I messed up the maths! The weight for crankarms + alloy spider + chainrings is *491g* . I've updated the thumbnail. That makes it 189 lighter than Dura Ace, not 200. Black Friday has my brain fried. Will take a good rest to avoid such mistakes.
The chainring from the box looked Shimano compatible with the upper right tab, but all the complete bikes you showed have non shimano spiders, which is it?
this is how you convince audience to buy a product, very well informative, detailing the background of Cybrei gave me a clear picture that this is not just a chinese backyard knock-off products. I'm diving in to buying Cybrei crankarms. Goodbye Shimano...
320+150=470g already, without the spider and bolts and i counted downwards. If we add those it will be closer to the DA. I'm not saying it is bad, but the numbers here rnt correct. I have looked on it, a spider, easton, is around 55-60g+bolts. Easton spider +50/34 easton chainrings are around 230g. So it is more around 510-540 in the end, and thats already very good, but better to tell the correct numbers.
I thought exactly the same: the number don't add up as you will always require a spider and bolts. Realistically, after adding the sider and bolts you will be on the 510-540g for the non-power version, which is still good though since my compact SRAM RED is 560g with chainrings, but still way heavier than a THM, hence the THM premium price. Considering the price for the Cybrei and how much you can currently find SRAM RED cranksets, I am not really interested as I'd rather save the money and go with a more established brand than save those 20g.
Whoops! I dropped the ball on this, I'll make a pinned comment. I was using my sub 6 for 6 build video as a reference, but the chainrings in that one are 20 lighter than the official listed weight. Oops! The correct weight should be 491g according to my math.
Sram red crankarms older version cost around 300$ (weight same 320g) and newer version around 400$ (300g) which pro teams ride, you have warranty and etc etc, and this crank arms cost 419$ on official page and also you need to pay a lot of taxes to Europe. Can you tell me why I should buy this unknown brand without warranty for more money even if its actually good quality item (which still needs to be tested by time)? I mean if this crank arm could cost something like 200$ then yes. Anyway, I think it is too expensive, even if its good quality product.
Joe whats your opinion on the Elilee carbon crankset? I order them b/c they come in a 155mm. Still waiting for them to show up. I would to support panda podium because I know you stand behind all the products. Cybrei needs at least a 160mm. I have 3 more bikes that need carbon cranks
I've not used them, but plenty of people using them here in China! I see they also have a carbon axle version or something. I think also using the same easton interface between crank arms and spider too.
Have you seen the Lexon carbon cranks? Look like they come from the same factory with a slight cosmetic alteration. Have the same small parts and everything. They quote the exact same tests as well. Not that I trust Lexon/Ryet all that much.
I'd not seen them, but I just went and had a look. The "dent" in the crankarm on the lexon is interesting. Also, they don't seem to have 165mm or below, so I'm guessing pretty different, but the weight to price looks amazing.
've not used them, but plenty of people using them here in China! I see they also have a carbon axle version or something. I think also using the same easton interface between crank arms and spider too.
@@ChinaCycling I was talking with service of xcadey but they say all is ok, I sent many videos and photos but not warranty, they say is ok. It's a garbage.
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I always question the strength of most Chinese made components. Does anyone know if these cranks can handle 1200 to 1400 watts of a powerful Sprinter ? Is there a rider weight restriction ? I have always used Specialized S works cranks, SRAM Red or Shimano Dura Ace cranks
Depends which SRAM red crankset you have now. The chainrings on some red cranks are built into the spider / power meter, so you can't take them off to put them on this. Some companies make SRAM AXS chainrings that can fit onto Shimano BCD, which would be an option. But if you already have SRAM Red, you're already very light.
Not sure Dura-Ace is a valid benchmark here, being mostly aluminium and featuring carbon only as part of one chainring. Now, being only 20g heavier than THM - that is impressive, although Clavicula being 5-bolt. But the real competitor is Rotor Aldhu here.
Dura ace cost more and comes with most high end bikes, I'd say it's the perfect benchmark And thm only has a one-sided power meter unless you use power pedals
@@invisiblescout6335it's the powermeter option that costs more. Without it we talk similar 700 Euros. Just like Cybrei or Rotor. But Cybrei doesn't even mention a powermeter anywhere. We can only assume spider-based from Rotor or Quarq will fit. But then, why not getting Rotor as a whole package?
@@feedbackzaloop thm pm version is 2300€ and 1400€ without. Rotor and quark cranks are heavier and rotor isn't the most reliable of pms. You can fit cinch interface on on Cybrei, so p2m, sigeyi, xcadey.
@@invisiblescout6335 sigeyi is 380€, making Cybrei setup almost 1,1k. Same price for Rotor or DA at r2-bike. And this shop is not a discounter by any means. If Cybrei chainrings are less "meh" than Rotor is still an open question. At least from material choice and machining process I see little difference, mostly marketing.
@@invisiblescout6335 tell me you know nothing about tolerances without telling me you know nothing about tolerances. Pressfit cups are aligned either through frame or single-piece sleeve. Threaded two-piece construction adds rigidity, but doesn't help alignment. Threaded cups are aligned by threads, but poorly compared to pressfit. All options being made to according specifications, of course.
@ChinaCycling I have an SLC and would fancy a different climbing bike. Just different but light not aero, what in a rim configuration would you recommend Similar or bit more expensive than SLC no issue
sounds harsh but I kind of agree, there used to be some distance between the products and the videos, but now it feels like a telemarketing channel. I understand the hustle but not gonna lie, the YT content feels worse
Well yea. I mean, the average life of a YT creator is about 5-7 years. At some point, he has to pivot to a different business. Since Joe has contacts with the Chinese brands (especially since he worked at Winspace), it would make sense for him to gradually wind down his China Cycling YT channel, and use it as a promotional tool. I wouldn't be surprised if he merges his channel with the Panda Podium channel. Also, there are creators who do the whole China cycling review thing better than Joe, specifically TraceVelo.
I think its also interesting what the chinese market has to offer, Joe provides a great insight and vouches for the products on panda-podium. I find that in Europe you never hear about products like these
For this sort of money, they need to subject it to third-party testing by someone who can do it properly and cuts it in half to review the construction.
The only person qualified to do that on RUclips is probably Raoul. Most the other people cutting up frames don't really know what they're talking about.
@@ChinaCycling he has few really strong KOMs, now he dont use strava, i think from 2017-2018. Actually he was top criterium rider in Ukraine from 2014 to 2017 +- and we weight around 60-65kg
@$723 for these cranks, I think I'll buy a set of Shimano Ultegra cranks for $250 or even less and put the other $500 in the bank. Seriously, who needs $723 cranks? Pro racers? They have sponsors to buy them stuff like this. Meanwhile the guy who's ten pounds overweight will pay huge money to save 200grams on a bike part. Makes perfect sense. It's not the bike. It was never the bike. It'll never be the bike.
the crankset is 629$ on the site, where are you getting 723$ from? there is also a deal where you can get the crankset, chainrings, and a spider with powermeter for just 699$. however that is true saving 200g is not something an overweight banker should strive for (but will)
@@ElPresidente561 Thanks for pointing that out. But yeah... everyone draws the line in a different place. Plenty of people would buy Tiagra cranks and put $650 in the bank. :)
I messed up the maths! The weight for crankarms + alloy spider + chainrings is *491g* . I've updated the thumbnail. That makes it 189 lighter than Dura Ace, not 200. Black Friday has my brain fried. Will take a good rest to avoid such mistakes.
isn't total weight 514 grams? 320g cranks + 40g spider + 154g chainrings?
The chainring from the box looked Shimano compatible with the upper right tab, but all the complete bikes you showed have non shimano spiders, which is it?
this is how you convince audience to buy a product, very well informative, detailing the background of Cybrei gave me a clear picture that this is not just a chinese backyard knock-off products. I'm diving in to buying Cybrei crankarms. Goodbye Shimano...
Is there an option to buy the Cybrei crankset with 24mm axle?
320+150=470g already, without the spider and bolts and i counted downwards. If we add those it will be closer to the DA. I'm not saying it is bad, but the numbers here rnt correct.
I have looked on it, a spider, easton, is around 55-60g+bolts. Easton spider +50/34 easton chainrings are around 230g. So it is more around 510-540 in the end, and thats already very good, but better to tell the correct numbers.
I thought exactly the same: the number don't add up as you will always require a spider and bolts. Realistically, after adding the sider and bolts you will be on the 510-540g for the non-power version, which is still good though since my compact SRAM RED is 560g with chainrings, but still way heavier than a THM, hence the THM premium price. Considering the price for the Cybrei and how much you can currently find SRAM RED cranksets, I am not really interested as I'd rather save the money and go with a more established brand than save those 20g.
Whoops! I dropped the ball on this, I'll make a pinned comment. I was using my sub 6 for 6 build video as a reference, but the chainrings in that one are 20 lighter than the official listed weight. Oops! The correct weight should be 491g according to my math.
best channel for ACM product info
can you put Shimano Ultegra or DA chainrings on Cybrei crankset ?
Do Chinese bicycle component manufacturers use the same methodology to name brands as drug companies do?
I'm surprised they don't offer smaller crank sizes. I don't understand making a 162 instead of a 160. I would have bought one immediately.
i thought the exact same thing. I did message them and they said 160mm will be available soon but wouldn't give me a date so not getting my hopes up.
Are the crankset compatible with SRAM AXS chain rings?
Sram red crankarms older version cost around 300$ (weight same 320g) and newer version around 400$ (300g) which pro teams ride, you have warranty and etc etc, and this crank arms cost 419$ on official page and also you need to pay a lot of taxes to Europe. Can you tell me why I should buy this unknown brand without warranty for more money even if its actually good quality item (which still needs to be tested by time)? I mean if this crank arm could cost something like 200$ then yes. Anyway, I think it is too expensive, even if its good quality product.
Are you delivering to the US on Panda?
Of course, thats where most our customers are.
Interesting info 👍 what about the stiffness of the cranks compared to Dura Ace?
Great Work Joe!
Joe whats your opinion on the Elilee carbon crankset? I order them b/c they come in a 155mm. Still waiting for them to show up. I would to support panda podium because I know you stand behind all the products. Cybrei needs at least a 160mm. I have 3 more bikes that need carbon cranks
I've not used them, but plenty of people using them here in China! I see they also have a carbon axle version or something. I think also using the same easton interface between crank arms and spider too.
Have you seen the Lexon carbon cranks? Look like they come from the same factory with a slight cosmetic alteration. Have the same small parts and everything. They quote the exact same tests as well. Not that I trust Lexon/Ryet all that much.
I'd not seen them, but I just went and had a look. The "dent" in the crankarm on the lexon is interesting. Also, they don't seem to have 165mm or below, so I'm guessing pretty different, but the weight to price looks amazing.
I second that... Joe whats your opinion on the Elilee carbon crankset?
've not used them, but plenty of people using them here in China! I see they also have a carbon axle version or something. I think also using the same easton interface between crank arms and spider too.
Hey, is there a 167.5 mm arm length? Just works out to be the optimal length for my shorter legs.
Thx from Munich
Yup! 167.5mm is available.
Here's to hoping Cybrei will release 46/30 or 48/32 rings too.
Do they have a proper 1x option?
Hi.
How give me warranty, i bought a powermeter like this but doesn't work. Error calibration or calibration compensation of 530.
Get in touch with the website you purchased from, they'll take care of you.
@@ChinaCycling I was talking with service of xcadey but they say all is ok, I sent many videos and photos but not warranty, they say is ok. It's a garbage.
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Hey, thanks. What device and what browser are you using? :) Thanks again.
@@ChinaCycling The effect disappeared. I have just reloaded the website and it's gone. I am on Firefox on Android version 120.0.1.
Nevermind.
May i check hows the shifting with R8100? Anyone had got any issues? Planning to pair the 50/34 chainrings with praxis doon cranks. TIA for sharing.
I always question the strength of most Chinese made components. Does anyone know if these cranks can handle 1200 to 1400 watts of a powerful Sprinter ?
Is there a rider weight restriction ?
I have always used Specialized S works cranks, SRAM Red or Shimano Dura Ace cranks
Martin Laas fotmer Bora Hansghroe sprinter is using them, so... Yes. They can handle world tour lever sprints.
Can I use these cranks with sram red axs system? Ie keep the existing red chainring, chain and all
Cheers
Depends which SRAM red crankset you have now. The chainrings on some red cranks are built into the spider / power meter, so you can't take them off to put them on this. Some companies make SRAM AXS chainrings that can fit onto Shimano BCD, which would be an option. But if you already have SRAM Red, you're already very light.
Does it works on Shimano (BCD 110) rings or Absolute black rings
Shimano 110BCD rings no problem.
Any mountain bike cranks?
Hambini ? Is that him on the right?
O.44
Not sure Dura-Ace is a valid benchmark here, being mostly aluminium and featuring carbon only as part of one chainring.
Now, being only 20g heavier than THM - that is impressive, although Clavicula being 5-bolt. But the real competitor is Rotor Aldhu here.
Dura ace cost more and comes with most high end bikes, I'd say it's the perfect benchmark
And thm only has a one-sided power meter unless you use power pedals
@@invisiblescout6335it's the powermeter option that costs more. Without it we talk similar 700 Euros. Just like Cybrei or Rotor.
But Cybrei doesn't even mention a powermeter anywhere. We can only assume spider-based from Rotor or Quarq will fit. But then, why not getting Rotor as a whole package?
@@feedbackzaloop thm pm version is 2300€ and 1400€ without. Rotor and quark cranks are heavier and rotor isn't the most reliable of pms. You can fit cinch interface on on Cybrei, so p2m, sigeyi, xcadey.
@@feedbackzaloop carbon rotor crankset is 1300€ with meh chainrings, cybrei with sigeyi ~900€
@@invisiblescout6335 sigeyi is 380€, making Cybrei setup almost 1,1k. Same price for Rotor or DA at r2-bike. And this shop is not a discounter by any means.
If Cybrei chainrings are less "meh" than Rotor is still an open question. At least from material choice and machining process I see little difference, mostly marketing.
I only heard about elilee xxe carbon cranks in china.
I could never find cybrei on taobao.
In china they have an exclusive distributor called GL Sport.
Love this shizzle 👊👊
Are the chainrings compatible with shtmano cranks.
Yes, they use the 4x110 shimano BCD.
Any chance for a 80/110 grx compatible spider for gravel specific chainrings in the future?
i think you can use Easton AX GRAVEL RINGS, if it true that it use 'cinch'
@xXxZoahxXx 47/32 is not enough for me 😅
Shouldn't be too hard to make smaller spiders.. I'll ask :)
@@arturhirsch2908 they have 46/30 too
@ChinaCycling thanks a lot I really appreciate it! Especially because this would make the crankset a good gravel option as well
Press-fit with threads to ensure … alignment!? That doesn't sound right.
Better chance of alignment than simple pressfit. Obviously not as good as a one-piece ofc.
@@invisiblescout6335 tell me you know nothing about tolerances without telling me you know nothing about tolerances.
Pressfit cups are aligned either through frame or single-piece sleeve. Threaded two-piece construction adds rigidity, but doesn't help alignment.
Threaded cups are aligned by threads, but poorly compared to pressfit.
All options being made to according specifications, of course.
Anyway, if they don't offer a 24mm axle option, I will not take risk of install this product on my BB86 frame. This is not an option, IMHO.
Did I spot a 5 year old on a photo?
Dang I wish they had a 48-31.
cant wait to finally get to see this new hot sh!t
Full gas brah.
Do Tavelo make a rim brake frameset
Nope. :( Sad panda.
@ChinaCycling I have an SLC and would fancy a different climbing bike. Just different but light not aero, what in a rim configuration would you recommend
Similar or bit more expensive than SLC no issue
This channel has lost virtually all its value now it is just a Pandapodium shopping channel
sounds harsh but I kind of agree, there used to be some distance between the products and the videos, but now it feels like a telemarketing channel. I understand the hustle but not gonna lie, the YT content feels worse
ooohhh shouldn't say that. the circle jerks will attack you
Well yea. I mean, the average life of a YT creator is about 5-7 years. At some point, he has to pivot to a different business. Since Joe has contacts with the Chinese brands (especially since he worked at Winspace), it would make sense for him to gradually wind down his China Cycling YT channel, and use it as a promotional tool. I wouldn't be surprised if he merges his channel with the Panda Podium channel. Also, there are creators who do the whole China cycling review thing better than Joe, specifically TraceVelo.
I think its also interesting what the chinese market has to offer, Joe provides a great insight and vouches for the products on panda-podium. I find that in Europe you never hear about products like these
@@ElPresidente561 but he now only covers products he sells. I prefer TraceVelo as you get a wider picture
You pay what you get for😎
Not always and there are diminishing returns.
For this sort of money, they need to subject it to third-party testing by someone who can do it properly and cuts it in half to review the construction.
The only person qualified to do that on RUclips is probably Raoul. Most the other people cutting up frames don't really know what they're talking about.
@@ChinaCycling G'day Joe, since you are mentioning Raoul you may want to check your emails. lol
Great.. they make a 167.5 mm thx
2:14 That guy on 3rd place from my town in Ukraine.
The guy is rapid! I bet he has all the KOMs in your hometown? haha.
@@ChinaCycling he has few really strong KOMs, now he dont use strava, i think from 2017-2018. Actually he was top criterium rider in Ukraine from 2014 to 2017 +- and we weight around 60-65kg
👀
i think it's pronounced 'say-bur'
The problem is the shopping to europe
Please relocate 🤣
Free shipping, just takes a few weeks tho. :)
@$723 for these cranks, I think I'll buy a set of Shimano Ultegra cranks for $250 or even less and put the other $500 in the bank. Seriously, who needs $723 cranks? Pro racers? They have sponsors to buy them stuff like this. Meanwhile the guy who's ten pounds overweight will pay huge money to save 200grams on a bike part. Makes perfect sense.
It's not the bike. It was never the bike. It'll never be the bike.
Isn't that half the fun of cycling? Just seeing how light you can make your bike?
@@ynie1 It’s half the cost for sure.
the crankset is 629$ on the site, where are you getting 723$ from? there is also a deal where you can get the crankset, chainrings, and a spider with powermeter for just 699$. however that is true saving 200g is not something an overweight banker should strive for (but will)
@@ElPresidente561 Thanks for pointing that out. But yeah... everyone draws the line in a different place. Plenty of people would buy Tiagra cranks and put $650 in the bank. :)
No 150mm nor 155mm crank lengths?!? Hard pass!!
Can these crankset works/shifts well with Tarmarc SL7 & Shimano Ultegra 12 Speed FD?
@tracevelo
Do the crank arms work with Quarq power meters?