defense inefficiently. Imo, this could have been done better by nerfing the early-mid game farming (especially 2xx Farm, x4x Sniper, xx4 Engin) while buffing late game farms, in order to spread the boss difficulty more evenly for pros while guide casual players into experimenting and be much less reliant on farms. But on the other hand, this would make it much harder for casual players to defeat bosses.
Now there’s no gap between skilled farming and marketplace spam, after the last balance changes gap was only 10k difference (15k in the most ideal situation), now you will be losing money, because of a more advanced strategy🤐 Marketplace spam was already enough to beat the most wild elite bosses, what’s the point nerfing it?
Marketplace got buffed update ago with same swap as bloon trap giving 200 dollars more to cut from Village. Idk whether trap change will be visible at all. Miniopolis got nerfed and im cool with that totally. I was already really bored of how good this Tower was. It provided more income from nearby farms, more cash from popping Towers inside range (especially more from trap). Im still thinking this Tower is strong, maybe not necesarily as a miniopolis, but space efficiently its much better later on. Miniopolis meta was just boring, every boss run without this upgrade banned was repeatable and i was kinda sick of it. Imf loan farmings main issue is calculating first ability. I hate any thinking about farming, main pro of this Tower should be brainless investing towards saving money and this Tower absolutely doesnt do that. Merchantman farming again i do claim thats a good change. However i also claim that favoured trade should also be more expensive as well. Its top5 most used upgrade in bosses due to cashback ability. Its not like its usability is limited here, its pointless upgrade for chimps, its difficult to use for apopalypse but everywhere else its still a really solid Tower. Im fine with nerfing farming, its sickening that bosses need to be buffed to give players any challenge with all towers unlocked. I love those changes overall. But also i do wish they have nerfed xx3 alch. In reality this Tower grants insane eco boost especially on dreadbloon. I also a little wished for bottom path glue a little nerf since it really affects farming too.
I don't understand why they touched farming. I feel like it was already very balanced, especially for bosses. NK did a very good job at creating difficult bosses that require more effort put into farming than a player usually would. Changing them up every week (a hard one, then an easier one) really makes it that much more enjoyable. Now I feel like even the easier bosses will become harder for beginners or intermediate players to beat. I wouldn't be surprised if NK forgot the fact that increasing the prices or decreasing the effectiveness of a farm will snowball into the late game and cause you to make way less money than you previously would.
Having to give modifiers just to make the bosses difficult, kinda suggest that the base version is too easy. Farming were overpowered, they did not nerf it for no reason
@@ksgfusoahays-inanutshell9517 Sure, the base versions are easy, but isn't that exactly what modifiers are for? They can make the bosses as hard as they want. I mean I completely agree that this update changes very little if they now also turn down the modifiers to compensate for the nerfs, but I don't think they're going to do that. It's clear to me that they wanted farming to require more effort, but some of the hardest bosses could now be almost impossible to beat for casual players.
The monkey wall street It doesn't even give a higher amount of money, it passively earns 4k per round, and Nk increased its price for what? More collection range and more lives per round, like this was only buffed to "justify" the nerf, not to at least increase its performance, and monkeyopolis, sadly base cash amount produced 1250 per box, it wasn't even that high, now 1000 per box? Are they trying to make the base value useless?
Rushing 1 farm monkeyopolis meta has always been boring and I never cared about fertilizer so I’m happy with most of these changes, neutral on the rest, like idrc about bloon trap being $100 more expensive or Benjamin getting skimming slightly later in the game. I did see a comment about round stalling though and I agree they should put a wrench in that sooner than later, lowkey feel like all income abilities should just be disabled 30-60 seconds or so after the last bloon of any given round is sent
Optimising the earliest round you can get your monkeyopolis is like the most fun part about the farming, everything else is just repetitive thoughtless spam
@@theshatteredseas There is also optimizing the earliest Banana Central but NK had the bright idea to nerf that as well. It is still the strongest strat but the gap is closer
im a primary only sweat and i want a primary only based buff to geraldo maybe even the cape being able to work on dart monkey, hell id pay a good 20% to the price for it
I think that the biggest issue is that btd players aren't used to nerfs, just buffing and making the game easier. Chimps on expert maps used to mean something when you had to fight for it, now it is almost same level as chimps on begginer maps used to be. When do you need farming anyways? Only for bosses and even they can be beaten with weaker farming, for non elite bosses you don't even need a single farm or money boat anymore.
Benjamin is unironically dead IMO. The reason you use him in multiplayer is for the skimming so you actually have money. Now it's just not worth using him
The problem is that the payout is also cut by the same percentage. At any given point, the sell price will be 1/14th lower than it would otherwise have been and when it can easily sell for 100k+, that's thousands of dollars.
@@Tyrian3k It's hoenstly unlikely to matter. Sure it will make it snowball slower. But the thing is - 1) Most players don't wait for the nft to max out the price, nft is usually sold after a dozen or two rounds, at which point the lesser scaling will be barely noticeable. and 2) if you are going for the ridiculous sell prices, the way interest works is that, actually your initial investment is a lot less important than the amount of time saved. When we are talking about extremely long save up times for gigantic gains the amount of starting cash is less important (of course to a certain degree, of course you can't put in 1 dollar and expect it to turn into millions in a reasonable amount of time, but the initial investment means less than it sounds) So let's assume that we have 5% interested yearly, and our goal is to get 1M dollars. If you put in 20k it will take us 81 years to reach 1M. if you put in 40k it will still take 66 years to reach 1 M dollars. So despite the fact that our initial investment was doubled, we only saved 15 interests, it's noticeable - sure. But it's probably a lot less than you expected. If you wanted to halve the time to reach 1M dollars (so to 40 years) - your initial investment would need to be 150k - so we need 7,5 times more money, to get 2 times faster growth. So in the case of NFT making it 50 monkey dollars cheaper is likely not going to matter because 1) most player sell it to early for the difference to matter. 2) If the player is going for the max sell value of the NFT the amount of rounds needed to get there is probably less than 2 rounds difference if not exactly the same EDIT : Actually found the actual interest formula on the action figure. There's 4 rounds of difference between reaching the max sell price between old and new price. However! I have learned that the interest changes across the game, so the first 30 rounds you get 10% interest, then until round 80 you get 5% and 2% for everything after. Which means that while if you do get the action figure at level 1 the new figure will give you 1k less by round 30 (12k vs 11k) and 10k less by round 80 (140k vs 130k) - because the interest of lower rounds being so much better than later rounds, if this change will allow you to buy the figure one round early (emphasis on if) you will actually benefit 1 more round from 10% interest -> making the difference smaller than math above would suggest (and I don't even think the difference of 1 to 10k mattered in the first place)
That’s a major skill issue watch a guide for bosses not a guide for like “how to beat bloonarius on cubism” no like what to know about bosses/tips & tricks
unless you really wanna get ranked top 1% (either normal or elite) how is this nerf THAT game changing? all you need for most bosses generally are like 2 degree 20 paragons or something which aren’t too hard to farm for at all unless you wanna low tier it in which case stall strats arent that hard, im not a very good microer but i was able to follow an elite ranked guide last boss and got a decent placement (64th at the time of win but i havent checked since, may have gone down)
Some random upgrades have gotten 0.001576443% more expensive which only affects top 5 sweatiest tryhards in the game and you act like it changes anything for you
To be honest, its not that big of a deal. People will always get upset at nerfs because buffs are fun, but nerfs are what make the game more interesting. Like everyone initially lost their minds at the x4x wizard buff but then after 1 week I barely heard anyone talk about it. This update buffed so many towers and made so many price buffs that I feel like it offsets the farming nerfs. Things are overall cheaper, so nerfing farming makes sense from a design aspect
True, nerfs are often received as the end of the world but it gets better fast. Also nerfs does open up new challenges sometimes where something may have been easy before but is now super hard. So i think nerfs can be fun too, its just harder to find those challenges
@ksgfusoahays-inanutshell9517 that's the opposite of what they did. They nerfed things. I'm saying stop nerfing things all together just because they are used alot. and just buff lesser used skills so they are used more.
They did not nerf everything, they nerf the strongest strats while buffing weaker ones. The game has been in a power creep for years now. You're getting pissed for no reason
@@ksgfusoahays-inanutshell9517 hello my friend. I have been playing the game for several years. I know what powercreep is. what you fail to understand is that powercreep is a normal part of game development and keeps content fresh and new. what you also don't understand is that this powercreep is not really a thing in farming, a genre which has more or less been hit with constant nerfs for the past few years, removing various powerful towers and increasing the difficulty of farming, forcing players into using more micro and stall intensive strategies, such as heli farming.d in particular, this is a problem as NK has shown a particular interest in making insane boss events, such as the recent 400% speed vortex. you say that they are buffing the weaker strategies, but I just read through the patch notes and see exactly zero buffs to farming towers. So I ask you, where are the buffs that you speak of? What we are seeing now are not nerfs meant to roll back powercreep, but a fundamental dismantling of the core of farming's strength while NK also insists on pushing out difficult boss content, where farming is by far the most important. And no, this content is not unbalanced towards being too easy in it's current state. current unranked elite boss content is inaccessible to the vast majority of players from difficulty alone, let alone ranked runs. d If nk hit every top tier tower in the game with a 20% nerf and simultaneously increased the speed of all bloons by 20% would you be pissed? So why exactly is my anger unjustified?
Yup same. And for competitive everyone has the same so doesn't matter, plus elite bosses are very rarely going to go either way whether you complete/don't complete with these small changes
Some corrections:
- Bloon trap mostly got the $100 shifted form lower tiers (Still slightly more expensive if inside discount since t4 gets no discount)
- Forgot to mention merchantman price increase $2300 to $2400
Merchantman price increase is also basically negligible because that $100 was removed from the cost of the base buccaneer
@@Marshall.RTrue in honesty these changes won't even affect me I never use bottom path b farm unless I'm reselling
@@Marshall.R I think merchantmen ends up tiny bit better if you buy with discount because bigger number = bigger discount
@@ppbonan9596discount affects the base tower too so as long as price isn’t shifted with tier 4 or 5 the discount is unchanged.
How could you forget the merchantman price shift?
I thought this game was for all ages, fucking ben up that hard is not family friendly
Idk if it's really all ages, like it's fucking intense
it’s not that intense, but i get it
It is still an S tier tower for bosses, and is only outshined by Geraldo.
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I think if NK wanted to nerf the top 5, they should target perma-stall strats. This weeks boss was all people stalling over 2 hours. Nerfing the easy farming options isn't good. I think micro based farming should be better than passive farming, but it already is. The gap doesn't need to be increased. The more you increase the gap, the more newer players are going to get discouraged from trying their best.
I disagree on the second part, I think there should be a significant gap between high micro and low micro strats to reward players who have better skill/planning.
If there is no gap then players won't try harder because why would anyone put more effort to get the same result.
But I agree on the first part about stall strats, though that's more an artifact of Least Cash and Least Tiers being poor game design
Not just that, there's also the cheaters(I mean the slow motion ones)
I mean they doubled bloon crush's damage from 12 to 24, so stalls using it will be less effective
@@blackeyefly No, I agree with you. I do think micro strats should be stronger, I do not think passive strats should be weaker. I want them to buff micro.
A lot of times I skip the boss because farming gets tiring, can't imagine how much worse it can be
Negligible unless you're trying to get a very high rank
Imagine in future updates:
From the 120 rounds, you spent 100 farming.
There is no point doing bosses after the 1st time bcs its tiring.
Hardcore level farming is really only necessary when aiming for high ranks or against extreme modifiers. Otherwhise, you can easily get away with marketplace into BRF into megaopolis, which requires very little management. They did not nerf all of farming, only the overpowered ones.
@@kevin-7091 This ^
I mainly use bottom path since I can just sell my farms to get most of my money back
Sometimes middle path when I have Ben as I can deposit some of my money into the IMFs to let it snowball and after collecting it and activating the ability for even more cash, then the cycle continues until I have a buttload and I sell them for stronger defenses
It's funny that NK talks about there being a huge disconnect between most players and normal and elite bosses. "Yeah, let's just make it even harder!"
It's also funny that the community always talk about power creep while never stop complaining whenever some of the strongest strats get nerfed
Thing is, bosses are set harder to match the high ceiling strats that top players set. Lowering that gap allows events to be made that have lower requirements to beat
@@kevin-7091the strongest farming strats are perma stalls they just nerfed all the casual strats
@@just.someguy5145Perma stall is an entirely different problem, as it leans closer towards exploits than a strat. They definitely'd address it in the future, as they have with every other exploits.
The classic casual strat for farming has always been Marketplaces, into BRF, into Megaopolis and Banana Central, all of which are basically untouched (except for a slightly less income for megaopolis).
There is no need to exaggerate and say they nerf everything, while it is very simply not true
I'm just gonna list here all the balance changes i care about for towers i use:
*HEROES*
-Ben now unlocks cyber security at Lv4, and skimming at Lv6, nerfing his early game income even more. Definetly the one balance change i hate most about this update.
-Geraldo fertiliser now applies to all farms, restocks faster, and has higher max stock. Also his gerry fires last 5 rounds, and increase to 10 rounds after Lv16
-Obyn now grants camo detection to druids in range on Lv8
*BOSSES*
-Elite phayze 5% slower when the shield is up on every tier
-Normal Dreadbloon rock bloons now have almost double health
*TOWERS*
-Glue splatter price decreased alot
-Glue storm now has much less uptime and slowdown
-Base Boomer cost decrease (325 to 315)
-Monkeyopolis got nerfed again, making an extra 1000 instead of 1250
-Ninja base cost decrease to 400 allows a ninja dart start on chimps
-Jungle's bounty and spirit no longer passively generate lives (generated using money ability) , allowing for synergy with heart of vengeance. Speaking of heart of vengeance, the max speed buff got halved from 100% to 50%
-Bloon crush deals double damage effectively making stalling during ranked bosses much harder
-Bomb Blitz damage buff from 3 to 5
-Relentless glue price increased by 400 (they nerfed my beloved)
-Base Boat is 100 cheaper
-Low tier sniper shrapnel now does better damage and cripple moab shrapnel has increased pierce
-Ace Paragon has more homing attacks and less radial attacks, making it less micro heavy
-Monkey Wall Street price increased by 10k
-Base engi and double gun are cheaper which helps for early game, but price is compensated in bloon trap by being a little more expensive
-Quincy's triple shot now lasts much longer, and gets more duration at Lv13, but no longer gains 0.5s every level
Thanks
I like how you put Quincy with the normal monkeys instead of in the Heros section lol
That’s like a nerf for quincy?
@@neon_twister_nah its slightly a buff
Ah hell naw double health roch balloons!?!?
As a x-bossweat I remmeber there was one week that the minimal time was possible and needed imf farming cause u needed enough for vtsg and more and I decided then and there imma learn imf farming. First time I ever got first place and I didn't even do it to perfection just no1 else did it I was legit the only player who invested the time into it. It was absolute hell and I swore to never do it again but I have a first place badge and no1 can take that form me
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To "compensate" nerfs nk "added" a bug where some farm ticks give double money so it's a good update overall
They don't need to compensate for a nerf to some of the strongest farming options
@@kevin-7091 farms are weaker than other farming methods...
Also add to the nerf to boat farming, merchantman price got increased from 2300 to 2400
This also! :o
No because 000 boat was reduced by 100. The overall cost is the same
Edit: actually it might be nerfed by a tiny amount due to mk but it's basically negligible
Not really.
The Monkey Buccaneer had its base price reduced by 100 and the 100 was redistributed to the higher tiers.
Bloon trap is same price overall since base engineer and double gun both got reduced by 50 each
It costs a little more under a discount village, but it isn't a big increase
Oh yeah that's true, didn't think about that. And yeah as endguiap pointed out, i guess it is a little bit more expensive under a discount village still but not by much
Ninja Kiwi mentioned they weren’t happy about how tough the elite bosses were in terms of raw health, and they would rather nerf both farming strategies and elite boss health instead of letting the best income strategies outscale ridiculous amounts of boss HP.
Given that every single paragon above 60, TSG overclocks and brittle plus cross path and infinite T5 mods it still took me 6 tries to beat the last epic boss, the difficulty was fucked. If I need to use strategy WHILE CHEATING and still lose, the boss is probably too hard. I’m not THAT bad at the same (Black Boreder on everything Intermedite or lower and a few hard black borders).
Well, they failed that then cause other strats were better than farm and boat farming already.
Bosses will be much harder, especially with the new extreme modifiers
Well, they don't have to have extreme modifiers. With some of the most common farming methods nerfed, we may expect NK to do less extreme modifiers
Imagine: you can no longer farm in bosses bcs of how impossible farming became.
Now bosses are no longer added bcs of how farming was destroyed and how long it takes to get a good defense without the old farming
You don’t need these farming methods to beat elite bosses. I basically never get Monkeyopolis or Geraldo and most bosses ban Ben anyways. The only place this effects would likely be ranked where you need heaps of money
I tried to understand farming but it felt so stupid I just gave up. Yes i play casually so I never actually do the elite bosses because any time I try to learn farming, it gets changed enough to be awful or im using some outdated strat that actually screws me over more than I realize.
At this point I just black border maps then hop off :/
It's really important that any buffs and nerfs made to farming serve to make farming fun for as many types of players as possible, and if top tier players have to resort to IMF strats because it's the most efficient, competitive bossing is going to suck:(
honestly i do think the farming methods were a bit strong, like the opolis had no reason not to be brought especially if you're using village buffs already and bens farming was already stronger than a banana farm when he's cheaper than them (all i'm saying is if opolis being a one time purchase doesn't excuse its power then same should apply to heroes)
big problem is all these nerfs being introduced at the same timecause stated in the video, farming isn't the same as a damage tower. boat farms get buffed by bottom path farms and villages, the latter also affects top and middlepath farms and certain towers like middle path druids income is affected by the amount of farms there are.
it's all interconnected, no farming strat uses only one tower so the nerfs should be rolled out one at a time to see their affect on the game, if the strategy remains while reducing the snowball? great! if the change kills the tower? revert it. by batching them all together its way harder to find the actual problem tower.
like i don't think delaying bens skimming will kill the hero, in bosses he starts at level 3 so he gotten skimming immediately, but at the same time it does complicate deciding if the opolis nerf is what destroys casual farming.
Ninja Kiwi needs to see this
small update, played with ben and yeah he can full on buy teir 5 towers from his 1K starting price making 30K by round 80 on easy maps, and with hero xp scaling that income could easily double on expert impoppable.
i already dislike how over centralising heroes are in this game to a point you're choosing between them verses if they're worth using, but now every gamemode except chimps ben is a no brainer, unless you're using sauda but that's fairly map dependant.
@@sonicmeerkat 30k by round 80 is nothing. I'm pretty sure a 220 farm could do that.
@@vyor8837 no it really can't, first a 220 costs about 3K not 1K plus it only makes about 200 a round when ben also has skimming on top of his production which now snowballs.
the reason why i say it could double is because at that point of the game he's making 1K a round making back his investment every round, something only matched by a max buffed boat farm set up which needs tens of thousands to set up.
@@sonicmeerkat you can get a 220 farm up by like round 6, so that's 6-80, or 74 rounds. 74x208=15,392. Taking out the farm cost, that means it made... 11,942 dollars.
So not quite 30k, but pretty damn close.
I hate the new boss events, not only because i think its too much annoying to think how to do it, instead of placing 5 defensive towers to win.
But the thing that i hate is, how tf they want to new players get interested in bosses ? Theres should be normal bosses to the new players start to knowing how to fight a boss for themselves.
Boss challenge exists buddy.
@@GrandpaEarth bruh everyone who does boss chalenges only want to fight a boss in a hard map, or trys to train his Ranked abilities, basically, not startes thing.
@@GrandpaEarth what if i want to try boss challenges and also get money for them? i cant because the next fucking boss will probably be vortex 500 percent speed on ouch
i hate that these farm changes just force Geraldo even harder now that hero has so much going for him besides farming he should NEVER be a better farming option than benjamin because thats literally 95% of ben as a hero.
If boat farming went back up to 15 per merchantman squared, but only up to a limit of 16, that would max out at +3840 for merchantmen or (at 30 per favoured trades squared) to +7640 in total. Yet another slight nerf to the maximum payoff, but a solid revert buff throughout most of the setup
yo nice upload schedule
lol thanks
@MackanRules your upload schedule is pretty bad for lucifers sanctum
This may impact casuals as much cause it makes it harder on them to win to begin with basically
The ultimate farming in my opinion has and will always be 104 alch -> 014 eng. If those are your two guys getting the work done and you can use xx4 boomers / glue / ice then its gravy. Maybe that is a little bit too restrictive to play style?
IMF loan is my favorite tower (because it reflect the world economy right now lol) But farming should be more flexible rather than stuck in one strategy.
Also they buff geraldo fertilizer so farming is still mostly the same for geraldo players
Its mostly minor tweaks, which presumably, they will balance around the difficulty of the content.
I'm not the most hardcore player, but I haven't really noticed farming feeling much different.
how do you imf farm? i am down to learn the micro but there are no guides/tutorials or even any general description of what needs to be done. if someone knows, let me know
5:00 man you are *PUMPING* out content the past few days after none for a long time.
Haha yeah true!
the removed the ability to put camo potions on tier 4 monkey cities a while ago in order to nerf the insane monkeyopolisis people were creating. look at the update logs
Ben turned into Ben Dover real quick
Classic NK just deciding for multiple updates in a row to target a specific tower or category of towers and nerfing them. Looking at you, Tack-Zone. Meanwhile they buff towers that are already meta, like bouncing bullet. (Hey, I don't mind it though lol)
At least they shouldn't give us hard bosd weeks
Like if we get another hard vortex it woukd be straight up imposible for most ppl
Ben 10 became Ben 0
NK: nerfs monkeyopolis, ben and 1 tier 5 farm
Mackan: They literally killed farming guys its over
Tbf title is just click bait
Ninja Kiwi : "geraldo is too strong so we are going to nerf him" - the "nerf" - gerry fire has to be bought more often, shooty turret losing one pierce, and some pickle changes (most strategies never use picke to begin with)
Also Ninja Kiwi : "Let's nerf farming! And make Gerlado better at boosting farming"
I will also disagree with More things equals more gooder thing. More things CAN mean more, but it can also mean less. Especially demosntrated by Geraldo who by existing is making the game less fun, because he does too many things, and makes other hero choices invalid due to not being able to compete. Pokemon is also a good example - do you have more choice when it's 1000 pokemon or 400 pokemon? The answer is 400. Because when there is less pokemon, more pokemon can be used without handicapping yourself. If you have 1000 pokemon like Regieleki exist - in a game where Regieleki can be used, all fast and frail pokemon can't be used - because regi eleki is faster, and able to kill them in one hit. So adding MORE pokemon gives the player LESS options. Seriosuly at this point I'd be happier if they removed Geraldo from the game, and it greatly upsets me that NK doesn't understand Geraldo to the point they say in the patch notes they are nerfing him, when the actual changes buff him.
I think the geraldo action figure is a good change tho, cuz you can actually afford to place it down faster
70 k on wall street ? Just doenst make sense. Yeah Its good but not that all. If it was 65k would make more sense
Merchantmen were solely buffed as $100 went from base cost to the merchant men. As long as t3 or less, backloaded costs are always a buff since now can use boat for defense quicker even though xx3 is same total price. Bloon trap is a debatable change as the back loaded cost can't be discounted but honestly, i never found many people spamming them under discount anyway. However I think being able to get the earlier discount on engineer and double guns will let me set aside that money for more farms so ends up being better for farming.
Ben and Geraldo were so broken they've been banned from more boss events than legit heroes as they trivialize any strategy the game could have. But yeah they were nerfed.
Village was a nerf but given boss events did fine before they added the bonus base in update 37, I'd say needed.
I'd say I'm most confused on the Wall Street nerf. I feel as though it was the least critical of the farm paths for any events. But normally I dont think it was part of the general snowball farming?
Imagine the last vortex with this update
That change to the camo potion happened a whiiiiile ago, but honestly which these big hit that everything just took, I don’t think it would be so bad if it was given back considering how much harder it is to snowball nowadays
personally im in the area that im trying to get in to the competetive bossing and i think farming should be a simple thing that has a set of easy enough to follow steps and the focus should be on the deffence it self as opposed to how hard you farm
i think it would be more fun if they put the boss events on harder maps with gimicks like overhange i think its called (the one with the glass that blocks you from clicking monkeys)
that would make it a more intersting boss rather then just who can opitmise the current best farming strat with the restrictions of the week
Gotta love how this community seems to always complain about power creep, but also complain whenever some of the strongest tower gets nerfed.
True
I almost never complain about nerfs since, in my eyes, most of them are not all that significant
Almost all of the significant ones are from bug fixes, mainly Unstable Concoction and Megs
I understand why they nerf a lot of the easy farm options (boat farming, early game Ben) but I've always felt like those towers should have something else to make up for the nerfs to the income generation. Perhaps Ben could benefit from an upgrade to his already barely-used lvl3 ability, which would also increase the early game "farming skill ceiling" since Ben's lvl3 can be used to under-defend and spend more money on farms. (Ben's abilities in general get absolutely no love from the community...)
I think the best way to farm is to start with Ben and a top path bank. Then get some 0-2-3 farms.
These changes make sense though if u think about it
Ive seen people get ray of doom on round 40, i really dont think that should ever be possible
Camo potion only gives towers that attacks (yes, opolis attacks by producing crates)
Merchantman farmers like me are living large as now Geraldo can be used to combo with bottom path farms even better. The price shift while makes mechantman cost more, boat itself costs less so it evens out.
And boat being cheaper is awesome since round 40 is a joke with destroyer
I think I love this change on Ben on the casual perspective, as people tend to overuse farming and build defense inefficiently. Imo, this could have been done better by nerfing the early-mid game farming (especially 2xx Farm, x4x Sniper, xx4 Engin) while buffing late game farms, in order to spread the boss difficulty more evenly for pros while guide casual players into experimenting and be much less reliant on farms.
But on the other hand, this would make it much harder for casual players to defeat bosses.
"i think we know how this is gonna affect the top boss players, theyre all going to be hanging from a tree somewhere"
Just use double cash, that makes farming much easier
aaahhh
Good honestly i was sick of the power creep thats happened in farming
Now there’s no gap between skilled farming and marketplace spam, after the last balance changes gap was only 10k difference (15k in the most ideal situation), now you will be losing money, because of a more advanced strategy🤐
Marketplace spam was already enough to beat the most wild elite bosses, what’s the point nerfing it?
"Less awesomer less played" well given up now
would the action figure technically be a buff if you can get it 1 round earlier than before the price reduction?
I don't think the bloon trap was nerfed, wasn't that just shifting $100 from the base cost to the t4 upgrade?
True that was my bad!
im pretty sure 95% of the changes to geraldo in the past 3 updates were ALL nerfs
Justifiably so
6:36 Mackan being a savage!
Yeah, he fr made a severe and continuous lapse in his judgement
That was pretty damn savage lol
Marketplace got buffed update ago with same swap as bloon trap giving 200 dollars more to cut from Village. Idk whether trap change will be visible at all.
Miniopolis got nerfed and im cool with that totally. I was already really bored of how good this Tower was. It provided more income from nearby farms, more cash from popping Towers inside range (especially more from trap). Im still thinking this Tower is strong, maybe not necesarily as a miniopolis, but space efficiently its much better later on. Miniopolis meta was just boring, every boss run without this upgrade banned was repeatable and i was kinda sick of it.
Imf loan farmings main issue is calculating first ability. I hate any thinking about farming, main pro of this Tower should be brainless investing towards saving money and this Tower absolutely doesnt do that.
Merchantman farming again i do claim thats a good change. However i also claim that favoured trade should also be more expensive as well. Its top5 most used upgrade in bosses due to cashback ability. Its not like its usability is limited here, its pointless upgrade for chimps, its difficult to use for apopalypse but everywhere else its still a really solid Tower. Im fine with nerfing farming, its sickening that bosses need to be buffed to give players any challenge with all towers unlocked.
I love those changes overall. But also i do wish they have nerfed xx3 alch. In reality this Tower grants insane eco boost especially on dreadbloon.
I also a little wished for bottom path glue a little nerf since it really affects farming too.
THEY COMPLETELY NUKED 1 FARM OPOLIS
WHAT DO I DO NOW??????
IM SCREWED
Ikea tower got nerfed
Womp Womp vikings
don't leave that bloom trap nerf out of context! the double gun is 50 cheaper, so in reality it's more like a 50 dollar increase, which isn't too bad
See the pinned comment! :) Also base engi $50 cheaper too
Im not so deep within the hardcore BTD6 fans, but i agree with not nerfing farms. On another note, i really like the new Hero
I think they should either make IMF farming easier and/or nerf it if ranked is the problem
im more happy of early chimps better plays than this whole farming
As a casual 116 level player this wont affect me ,but the fertilizer is cool because i love challenges.
And 2 weeks later they accidentally buffed it “slightly” and make an infinite money glitch
I don't understand why they touched farming. I feel like it was already very balanced, especially for bosses. NK did a very good job at creating difficult bosses that require more effort put into farming than a player usually would. Changing them up every week (a hard one, then an easier one) really makes it that much more enjoyable. Now I feel like even the easier bosses will become harder for beginners or intermediate players to beat. I wouldn't be surprised if NK forgot the fact that increasing the prices or decreasing the effectiveness of a farm will snowball into the late game and cause you to make way less money than you previously would.
Having to give modifiers just to make the bosses difficult, kinda suggest that the base version is too easy. Farming were overpowered, they did not nerf it for no reason
@@ksgfusoahays-inanutshell9517 Sure, the base versions are easy, but isn't that exactly what modifiers are for? They can make the bosses as hard as they want. I mean I completely agree that this update changes very little if they now also turn down the modifiers to compensate for the nerfs, but I don't think they're going to do that. It's clear to me that they wanted farming to require more effort, but some of the hardest bosses could now be almost impossible to beat for casual players.
I'd bring back the paragon limit in exchange rolling back a few updates worth of farming changes.
This is what happens when you don't give bananas to a advanced monkey, advanced monkey becomes sad :((
The monkey wall street It doesn't even give a higher amount of money, it passively earns 4k per round, and Nk increased its price for what? More collection range and more lives per round, like this was only buffed to "justify" the nerf, not to at least increase its performance, and monkeyopolis, sadly base cash amount produced 1250 per box, it wasn't even that high, now 1000 per box? Are they trying to make the base value useless?
You sound so much more depressed in this video, the farming nerf really hit hard huh?
Hahah 😅 Im really tired, i kinda like mixing it up with the speed and mood of the videos though! 😁
Good timing for me getting bored of every part of this game that isnt chimps
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Rushing 1 farm monkeyopolis meta has always been boring and I never cared about fertilizer so I’m happy with most of these changes, neutral on the rest, like idrc about bloon trap being $100 more expensive or Benjamin getting skimming slightly later in the game. I did see a comment about round stalling though and I agree they should put a wrench in that sooner than later, lowkey feel like all income abilities should just be disabled 30-60 seconds or so after the last bloon of any given round is sent
What is a meta that would be less boring to you than rushing monkeyopolis?
yeah im curious if thats boring whats a meta that you would prefer instead
Optimising the earliest round you can get your monkeyopolis is like the most fun part about the farming, everything else is just repetitive thoughtless spam
@@theshatteredseas There is also optimizing the earliest Banana Central but NK had the bright idea to nerf that as well. It is still the strongest strat but the gap is closer
@@blackeyefly yeah, early BRF is also one of the fun parts
im a primary only sweat and i want a primary only based buff to geraldo maybe even the cape being able to work on dart monkey, hell id pay a good 20% to the price for it
in short words: Farm now need skills
Ninja Kiwi can't nerf your content though
The nerf on ben is way too extreme and for the farming is just obnoxious.
gerolda is still op in my opinion
The farming was already fine tho... If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I think that the biggest issue is that btd players aren't used to nerfs, just buffing and making the game easier. Chimps on expert maps used to mean something when you had to fight for it, now it is almost same level as chimps on begginer maps used to be. When do you need farming anyways? Only for bosses and even they can be beaten with weaker farming, for non elite bosses you don't even need a single farm or money boat anymore.
I don’t mind. I never cared to farm when i played seriously, i don’t care now either.
Unless imf. That’s a funny tower i like it.
I still miss when merchant men made serious cash, nk really wants to nerf every interesting farming strat until all we have left is monkey banks
Benjamin is unironically dead IMO. The reason you use him in multiplayer is for the skimming so you actually have money. Now it's just not worth using him
Nooooo skimming was my favorite thing about ben
I think the 50 dollar price reduction on the nft let’s u get it down a round earlier
The problem is that the payout is also cut by the same percentage. At any given point, the sell price will be 1/14th lower than it would otherwise have been and when it can easily sell for 100k+, that's thousands of dollars.
@@Tyrian3k fair ig it’s definitely a nerf I’m not denying but if u can place it a round earlier it helps a little
@@Tyrian3k It's hoenstly unlikely to matter. Sure it will make it snowball slower. But the thing is - 1) Most players don't wait for the nft to max out the price, nft is usually sold after a dozen or two rounds, at which point the lesser scaling will be barely noticeable. and 2) if you are going for the ridiculous sell prices, the way interest works is that, actually your initial investment is a lot less important than the amount of time saved. When we are talking about extremely long save up times for gigantic gains the amount of starting cash is less important (of course to a certain degree, of course you can't put in 1 dollar and expect it to turn into millions in a reasonable amount of time, but the initial investment means less than it sounds)
So let's assume that we have 5% interested yearly, and our goal is to get 1M dollars. If you put in 20k it will take us 81 years to reach 1M. if you put in 40k it will still take 66 years to reach 1 M dollars. So despite the fact that our initial investment was doubled, we only saved 15 interests, it's noticeable - sure. But it's probably a lot less than you expected. If you wanted to halve the time to reach 1M dollars (so to 40 years) - your initial investment would need to be 150k - so we need 7,5 times more money, to get 2 times faster growth.
So in the case of NFT making it 50 monkey dollars cheaper is likely not going to matter because 1) most player sell it to early for the difference to matter. 2) If the player is going for the max sell value of the NFT the amount of rounds needed to get there is probably less than 2 rounds difference if not exactly the same
EDIT : Actually found the actual interest formula on the action figure. There's 4 rounds of difference between reaching the max sell price between old and new price. However! I have learned that the interest changes across the game, so the first 30 rounds you get 10% interest, then until round 80 you get 5% and 2% for everything after. Which means that while if you do get the action figure at level 1 the new figure will give you 1k less by round 30 (12k vs 11k) and 10k less by round 80 (140k vs 130k) - because the interest of lower rounds being so much better than later rounds, if this change will allow you to buy the figure one round early (emphasis on if) you will actually benefit 1 more round from 10% interest -> making the difference smaller than math above would suggest (and I don't even think the difference of 1 to 10k mattered in the first place)
Ugh, why don’t I even have the new update 43 yet. Where is itttt
bosses are now impossible for me
That’s a major skill issue watch a guide for bosses not a guide for like “how to beat bloonarius on cubism” no like what to know about bosses/tips & tricks
unless you really wanna get ranked top 1% (either normal or elite) how is this nerf THAT game changing? all you need for most bosses generally are like 2 degree 20 paragons or something which aren’t too hard to farm for at all unless you wanna low tier it in which case stall strats arent that hard, im not a very good microer but i was able to follow an elite ranked guide last boss and got a decent placement (64th at the time of win but i havent checked since, may have gone down)
Some random upgrades have gotten 0.001576443% more expensive which only affects top 5 sweatiest tryhards in the game and you act like it changes anything for you
@@krzysztofszczepanik8380 I never said that bosses really don’t change also you’re acting like I’m at the top of every leaderboard so yeah go away
@@christopherhebert6603 he's not talking to you 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
the earlygame farming is EXACTLY what i struggle with on elite bosses, How will i beat elite bosses now? No idea
Where are my Mouse Button Clicks? Why no Clicking sounds?
to not cry my friend said he can place 520 banana farm at round 30 and i place it at 50-51
Nk try to not nerf farming 100% impossible
I hate farming anyways (outside of bosses). Its just so cheap
Im still the guy who put 3 2-2-0 farms and hope for the best every game and dont know anything about farming hahaha
To be honest, its not that big of a deal. People will always get upset at nerfs because buffs are fun, but nerfs are what make the game more interesting. Like everyone initially lost their minds at the x4x wizard buff but then after 1 week I barely heard anyone talk about it. This update buffed so many towers and made so many price buffs that I feel like it offsets the farming nerfs. Things are overall cheaper, so nerfing farming makes sense from a design aspect
True, nerfs are often received as the end of the world but it gets better fast. Also nerfs does open up new challenges sometimes where something may have been easy before but is now super hard. So i think nerfs can be fun too, its just harder to find those challenges
NK just hates fun
If they wanted to nerf things, they should be buffing the lesser used items instead
That is exactly what they did??
@ksgfusoahays-inanutshell9517 that's the opposite of what they did. They nerfed things. I'm saying stop nerfing things all together just because they are used alot. and just buff lesser used skills so they are used more.
@@FirstManDead Giant condor, bloon crush, Sentry Champion, Bomb Blitz, MOAB Domination sitting in the corner.
RIP hard mode freeplay
Exactly. I’m kinda pissed, nk needs to stop nerfing everything for no reason
They did not nerf everything, they nerf the strongest strats while buffing weaker ones. The game has been in a power creep for years now. You're getting pissed for no reason
@@ksgfusoahays-inanutshell9517 hello my friend. I have been playing the game for several years. I know what powercreep is. what you fail to understand is that powercreep is a normal part of game development and keeps content fresh and new.
what you also don't understand is that this powercreep is not really a thing in farming, a genre which has more or less been hit with constant nerfs for the past few years, removing various powerful towers and increasing the difficulty of farming, forcing players into using more micro and stall intensive strategies, such as heli farming.d
in particular, this is a problem as NK has shown a particular interest in making insane boss events, such as the recent 400% speed vortex.
you say that they are buffing the weaker strategies, but I just read through the patch notes and see exactly zero buffs to farming towers. So I ask you, where are the buffs that you speak of?
What we are seeing now are not nerfs meant to roll back powercreep, but a fundamental dismantling of the core of farming's strength while NK also insists on pushing out difficult boss content, where farming is by far the most important.
And no, this content is not unbalanced towards being too easy in it's current state. current unranked elite boss content is inaccessible to the vast majority of players from difficulty alone, let alone ranked runs. d
If nk hit every top tier tower in the game with a 20% nerf and simultaneously increased the speed of all bloons by 20% would you be pissed?
So why exactly is my anger unjustified?
023 FARMS ARE BETTEE THAN 203 PLEASEEEEE
Im no hardcore farmer, so honesly, im neutral to these changes
Yup same. And for competitive everyone has the same so doesn't matter, plus elite bosses are very rarely going to go either way whether you complete/don't complete with these small changes
They need to fix the current format of bosses before nerfing everything and apply a fix to lt/lc its way to fricking repetitive every single week!
am i the only one that see it as basiclly u can buy it easier since i cant really buy it turn one anyway