This show was phenomenal. I am a sci-fi guru, especially when it comes to space. I am 62 years old and this is the best sci-fi show I have ever watched.
I have to agree. Prior to this my #1 was Babylon 5, and it will always have a special place in my heart - it was the first TV show to really go in hard for the "long story" format, and that just made it so much better than anything that came before. And it changed the world - after that, that became the norm. Every show tried to do it. But The Expanse really raised the bar as far as I'm concerned.
@@isabellerunkledelavega556the original Foundation book series is a solid sci-fi, but the serial is... Controversial. More of a fantasy mimicking the science fiction.
The best thing I can think of for how Julie was seemingly so special is because the protomolocule was designed to hijack primitive, organic life. It didn't expect to encounter intelligent, nor even *conscious* life. The protomolocule was able to use Julie as a host long enough to learn how to decrypt our consciousness and use it, likely to locate Earth. During that, Julie was left intact, "Infecting it back". More so, it has learned how to assimilate human consciousness seemlessly now. IE proto-Miller.
@@dylanmonstrum1538 Because of her connection to the Razorback and Earth. She would be the perfect consciousness to hijack to send Eros barreling toward the Earth like a racing penance.
I'm only learning about it with season 5. Usually you hear before this, like GOT or Vikings I heard by season 1. Exp is great, great production values, writing, characters, science etc. My favourite are Amos but Dresden and crew a bunch of scientists with their empathy removed, ready made sociopaths totally fascinating
Who agree with me that Miller was above every character in Expanse. He died twice, sacrificing his life to save humanity. I think he was the best of all!
Thank you for making this. The Expanse is a complex series with a lot of moving parts, and the linkages between them are not always apparent. This video really helps explain a lot of that, so that a binge re-watch will make a lot more sense.
Yes - this was well done. I've read the books (I've finished through book 6) and began trailing along behind watching the TV show. It's the first TV / movie I've ever watched that I think did full and true justice to its origin materials - it's such a well done show. I'm only in season 3, and I've started noticing some fairly significant deviations from the books, but it's still pretty good. Kudos to the producers - it's great to see that proper homage to a book series *can* be done, if the production crew is willing to focus on that instead of going for the "quick buck jugular." The protomolecule is an amazing idea - we can reason that if it reached a system and it turned out there was no life-supporting planet there, it would just lie dormant. So the alien civilization literally could have just "shotgunned the galaxy" with these things. If life supporting planets were found, a gate would result - if no life existed, no gate. That's perfect - it means the gate network winds up connecting to exactly the systems of most interest. A really ingenious concept. And so... "forward looking" - they were willing to wait literally millions of years for their probes to reach their destination. Talk about investing in the future! I can't imagine humanity willing to devote more than a tiny pittance to something that wouldn't payoff for even hundreds of years in the future - much less thousands or millions.
@@KipIngram It could go even further, even planets that don't support life currently could go through whatever conditions are necessary to produce life, and when that life is abundant enough to encounter the protomolecule it activates.
Nice overview of the protomolecule. What fascinated me was that it was a very creepy bit of nano-technology that brought out the very creepiest in everyone who learned about it. My very favorite scene in the whole series is when Miller meets Julie and gets to talk with her, convincing her to steer away from Earth. Some of Julie's lines (because the kids figured out how to listen in) keep showing up later in the series at the most delightful moments.
I am really hoping Miller and Julie make a re-appearance in the final book. This series did an especially good job of introducing Humanity to the idea of Substrate-Independent Intelligence and Life (A form of Hard Cartesian Dualism where “Body” is “whatever you want or need it to be.” And “Mind” exists in an independent substrate that can also be “moved” anywhere you want it to be). But it has done a poor job of revealing the reality of our own current development of Artificial Intelligence, and Cybernetics where in about 2 to 5 more decades (maybe less if people like Dr. Ted Berger at USC succeed in developing a robust Silicon to Organic Interface that doesn’t produce Neurosclerosis, or Apoptosis - Scarring of the nerve tissue in a large scale, or neuron-death on a large scale, where the digital technology interfaces with the brain or nervous system. He developed a functional prosthetic hippocampus that if such an interface were developed would allow for people to literally download new knowledge and skills. It’s just that currently the prosthetic cannot be “installed” without it eventually destroying a great deal of the brain with which it must connect to function) we’re going to have “people” who are as much machine as the robots that will also exist. In that respect The Expanse has been a bit of a failure. But had they included that, the Protomolecule would not have appeared to be such a radical thing. It would just be “the next obvious step.” I do have a supposition for “where” the Ring-Builders are, though.... The Sphere inside the “Gates,” or what they call the “Slow-Zone” is itself a form of “Extra-dimensional Space.” It forms a “Space” that is not “inside” the rest of the Universe. And, you can see that, when you are “inside” this “space,” or “In the Slow-Zone” where you have access to the tough sands of other Gates, each leading to a new system, that there is a “bubble” that is formed where the Gates” are in the “surface” of that bubble... You can see a “Space” between the Gates, but it is reported that it leads “no-where.” This might sound confusing... But that “Space,” which is the “Outside of the Inside of the Gates” is where the Ring-Builders are. And the Ring-Station (the small “planet” at the Center of the Ring-Space or “Slow-Zone”) has the means to switch the Gates from Exiting the “Ring-Space” to the “Outside Universe” to Exiting the “Ring Space” to the “Outside of the Ring Space that is inside the Rings, but not in the Universe itself.” If you’ve read the books, you’ll know what happens to Marco Inaros’ “Free Navy.” Knowing how they were defeated will tell you where the Ring-Builders are, and where “Outside of the Inside of the Gates” is.
@@MatthewBaileyBeAfraid Thank you so much for this post, I've never heard of Berger and his research before. What a valuable nugget of information to find in a youtube comment. :)
@@delicedeluna1629 - Alex, I believe when he was in the Razorback escaping from Marco’s goons, or else on the Rocinante many years later escaping from their most recent and spectacular military engagement, “Can’t catch the Razorback! We are gone and gone and gone and gone!”
I always think of the Protomolecule as a construction tool that was aimed to use the primordial ooze on earth when it was trapped by Saturn's gravity. it was to import the materials on Earth, use them to construct the ring gate and CPU setup for the Sol system to be part of the Precursor's network of colonies. I imagine they shot out millions of these construction tools that took 100s of light years to arrive at their destinations in an automated fashion, and they didnt even realize Sol's was stopped before whatever killed them killed them.
I am in the same boat. I've heard about 'The Expanse' for a couple years, but never got around to watching it. Now that I have, also about two weeks or maybe three ago, I am absolutely hooked too! One of my favorite sci-fi series.
Have only just discovered your channel (can't believe how many people are NOT reviewing the Expanse!) I am enjoying your content and really appreciate your approach of taking things as they are revealed in the show and not spoiling the books beyond what has been shown. The good thing about finding your content so late, though, is that I can now watch a ton of it all at once!
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Easily the best sci-fi book series I've read in my life. Each book got better and better. I was hanging on the edge of my seat, gasping in awe... or laughing my head off - the writing was just stellar (pun not intended).
I'd liken it to stem cells. These can become anything given information. The protomolecule consumes everything and learns to become. It's not a perfect fit because it ultimately has a goal to become a gate/worm hole. Still I like the comparison.
Given the incredibly complex technological structure it is designed to ultimately build, comparing it to computer malware is more trivial, yet more accurate; it has a virus-like layer that utilizes external systems for self-replication and launches a kind of .exe-file that takes over that system, establishes a communication network with other infected systems, and ultimately extracts what is basically the most comprehensive .zip-file imaginable to build a very specific, incredibly sophisticated technological macro-structure.
@@christianosminroden7878 Some biological viruses and other parasites also act like this too. An incredibly simple particle like a virus can still contain information that the host cell will read as instructions. Some things that this can do include communication and movement. Parasites like Toxoplasma gondii are better analogies though, as they're still simple (though nowhere near as simple as viruses) but can do crazy things like influence the perception, feelings and behaviour of humans and other animals, not by accident but to fulfill its own goal. It being biological however, it's goal is simply to survive and evolve. Computer viruses have other goals programmed into them rather than only a survival drive. A purpose. So it's a better analogy yeah. Worth noting that biological viruses and parasites could be programmed with 'goals' artificially, but since they are natural things they just want to live and reproduce. The best viruses and parasites are those that go unnoticed and do nothing of note, or that give a small advantage of some sort to their host (like T. gondii). Having too much of a goal will make it noticeable both to human knowledge and also to our bodies too, and lead to it's own extinction most likely. Harm caused by biological parasites is usually either an accident or a necessity that is needed for reproduction. The protomolecule also seems to have no ill intent towards humans, it isn't really conscious and is just following instructions like DNA or computer code, it's just turning raw materials into products it's been told to make - the problem for Eros was that we humans were the raw materials.
@@DaFinkingOrk Very nice elaboration! And yes, I agree that the protomolecule doesn‘t seem to be purposefully hostile towards humans (or any other host it might encounter, for that matter), but merely indifferent - which is a trait it shares with basically „all of the above“.
I've been Bingeing on Amazon Prime and cause I fell asleep I've missed lots . This is great explaination it's a great series I've been reading lots of astronomy and the show is very authentic and has lots of good science
Dresden is such a good antagonist. Not many fictional villains have made me hate them to the level of hate I had for him. But at the same time I believed that he truly believed that his work was for the good of humanity. What he was doing was despicable to the point that he had to alter his researchers brains to literally not be able to feel empathy because only sociopaths would be able to do the things they were doing. But he wasn't evil just to be evil. He believed that he was working towards an end that would justify the means. When Amos smoked him with that "I'm that guy" line was so satisfying.
I've never watched or searched for "The Expanse" on RUclips but this one showed up on my feed after I watched half of season 2 last night on AP. RUclips has also been suggesting the Snowden video on "how your phone spies on you"... I'm def gonna have to check that one out now. 😳
umm ill save you the trouble, it logs all of your movements, it is an extension of your fingerprints digitally, no pun intended, any apps you install will have access to everything in your phone inc pics and txts, your location data etc, each of these apps is a seperate entity, so each of these companies know as much about you as you do, they sell your data and anything useful they find out about your habits, any of the apps on your phone can technically activate your microphone or camera, and spy on you in realtime, as well as your phone provider and service provider, if you support trump for example, they will sell your information to pro trump and anti trump groups, everything bout you, including your music tastes and porn habits are dissected and pigeon holed for various organisations
Interesting video! Protomolecule seems to have the instruction, "Make a cosmic gate at all costs." I wonder if this behavior changes in different locations, or places that already have a gate.
Let me know if you have any questions about the protomolecule, and what else you'd like to see in this series. You can watch part 2 here - ruclips.net/video/HcwL5YCfIv0/видео.html Part 3 on the investigator is here - ruclips.net/video/HaAgniZWhb0/видео.html
When are posting the second part about the protomolecule? Great job. So glad you did this. I watched all seasons three times and did not fully catch all the little details. Here's a question for you: why does Amos feel so close to the only scientist left alive? Is there a connection between them? What is it? Amos is not the most brilliant guy of the bunch, he normally uses force to solve his problems. Why is he so enthralled with the scientist and his work, and how can he connect with a scientist? Thank you so much.
I think Amos is intrigued with Cortazar because he wonders if their brains work in a similar way. Not sure if you saw it but I put out an Amos video last week ruclips.net/video/ULflUzkIzxw/видео.html
@@dominicklittle9828 I don't think he had it done. That Cortazar stuff doesn't happen in the books so there's nothing to compare it to, but as we learn more of Amos' backstory there's nothing pointing to that.
I watched it daily over the past couple months and it is an amazing series! I want more and I want it fast. It doesn’t look like Amazon Prime is going to give it to me. I guess the books are my next option, and not a bad one at all.
My version: aliens send a little bit of this goop to each star system. If something interesting finds it, it hijacks them and builds a gate, giving the aliens easy access.
That's a great guess, and depending on their end goal it could make sense; however, if their goal is to make contact or in some way take advantage of the existence of life in X solar system, sending "goop" that would very likely wipe out that life would be a pretty stupid move. Here's easy access to a... lifeless solar system. A less aggressive, more discriminating technology that avoided wiping out the thing of value would've been smarter. Are you suggesting that the "easy access" they wanted was the solar system itself, or maybe our biomass?
@@ryanthomas82 we don't know that the stuff still infects people after the gate is built. I'm guessing though that we would be considered to be bacteria by them....
@@ryanthomas82 perhaps it’s a consciousness tech which only lets people in who don’t are in war or wants to destroy stuff. Only letting in peace minded people into the ring.
I have listened to the Expanse series (Audible books) 4 or 5 times now and I never knew there was a series. I shall be very interested to see their interpretation. What I see here looks really good.
One plot hole from the books and tv show that I have never quite been able to reconcile is how the moon Phoebe could have been caught in Saturn's gravity. Based on what has been shown with the capabilities of the protomolecule, it can perform movement without propulsion. Some type of interialess drive. So it stands to reason that it should have been able to easily navigate our solar system before targeting Earth. A couple of possibilities is that it malfunctioned in some way. But my theory is that when the ring builders were fighting against the dimensional aliens is that they may have sent out some signal to make any other protomolecule probes go inert or into some standby mode to ensure no more gates came online. Curious what other people might be thinking about that. And of course, great show!
The PM stored in Phoebe was inert, awaiting a powerful impact into a planet (Earth) and subsequent exposure to biological life. Phoebe was just a dumb delivery system flung at Earth billions of years ago. Eros was different: the PM had all the biomass and energy it needed to commandeer a large asteroid, but at great cost. When the crew on the Roci estimates the energy usage the PM needs, it was just a guess based on the waste heat they could measure, which for something as massive as Eros was in the range of exojoules (10^18). That’s not something Eros can sustain for long, certainly not something that could continue to work for billions of years. Spoiler season 4: The machines on Ilus/New Terra were dormant for a billion years and were breaking down when started back up. If the PM had to do massive, coordinated work when it entered the solar system, it would have to be built into something complex and functional, yet dormant for millennia. It would be far more practical to have the PM in a hardy, basic, dormant state awaiting a catastrophically energetic event like an asteroid impact before it would get activated. It’s plausible that many similar Phoebe-like asteroids were flung about by the Builders towards potential life-bearing planets that never reached their destinations. There are only about a thousand systems linked to the Ring Gate network. In the real world today, astrophysicists are already finding many exoplanets not too far from Earth that seem to lie in the “Goldilocks Zone” where the temperature range allows water to exist in all three phases. We believe this is necessary for life, as we know it, to exist. Those Goldilocks planets do not seem particularly rare. Perhaps the Builders had tens or hundreds of thousands of candidate planets and only needed a small percentage of PM to succeed for their aims.
Maybe the probes don't have a power source (you'd need it to last for thousands of years minimum) and rely on the target star's power to activate. And Phoebe simply got stuck too far from Sun to trigger that phase.
@@AndrewCZ47 Being inside the rock also would prevent that. It would make sense if the delivery system was designed such that a catastrophic and energetic event like an asteroid impact was a necessary first step to "turn on" the PM and start the process to consume organic life on a planet.
I think the protomolecule on ancient Phoebe was just protomolecule only, without any self-replicating mass available to hijack. The protomolecule alone can’t do anything…it’s like software that doesn’t have a computer to run on. The self-replicating mass provides the computer, in this analogy.
I really wanted to make a video about the ring gates and the builders, but thought it made sense to make this one first. Second part should be out next week.
13:00 After Naomi was unable to destroy it... The plan was to launch the rocked with last sample into the Sun, and Naomi choose not to do that and hit the rocket with the PM sample, nothing indicated that she was unable to destroy it.
Great video! Man wish I saw first half of this while I was watching first couple of seasons. Completely missed that it was sent 2 billion years ago and its missions was stopped by Saturn's gravity.
That's one way to see it, a virus for humans, a self assembling, self repairing replicating organic device to build a sub-spatial portal. Quite ingenious really, if you had a long life-span but could not travel faster than light, just send seeds all over to build gateways to your home system. The problem with this however starts when one of your seeds ends in a system already populated by a more advanced race than yours and they may not take kindly to your idea of destroying their world and its population so you can have a gateway.
Well, yes and no. The sole „function“ of a virus is self-replication. It doesn‘t go beyond that. The protomolecule uses its hosts similarly to a virus for replication, but that‘s only the comparatively humble beginning of what it does. It‘s a means to an end. The function of self-replication is a far cry from taking control over the host, communicating with other specimen in what is referred to here as a hive-mind and ultimately physically build a specific technological structure - any macro-scale structure at all. That this particular structure is highly sophisticated and can launch itself from a planet, move to an apparently specific position in the solar system and then transform itself into another structure that remotely „logs“ itself into a network of interstellar portals only is the tip of the iceberg here - although, admittedly, a „tip“ that comes in the form of a staggeringly tall tower... Therefore, instead of a virus, I‘d rather compare it to the most sophisticated and comprehensive .zip-file imaginable, wrapped in something that functionally resembles more a computer- than a biological virus in that it not only replicates itself, but also unpacks and launches the .exe contained in it.
@@christianosminroden7878 Protomolecule.exe has stopped working, please contact your universe administrator. If problem persists reinstall galaxy. BSOD
@@christianosminroden7878 that is great comparison/explanation. I personally see it as a multitool that combines characteristics of biological virus (hijacks another self replicating system to replicate itself), computer virus (has a programmed goal and a set of instructions on how to do it) and a 3D printer (since it can build anything you code it to)
Reminds me of Protoculture from 80's anime Super Dimension Fortress Macross, where the Protoculture was a fuel source for invading aliens to create robotic transformation ships that could fold space. In US the series was called Robotech.
12:17 "The PM appeared to be a message in a bottle, but one that included its own grammar books and instruction tutorials." That passage is ironic, because Cortazar says the exact opposite in the show. He describes the PM as a tree of life apart from our own and that "it didn't come with an instruction manual".
Cortazar meant that it didn’t come with an instruction manual for the humans trying to understand its design and purpose. Dresden said “we can only learn from it, by watching *it* learn.”
Started watching this way back. I kinda really wanted to watch the whole thing. 3 more books to go 👍. Only saw first season about halfway through the second episode dang. Think I’ll look for the books 👍.
I started to watch the EXPANSE back sometime in 2019?? and then stopped.. and then binge watched the series where I left off over the last few weeks... so I am having to go back and remember all those confusing details about that. I started to re-watch season one but it helps to have these breakdowns cause.. this is a very complicated series! LOL
Yay. Book 8 was my favorite, and I’m really hoping that 9 will take its place as my new favorite. I’m also hoping 9 comes out before season 6; wherever season 6 ends, I’d like to know the ending of the book series first.
@@archmaesterrenny9569 pretty sure Leviathan Falls (9) is supposed to be released in October. That would guarantee it was out before season 6. So excited to see how it ends.
After the series ends, to point out the similarities and differences. I'm so excited the showrunner for this series is working so closely with the authors so that whatever the final scenes are like they won't be completely out-of-character with the books (even though it looks like we're leaving out a few really major subplots).
Big plot twist is how Holden explains that the protomolecule isn't some insidious weapon, it doesn't give a damn about humanity, it's just very advanced cement building a road.
Hola es una pregunta descolgada ... ¿en que estado o si la protomolecula o polimorfo inteligente estaba envasado ? Es ovbio que no uso a phoebe como materia prima.
This show almost reminds me of the alien universe and the wayland-yutani company. In addition, the goo David found also work as a algorithm for rapid and random mutations.
Thats fine and all, but how did it work and what was it made of in its initial form? What was the formula? Also, what killed the Protomolecule builders? Are there any answers about that? Does the answer dive into the metaphysical state?
My only issue with the Venus collision is that Eros breaking up, spreading, breaking up, spreading and then hitting the planet simultaneously as it did in the books would have been truly spectacular.
This a brilliant video Pete 👊🏿 I hadnt read any of the books but couldn't wait for release date of the new season so I went straight to reading "Nemesis Games" as my first and omg 💥💥💥 I am even more hyped for this than before 😄 Just a question do you suppose if the protomolecule were to infect earth or another biomass in our system would result in anything since it's mission of making the ring is now complete?
It's part of the mystery. It seems to be programmed to build the ring and then reach out to its makers. Since they're gone it's not clear how it would adapt other than continuing to try to contact them. On the surface of Illus we saw that it built/shaped the planet, but some of the other systems don't appear to have artifacts on the planets.
Is it not akin to the monolith. A tool to accelerate life starting but needs some life to manipulate and work with. A tool with advanced self protection but can alter time and accelerate time within its own sphere of influence while using the life it finds to communicate its intent
So many compelling stories about superviruses that reorganise organic matter and redefine intelligence/consciousness. From Halo to the Expanse and all the books, games, movies and novels in between. So much is being brought into the modern collective consciousness subliminally in increments and the public is mostly unaware, seeing it as just entertainment.
@@bigpharma2705 Media placement is always an advert/show of intent. The population does not respond via protest so its now seen as acceptable to move forward.
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This show was phenomenal. I am a sci-fi guru, especially when it comes to space. I am 62 years old and this is the best sci-fi show I have ever watched.
I have to agree. Prior to this my #1 was Babylon 5, and it will always have a special place in my heart - it was the first TV show to really go in hard for the "long story" format, and that just made it so much better than anything that came before. And it changed the world - after that, that became the norm. Every show tried to do it. But The Expanse really raised the bar as far as I'm concerned.
I agree, it's a great show. But watch Foundation.
@@isabellerunkledelavega556the original Foundation book series is a solid sci-fi, but the serial is... Controversial. More of a fantasy mimicking the science fiction.
Wait until you read the books... OMFG the Epilogue of Book 9 is like................. RETHING ALL EXISTENCE
@@ArheIy Well yeah fuck it that's why I ordered the books, full series one go, one and same edition. I love a nice bookshelf :)
The best thing I can think of for how Julie was seemingly so special is because the protomolocule was designed to hijack primitive, organic life. It didn't expect to encounter intelligent, nor even *conscious* life.
The protomolocule was able to use Julie as a host long enough to learn how to decrypt our consciousness and use it, likely to locate Earth. During that, Julie was left intact, "Infecting it back".
More so, it has learned how to assimilate human consciousness seemlessly now. IE proto-Miller.
Nostromo self destruct screen on The MCRN Donnager, Gives you Engineer Protomolecule?
But why her, and not all the soldiers it encountered?
@@dylanmonstrum1538 Because of her connection to the Razorback and Earth. She would be the perfect consciousness to hijack to send Eros barreling toward the Earth like a racing penance.
This show is criminally underrated. i mean insanely so.... one day.
I'm only learning about it with season 5. Usually you hear before this, like GOT or Vikings I heard by season 1. Exp is great, great production values, writing, characters, science etc.
My favourite are Amos but Dresden and crew a bunch of scientists with their empathy removed, ready made sociopaths totally fascinating
One of the best shows to come out in a long time.
Yeah, definitely deserves more credit.
Who agree with me that Miller was above every character in Expanse. He died twice, sacrificing his life to save humanity. I think he was the best of all!
Thank you for making this. The Expanse is a complex series with a lot of moving parts, and the linkages between them are not always apparent. This video really helps explain a lot of that, so that a binge re-watch will make a lot more sense.
Yes - this was well done. I've read the books (I've finished through book 6) and began trailing along behind watching the TV show. It's the first TV / movie I've ever watched that I think did full and true justice to its origin materials - it's such a well done show. I'm only in season 3, and I've started noticing some fairly significant deviations from the books, but it's still pretty good. Kudos to the producers - it's great to see that proper homage to a book series *can* be done, if the production crew is willing to focus on that instead of going for the "quick buck jugular."
The protomolecule is an amazing idea - we can reason that if it reached a system and it turned out there was no life-supporting planet there, it would just lie dormant. So the alien civilization literally could have just "shotgunned the galaxy" with these things. If life supporting planets were found, a gate would result - if no life existed, no gate. That's perfect - it means the gate network winds up connecting to exactly the systems of most interest. A really ingenious concept. And so... "forward looking" - they were willing to wait literally millions of years for their probes to reach their destination. Talk about investing in the future! I can't imagine humanity willing to devote more than a tiny pittance to something that wouldn't payoff for even hundreds of years in the future - much less thousands or millions.
@@KipIngram It could go even further, even planets that don't support life currently could go through whatever conditions are necessary to produce life, and when that life is abundant enough to encounter the protomolecule it activates.
@@orestesbastos Ah, yes - that makes it even more inspired. As close to a "cannot fail" strategy as I've ever seen.
Made me want to watch it a third time!
Nice overview of the protomolecule. What fascinated me was that it was a very creepy bit of nano-technology that brought out the very creepiest in everyone who learned about it.
My very favorite scene in the whole series is when Miller meets Julie and gets to talk with her, convincing her to steer away from Earth. Some of Julie's lines (because the kids figured out how to listen in) keep showing up later in the series at the most delightful moments.
I am really hoping Miller and Julie make a re-appearance in the final book.
This series did an especially good job of introducing Humanity to the idea of Substrate-Independent Intelligence and Life (A form of Hard Cartesian Dualism where “Body” is “whatever you want or need it to be.” And “Mind” exists in an independent substrate that can also be “moved” anywhere you want it to be).
But it has done a poor job of revealing the reality of our own current development of Artificial Intelligence, and Cybernetics where in about 2 to 5 more decades (maybe less if people like Dr. Ted Berger at USC succeed in developing a robust Silicon to Organic Interface that doesn’t produce Neurosclerosis, or Apoptosis - Scarring of the nerve tissue in a large scale, or neuron-death on a large scale, where the digital technology interfaces with the brain or nervous system. He developed a functional prosthetic hippocampus that if such an interface were developed would allow for people to literally download new knowledge and skills. It’s just that currently the prosthetic cannot be “installed” without it eventually destroying a great deal of the brain with which it must connect to function) we’re going to have “people” who are as much machine as the robots that will also exist.
In that respect The Expanse has been a bit of a failure. But had they included that, the Protomolecule would not have appeared to be such a radical thing. It would just be “the next obvious step.”
I do have a supposition for “where” the Ring-Builders are, though....
The Sphere inside the “Gates,” or what they call the “Slow-Zone” is itself a form of “Extra-dimensional Space.” It forms a “Space” that is not “inside” the rest of the Universe.
And, you can see that, when you are “inside” this “space,” or “In the Slow-Zone” where you have access to the tough sands of other Gates, each leading to a new system, that there is a “bubble” that is formed where the Gates” are in the “surface” of that bubble... You can see a “Space” between the Gates, but it is reported that it leads “no-where.”
This might sound confusing... But that “Space,” which is the “Outside of the Inside of the Gates” is where the Ring-Builders are. And the Ring-Station (the small “planet” at the Center of the Ring-Space or “Slow-Zone”) has the means to switch the Gates from Exiting the “Ring-Space” to the “Outside Universe” to Exiting the “Ring Space” to the “Outside of the Ring Space that is inside the Rings, but not in the Universe itself.”
If you’ve read the books, you’ll know what happens to Marco Inaros’ “Free Navy.” Knowing how they were defeated will tell you where the Ring-Builders are, and where “Outside of the Inside of the Gates” is.
@@MatthewBaileyBeAfraid Thank you so much for this post, I've never heard of Berger and his research before. What a valuable nugget of information to find in a youtube comment. :)
@ Loren Sims - I've got a terrible memory... can you tell me some scenes in which her lines reappear?
@@delicedeluna1629 - Alex, I believe when he was in the Razorback escaping from Marco’s goons, or else on the Rocinante many years later escaping from their most recent and spectacular military engagement, “Can’t catch the Razorback! We are gone and gone and gone and gone!”
@@lorensims4846 Thank you! I missed that totally. Glad I am rewatching the whole series again [:
I always think of the Protomolecule as a construction tool that was aimed to use the primordial ooze on earth when it was trapped by Saturn's gravity. it was to import the materials on Earth, use them to construct the ring gate and CPU setup for the Sol system to be part of the Precursor's network of colonies. I imagine they shot out millions of these construction tools that took 100s of light years to arrive at their destinations in an automated fashion, and they didnt even realize Sol's was stopped before whatever killed them killed them.
So it looks like The Expanse is shagging up with Stargate then?
I just discovered this show and I’m absolutely hooked.
I am in the same boat. I've heard about 'The Expanse' for a couple years, but never got around to watching it. Now that I have, also about two weeks or maybe three ago, I am absolutely hooked too! One of my favorite sci-fi series.
Same. Smashed it out abot 9 months ago... It's truly one of the best shows ever
Have only just discovered your channel (can't believe how many people are NOT reviewing the Expanse!) I am enjoying your content and really appreciate your approach of taking things as they are revealed in the show and not spoiling the books beyond what has been shown. The good thing about finding your content so late, though, is that I can now watch a ton of it all at once!
Great run down. Thanks. I’ve been watching the Expanse since the beginning and never really understood the protomolecule.
Glad it was helpful
The expanse is under represented. Really good show but nobody knows about it.
I disagree... Any true Sci-fi lovers are all watching it. The uproar of when Syfy cancelled was top news
Agreed. It’s the best sci-fi show still making new episodes. Sad it’s only got one more season left.
@@MrBopper2888 it's getting more seasons after 5 and 6 it's confirmed
@@Sheppardsg1 source?
Google the expance not canceled by the authors and also james corey tweeted thad few weeks ago
I never completely understood the proto molecule. This has helped a lot!
This is a really great treatment of WTF the protomolocule/blue-goo is. Thanks for summing this all up!
I’m just watching it for Carmina Drummer 😜😜😜
Camina, I know🙄
She was the best character, followed by Amos.
you all prolly dont care at all but does any of you know a method to get back into an instagram account..?
I stupidly forgot the account password. I would appreciate any assistance you can offer me
@Mayson Kade instablaster :)
@Clayton Axl i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site thru google and Im trying it out now.
I see it takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
It's so long between seasons that I'm going to watch the whole thing from the beginning. It is a good show. Great SiFi !
Easily the best sci-fi book series I've read in my life. Each book got better and better. I was hanging on the edge of my seat, gasping in awe... or laughing my head off - the writing was just stellar (pun not intended).
I'd liken it to stem cells. These can become anything given information. The protomolecule consumes everything and learns to become. It's not a perfect fit because it ultimately has a goal to become a gate/worm hole. Still I like the comparison.
Stem cells are awesome!
Given the incredibly complex technological structure it is designed to ultimately build, comparing it to computer malware is more trivial, yet more accurate; it has a virus-like layer that utilizes external systems for self-replication and launches a kind of .exe-file that takes over that system, establishes a communication network with other infected systems, and ultimately extracts what is basically the most comprehensive .zip-file imaginable to build a very specific, incredibly sophisticated technological macro-structure.
@@christianosminroden7878 Some biological viruses and other parasites also act like this too. An incredibly simple particle like a virus can still contain information that the host cell will read as instructions. Some things that this can do include communication and movement.
Parasites like Toxoplasma gondii are better analogies though, as they're still simple (though nowhere near as simple as viruses) but can do crazy things like influence the perception, feelings and behaviour of humans and other animals, not by accident but to fulfill its own goal.
It being biological however, it's goal is simply to survive and evolve.
Computer viruses have other goals programmed into them rather than only a survival drive. A purpose.
So it's a better analogy yeah.
Worth noting that biological viruses and parasites could be programmed with 'goals' artificially, but since they are natural things they just want to live and reproduce.
The best viruses and parasites are those that go unnoticed and do nothing of note, or that give a small advantage of some sort to their host (like T. gondii). Having too much of a goal will make it noticeable both to human knowledge and also to our bodies too, and lead to it's own extinction most likely.
Harm caused by biological parasites is usually either an accident or a necessity that is needed for reproduction.
The protomolecule also seems to have no ill intent towards humans, it isn't really conscious and is just following instructions like DNA or computer code, it's just turning raw materials into products it's been told to make - the problem for Eros was that we humans were the raw materials.
@@DaFinkingOrk Very nice elaboration! And yes, I agree that the protomolecule doesn‘t seem to be purposefully hostile towards humans (or any other host it might encounter, for that matter), but merely indifferent - which is a trait it shares with basically „all of the above“.
@@DaFinkingOrk So basically a Computer generated, Bio-Illogical virus? Or verse-visa? 🤔
This show is severely underrated. Top notch sci-fi..
Thanks man, I've loved your Exapnse videos! Started watching 2 years ago and your videos made watching more fun.
Mahalo dude
That's great. More to come.
Thank you. Lots of details I have missed
I just discovered the show, and in in love and hooked with it! So amazig and fabulous,.. how come theres not so many more people talking about it!?
This was a very cool synopsis of the story. Thanks for making this. Liked it a lot.
Way to setup your vid for no spoilers, thanks dude
Really a great show! Excellent cast, plot, science, etc. never a dull moment.
THANK YOU ..!!! Such an amazing show....
What a great video to watch on my lunch 👏 👌 Love the expanse
More to come.
Just started season 1. it's kinda confusing at first but once you understand what's happening it's really amazing.
one of the best if not best sci fi show.
I've been Bingeing on Amazon Prime and cause I fell asleep I've missed lots . This is great explaination it's a great series I've been reading lots of astronomy and the show is very authentic and has lots of good science
LOL I keep falling asleep during my Expanse binge, too!
Dresden is such a good antagonist. Not many fictional villains have made me hate them to the level of hate I had for him. But at the same time I believed that he truly believed that his work was for the good of humanity. What he was doing was despicable to the point that he had to alter his researchers brains to literally not be able to feel empathy because only sociopaths would be able to do the things they were doing. But he wasn't evil just to be evil. He believed that he was working towards an end that would justify the means. When Amos smoked him with that "I'm that guy" line was so satisfying.
Amos didnt smoke Dresden. Miller did. The scene youre referencing with the "Im that guy" was Strickland, not Dresden.
Taking it season by season was perfect. Thanks dude!
You make the best expanse content
Thanks. Expanse content isn't in high demand right now, so I appreciate that.
@@PetePeppers1 The Show is so under-appreciated for how good it is, But thanks to you and all the fandom it's gaining popularity.
I second this. Your videos are great!
I've never watched or searched for "The Expanse" on RUclips but this one showed up on my feed after I watched half of season 2 last night on AP. RUclips has also been suggesting the Snowden video on "how your phone spies on you"... I'm def gonna have to check that one out now. 😳
**they're** monitoring yoooouuu! lol
umm ill save you the trouble, it logs all of your movements, it is an extension of your fingerprints digitally, no pun intended, any apps you install will have access to everything in your phone inc pics and txts, your location data etc, each of these apps is a seperate entity, so each of these companies know as much about you as you do, they sell your data and anything useful they find out about your habits, any of the apps on your phone can technically activate your microphone or camera, and spy on you in realtime, as well as your phone provider and service provider, if you support trump for example, they will sell your information to pro trump and anti trump groups, everything bout you, including your music tastes and porn habits are dissected and pigeon holed for various organisations
The really like how the protomolecule is just so alien and mysterious, it leaves you guessing what its going to do.
Interesting video! Protomolecule seems to have the instruction, "Make a cosmic gate at all costs." I wonder if this behavior changes in different locations, or places that already have a gate.
Let me know if you have any questions about the protomolecule, and what else you'd like to see in this series.
You can watch part 2 here - ruclips.net/video/HcwL5YCfIv0/видео.html
Part 3 on the investigator is here - ruclips.net/video/HaAgniZWhb0/видео.html
When are posting the second part about the protomolecule? Great job. So glad you did this. I watched all seasons three times and did not fully catch all the little details. Here's a question for you: why does Amos feel so close to the only scientist left alive? Is there a connection between them? What is it? Amos is not the most brilliant guy of the bunch, he normally uses force to solve his problems. Why is he so enthralled with the scientist and his work, and how can he connect with a scientist? Thank you so much.
Amos and Baltimore "The Churn "
I think Amos is intrigued with Cortazar because he wonders if their brains work in a similar way. Not sure if you saw it but I put out an Amos video last week ruclips.net/video/ULflUzkIzxw/видео.html
@@PetePeppers1 i thought it was because amos had also had the magnet/empathy sociopath treatment. he asks him if it can be reversed
@@dominicklittle9828 I don't think he had it done. That Cortazar stuff doesn't happen in the books so there's nothing to compare it to, but as we learn more of Amos' backstory there's nothing pointing to that.
Just so you know season 5 isn't the final season, it's been confirmed there will be season 6
I'm from the future and we're still waiting on Season 7!
The whole idea of proto molecule is cool
I watched it daily over the past couple months and it is an amazing series! I want more and I want it fast. It doesn’t look like Amazon Prime is going to give it to me. I guess the books are my next option, and not a bad one at all.
Literally spent 1 1/2 weeks binge watching this to catch up to season 5 ^^;
Nice.
Saaaame!
I'm glad I listen to Reddit and decided to give this a try. I finished Season 2 and understand the hype now.
Thanks for these videos. They're awesome.
Glad you are enjoying them.
Great video !!!!! I Luke IT very much. I am waiting for the Next one . Congratulations . :)
My version: aliens send a little bit of this goop to each star system. If something interesting finds it, it hijacks them and builds a gate, giving the aliens easy access.
That's a great guess, and depending on their end goal it could make sense; however, if their goal is to make contact or in some way take advantage of the existence of life in X solar system, sending "goop" that would very likely wipe out that life would be a pretty stupid move. Here's easy access to a... lifeless solar system. A less aggressive, more discriminating technology that avoided wiping out the thing of value would've been smarter. Are you suggesting that the "easy access" they wanted was the solar system itself, or maybe our biomass?
@@ryanthomas82 we don't know that the stuff still infects people after the gate is built. I'm guessing though that we would be considered to be bacteria by them....
@@ryanthomas82 perhaps it’s a consciousness tech which only lets people in who don’t are in war or wants to destroy stuff. Only letting in peace minded people into the ring.
@@dacke13 it isn't. I ain't gonna say more to not spoil.
@@elkapro6534 just tell me bro, u won’t destroy anything for me. I wanna know. It’s based on books right?
Woefully underrated show. Being a Firefly fan.
Such a good show with such a good backbone/worldbuilding for the story! Last 2 season was a bit slow though.. Also I miss Miller!
Really enjoying all your videos, keep it up.
Thanks, more to come.
I have been meaning to give this show a try.
U won't be disappointed
Brilliant. Waiting for the next one.
Want to get that out before the season comes out.
Great video, thanks! When do you plan to release a follow up video?
Should be out next week. Might do one more season 5 preview, but the ring gates/builders video will be coming as well.
Can't wait!
Solid work bro. Thanks
9:15 So....those LEGIT look like the Husks from "Mass Effect" not gonna lie lmao
I have listened to the Expanse series (Audible books) 4 or 5 times now and I never knew there was a series. I shall be very interested to see their interpretation. What I see here looks really good.
Let me know what you think of the show so far!
Well done, Pete!
Thanks. Can't wait for season 5!
@@PetePeppers1 you and me both! Best show on TV today.
Oh my! I love this show and no one is talking about it. Thanks for the vid.
Love this show. Great video.
One plot hole from the books and tv show that I have never quite been able to reconcile is how the moon Phoebe could have been caught in Saturn's gravity. Based on what has been shown with the capabilities of the protomolecule, it can perform movement without propulsion. Some type of interialess drive. So it stands to reason that it should have been able to easily navigate our solar system before targeting Earth. A couple of possibilities is that it malfunctioned in some way. But my theory is that when the ring builders were fighting against the dimensional aliens is that they may have sent out some signal to make any other protomolecule probes go inert or into some standby mode to ensure no more gates came online. Curious what other people might be thinking about that.
And of course, great show!
The PM stored in Phoebe was inert, awaiting a powerful impact into a planet (Earth) and subsequent exposure to biological life. Phoebe was just a dumb delivery system flung at Earth billions of years ago.
Eros was different: the PM had all the biomass and energy it needed to commandeer a large asteroid, but at great cost. When the crew on the Roci estimates the energy usage the PM needs, it was just a guess based on the waste heat they could measure, which for something as massive as Eros was in the range of exojoules (10^18). That’s not something Eros can sustain for long, certainly not something that could continue to work for billions of years.
Spoiler season 4: The machines on Ilus/New Terra were dormant for a billion years and were breaking down when started back up. If the PM had to do massive, coordinated work when it entered the solar system, it would have to be built into something complex and functional, yet dormant for millennia. It would be far more practical to have the PM in a hardy, basic, dormant state awaiting a catastrophically energetic event like an asteroid impact before it would get activated.
It’s plausible that many similar Phoebe-like asteroids were flung about by the Builders towards potential life-bearing planets that never reached their destinations. There are only about a thousand systems linked to the Ring Gate network.
In the real world today, astrophysicists are already finding many exoplanets not too far from Earth that seem to lie in the “Goldilocks Zone” where the temperature range allows water to exist in all three phases. We believe this is necessary for life, as we know it, to exist. Those Goldilocks planets do not seem particularly rare. Perhaps the Builders had tens or hundreds of thousands of candidate planets and only needed a small percentage of PM to succeed for their aims.
Maybe the probes don't have a power source (you'd need it to last for thousands of years minimum) and rely on the target star's power to activate. And Phoebe simply got stuck too far from Sun to trigger that phase.
@@AndrewCZ47 Being inside the rock also would prevent that. It would make sense if the delivery system was designed such that a catastrophic and energetic event like an asteroid impact was a necessary first step to "turn on" the PM and start the process to consume organic life on a planet.
I think the protomolecule on ancient Phoebe was just protomolecule only, without any self-replicating mass available to hijack. The protomolecule alone can’t do anything…it’s like software that doesn’t have a computer to run on. The self-replicating mass provides the computer, in this analogy.
Awesome vid. Can't wait for the next one.
I really wanted to make a video about the ring gates and the builders, but thought it made sense to make this one first. Second part should be out next week.
13:00 After Naomi was unable to destroy it... The plan was to launch the rocked with last sample into the Sun, and Naomi choose not to do that and hit the rocket with the PM sample, nothing indicated that she was unable to destroy it.
She was unable to bring herself to destroy it. She wanted the Belt to be able to use it to negotiate for their survival.
Great video! Man wish I saw first half of this while I was watching first couple of seasons. Completely missed that it was sent 2 billion years ago and its missions was stopped by Saturn's gravity.
"A set of free-floating instructions designed to adapt and guide other replicating systems."
Basically, a virus.
That's one way to see it, a virus for humans, a self assembling, self repairing replicating organic device to build a sub-spatial portal.
Quite ingenious really, if you had a long life-span but could not travel faster than light, just send seeds all over to build gateways to your home system. The problem with this however starts when one of your seeds ends in a system already populated by a more advanced race than yours and they may not take kindly to your idea of destroying their world and its population so you can have a gateway.
Well, yes and no. The sole „function“ of a virus is self-replication. It doesn‘t go beyond that. The protomolecule uses its hosts similarly to a virus for replication, but that‘s only the comparatively humble beginning of what it does. It‘s a means to an end. The function of self-replication is a far cry from taking control over the host, communicating with other specimen in what is referred to here as a hive-mind and ultimately physically build a specific technological structure - any macro-scale structure at all. That this particular structure is highly sophisticated and can launch itself from a planet, move to an apparently specific position in the solar system and then transform itself into another structure that remotely „logs“ itself into a network of interstellar portals only is the tip of the iceberg here - although, admittedly, a „tip“ that comes in the form of a staggeringly tall tower...
Therefore, instead of a virus, I‘d rather compare it to the most sophisticated and comprehensive .zip-file imaginable, wrapped in something that functionally resembles more a computer- than a biological virus in that it not only replicates itself, but also unpacks and launches the .exe contained in it.
@@christianosminroden7878 Protomolecule.exe has stopped working, please contact your universe administrator. If problem persists reinstall galaxy. BSOD
@@christianosminroden7878 that is great comparison/explanation. I personally see it as a multitool that combines characteristics of biological virus (hijacks another self replicating system to replicate itself), computer virus (has a programmed goal and a set of instructions on how to do it) and a 3D printer (since it can build anything you code it to)
@Perko Sherry Thank you? I think?
We live in interesting times.
Great stuff brother! Keep it up
Thanks. Editing another season 5 preview video right now.
thank - you .
Reminds me of Protoculture from 80's anime Super Dimension Fortress Macross, where the Protoculture was a fuel source for invading aliens to create robotic transformation ships that could fold space. In US the series was called Robotech.
nice job on this thank you
Protomolecule, this is a good video about it.
As a reader of Donaldson's Gap series can see the parallel between the proto-molecule and the Amnion mutagen .
Thank you
12:17 "The PM appeared to be a message in a bottle, but one that included its own grammar books and instruction tutorials."
That passage is ironic, because Cortazar says the exact opposite in the show. He describes the PM as a tree of life apart from our own and that "it didn't come with an instruction manual".
I hear what you're saying, but I don't think he's claiming to understand the instruction tutorials in the Vital Abyss.
part of a "tree of life".
Cortazar meant that it didn’t come with an instruction manual for the humans trying to understand its design and purpose. Dresden said “we can only learn from it, by watching *it* learn.”
4:33 I guess he used that process on my ex-girlfriend, too. That explains a lot.
Can't stop the work
Thank you for this
The ACTUAL Phisics of "Burns and Turns" though!?! And the "Rods of Gods" Hull Busting, Ship destroying, Anti-Explodable Ordinance?!? HELLS YEAH!!! 😃😃😃
Would you know if there are any talks or plans to do the last 3 books as a series?
Started watching this way back. I kinda really wanted to watch the whole thing. 3 more books to go 👍. Only saw first season about halfway through the second episode dang. Think I’ll look for the books 👍.
10:34 Halo theme plays in background
I started to watch the EXPANSE back sometime in 2019?? and then stopped.. and then binge watched the series where I left off over the last few weeks... so I am having to go back and remember all those confusing details about that. I started to re-watch season one but it helps to have these breakdowns cause.. this is a very complicated series! LOL
Glad the videos are helping to keep track of everything.
Reminds me of the beast from homeworld cataclysm
We need a book discuss only for 7,8 and 9 when that comes out.
Absolutely.
Yay. Book 8 was my favorite, and I’m really hoping that 9 will take its place as my new favorite. I’m also hoping 9 comes out before season 6; wherever season 6 ends, I’d like to know the ending of the book series first.
@@archmaesterrenny9569 pretty sure Leviathan Falls (9) is supposed to be released in October. That would guarantee it was out before season 6. So excited to see how it ends.
After the series ends, to point out the similarities and differences.
I'm so excited the showrunner for this series is working so closely with the authors so that whatever the final scenes are like they won't be completely out-of-character with the books (even though it looks like we're leaving out a few really major subplots).
Can you do an explainer on why Holden always looks like he's about to break into tears?
Thanks!
Thanks
Are you going to do a follow up on this video since the series won't end the story
Intriguing.,. been hearing of the Expanse but only seen a few videos. not sure I'd enjoy it .. think I'd read the books first.
Fantastic
I don't have a problem of spoilers. I watched all 4.
Love this show. Its almost like Game of Thrones, in Space.
Big plot twist is how Holden explains that the protomolecule isn't some insidious weapon, it doesn't give a damn about humanity, it's just very advanced cement building a road.
10:13 A floating Adam Savage
Julie Mao was NOT "patient zero" where the Caliban project was concerned.
What did the bird, that kept showing up, mean? Miller saw it before the event on Eros and then when he was looking for Jullie M.
Julie I think would play a great Chell if Portal ever becomes a movie
Hola es una pregunta descolgada ... ¿en que estado o si la protomolecula o polimorfo inteligente estaba envasado ? Es ovbio que no uso a phoebe como materia prima.
This show almost reminds me of the alien universe and the wayland-yutani company. In addition, the goo David found also work as a algorithm for rapid and random mutations.
The spoiler warning is more than appreciated ! Thank you !
Thats fine and all, but how did it work and what was it made of in its initial form? What was the formula?
Also, what killed the Protomolecule builders? Are there any answers about that? Does the answer dive into the metaphysical state?
My only issue with the Venus collision is that Eros breaking up, spreading, breaking up, spreading and then hitting the planet simultaneously as it did in the books would have been truly spectacular.
This a brilliant video Pete 👊🏿
I hadnt read any of the books but couldn't wait for release date of the new season so I went straight to reading "Nemesis Games" as my first and omg 💥💥💥 I am even more hyped for this than before 😄
Just a question do you suppose if the protomolecule were to infect earth or another biomass in our system would result in anything since it's mission of making the ring is now complete?
It's part of the mystery. It seems to be programmed to build the ring and then reach out to its makers. Since they're gone it's not clear how it would adapt other than continuing to try to contact them. On the surface of Illus we saw that it built/shaped the planet, but some of the other systems don't appear to have artifacts on the planets.
Is it not akin to the monolith. A tool to accelerate life starting but needs some life to manipulate and work with. A tool with advanced self protection but can alter time and accelerate time within its own sphere of influence while using the life it finds to communicate its intent
Everytime he says protomolecule, I hear protoculture. I’m old school, grew up with things like Robotech 🙃
So many compelling stories about superviruses that reorganise organic matter and redefine intelligence/consciousness. From Halo to the Expanse and all the books, games, movies and novels in between. So much is being brought into the modern collective consciousness subliminally in increments and the public is mostly unaware, seeing it as just entertainment.
We don't have such viruses yet. So this claim of subliminal programming is false. (fingers crossed) 🤐
@@bigpharma2705 Nothing is presented in the media that doesn't already exist
@@bigpharma2705 Media placement is always an advert/show of intent. The population does not respond via protest so its now seen as acceptable to move forward.