@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan The show follows the first six books pretty closely. If you start at book seven there should be little to no confusion about what exactly is happening a side from two major differences. 1. Alex didn’t die 2. Drummer in the show is a combination of a few different book characters, including Bull, Michio Pa, and Drummer herself. However book Drummer does have a bigger role in book seven.
Totally agree, better to start with 7 than not at all. 7, 8, 9 turned out to be my favorites. There is a DEEP ache where The Expanse used to live and I was SO EXCITED to see your video this morning. Thanks Pete! What are you up to next?
Read the books, listened to the books multiple times, bingeing the series once more. Had cancer was afraid I would miss it, series and books, still here. I’m thankful to have seen it all. Thanks to everyone who had a part in pulling it off. Excellent.
It’s a blessing that a major streaming service like Amazon saved the show, funding 3 more seasons and leaving creative freedom with the show runners. Still, I’m disappointed they did so little to promote The Expanse compared to other (worse, less expensive) originals that started during the same run. If Amazon had garnered a larger following of Expanse fans, it’s likely they would have signed up to complete the final book trilogy.
@@donjon1015 Doubtful. Throw on a little makeup, gray hair, hand-wave “anti-aging drugs” and you’re good. Amazon owns the streaming rights for the next 2-3 years. My money is on Alcon shopping around for the next studio to distribute The Expanse and continue the story if Amazon is unwilling to renew the license deal.
The Expanse is such a massively satisfying ride. I tell everyone I can about it. I hope they come back with new seasons covering the stories after season 6. Of course I’ll read the books in the meantime.
Yeah, this story, and maybe most good stories, isn't really about surprises, but about how humans as a population deal with their world and each other. So a 'predictable' ending doesn't change that their path to it is entertaining, and I'd say that with the premise they set up, it was the only ending that would really make sense, which makes it a _good_ think to me, not a bad thing. As you say, subverting expectation is oversold, especially if that's all you have, it just leads to nonsensical actions to get there to keep the audience 'surprised'.
In fact, coming to think of it, they have already subverted expectations from the moment humanity reached a consensus. The human being would never allow such a thing. Just look at what is happening in Eastern Europe today. It's strange to think that Avassarala didn't strike a blow right there when Holden gave Drummer the title of president when he resigned. Other than that, the series is very good. I'm a fan of any subject that comes to space. I love watching Kerbal Space Program gameplays and I just fell into this series, which respects the laws of physics and, above all, the human being, with all its flaws and qualities.
I find it highly implausible, that Mars and Earth did not even bother to check the Laconia system for entire 30 years, even though what Duarte and his folks did is basically treason, and they (Earth and Mars) had reasons to suspect Duarte had the last sample of the protomolecule. In the show version this would be further aggravated by the fact they backstabbed 3 capital ships at the ring. So yeah, even if in the beginning Earth was too busy fixing what Marco did - Mars would never had that problem - their surface is not terraformed, so the damage would be minimal.
@@zariumsheridan3488 They sent probes through but never came back and Laconia broadcasted a continuous message of don't come in unless you want to die. Order of priorities and well getting the transport union established, dealing with remaining free navy and the hundreds of other colonies made Laconia low on the priority list. Also helps that they never did anything to draw the attention of everyone else in 30 years.
@@collecter343 Oh no, backstabbing traitors, who armed Free Navy, killed few little probes... that's it then, we tried, nothing else we can do here... Of course we're not going to send a fleet actual warships through their gate to bring them to justice. I mean how could we? We are too busy establishing the transport union. And hunting down few remaining Free Navy skiffs all 3 of them. We need to send a battle group after each and every one of them. Yeah, definitely we're too busy. And will remain busy for the next 30 years. Also, the traitors are broadcasting a scary "no trespassing" message... oh no... Of course we can't send a fleet. That would be simply impolite, rude even. Yeah, definitely agree. Totally plausible LMAO)))
@@zariumsheridan3488 Laconia has a sixth of the pre war martian navy, an immense minefield on their side of the ring. Earth has tens of billions dead and dying from meteorite impacts, mars is currently having a full review of its entire military, mass unemployment and a seriously depleted fleet. The belt still has terrorist elements and the transport union needs to coordinate control of 1300 star systems. It takes 30 years for the earth and mars coalition to return to pre war strength. More than that, the strugglings of other colonies shows that without sol support colonies tend to collapse. They expected Laconia to collapse on its own. They could not have known Laconia would have the capacity to build warships of game changing caliber. A long campaign into Laconia system just wasn't politically plausible.
The tv show really undersold the amount of people that died at each event of the books. Eros had Millions living in there not hundreds of thousands. And Billions died from the three asteroids hitting earth. The asteroids impacts also blocked the sun and prevented food from being able to grow on a big part of the planet. That's why Prax finding an alternative soy like food source was a huge deal. The Martian dream died when people realized they could just colonize other planets, and that tends to leave a weakened government and population. There was too much to do, for anyone to care about a rogue ex-Martian movement that were behaving like isolationists.
I must have watched the entire 6 seasons 5 times over, since "discovering" The Expanse earlier this year. It's phenomenal. Season 2 and 3 are perhaps my favourite. I really need to buy the books because I'd love to learn what happens 30 years after the show's ending.
Season 2 with Avasarala's hellfire threat making Errinwright piss his pants, and Season 3 Amos with the best line ever "I AM THAT GUY" are just two of the many reasons i love those 2 seasons
Started reading the books, I’ve been going through about 1 a week, getting ready to start book 6. Can’t wait to get to book 7 where I’ll have no idea what to expect
The 3x2 and 1x3 breakdown of the story arcs is a great clarification to how the authors viewed the timeline. These are the moments to breath for the characters, to settle into whoever they are after the changes of the past arc.
Yeah definitely. I finished book 3 a few weeks ago and found it weird that some people say it's 3 trilogies, because you end book 3 with a lot of questions that need answering ASAP lol. It's clearly the star of a new duology
I love how the genres each have a visual cue that is noticeable if you’re paying attention. For example, Miller’s hat is classic noir, and there’s a “shootout at high noon” moment in season 4.
Another great Expanse vid. I’m a book reader too and I implore fans to read the books. The essence of the story is the same but there are some major differences with characters and character arcs that enhance the story. I know a lot of fans don’t like show Naomi (Dominique Tipper is still amazing) but book Naomi is almost a completely different person. Earth/Mars are more sympathetic and the writers are more critical of the entire Belt and how Belters treat Inners than the show. We get a more comprehensive picture of the true nature of interplanetary relationships that I felt was neglected in the show as well.
Appreciate the surprise video. Based on all the activity on Twitter, it seems like some of the cast, crew and production team are signaling there's going to be some sort of continuation. You points about anti-aging and extended human life span to 120 years of age makes it seen entirely possible the same cast could return because they actors are in their 30s and 40s and while their characters are 70-something yet they look 40=something? (LOL) I'd like to see how that works on screen.
Avasarala is in her early 90's at the end of S6, while the actress is in her early 70's. Remember Avasarala talking to Frank DeGraff in the first season? He was talking about something she did when she was 9 yrs old and he was an adult and contemporary of her father. He must have been more than 20 yrs. older than her. So the age thing is no problem.
@@deanadewall8400 Your post makes me think about two things: 1) Out of the Rocinante crew, only 2 people reproduced, but only had 1 child each: Alex and Naomi (Filip Nagata). Although, didn't Alex remarry in the book and have another kid? So if he had 2 parents he replaced them. Naomi didn't & Holden could'nt because he has 8 parents and he's infertile after getting irradiated on Eros. (He has swimmers on ice, though due to his brief service in the military as per its protocol.) 2) Frank killed himself. He looked slightly older than Chrisjen. At a certain age elderliness starts to level off. I believe Ty & Dan used the anti aging thing as a neat plot device. Being 70 and looking 40 is a stretch. Being 70 and looking 50 is more realistic, but this is sci fi after all. Humans do die even if disease has been eradicated. Chronology catches up with them in the end.
Yeah someone mentioned how Clarissa’s monitor told her she only has 5 years to live. This might mean season 7 could take place a few years after the events of season 6. Not sure how they’ll pull that off though?
@@tmmartinesq.6216 In the books, Alex had one kid (Kit) with his 2nd wife, but never had any with his first. Of course there's that one little blurb in the book about Alex having a kid he never knew about. Frank was murdered in the show (remember Avasarala's conversation with Errinwright in S2).
@@deanadewall8400 Yeah, I never trusted a word Errinwright said. I recall the scene where Avasarala had the audacity to go visit Frank's surviving partner and she pushed into his office and found those pencils in his desk. Yeah, ok. Chrisjen wasn't the cause of Frank's death on the TV show but Frank went to his death hating her because she betrayed him. She's gotta live with him saying "I'm not going to play with you anymore...." and he made an unflattering crack about her dead father compared to her.
Keep bringing the reviews Pete. I watch all the shows you review (except Succession). You get them out pretty quick so I watch the episode, then straight to RUclips to watch your reviews to see what I may have missed or to get more backstory, etc. Maybe some Expanse book reviews? Would like to hear what you think more in depth of the last 3 books.
Ok, now, i just want to watch the whole series again. Each time a new season of The Expanse was released, after watching it i couldn't help myself but watch the series all over again from the beginning. This time, after the final season, is no different. And after that i'll read the books. I can't get enough of it.
I'm doing a re-read of the entire series & I had forgotten how much more horror was in the books, especially body horror. It's also made more clear how much the protomolecule learns, adapts & evolves which is actually terrifying to think about. I was also surprised how soon they set up & foreshadowed the ending of the book series (in book 2) I had just finished Leviathan Falls & went back to re-reading Caliban's War & there it was. I'm looking forward to seeing how much else will be meaningful in hindsight. BOOK SPOILER QUESTION/COMMENT AHEAD The only thing about the ending I found less than satisfying was the Laconia/protomolecule problem. They still had protomolecule & advanced alien tech on Laconia. It seemed if anyone was going to crack light speed space travel, it would be them & they could still be a threat. Or, the protomolecule could just escape & build the gates again. As long as it's still out there, there's still potential danger from the Unknown Agressors.
SPOILER I've read the epilogue numerous times, and it seemed like the Laconian civilization fell ages ago...but not sure how they would know that. And they're using the other universe to basically do ftl now. Yes, the Linguists are now using what u call the "unknown aggressors" to transverse the galaxy, or whatever. The PM creators were the aggressors, not the other way around, and with humans messing around with things, once again that they don't understand, then it will just end up bad. Human history has a bad way of repeating itself and never learning...
@@michalhol5971 Post Laconian expansion merely means post duartes conquest. After the ring gates fell that was the last mutually shared experience of all human world's. It makes sense it would be a language name. Doesn't mean anything about Laconia after the gates collapsed though.
I have read books 7-9 after season 6 finale and I was not lost at all. I really enjoyed it that way. Will absolutely read books 1-6 eventually. The Expanse was phenomenal. Would love to see your thoughts on the end and the epilog of the ninth book!
Book spoilers here! Something I couldn't quite understand.... why is Duarte aiming for a human hive mind (while protomolecule induced crazyness) when our individuality is what keeps the agressors from wiping out humanity?
Yeah, Jefferson Mays indeed did an incredible job narrating the audio books. Almost makes you feel he actually acted in the series and played a role as well. The way he articulated makes me sometimes feel as if some of the actors were actually influenced by him as well in the series. Anyway the audiobooks made my morning runs much more enjoyable.
He's amazing. Relistening to the first book at the moment and sometimes when he voices Miller I have to stop myself and try to remember how Thomas Jane sounds in the show, because I think it's the same voice. (It probably isn't). But he's great, so great in fact I had to start at the beginning again. I've read till book 8 myself, but own the audio books only till 6, I think. So I'll listen to Mays performance before reading book 9 and then...I'll listen again. Can't wait :D
@@Lauryll also. I don’t know whether it was season 5 or season 6. But, if you play close attention you will notice that one the belter ships has been named “the Jefferson Mays”
Just have no words this novelas/series are so good! Can’t get enough of it, I finished Leviathan falls and Tv show, started again from Persepolis rising and Tiamat’s wrath (bc why not)! I hope we get 30 y. Gap stories as well at some point as a short books. Thanks pete bring more Expanse we are down for it!
It sounds like Duarte is shaping Laconia to be something similar to the Spartan society. I read through the books once, but I think it’s time to go through it again, especially after a year after the end of Season 6. I also hope to hear something about the last three books getting made into a new series
"...my name is Amos Burton ,and I'm the guy you're going to have to go through if you're here to start trouble..."...Read the books.....That's all I'm going to say.
I listened to all the books after watching the show and it was awesome, I was able to imagine things with what we saw in the show and put a face to characters.the last 3 books are awesome along with all the novela s I hope they do the rest for TV:(
You’re right about the books and show complementing each other. The Expanse started as an RPG, and the book and the show are like two different play-throughs of the game. They get to the same place (the show gets to the same place as book 6), but the characters do different things on the way. There are things I like better about the books’ way of getting there, and things I like better about the show’s way of getting there…
What bothers me is it ends with a setback, the unlnown aggressors are still kicking around and aware that humanity is around and knows how to unalive them(technically speaking, they were successful they just didn't know it.)
Have you considered making cliff note/summary videos of the final 3 books? I know other RUclipss have tried, but honestly none that I've found have enjoyable voices to listen to. You, Alt Shift X, and Space Dock, are really the only popular RUclipsrs that do this type Expanse content AND have good radio voices, so here's to hoping. (Yes, I know there are other good channels that cover expanse, but not whose channels expand on story/summary type of content.) If anyone knows of other channels with good Expanse story content AND good radio voices, please share below.
I agree that the show and books complement each other superbly. Characters that are the same are more fleshed out and we have the familiarity of the actors portraying them (save maybe for Naomi). Finished Leviathan Falls recently in audiobook. And it did leave a void. The characters grew so much on me you do feel the sense of family that the crew of the Rocci always talks about. Gonna miss them.
They sure are, but they wanna cut corners on the budget. If The Expanse didn't cost so much, we'd have had a 10- or 13-episode season 6 and maybe a 7/8/9 adaption.
Thank you sir! I haven't read the books yet! Very much plan to! I'm actually hopefully waiting to see if a special edition complete collection set of books! No matter what I will read them! Very well done video! Thank you for still dwelling in this wonderful world of The Expanse!!
Hey Pete, could you possibly do some video for book readers on the final 3 books? Maybe a live stream discussion? I’m halfway through book 9 and I know once I’m finished I’m going to want to talk about it but no one else I know has read the books lol
I have been listening to books 7-9, which is a smart, crazy ride. I was pleasantly surprised to see many of our TV favorite characters still alive and kicking, despite the time jump.
I find that book fans seem to be overrating the impact of picking up at book 7. I'm partway into book 9 now - I intentionally waited until the show was done to avoid spoiling the ending - and the only real differences that seem to have mattered so far are: - Alex is still alive - Show Drummer combined book Drummer & book Michio Pa. With those two pieces of information, you can just move forward with the story as is. Actually, even the second piece is kind of irrelevant, since you could just ignore the intermediary presidents and imagine that Drummer has reigned as benevolent dictator the whole time, and it wouldn't change the story. I say this because I find it to be quite a chore to read a book where I already know what's going to happen. The reverse, watching a show based on a book I've read, is a much more enjoyable order to do things in. And since the differences between the books & show seem to mostly fade into irrelevance over the time jump, it seems like a chore not worth doing.
Thank you for clearing that up. That's kinda been my problem. I've started listening to the first audio book but I'm making really slow progress because it's just not that exciting when I already know the most important story beats. And compared to a tv show, which can still impress with audio, visual and acting, a book relies on the story being exciting.
Ok, so I've begun on the audio books, but book 1 is 19 hours. For comparison, the whole TV-show is 43 hours. Thanks for the video, I appreciate you kept it light on the spoilers :)
I had to rewatch the first 30 seconds like 5 times to understand what you were talking about. And looking at the most watched metrics, doesn't seem I was the only one.
Great recap, thanks. Just finished Persepolis Rising. On book 8 and enjoying the hell out it. I sincerely hope they come back and finish the series or make 2 movie specials to finish. Only TV I really loved watching.
The final books need to be put on screen. This show and book series are just so good. All the trash out there like Wheel of Time and Foundation and we have this masterpiece just ready to continue.
Loved the conclusion to the series, both book and show. Audiobooks are excellent and I re-listen to them periodically. I recommend them all. Amos, the survivor.
Great video. I have watched all the TV series. What a smart show, great casting, great characters, great story and talk about diverse casting done right. Will definitely be jumping in on book 7. As i definitely can't wait for if they do another series or films etc. I did the same thing with GOT jumped in on A Feast For Crows because i couldn't wait for the next series to come out. Best thing i ever did. You are right about being disorientated for a bit. But soon as you read a few chapters your brain catches up 👍
When I heard that there was a 30 year time jump I didn't want the show to continue since I thought the would have an entire new cast, but now that I know they have age slowing medicine I'm all for new seasons or movies. I really liked this series I hope we get more from it.
Imo, another possible hint that they might shorten the time window between the end of the series and the next trilogy is in one scene in the last episode when Clarissa (who is still alive 30 years later, albeit in worse health) is checking her health in an autodoc and sees that her average life expectancy is shown to be about 5 years. So, to me, that was a hint that the continuation might not do the entire 30 year time jump.
I finished the last book in this amazing series about 3 weeks ago...well...the sadness from it all being over is still here, will always be here :-( that being said, top 10 all time favorite fictional universe!
In an Episode of Ty and That Guy, Ty mentions he has a meeting with JB in March. It was canceled last year due to COVID, but is slated this year. I’m going to head cannon it’s to discuss The Expanse’s future.
Nicely done video. The book series is hands down the best I've ever read. Most series suffer from escalation issues - when the author has to up the stakes making everything and everyone bigger, better, and badder. This one does not, which is in itself a singular achievement. As hinted at above there is a 'rough' transition to the final three books. I started the first one twice before I was able to make the adjustments and once I did I was glad. Those last three books are a whole worthy narrative on their own. The endings for the characters are satisfying. And the TV series consolidated characters and arcs in ways that make it enjoyable on its own. I hope the authors get a chance to bring those final three seasons (not movies, please) to our TV screens. These books and the TV series will be around decades from now.
I'm on book 6 after watching the series. The books give more internal monologue and character background, but overall the show is an excellent adaptation and pretty faithful to the novels. I'm really excited to get on to the final trilogy!
Would you say that it was worth reading the 6 books after watching the show or, do you feel like you would have been fine starting at book 7? I'm reluctant to buy 6 books if it's just for a few more details in the story.
@@Niklaos The show did diverge from the books in quite a few ways. Characters died in the show that didn't in the books, or they dies at a very different point in different circumstances, and the show merged multiple characters into 1 at times, especially during the book 3 adaptation which was squeezed into half a season. Easier to explain how x established character got there instead of introducing the intended brand new character when it's all compressed that much. I would say book 1 is optional as it just adds details, and book 2 could be skipped if you wanted to, but I would highly recommend at least starting from book 3 so you're not confused about which characters are which.
I simply don't have the time to read the final 3 books right now. Please cover them here! Otherwise I'll break down and watch someone else discussing them and they simply won't do as good of a job as you would do.
Really love your videos and appreciate the time and care you put into them to explain and promote this fabulous book series and TV show. I’m into audiobook 8 now and just keep trying to image these last 3 in movie or TV format without Alex. Functionally another character can go through his motions, but the longtime emotional connections between the main characters would be lost which is really sad to me. But I do want to see these last 3 books on screen in some form and if the same people are involved I trust they will weave their same magic to translation this awesome story to a visual medium. Best sci-fi show ever…
If you'll remember, P-M was tied to the active Protmolecule in the structure of the Roci.. He even told Holden where to find it. THey cut it out and fired it into the sun, and that's why holden all but cried when he fired off the missile or whatever. And the portion of that consciousness on the planet was snuffed out by the contact with "The BUllet"
Loved the show, and really hoping they can create a new series or at least 3 movies to complete it all. Failing that, definitely plan on reading the last 3 books if not the whole series.
I appreciate that you didn't give just plot of the books, and that this was really interesting appetizer about them. Because, it would be shame, for everyone who can, not to read the book series (including novellas too, of course). Jefferson Mays does really great job. I read everything first (mostly not English), then listened to his narration doing whatever I was doing (when this didn't need my whole focus). But for people, who don't have time to read, this is excellent alternative. Even for me, not native English speaking person, everything was perfectly understandable.
I don't care for the audiobooks. I wish we could just get a sequel or spin-off. It's interesting about anti aging 200 years from now. I doubt humans will ever live to 120 as a normal life span, even two centuries from now. What happens on Laconia is super interesting.
I really hate that no one wants to spoil the books! I liked the books up to that huge time jump, I just can`t bear that and had been unable to read on... so I never knew what happened after, even though I own the books... Does anyone else know a summary on the whole story?
I picked up with the audio books after the end of the show. The only physical book I read was Nemesis Games ahead of that season being released. The books aren't page turners, I find the audio books similar. The same character thoughts and traits are said over and over and over again, and there are almost never surprises with things happening very predictably. That goes for Persepolis Rising and Tiamat's Wrath, I haven't started Leviathan Falls yet.
I jumped in straight at book 7 after watching the show. OK, Alex being alive was a change, but I could see show Drummer being the Transport Union president in book 7, and to be honest it felt quite familiar!
I just watched the whole show from start to finish … absolutely brilliant. I not read the final 3 books yet but I no the basic plots - def Dune-level high fantasy! Would love to c them adapted for the screen at some point. Anyway, thanks for informative vids! :)
You can watch the show only and then read the books. But you're gonna end up looking up stuff that will run into spoilers. Better to read/listen to the books. You can speed it with the knowledge you have already and things makes sense. That will make Books 7-9 easier to the read, maybe not easy. They get into some very heady ideas and concepts in these books.
Just finished the 9th book today. It was such a poignant ending. Loved it all the way. It's time to get Memory's Core, and the Dragon's Tooth graphic novels when they come out.
Is there any chance there will be an adaption of the final books to tv or movies any time soon? One reason I enjoyed the Expanse tv series so much is because I didn't know what would happen and if I read the books and they finish the series on tv I will not have that.
Its really ironic that if you think about it, books 7 to 9 are really the MAIN story of The Expanse. Everything that happened up to season 6/book 6 is almost prologue/setup. If I didn't know any better, I'd swear they tried to pull a Star Wars and make the later episodes, but then ended up having to write prequels first to fund it, and but then ended up getting stuck starting from the beginning of the prequels. I really want to see them make the next three seasons (or at least the next three books) because so much of what happens in The Expanse doesn't make sense without knowing what is really behind it all. The only thing I kind of fear is that so much of what happens in the books might end up being covered in exposition, because a lot of it is kind of hard to convey in action.
I get, that for now they can't continue the story because of the 30 year time jump, but I think they could make a series in between book 6 and 7. There have to be lots of (little) stories to be told around the Rocinante's crew: visiting all the alien planets, solving conflicts between the different factions. It would be more episodic and less of a connected storyline but I think that could work. Maybe an animated series if it's too expensive to make all the alien planets look good. I was a bit disappointed of Illus in Season 4, it didn't really look 'alien' enough except for the artefacts of course, but none of the animals or plants mentioned in the books. Laconia looked nice though.
It is not often that the narrator of the audiobooks has a ship named after him in the show. Yes, he was that good. You should also read or listen to all the novellas as well. It may seem like a tall order... but it is SO worth it.
I actually got Book 7 £ 8 on Audible as they offered me another 30 day free trial, which included two freebies, so that's what I got. Only up to chapter 3 atm, but it's good! Looking forward to finishing the series!
I finished book nine this morning, Leviathan Falls, and it's a great wrap-up to the series, yet at the same time leaves a lot to be explored, should any of the authors want to do so. At least Alex gets a more fitting end in the books, I'm not sure why they killed him off at the end of the fifth series in the telly show, as it makes no sense at all. And my favorite character turns out to be a guiding force for humanity, which is pretty nice. It's hard to believe that it was over a decade that book one came out, a month before the fifth volume of the Ice and Fire novels, if I remember correctly. When I finished reading Leviathan Wakes back then, all I could think of was, where is this going next?!!?!?
Imagine if they killed him off for no reason. Still not even sure I would care... I mean he's an actor, lots of them are narcissitic as fuck and completely different people from what we see anyway. It's entertainment.
@@CoffeeFiend1 unforutnately hsi behavior (corroborated now far past any doubt) was egregiously bad enough to pretty much force the hand of the writers/showrunner. It wouldnt make any sense at all to try and recast the role for one 6 episode arc. Can Anvar had a huge role involved in helping to get hold of Bezos and push the show continuing; it is truly sad/upsetting that a man who would have been hailed as a hero among the Screaming FIrehawks, is now far beyond mere Persona Non Grata; you might say that we are all trying to forget he ever existed. No one even wants to mention his name anymore. At least it wasnt as catastrophic as the Kevin Spacey/House of Cards disaster
When (not if 😋) The Expanse returns, do we see them doing a massive book accurate 30 year timeskip, or would this be altered for television for practical reasons?
Iirc Clarissa is checking her health in an autodoc in 6x6 and her life expectancy is shown to be about 5 years, and seeing as she is still alive 30 years later in the books, that might be a hint.
Can’t tell you how many times I felt like a book series had out lived it’s story. Not The Expanse - the last three books are fantastic. Normally that would satisfy me but - I would love three more seasons of the show. All the actors are wonderful and their characters for the most part had fitting endings.
I’ve loved all you talks on the expanse but this is one I will not be watching. I don’t want even a hint about what is going to happen. I’m currently halfway through Nemesis Games, btw is turning out to be my favorite so far. The action and suspense is amazing. I am excited about reading the last three books without any expectations of what will happen. Don’t worry thou I will for sure come back and watch this vid as soon as I’m done reading the last trilogy. Thanks again for all your great content.
That 3 decade gap could be easily be explored by bringing in younger characters outside of the Roci. The new characters would be from different parts of Sol and from the different colonies. And a tragic event forces them together. Maybe a terrorist attack on civilian transport that is damaged. And these characters are forced to work together to escape and we know nothing about how can they deal with the situation. And they later become instrumental in the rest of the books…
You really should read the Expanse books to see how things end.
If you watched the series, do you already pretty much know what happens in the books?
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan The show follows the first six books pretty closely. If you start at book seven there should be little to no confusion about what exactly is happening a side from two major differences.
1. Alex didn’t die
2. Drummer in the show is a combination of a few different book characters, including Bull, Michio Pa, and Drummer herself. However book Drummer does have a bigger role in book seven.
Totally agree, better to start with 7 than not at all. 7, 8, 9 turned out to be my favorites. There is a DEEP ache where The Expanse used to live and I was SO EXCITED to see your video this morning. Thanks Pete! What are you up to next?
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan Not completely, and only up to a certain point.
Who's got time to read? I want to watch!
Read the books, listened to the books multiple times, bingeing the series once more. Had cancer was afraid I would miss it, series and books, still here. I’m thankful to have seen it all. Thanks to everyone who had a part in pulling it off. Excellent.
I'm glad you're still with us buddy.
@@stevecollins9650 Thnak you very much
I suffered a major heart attack and worried about the same thing. I have a family... 😂
@@sofabuddha Good health and long life, and three more seasons!
Hope you’re feeling better. Live long and prosper:)
So stoked you're still doing Expanse videos, never stop
I give him ad revenue with pleasure
We still need Pete to inform us about the efforts to get books 7-9 on the screen.
It’s a blessing that a major streaming service like Amazon saved the show, funding 3 more seasons and leaving creative freedom with the show runners. Still, I’m disappointed they did so little to promote The Expanse compared to other (worse, less expensive) originals that started during the same run. If Amazon had garnered a larger following of Expanse fans, it’s likely they would have signed up to complete the final book trilogy.
Seems like they plan on finishing it just waiting for the actors to get older for the story
@@donjon1015 Doubtful. Throw on a little makeup, gray hair, hand-wave “anti-aging drugs” and you’re good. Amazon owns the streaming rights for the next 2-3 years. My money is on Alcon shopping around for the next studio to distribute The Expanse and continue the story if Amazon is unwilling to renew the license deal.
@@sircrapalot9954 no need for anti aging drugs if they can just say human lifespan is 100 plus years
@@username.exenotfound2943 One of the reasons lifespans are so long in The Expanse is due to the anti-aging drugs mentioned in the books.
Bazos was too busy cheating on his wife and guarding his riches during his divorce to shepherd The Expanse.
The Expanse is such a massively satisfying ride. I tell everyone I can about it. I hope they come back with new seasons covering the stories after season 6. Of course I’ll read the books in the meantime.
People complaining about the ending being predictable sounds like they've already forgotten the lessons from GoT about "subverting expectations."
Yeah, this story, and maybe most good stories, isn't really about surprises, but about how humans as a population deal with their world and each other. So a 'predictable' ending doesn't change that their path to it is entertaining, and I'd say that with the premise they set up, it was the only ending that would really make sense, which makes it a _good_ think to me, not a bad thing. As you say, subverting expectation is oversold, especially if that's all you have, it just leads to nonsensical actions to get there to keep the audience 'surprised'.
In fact, coming to think of it, they have already subverted expectations from the moment humanity reached a consensus. The human being would never allow such a thing. Just look at what is happening in Eastern Europe today. It's strange to think that Avassarala didn't strike a blow right there when Holden gave Drummer the title of president when he resigned. Other than that, the series is very good. I'm a fan of any subject that comes to space. I love watching Kerbal Space Program gameplays and I just fell into this series, which respects the laws of physics and, above all, the human being, with all its flaws and qualities.
FYI "Laconia" is the region of Greece where ancient Sparta was located. Hence the militarism of the Duarte and pals
I find it highly implausible, that Mars and Earth did not even bother to check the Laconia system for entire 30 years, even though what Duarte and his folks did is basically treason, and they (Earth and Mars) had reasons to suspect Duarte had the last sample of the protomolecule. In the show version this would be further aggravated by the fact they backstabbed 3 capital ships at the ring. So yeah, even if in the beginning Earth was too busy fixing what Marco did - Mars would never had that problem - their surface is not terraformed, so the damage would be minimal.
@@zariumsheridan3488 They sent probes through but never came back and Laconia broadcasted a continuous message of don't come in unless you want to die. Order of priorities and well getting the transport union established, dealing with remaining free navy and the hundreds of other colonies made Laconia low on the priority list. Also helps that they never did anything to draw the attention of everyone else in 30 years.
@@collecter343 Oh no, backstabbing traitors, who armed Free Navy, killed few little probes... that's it then, we tried, nothing else we can do here... Of course we're not going to send a fleet actual warships through their gate to bring them to justice. I mean how could we? We are too busy establishing the transport union. And hunting down few remaining Free Navy skiffs all 3 of them. We need to send a battle group after each and every one of them. Yeah, definitely we're too busy. And will remain busy for the next 30 years. Also, the traitors are broadcasting a scary "no trespassing" message... oh no... Of course we can't send a fleet. That would be simply impolite, rude even. Yeah, definitely agree. Totally plausible LMAO)))
@@zariumsheridan3488 Laconia has a sixth of the pre war martian navy, an immense minefield on their side of the ring. Earth has tens of billions dead and dying from meteorite impacts, mars is currently having a full review of its entire military, mass unemployment and a seriously depleted fleet.
The belt still has terrorist elements and the transport union needs to coordinate control of 1300 star systems.
It takes 30 years for the earth and mars coalition to return to pre war strength.
More than that, the strugglings of other colonies shows that without sol support colonies tend to collapse. They expected Laconia to collapse on its own. They could not have known Laconia would have the capacity to build warships of game changing caliber.
A long campaign into Laconia system just wasn't politically plausible.
The tv show really undersold the amount of people that died at each event of the books. Eros had Millions living in there not hundreds of thousands. And Billions died from the three asteroids hitting earth. The asteroids impacts also blocked the sun and prevented food from being able to grow on a big part of the planet. That's why Prax finding an alternative soy like food source was a huge deal. The Martian dream died when people realized they could just colonize other planets, and that tends to leave a weakened government and population. There was too much to do, for anyone to care about a rogue ex-Martian movement that were behaving like isolationists.
I must have watched the entire 6 seasons 5 times over, since "discovering" The Expanse earlier this year. It's phenomenal. Season 2 and 3 are perhaps my favourite. I really need to buy the books because I'd love to learn what happens 30 years after the show's ending.
Get the books! I bought them when I got to season 6 and discovered it was the last. I’ve finished the first two in like 2.5 weeks
Season 2 with Avasarala's hellfire threat making Errinwright piss his pants, and Season 3 Amos with the best line ever "I AM THAT GUY" are just two of the many reasons i love those 2 seasons
Started reading the books, I’ve been going through about 1 a week, getting ready to start book 6. Can’t wait to get to book 7 where I’ll have no idea what to expect
The 3x2 and 1x3 breakdown of the story arcs is a great clarification to how the authors viewed the timeline. These are the moments to breath for the characters, to settle into whoever they are after the changes of the past arc.
Yeah definitely. I finished book 3 a few weeks ago and found it weird that some people say it's 3 trilogies, because you end book 3 with a lot of questions that need answering ASAP lol. It's clearly the star of a new duology
I love how the genres each have a visual cue that is noticeable if you’re paying attention. For example, Miller’s hat is classic noir, and there’s a “shootout at high noon” moment in season 4.
Another great Expanse vid. I’m a book reader too and I implore fans to read the books. The essence of the story is the same but there are some major differences with characters and character arcs that enhance the story.
I know a lot of fans don’t like show Naomi (Dominique Tipper is still amazing) but book Naomi is almost a completely different person. Earth/Mars are more sympathetic and the writers are more critical of the entire Belt and how Belters treat Inners than the show. We get a more comprehensive picture of the true nature of interplanetary relationships that I felt was neglected in the show as well.
Appreciate the surprise video. Based on all the activity on Twitter, it seems like some of the cast, crew and production team are signaling there's going to be some sort of continuation. You points about anti-aging and extended human life span to 120 years of age makes it seen entirely possible the same cast could return because they actors are in their 30s and 40s and while their characters are 70-something yet they look 40=something? (LOL) I'd like to see how that works on screen.
Avasarala is in her early 90's at the end of S6, while the actress is in her early 70's. Remember Avasarala talking to Frank DeGraff in the first season? He was talking about something she did when she was 9 yrs old and he was an adult and contemporary of her father. He must have been more than 20 yrs. older than her. So the age thing is no problem.
@@deanadewall8400 Your post makes me think about two things: 1) Out of the Rocinante crew, only 2 people reproduced, but only had 1 child each: Alex and Naomi (Filip Nagata). Although, didn't Alex remarry in the book and have another kid? So if he had 2 parents he replaced them. Naomi didn't & Holden could'nt because he has 8 parents and he's infertile after getting irradiated on Eros. (He has swimmers on ice, though due to his brief service in the military as per its protocol.) 2) Frank killed himself. He looked slightly older than Chrisjen. At a certain age elderliness starts to level off. I believe Ty & Dan used the anti aging thing as a neat plot device. Being 70 and looking 40 is a stretch. Being 70 and looking 50 is more realistic, but this is sci fi after all. Humans do die even if disease has been eradicated. Chronology catches up with them in the end.
Yeah someone mentioned how Clarissa’s monitor told her she only has 5 years to live.
This might mean season 7 could take place a few years after the events of season 6. Not sure how they’ll pull that off though?
@@tmmartinesq.6216 In the books, Alex had one kid (Kit) with his 2nd wife, but never had any with his first. Of course there's that one little blurb in the book about Alex having a kid he never knew about. Frank was murdered in the show (remember Avasarala's conversation with Errinwright in S2).
@@deanadewall8400 Yeah, I never trusted a word Errinwright said. I recall the scene where Avasarala had the audacity to go visit Frank's surviving partner and she pushed into his office and found those pencils in his desk. Yeah, ok. Chrisjen wasn't the cause of Frank's death on the TV show but Frank went to his death hating her because she betrayed him. She's gotta live with him saying "I'm not going to play with you anymore...." and he made an unflattering crack about her dead father compared to her.
Keep bringing the reviews Pete. I watch all the shows you review (except Succession). You get them out pretty quick so I watch the episode, then straight to RUclips to watch your reviews to see what I may have missed or to get more backstory, etc. Maybe some Expanse book reviews? Would like to hear what you think more in depth of the last 3 books.
Ok, now, i just want to watch the whole series again. Each time a new season of The Expanse was released, after watching it i couldn't help myself but watch the series all over again from the beginning. This time, after the final season, is no different. And after that i'll read the books. I can't get enough of it.
The audio books are great. Some of the best I've ever listened to
I’ll tell you what happens, I’m halfway through book 7 and it’s the most riveting read I’ve ever had. It’s awesome.
Am half-way through Leviathan Falls and it's still awesome, except now I'm sad because it's almost over...
Last three books are all magnificent
Tiamat's Wrath is the best book in the series
Absolutely loved the series, books and show. That epilogue was the bees knees and now I want even more.
I'm doing a re-read of the entire series & I had forgotten how much more horror was in the books, especially body horror. It's also made more clear how much the protomolecule learns, adapts & evolves which is actually terrifying to think about. I was also surprised how soon they set up & foreshadowed the ending of the book series (in book 2) I had just finished Leviathan Falls & went back to re-reading Caliban's War & there it was. I'm looking forward to seeing how much else will be meaningful in hindsight. BOOK SPOILER QUESTION/COMMENT AHEAD
The only thing about the ending I found less than satisfying was the Laconia/protomolecule problem. They still had protomolecule & advanced alien tech on Laconia. It seemed if anyone was going to crack light speed space travel, it would be them & they could still be a threat. Or, the protomolecule could just escape & build the gates again. As long as it's still out there, there's still potential danger from the Unknown Agressors.
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I've read the epilogue numerous times, and it seemed like the Laconian civilization fell ages ago...but not sure how they would know that. And they're using the other universe to basically do ftl now. Yes, the Linguists are now using what u call the "unknown aggressors" to transverse the galaxy, or whatever. The PM creators were the aggressors, not the other way around, and with humans messing around with things, once again that they don't understand, then it will just end up bad. Human history has a bad way of repeating itself and never learning...
@@deanadewall8400 what suggests that Laconia fell?
@@will2brown50 Check out the language that the Linguist described to his pod
@@michalhol5971 Post Laconian expansion merely means post duartes conquest.
After the ring gates fell that was the last mutually shared experience of all human world's. It makes sense it would be a language name. Doesn't mean anything about Laconia after the gates collapsed though.
I have read books 7-9 after season 6 finale and I was not lost at all. I really enjoyed it that way. Will absolutely read books 1-6 eventually. The Expanse was phenomenal. Would love to see your thoughts on the end and the epilog of the ninth book!
Book spoilers here!
Something I couldn't quite understand.... why is Duarte aiming for a human hive mind (while protomolecule induced crazyness) when our individuality is what keeps the agressors from wiping out humanity?
Yeah, Jefferson Mays indeed did an incredible job narrating the audio books. Almost makes you feel he actually acted in the series and played a role as well. The way he articulated makes me sometimes feel as if some of the actors were actually influenced by him as well in the series. Anyway the audiobooks made my morning runs much more enjoyable.
He's amazing. Relistening to the first book at the moment and sometimes when he voices Miller I have to stop myself and try to remember how Thomas Jane sounds in the show, because I think it's the same voice. (It probably isn't). But he's great, so great in fact I had to start at the beginning again. I've read till book 8 myself, but own the audio books only till 6, I think. So I'll listen to Mays performance before reading book 9 and then...I'll listen again. Can't wait :D
@@Lauryll also. I don’t know whether it was season 5 or season 6. But, if you play close attention you will notice that one the belter ships has been named “the Jefferson Mays”
Just have no words this novelas/series are so good! Can’t get enough of it, I finished Leviathan falls and Tv show, started again from Persepolis rising and Tiamat’s wrath (bc why not)! I hope we get 30 y. Gap stories as well at some point as a short books. Thanks pete bring more Expanse we are down for it!
It sounds like Duarte is shaping Laconia to be something similar to the Spartan society.
I read through the books once, but I think it’s time to go through it again, especially after a year after the end of Season 6.
I also hope to hear something about the last three books getting made into a new series
"...my name is Amos Burton ,and I'm the guy you're going to have to go through if you're here to start trouble..."...Read the books.....That's all I'm going to say.
every fan of the show must read the books...it's so worth it!
I listened to all the books after watching the show and it was awesome, I was able to imagine things with what we saw in the show and put a face to characters.the last 3 books are awesome along with all the novela s I hope they do the rest for TV:(
You’re right about the books and show complementing each other. The Expanse started as an RPG, and the book and the show are like two different play-throughs of the game. They get to the same place (the show gets to the same place as book 6), but the characters do different things on the way. There are things I like better about the books’ way of getting there, and things I like better about the show’s way of getting there…
What bothers me is it ends with a setback, the unlnown aggressors are still kicking around and aware that humanity is around and knows how to unalive them(technically speaking, they were successful they just didn't know it.)
Have you considered making cliff note/summary videos of the final 3 books?
I know other RUclipss have tried, but honestly none that I've found have enjoyable voices to listen to.
You, Alt Shift X, and Space Dock, are really the only popular RUclipsrs that do this type Expanse content AND have good radio voices, so here's to hoping.
(Yes, I know there are other good channels that cover expanse, but not whose channels expand on story/summary type of content.)
If anyone knows of other channels with good Expanse story content AND good radio voices, please share below.
I agree that the show and books complement each other superbly. Characters that are the same are more fleshed out and we have the familiarity of the actors portraying them (save maybe for Naomi).
Finished Leviathan Falls recently in audiobook. And it did leave a void. The characters grew so much on me you do feel the sense of family that the crew of the Rocci always talks about.
Gonna miss them.
Hollywood is so creatively bankrupt and desperate for winning IPs there's no way they don't make seasons 7 8 &9.
They sure are, but they wanna cut corners on the budget. If The Expanse didn't cost so much, we'd have had a 10- or 13-episode season 6 and maybe a 7/8/9 adaption.
I’m 3/4 through book seven and it’s unreal. Loving it.
When you said "internet hive mind" I paused a bit lol *wink*
A planet named "Laconia" should kind of give away that the government there might just be into that whole military dictatorship thing.
They won't be saying much about it, though.
Thank you sir! I haven't read the books yet! Very much plan to! I'm actually hopefully waiting to see if a special edition complete collection set of books!
No matter what I will read them!
Very well done video! Thank you for still dwelling in this wonderful world of The Expanse!!
Keep these coming!
Marco took away this show with him, even after he vanished, we are still feeling the effect, because our Expanse is gone. Dame you Marco!
Hey Pete, could you possibly do some video for book readers on the final 3 books? Maybe a live stream discussion? I’m halfway through book 9 and I know once I’m finished I’m going to want to talk about it but no one else I know has read the books lol
I sooooo hear you. I read them all and absorbed book 9 all too quickly. Pete's recaps were an outlet for me.
This is great Idea. I am in for it.
I felt the same way
I have been listening to books 7-9, which is a smart, crazy ride. I was pleasantly surprised to see many of our TV favorite characters still alive and kicking, despite the time jump.
I find that book fans seem to be overrating the impact of picking up at book 7. I'm partway into book 9 now - I intentionally waited until the show was done to avoid spoiling the ending - and the only real differences that seem to have mattered so far are:
- Alex is still alive
- Show Drummer combined book Drummer & book Michio Pa.
With those two pieces of information, you can just move forward with the story as is. Actually, even the second piece is kind of irrelevant, since you could just ignore the intermediary presidents and imagine that Drummer has reigned as benevolent dictator the whole time, and it wouldn't change the story.
I say this because I find it to be quite a chore to read a book where I already know what's going to happen. The reverse, watching a show based on a book I've read, is a much more enjoyable order to do things in. And since the differences between the books & show seem to mostly fade into irrelevance over the time jump, it seems like a chore not worth doing.
Thank you for clearing that up. That's kinda been my problem. I've started listening to the first audio book but I'm making really slow progress because it's just not that exciting when I already know the most important story beats. And compared to a tv show, which can still impress with audio, visual and acting, a book relies on the story being exciting.
I find the simplest think to do is swap the names of Drummer and Pa form TV, and you'll be closer to the books.
Ok, so I've begun on the audio books, but book 1 is 19 hours. For comparison, the whole TV-show is 43 hours. Thanks for the video, I appreciate you kept it light on the spoilers :)
Started at books on and love it. I just wish I had started sooner.
I had to rewatch the first 30 seconds like 5 times to understand what you were talking about. And looking at the most watched metrics, doesn't seem I was the only one.
*THE LINGUIST* Epilogue part of book 9 is honestly the best thing I've ever read...
Great recap, thanks. Just finished Persepolis Rising. On book 8 and enjoying the hell out it. I sincerely hope they come back and finish the series or make 2 movie specials to finish. Only TV I really loved watching.
The final books need to be put on screen. This show and book series are just so good. All the trash out there like Wheel of Time and Foundation and we have this masterpiece just ready to continue.
Loved the conclusion to the series, both book and show. Audiobooks are excellent and I re-listen to them periodically. I recommend them all. Amos, the survivor.
Great video. I have watched all the TV series. What a smart show, great casting, great characters, great story and talk about diverse casting done right. Will definitely be jumping in on book 7. As i definitely can't wait for if they do another series or films etc. I did the same thing with GOT jumped in on A Feast For Crows because i couldn't wait for the next series to come out. Best thing i ever did. You are right about being disorientated for a bit. But soon as you read a few chapters your brain catches up 👍
When I heard that there was a 30 year time jump I didn't want the show to continue since I thought the would have an entire new cast, but now that I know they have age slowing medicine I'm all for new seasons or movies. I really liked this series I hope we get more from it.
Imo, another possible hint that they might shorten the time window between the end of the series and the next trilogy is in one scene in the last episode when Clarissa (who is still alive 30 years later, albeit in worse health) is checking her health in an autodoc and sees that her average life expectancy is shown to be about 5 years.
So, to me, that was a hint that the continuation might not do the entire 30 year time jump.
Longevity meds extends their usefulness and knock 10 years off the timeline
I finished the last book in this amazing series about 3 weeks ago...well...the sadness from it all being over is still here, will always be here :-( that being said, top 10 all time favorite fictional universe!
'I'm doing that, so I'll have something to talk about." Hahahaha, go Pete!
Couldn't have said it better.
Hope you can start a book only podcast. Would love it.
This is one of the greats!
In an Episode of Ty and That Guy, Ty mentions he has a meeting with JB in March. It was canceled last year due to COVID, but is slated this year. I’m going to head cannon it’s to discuss The Expanse’s future.
Nicely done video. The book series is hands down the best I've ever read. Most series suffer from escalation issues - when the author has to up the stakes making everything and everyone bigger, better, and badder. This one does not, which is in itself a singular achievement. As hinted at above there is a 'rough' transition to the final three books. I started the first one twice before I was able to make the adjustments and once I did I was glad. Those last three books are a whole worthy narrative on their own. The endings for the characters are satisfying. And the TV series consolidated characters and arcs in ways that make it enjoyable on its own. I hope the authors get a chance to bring those final three seasons (not movies, please) to our TV screens. These books and the TV series will be around decades from now.
I'm on book 6 after watching the series. The books give more internal monologue and character background, but overall the show is an excellent adaptation and pretty faithful to the novels. I'm really excited to get on to the final trilogy!
Would you say that it was worth reading the 6 books after watching the show or, do you feel like you would have been fine starting at book 7? I'm reluctant to buy 6 books if it's just for a few more details in the story.
@@Niklaos The show did diverge from the books in quite a few ways. Characters died in the show that didn't in the books, or they dies at a very different point in different circumstances, and the show merged multiple characters into 1 at times, especially during the book 3 adaptation which was squeezed into half a season. Easier to explain how x established character got there instead of introducing the intended brand new character when it's all compressed that much.
I would say book 1 is optional as it just adds details, and book 2 could be skipped if you wanted to, but I would highly recommend at least starting from book 3 so you're not confused about which characters are which.
@@normalmighty Thanks, that's helpful!
Tiamats Wrath broke my heart multiple times.
i can only wish to see remaining books as show, but nevetheless now i'm going to finish it by reading the books because of this explanation
We’ll done Man!
The books are legendary and the show was so well done. I have to do them all again soon
Yeah I listened to the audio books after season 6. Fantastic.
Loved the series and your videos so much that I bought the first book. I’m loving the book, too. Thank you.
Enjoy
I simply don't have the time to read the final 3 books right now. Please cover them here! Otherwise I'll break down and watch someone else discussing them and they simply won't do as good of a job as you would do.
I hope stargate is next on amazon vidios.
Really love your videos and appreciate the time and care you put into them to explain and promote this fabulous book series and TV show. I’m into audiobook 8 now and just keep trying to image these last 3 in movie or TV format without Alex. Functionally another character can go through his motions, but the longtime emotional connections between the main characters would be lost which is really sad to me. But I do want to see these last 3 books on screen in some form and if the same people are involved I trust they will weave their same magic to translation this awesome story to a visual medium. Best sci-fi show ever…
Nice vid! Can you explain what became of proto-Miller after what we've seen? Did he ever re appear to Holden?
If you'll remember, P-M was tied to the active Protmolecule in the structure of the Roci.. He even told Holden where to find it. THey cut it out and fired it into the sun, and that's why holden all but cried when he fired off the missile or whatever. And the portion of that consciousness on the planet was snuffed out by the contact with "The BUllet"
Yes
Loved the show, and really hoping they can create a new series or at least 3 movies to complete it all. Failing that, definitely plan on reading the last 3 books if not the whole series.
I appreciate that you didn't give just plot of the books, and that this was really interesting appetizer about them. Because, it would be shame, for everyone who can, not to read the book series (including novellas too, of course).
Jefferson Mays does really great job.
I read everything first (mostly not English), then listened to his narration doing whatever I was doing (when this didn't need my whole focus).
But for people, who don't have time to read, this is excellent alternative. Even for me, not native English speaking person, everything was perfectly understandable.
I don't care for the audiobooks. I wish we could just get a sequel or spin-off. It's interesting about anti aging 200 years from now. I doubt humans will ever live to 120 as a normal life span, even two centuries from now. What happens on Laconia is super interesting.
I’ve finished book 7 which is great! The scripts for a new season don’t need to reveal the plot is happening 30 yrs after! IMHO
We NEED to have a series of this. a proper founded one.
I'm good with 6 more seasons, 4 episodes per season and making each episode 1.5hr.
WHO'S WITH ME?!
I really hate that no one wants to spoil the books! I liked the books up to that huge time jump, I just can`t bear that and had been unable to read on... so I never knew what happened after, even though I own the books... Does anyone else know a summary on the whole story?
Thanks Pete!
I picked up with the audio books after the end of the show. The only physical book I read was Nemesis Games ahead of that season being released. The books aren't page turners, I find the audio books similar. The same character thoughts and traits are said over and over and over again, and there are almost never surprises with things happening very predictably. That goes for Persepolis Rising and Tiamat's Wrath, I haven't started Leviathan Falls yet.
I jumped in straight at book 7 after watching the show. OK, Alex being alive was a change, but I could see show Drummer being the Transport Union president in book 7, and to be honest it felt quite familiar!
I just watched the whole show from start to finish … absolutely brilliant. I not read the final 3 books yet but I no the basic plots - def Dune-level high fantasy! Would love to c them adapted for the screen at some point. Anyway, thanks for informative vids! :)
The ending of book nine made sense but I was sad from it. Wouldn’t change the ending. It just made me sad.
You can watch the show only and then read the books. But you're gonna end up looking up stuff that will run into spoilers.
Better to read/listen to the books. You can speed it with the knowledge you have already and things makes sense. That will make Books 7-9 easier to the read, maybe not easy. They get into some very heady ideas and concepts in these books.
I just finished book 9, and WOW, that ending.
Just finished the 9th book today. It was such a poignant ending. Loved it all the way. It's time to get Memory's Core, and the Dragon's Tooth graphic novels when they come out.
Is there any chance there will be an adaption of the final books to tv or movies any time soon? One reason I enjoyed the Expanse tv series so much is because I didn't know what would happen and if I read the books and they finish the series on tv I will not have that.
Unlike Altered Carbon series, Expanse book aren't present for borrow in my nearest library, unfortunately. I really hope they're worth buying
Its really ironic that if you think about it, books 7 to 9 are really the MAIN story of The Expanse. Everything that happened up to season 6/book 6 is almost prologue/setup. If I didn't know any better, I'd swear they tried to pull a Star Wars and make the later episodes, but then ended up having to write prequels first to fund it, and but then ended up getting stuck starting from the beginning of the prequels. I really want to see them make the next three seasons (or at least the next three books) because so much of what happens in The Expanse doesn't make sense without knowing what is really behind it all. The only thing I kind of fear is that so much of what happens in the books might end up being covered in exposition, because a lot of it is kind of hard to convey in action.
Wow, didn't know it was a book adaptation. So cool!
Thanks, will definitely start from the beginning
If you've got the time it's definitely best that way.
The final three books are like " Wow!"
Be warned...you might find it hard to put these books down.
I get, that for now they can't continue the story because of the 30 year time jump, but I think they could make a series in between book 6 and 7. There have to be lots of (little) stories to be told around the Rocinante's crew: visiting all the alien planets, solving conflicts between the different factions. It would be more episodic and less of a connected storyline but I think that could work.
Maybe an animated series if it's too expensive to make all the alien planets look good. I was a bit disappointed of Illus in Season 4, it didn't really look 'alien' enough except for the artefacts of course, but none of the animals or plants mentioned in the books. Laconia looked nice though.
I agree read the books it’s an incredible read and one of my all time favorite series both written and on screen.
It is not often that the narrator of the audiobooks has a ship named after him in the show. Yes, he was that good.
You should also read or listen to all the novellas as well. It may seem like a tall order... but it is SO worth it.
I actually got Book 7 £ 8 on Audible as they offered me another 30 day free trial, which included two freebies, so that's what I got. Only up to chapter 3 atm, but it's good! Looking forward to finishing the series!
In the middle of book 2 now. Thanks for that
Pete it would be cool if you did some deep dives into the books. Love the content and would love you breakdown’s. 🙏
I finished book nine this morning, Leviathan Falls, and it's a great wrap-up to the series, yet at the same time leaves a lot to be explored, should any of the authors want to do so. At least Alex gets a more fitting end in the books, I'm not sure why they killed him off at the end of the fifth series in the telly show, as it makes no sense at all. And my favorite character turns out to be a guiding force for humanity, which is pretty nice. It's hard to believe that it was over a decade that book one came out, a month before the fifth volume of the Ice and Fire novels, if I remember correctly. When I finished reading Leviathan Wakes back then, all I could think of was, where is this going next?!!?!?
About Alex, the actor who plays him got cancelled due to alleged sexual misconduct.
@@Testacabeza I think that might have killed any hope for a season 7 aswel
Imagine if they killed him off for no reason. Still not even sure I would care... I mean he's an actor, lots of them are narcissitic as fuck and completely different people from what we see anyway. It's entertainment.
@@CoffeeFiend1 unforutnately hsi behavior (corroborated now far past any doubt) was egregiously bad enough to pretty much force the hand of the writers/showrunner. It wouldnt make any sense at all to try and recast the role for one 6 episode arc. Can Anvar had a huge role involved in helping to get hold of Bezos and push the show continuing; it is truly sad/upsetting that a man who would have been hailed as a hero among the Screaming FIrehawks, is now far beyond mere Persona Non Grata; you might say that we are all trying to forget he ever existed. No one even wants to mention his name anymore. At least it wasnt as catastrophic as the Kevin Spacey/House of Cards disaster
Bobby can take his place
Really good breakdown. I've been trying to get a friend to read or watch the shows, I'm going to send this with hopes it works this time. 😁
When (not if 😋) The Expanse returns, do we see them doing a massive book accurate 30 year timeskip, or would this be altered for television for practical reasons?
It would be nice if they did a book accurate series on TE, but my guess is they'll continue in the same way. Such a shame, because I love book Alex.
Iirc Clarissa is checking her health in an autodoc in 6x6 and her life expectancy is shown to be about 5 years, and seeing as she is still alive 30 years later in the books, that might be a hint.
Can’t tell you how many times I felt like a book series had out lived it’s story. Not The Expanse - the last three books are fantastic. Normally that would satisfy me but - I would love three more seasons of the show. All the actors are wonderful and their characters for the most part had fitting endings.
The final trilogy confirms that Duarte was a really evil and mad person....
The real question needing answered is... Did Bobbie accept Amos' invitation?
awesome video! can you please do a video about what might happen in Memory´s Legion?
I’ve loved all you talks on the expanse but this is one I will not be watching. I don’t want even a hint about what is going to happen. I’m currently halfway through Nemesis Games, btw is turning out to be my favorite so far. The action and suspense is amazing. I am excited about reading the last three books without any expectations of what will happen. Don’t worry thou I will for sure come back and watch this vid as soon as I’m done reading the last trilogy. Thanks again for all your great content.
Please continue Expanse videos bc I’m going to miss the series.
That 3 decade gap could be easily be explored by bringing in younger characters outside of the Roci. The new characters would be from different parts of Sol and from the different colonies. And a tragic event forces them together. Maybe a terrorist attack on civilian transport that is damaged. And these characters are forced to work together to escape and we know nothing about how can they deal with the situation. And they later become instrumental in the rest of the books…